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gabbyrose1010

I don’t. *cracks fingers very loudly and painfully*


TheRealShoeThief

Dope same. *Painfully cracks wrists, goes back on medical leave*


AmazingGrace911

I use a voice recorder when my head is exploding with ideas. I can’t type that fast and I’ll forget things otherwise.


Lucaswarrior9

Are... are there actually people who write 10k a day?


HeisenHuell

I know, right? I thought I was doing well having written 50k in the last 5 *months*. I write just over 500 a day - on a good day. I can't fathom how anyone could possibly be bashing out 10,000 in a day. Insane.


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Omg I'm in the same boat! Sometimes I feel like I've written A LOT only to do a word count and see it's...700 words.10,000 in a day is either insane or legendary.


CuTTyFL4M

Yesterday I ended writing around 700-800 words as well but the first phrasing had me go reach a little under 1000. It really depends on how you proceed. I read a couple of times and reword entire segments because I repeat myself or bring no real value to what I describe, or completely miss what I was aiming for. It takes a while doing this but I'm satisfied with the result. I'd rather lose 300 words for the better than having half of a 1000 of them that are detrimental and exhausting to read.


DiploJ

I know! I prefer quality over volume.


anfait

I would take either! At this point I’m stuck with low quality and quantity


Lord_Sweeney

Yeah I do too but I find it far easier to revise something that already exists on a page than to fill a blank page. The last several months I've really made a change to my writing style and now allow myself to vomit trite and uninteresting sentences onto the page. Just as long as I get *something* down. Then later I go back and craft the good stuff from that raw material. I've written more pages in the last six months that way than I have in the last six years of waiting until it's "perfect" before putting it on the page.


goudatogo

Same here. Sometimes the reason I'm stuck on a scene is because it fundamentally doesn't work in some way. Writing it out helps me figure out why, and how to fix it. Edited because I was missing a word, whoops


ckochie_

Yo same! The other day I was at my computer for two hours writing while streaming. I was editing what I had previously written based on comments from my workshop, but all the editing was just rewording specific phrases and expanding on description/dialogue in certain scenes. At the end of the two hours I thought I had done a decent amount of work (was think about 500 since I was mainly editing/expanding rather than writing new stuff entirely) but it was only about 200. Daaaaaaamn but oh well, today I plan to continue on from what I have so hopefully I get more


Netroth

I used to do ~2100/day a few years ago, and now I consider a single page of ~350 to be a great effort.


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For real. Most I've ever done is 6k and that took the entire day. It used to wipe me out doing 4k words but now I can do that fairly "easily" (I hesitate to say that's it easy per se lol) relative to how much energy it used to sap. 10k words would kill me in a single day, let alone doing that consistently. I average 1-4k words a day, with it usually being closer to 2k.


Conscious_Payment_69

Same!


Unusual-Swimming2918

But you are doing well. It's not a contest. Be proud of what you've done.


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duckerybooks

10k *per hour???*


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External-Tiger-393

The guy who wrote the *Worm* web serial averages about 10k a day, though it's really 20k every 2 days with a day of rest in between. You can tell by his writing that it leads to a lot of very formulaic pacing and plot developments, even at his best. You can absolutely write that much in a day, though personally I find that 3k is my cap for a maximum amount of writing that I can do per day that doesn't lead to diminishing returns. Sometimes I'll do 5.5k or so if I get really caught up in something, but not *daily* at all.


trane7111

I find that it’s not that hard if I’m really into the specific part I’m writing and I have enough time in the day. If I’m jotting down notes and structuring a story, 10k words is 3-3.5 hours of writing. If I’m writing prose, 5 hours. Usually it’s pretty decent prose because of the amount of outlining I do. When I’m working and I try to cram it all into the morning before work, it’s rough trying to hit those goals. The few times I’ve taken a day off from work just to relax and write, I’ve found it easy to get that in. Usually, however, I get around 4K words in per day, working for about 1.5-2.5 hours


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riancb

It kind of makes sense when you think about it. Outline is like a 0th draft, and if they’ve already worked through the plotting and character beats, getting the actual prose down can’t be as much effort as trying to figure out prose while also worrying about plot.


emgriffiths

Insane people are. And the weird romance writers who sprint an entire novel in a week.


AngelLunair

I am one of those writers 😅 but there are times where i procrastinate too and take 5 months to finish a novel.


emgriffiths

I’ve heard of the sprinters. They’re legendary creatures who dwell on a story for months before putting it together in a week. I think the misconception people have is that there’s a right way to write. Everyone has a different approach, and finding what works for you is the most important thing.


temporary_bob

I recently read a biography of Douglas Adams and was shocked to read that's how he did it - he would procrastinate for months if not years and then at least one of his books, he ended up locked in a hotel room with his editor for 3 weeks and forced to write the entire thing. LOL! Not something to aspire to... but fascinating nonetheless.


riancb

I find this a little reassuring. Because this will definitely have to be my approach, as I am incredibly busy for most of the year, but I’ve got a sweet spot of a few weeks to really crank out some story.


AngelLunair

Curently wrote like 3 chapters today lol. Thats about 4k words if not more.


KimchiMaker

I did 6k earlier :) (2 chapters.)


AngelLunair

Niiiice


sandy_writes

Ummm.... Proud weird romance author here, with friends who do sprint. Sometimes I join them. ;-) I believe a novel is currently defined as 50K+ words. It's true there might be a few people out there who can do a novel in a week DICTATING, but there aren't many. There are certainly more authors dictating a novel in a month. And most of the ones you think ARE doing a novel a month (there are a couple of really big names!) are usually hiring ghost writers. Bite-sized romances are easy enough to dictate one a week. But the authors I know who do this spend another week editing, getting (or designing) a cover, and writing the blurbs, selecting strong keywords, etc., setting up the promo (usually minimal, because the best promo here is the next story.) They're also plotting that next story. So you need to be way more organized than I am, and you have to dictate a nice clean story--something I also cannot do, even after all these years.


emgriffiths

No hate to romance authors at all! I have a romance pen name and it was the single best thing that improved my writing. Steffanie Holmes has a technique call skeleton drafting that I tried, but it didn't work for me. Fastest I was able to do was 2 weeks writing, 1 week editing and I was burnt lmao. The end product wasn't great, either :( Always happy to see the weirdos that understand what t he market wants, and how to approach it.


sandy_writes

The best thing I did for my writing, and for my sanity, was to decide that writing makes me happy, and being commercial was secondary to my happiness. At 60, I don't want to chase the market anymore. That alone has improved the quality of my stories and relieved the pressure that was causing health issues for me. And I, too, used to plot out my stories to the minutiae, and no longer do that. I kept changing my plot while I was writing, so I do that skeleton plotting now and put flesh on that skeleton while I write. When I did that detailed plotting, I would get bored with the story before I was half-way into it. Skeleton plotting has returned the joy of discovering the story while still keeping the story that I wanted.


Ambitious-Web-8469

Yeah. Just write as you go and edit later on. Having an outline of what you want to write during that period also helps. And, I don't do it so often.


WritbyBR

There are, but not all writing is equal.


Kellan_OConnor

I can still hear my dad's final words, "Quality over quantity."


Stanklord500

Your first draft is going to be shit no matter how long you spend on it. It's *much* easier to take something that's bad and make it good than to make something good out of nothing at all.


Lunza_Schutzenhaus

Good ergonomics. Keep your wrists straight when you type. If you can’t then you need to adjust the height of your keyboard, chair and maybe the desk itself. Get a desk and a chair that are adjustable if necessary. Carpal tunnel syndrome is no joke. I used to work for a company that lost a lawsuit after some of its clerical workers developed carpal tunnel and they had to buy good equipment for the whole building and train us on how to avoid repetitive stress injuries, not just carpal tunnel. Another thing, if your wrists and hands start hurting, get elastic braces. They’re not very expensive and they’re effective.


UzukiCheverie

I *can* when I'm in the groove but it's just because I can type at about 136 wpm on average lol That being said, *everybody* usually ends up editing their work out by the time it's published so I think it's silly that people are reducing it to "quantity over quality". You can still write lots and have it be good, just like how you can write not so much and have it be crap. No matter how fast you type or how much content you're able to put out in a day, it's still gonna need editing because no one's first draft is their final.


dbkate

Romance writers easily churn out that much. With a formula, an outline and practice, it's not impossible.


Fun-Introduction-356

If you're typing around 90 words a minute it should only take around 2 hours to hit 10k. There are probably a lot of people on Reddit all day arguing writing 10k words a day online, just not in anything productive like writers writing.


sehnsuchtlich

> If you're typing around 90 words a minute With all due respect to Capote and Kerouac, typing is not writing.


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I once had a boss who measured programmer productivity in lines of code. Didn't stay at that job for too long.


MrFunnyMoustache

That's hilariously stupid, I bet people started inflating their code just to game that system, which reduced productivity.


KimchiMaker

Have you never heard someone tell a story on the fly? If you have, they were probably averaging well over 100 words a minute. And note, no one is saying this is a final draft. A lot of writers do multiple drafts, or seriously edit their quickly written version. Just because the first draft is done quickly, it doesn’t mean the final version will be bad. Unless you think Douglas Adams, Charles Dickens, Malcolm Bradbury and William Faulkner were all hacks.


Erevas

I doubt people can write a story without even slowing down typing.


KimchiMaker

They could if they outlined it first. Or if their imagination worked that way. People have been telling stories orally, on the fly, for thousands of years. Typing is slower than speaking, making it “even easier”.


nhaines

A career fiction writer has a standard writing speed between 800 and 1500 words an hour. That's finished, clean copy that requires no or very little revision. (Like all writing, it *will* require proofreading. That's just life.) I type between 90 and 110 words per minute. I average a pretty solid 1,000 words per hour. Have fun telling the story, cycle back every so often and keep writing. That's 16.7 words per minute. I had a workshop where an assignment was "how many productive words did you write on average over the last 5 years and divide that by your writing speed and calculate how much writing time you spent every day." Let me tell you, I did not care for the answer. But it was something I could easily improve upon. I think most aspiring writers would be well-served by doing the same now and again.


LydiaGuleva

Hi. Career romance writer here to say that there's no such thing as standard in anything creative. We're all different, and we need to do different things to be most productive. Some need a super clean first draft. Others need a super messy one that they can edit. Some do a super detailed outline ahead of time so they can draft it at 5k/hour. Others have to make it up as they go. There's no right or wrong way, only what's right for you.


nhaines

I'm not proscribing a specific workflow or anything. That'd be dumb. But the idea that 500 words a day is a herculean feat is... well, silly. But for people writing for fun, for themselves, then hey, it's 500 words they didn't have before, and that's great. There's nothing *wrong* with it. I'm a professional writer and I have 300 word days, occasionally. But professional writers need to be productive. Higher productivity isn't magic. It's mainly skill (which just comes from learning and practice) and time spent butt-in-chair actually writing. The point is, anyone who is struggling to reach 500 words and is unhappy about that should probably try some different methods and see if something makes them more productive *and* happier. (Although if they don't manage both, aim for "happier.")


LydiaGuleva

500/day would still get you 2-4 books/year. If you write very clean first drafts, editing shouldn't take long. It also doesn't mean that 500 words is all the person does. They might be editing, designing covers, running promos.


nhaines

Everything you said is absolutely correct, and if people were actually writing 500 words every single day and then doing all those other things, they'd be making money and would probably be a lot happier. No one should be discouraged if they can consistently hit an average 500 words a day. What I'm saying is that anyone who is astonished that more than that is even *possible* should look into alternate workflows, because it's not terribly difficult. If someone's stealing away 15 minutes a couple times throughout the day and coming up with 500 words a day, well... that's an achievement to be proud of. If someone's sitting down for 3 hours a night and averaging 200 words and hit 500 words once and can't imagine someone doing 2,000 words a day then... Study craft and change up the routine a bit and see if there's an improvement. They might end up writing more *and* having more fun. And at higher quality! Or, if they're happy, stick with what they're doing. "Comparison is the thief of joy."


SadSackofShitzu

My personal record is around 10k over two days. But that was after days (weeks) of thinking about it, and having nothing to do those days, and by that point I basically had it exactly in my head and just had to put it to paper. I also didn't write a substantial amount again for weeks afterwards. So... everyone is different, but I don't think that's a sustainable amount to write everyday.


KimchiMaker

Ok. Now imagine if you practiced and wrote every day for years, training to improve both your speed and quality of your writing. Do you think you could? I bet you could. Most high output writers have been working and training for years. I can type at 120 words a minute, but I produce fiction at “only” 40WPM. When I started I would be lucky to do 1,000 words and hour. Now I can do 3,000. Because I deliberately practiced and trained. I wrote and edited 6,000 very good words today. It took about 4 hours. (Lots of editing.) but it’s my job, and I’ve trained for a decade. I bet most people could do the same if they practiced as much as I have,


sehnsuchtlich

I write about 500 words a day. To anyone who thinks that's not very much, that's a 70k word novel in 5 months. Given a generous 7 months of editing and rewrites, that's a novel per year. Those are Stephen King numbers. The idea that you have to pump out huge numbers daily to be a writer is nonsense.


Lord_Mackeroth

I have written over 10k words in a day exactly once. But I was writing for like 15 hours, on a holiday where I had nothing better to do except sit around.


BerlinSean

10k a day - I wouldn't want to edit it - let alone have to read it.


Pugasaurus_Tex

There’s a reason they call it a first draft. It works for me, but I definitely have to go through several drafts until I polish the prose to my satisfaction


Spearmintify

No. OP is pretending there are so they can humble-brag about "only" writing 7-8k. And you know what? I don't believe OP at all that that's their "average." If they are writing that quickly, the final product will be dreadful. But it's more likely they're just lying.


KimchiMaker

Why do you think that’s their final product? What a stupid assumption to make. All we’ve learned is that you can’t write quickly… and so you assume no one else can? By that measure, no one can run 100m in 10 seconds. No one can run a marathon in under 6 hours. No one can eat two Big Macs in a single meal.


sacado

Some writers like to pretend they do that, yeah. Once you do the math, all of a sudden you discover this is pure bullshit. 10k per day is a novel a week. About 50 novels per year. I don't know any writer with that output.


DaMoonhorse96

Stephen King?


LightVelox

ReZERO's writer is known for being able to write like 15-20 pages in a single day


Stanklord500

that's about 5k words.


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I've written 5k in a day before. But that was one long multi-hour session without getting up until I was done. I can see someone doing 10k if they're determined enough.


AuthorWilliamCollins

I was about to say. 10k every single day is whoa.


brookenomicon

On my high productivity days, frequent stretching and compression gloves. In a general sense, I have an ergonomic setup to minimize pain and stress injuries with an ergonomic keyboard and adjustable desk.


BiteMeWithAStick

This. Also works for artists. And keeping up back, neck and shoulders exercise, to avoid being too tense, which worsens the pain and can also lower the mood and imagination a lot. Before I had fibromyalgia, using heating pads also did wonders. Nowadays I ask someone to exercise my wrist and fingertips and avoid huge temperature changes as best as I can. Going from cold to hot summer back to cold again is hell. I also can't write/draw for more than fifteen minutes per time, so I leave like an hour or two breaks between each activity.


readwriteread

For the people asking how so many words in a day are possible, I would point you towards Rachel Aaron's book [2k to 10k: Writing Faster, Writing Better, and Writing More of What You Love.](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/16080676-2-000-to-10-000) It's a converted, book version of her old blog post ["How I Went From Writing 2,000 Words a Day to 10,000 Words a Day"](http://thisblogisaploy.blogspot.com/2011/06/how-i-went-from-writing-2000-words-day.html) The TL;DR is basically "outlining." As an outliner, I have days where I write around 10k a day on the high end, though I'm usually more around 5k or so. These are only the days when I'm actually writing though, and come after my outlining process. Plus, I stop my previous writing sessions mid-sentence or mid-paragraph so it's easy to jump in and build on previous momentum. To OP's question, personally I'm interested in answers as well. Beyond yoga, wrist stretches, using a stress ball, and taking breaks, that's about all I've got to help avoid this. I also have an adjustable desk so sometimes the adjustments to my posture are helpful too.


Gold-Public4448

How long is your outline? How long does it take you to write an outline? How long does it take you to complete a draft? How long does it take you to go from first draft to finished draft? I'm working on my first novel, and my writing buddy pushes me to write, but my instinct tells me to work on my outline. I don't know when I'm going to get diminishing returns, and how in depth is worth it.


readwriteread

My outlines are like 10k-20k words, and contain things like my ideas for themes, scene ideas, character arcs, and some random ramblings. Then I break down what the major story beats in the acts are, and then I break that down further into what each chapter is going to be about (short one or two sentence summaries.) When i’m satisfied that I know the broad stokes of the story and the medium strokes of the chapters i get to writing. Outlining time varies. I get story ideas months before I start working on them usually, and chip away at them by taking down notes in my iphone whenever something occurs to me (theme character chapter scene etc.) But once i’m really committed I don’t think an outline takes longer than 2 weeks. Drafting takes less than a month at this point unless i’m particularly busy or stuck on something with my idea. First draft to finished draft is several months of redrafting. I finish a story, set it aside for days or weeks or months, then go through it again. Repeat tackling different things (story first, then characters, then dialogue etc. going more micro each time). I don’t seek out beta feedback or critiques until I genuinely think “this is ready!” (It never is) Your writing buddy might be right if you’re over-outlining. I am very far past my fear of blank pages, though the thing that stalls me now is research.


twolffwriting

I’m so amazed by this. When you write at the daily 8-10k word range, is that an all-day affair? Is it mostly high quality the next day? That’s a fantasy novel first draft every two weeks lol.


SteepDeepSleepWeep

I’ve done it… I don’t do it often, but yeah it’s usually an all day thing. Usually it isn’t one piece of work though. It’s mostly just a drafting… essentially to vomit ideas out onto a page so you can pick out the good parts. I seldom ever do it for one work either… like, I’ll do a chapter, a short story, a couple poems, and maybe screw around writing prosified versions of stuff on Reddit like TIFUs or AITAs.


Funex36

I might be asking for a bit much, but can you give me any examples? Let's say you are writing a dialogue scene. How does that go?


Spearmintify

Don't be. OP's probably just lying. You can see they're not replying to any of the comments in this thread, and that's likely because they have no explanation for how someone can write 7-8k words a day without ending up with the worst, most disposable piece of writing they've ever typed out.


Sylo_319

Eh I wouldn't say they're lying. If you write full time and across multiple works I could see this working. As far as quality go, no it probably isn't the best writing but if it gets the job done.


Atheose_Writing

5-10k a day is common in the romance industry. It’s easier when the plots are somewhat formulaic.


KimchiMaker

Just because you can’t do something doesn’t mean others can’t. I don’t yet do 10k a day, but I can write 6k-7.5k of good quality, edited words. It’s taken years of practice and training, but that’s true of many jobs. I fully believe YOU can’t do it. I think you’re being ignorant to project your lack of skills onto other people. I have no idea whether the OP can do it, but I take his question in good faith. An acquaintance of mine does 9k a day, day in day out. I have no doubt you would think her work is garbage, but she makes close to 4 million a year publishing her books, so the market disagrees. If you would like to write a lot, I suggest you undertake a regime to improve your skills. Practice for speed and quality. Find a system that works for you. Then train for a decade or two. It’s a skill, like any other, and like any other, it can be improved through deliberate practice.


Gold-Public4448

How many hours are you writing? How many words per minute can you type (max speed)? Do you do a first draft and then go back and edit it, or is your first draft quality? How many years have you been writing? I can pretty consistantly write 500 words in 20 minutes, so it does seem conceivable that you could write that fast, but I only write 20 minutes a day. I feel like I don't have hundreds of thousands of words of content.


KimchiMaker

My (new!) process has had me slow down actually. I write in 1 chapter sprints. That is about 2k-3k. While writing now, I go back and fix minor things and reword stuff during my “thinking pauses”. A lot of people say to keep going and never edit, which is what I used to do, but I hated how rough the words ended up being. So I write a chapter straight through, fixing little things as I go along. That takes about 60-90 minutes. I then run spelling/grammar checks. I then do my second chapter. Then I take a lunch break. After that, I export these chapters to an epub and read through them in the Books app on my iPad-this is a proofread, but I also tend to find a few more things to slightly improve. This takes 30-45 minutes. I then submit these chapters to my client (in a shared Google Docs doc) and my day’s client writing is done. So this is 3-4 hours to produce 4-6k. I work from an outline. My old method was to write in 20-25 minute sprints of 1,000-1,200 words. I’d do about 6-8 of these, not editing as I went. Then I’d edit after. I recently realized this produced worse prose and took longer to edit. It was also more stressful and less enjoyable. I like doing my 1 chapter sprints a lot more! My max typing speed is about 120WPM. But during a writing sprint, with thinking pauses etc. it would average to about 50WPM. On bad days when I wasn’t feeling great it could fall to 30-40WPM. I suspect I could double this output if I had to by doing 1 more chapter in the early morning, and 1 more chapter in the afternoon or evening. I have other work I do though - I’m a proofreader for several NYT bestselling authors. So I tend to do proofreading for clients or work on my own stuff in the other parts of the working day. The most (edited and submitted to a client) words I’ve written in a day was about 17.5k and that SUCKED. And I’ve done about 32k over 3 days, which also sucked. My current 2 chapters a day is a much more enjoyable process. I’ve been writing fiction for about 9 years. I was a HUGE reader when I was younger which helped, and I also used to play a text based role playing game for about 5 years which helped with speed of output hugely too.


Arcadian1

OP absolutely replied to comments in this thread. Not sure why you'd jump to such conclusions.


Berabouman

I'm not bragging, this is indeed my speed. I know others who are even faster. My intention is to complete the draft at least by the first week and yes, I do work with an outline.


Fubai97b

Not trying to be flippant, but at that point why aren't you using one of the voice to text softwares? Dragon Naturally is fricking awesome. Dictation is even included in Windows now.


KimchiMaker

I’ve written about 6 books via dictation, but around 35 by typing. It’s weird, but I find it quite stressful to dictate. I wrote a few books sitting on the beach talking into a recorder, but I always struggle to keep it up on a consistent basis. Overall my productivity is much higher when I go and write in the library via typing instead of trying to dictate. And dictated stuff needs so much more editing, even if it is transcribed accurately. My writing simply needs a lot more reworking and fixing when I dictate. It really is great for some people though.


Berabouman

I tried it. It's not accurate enough for me.


dbkate

The worst is names. Ugh.


AuthorKEMott

I've had success substituting my characters' real names for common names (e.g. Larry for Legolas), then find-replacing them.


Arcadian1

I have the same issue.


SparklyMonster

I'm surprised this is so low. Whenever I've seen a similar post in the past, dictation was always the low-hanging fruit. I was convinced no one wrote 5k+ a day without dictating.


[deleted]

Interesting lol. I've had a few 5k days and one 6k day and I've never dictated.


SparklyMonster

I guess that dictation is for those who aim to write 5k+ every day. Or maybe typing that much just inevitably leads to wrist pain, so dictation becomes the long term solution.


bluesam3

Because voice-to-text is many times slower than typing.


Wildbow

I don't write 10k/day, but I'll write 9-15k in day-long sessions twice a week. If your hands are hurting you should investigate your writing posture (hand and body) and ergonomics. I think it's also important to work natural breaks into the routine. I make getting up to refill my water/iced tea a part of that. When I have a dog or am dogsitting, the dog needing out is another hyperfocus-breaker. It's also important to make use of time you'd otherwise be wasting - if you hit a point where you need to stop and think through a part of the writing you're not sure about, make that time you go for a walk to run a quick corner-store errand, shower, walk a dog, or make a meal. You can think through that snarl while moving your body and doing something else with your hands. It's also good to change environments. I'll sometimes move from sitting at my desk to my couch, laptop in my lap, or my bed, and that changes the angle & routine somewhat. If it's actively hurting, you really need to change your approach instead of pushing through. Continuing to go forward through the pain is '*promising young athlete plays on an injured leg and fucks themselves up for life, terminating their career*' stupid.


StrickenForCause

First, source: I write at 150 wpm (250+ wpm if counting shorthand translations) over a 16-hour workday in emergency situations, otherwise usually just 4 hours of writing per day. (Court reporter using a QWERTY system, so it's truly regular typing as far as the motions, as opposed to the chorded plonking steno machinists use). Secondly, advice: You shouldn't be having any pain if you've got the right ergonomic setup and you don't have any preexisting condition. The fundamental principle you must follow is to not have a dip or arch in your wrist, so that you are not cutting off the power from your larger back/trap muscles. Your fingers should be light, as if your arms and hands were resting by your sides and you were just wiggling your fingers. In fact, take a look at your arms and hands and wrist when they're resting by your side, and that's the sort of shape you want when you bring them up to the keys. Practice bringing your arms to the keyboard without losing that shape. Also, modify your keyboard. Use a mechanical keyboard and get the lightest springs or switches you can find. For my taste, even the lightest switches on the market are not light enough. I take a Gateron Clear housing and put in 10cN springs. 10cN is lower than most people can tolerate, but I find it's essential for avoiding fatigue. If you need silent keys, add a stem from Durock silent linears to the housing. Also, make sure your monitor is placed within your natural line of sight. It could be that tension in your neck is causing problems elsewhere. Consider incorporating some shorthand. You can go full force and starting learning traditional chorded stenography with Plover, or you can start building up an autocorrect dictionary in Word or AHK. 75% of the words used are the same every time you write. They just come in different orders and glue together the other 25%. Think about what those phrases or words might be, and as you see them coming up, "brief" them. For example, ofc = office, pofc = post office, dofc = doctor's office. Or to make the layout even more comfortable for your hands, ofs = office, pofs = post office, dofs = doctor's office (if you're on QWERTY). dy = do you, ddy = did you, dh = does he, ddh = did he, etc. How will you write the tiny words like "the," "of," "for," and "this"? How will you group them together? I use e, v, f, and ts. fts = for this. Feel free to visit the serial steno channel on the Plover Discord server to get into that more.


StrickenForCause

Also, make sure you're able to move your arms freely (use larger back/trap muscles) to get your hands around the board. You'll make minute changes to the angle and placement of your hands based on what you're reaching for. This will help keep your hand relaxed. And don't hold tension in your fingers if you do have to stretch for something; release it right away. (The reason I'm able to write ergonomically, fwiw, is because I spent 20+ years studying how to play cello ergonomically and then applied what I learned to writing. I learned back then that even a small problem like how you use your pinkie can result in huge issues like tennis elbow. I noticed strain like that the next day and changed my playing asap, so I was never injured.)


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I use a lap desk that hits my arms and wrists just right. If I hurt, i stop, and go do something else that doesn't involve hands. Walking is good--writes often struggle to get enough healthy exercise anyway. Ice, heat might help. Turn on a nature show, ice and heat in 10 minute rotations, just sit and zone out for 20-30 minutes. Then try again.


jamieleigh22

I play piano so I'm kind of used to it. Though, my main game changer was getting a wrist rest and a propped keyboard. Also, as others suggested, take regular breaks - maybe 5 minutes for every half hour. I wouldn't advise clicking your fingers because that makes mine worse. I tend to do gentle stretches, and when I was playing piano I found that squeezing a stress ball really helps for cramps :)


dbordes

I usually top out at 6k on very productive days before mental fatigue reduces my work quality. I've actually stopped playing twitchy/micro demanding video games to preserve my hands. My day job is also purely legal motion writing. The best thing to ideally do is rest your hands. Extended strain is what leads to permanent injuries. I encourage you to pace yourself and write less per day if it's hurting you. Invest in a good wrist rest. Make sure your chair is the appropriate height so your arms are level with the keyboard and mouse. You don't want to become reliant on tiger balm, ice packs, or pain meds. You'll soon find yourself no longer writing.


abeautifulday365

Think about the muscles that move your fingers. They’re in your forearms. With overuse, the muscles get tight and the tendons swell, causing there to be less room where the tendons pass through the carpal tunnel. This leads to pain in the wrist and hands. If you regularly massage your forearms (press and hold particularly painful spots) it will go a long way toward keeping your hands free of pain. I’m a writer and an LMT, and make a habit of doing this.


ResurgentOcelot

I’ve struggled and seen a doctor about it and was proscribed physical therapy, rest, and pain relievers. The more frequently you do therapy the shorter the break required and the less long term damage you’ll endure. Pain relievers can help reduce spasms and shorten symptoms, but if you mask symptoms without adequate care you can cause further injury. Check with a doctor for a more up-to-date, authoritative take on this.


Busy-Feeling-1413

I worked with an occupational therapist and a physical therapist. They recommended a keyboard tray that tilts downward away from me, plus showed me what level my chair should be at. That helped some. Special PT exercises helped a lot more. I also found out that I was sleeping with arms curled up, and bent elbows and wrists at night were making things worse during the day. Finally, used Penetrex nerve cream to temporarily help with pain. Number one best thing I did was to see a physical therapist. Hope you feel better soon!


clchickauthor

10K in a day! Holy crap. My record is just over 8K in a day—and that only happened once! I consider 1,500 words a good writing day, and 3,000 a very good day. That’s also when my hands start hurting. By 5K, I’m usually hurting quite a bit and often need to stop. The one 8K day was very painful, but I was on such a roll that I dealt with it.


NotASlaveToHelvetica

I saw a pretty huge difference once I moved away from a flat, laptop/apple type keyboard and back to an old school mechanical or similar model.


dudeskeeroo

This is the way. If you are writing, INVEST IN A MECHANICAL KEYBOARD. They cost a bit more but the action is beautiful and reduces errors and fatigue. I used to buy expensive Logitech keyboards and would end up with tired hands and lots of typos due to keys depressing at different rates or jamming. Then they'd wear out after 12-18 months. I've had my mechanical keyboard for eight years now and it's still going strong. If it was stolen one night I would break the shop window to replace it before the sun came up. E: they are also easily repairable. If one of the buttons stops working, you can easily and cheaply change out the switch. But after right years I still haven't had any problems.


syfari

10k a day??


FireflyKaylee

https://youtu.be/tSD35Q15rm8 I don't write nearly that amount, but this genuinely helps me loads with wrist/forearm/finger pain. Honestly for a 10 min thing it's so worth it! ETA: It's a yoga video specifically focusing on wrists and fingers.


Ping-and-Pong

People have the time and creative will power to do 10k words a day?! How's anyone doing more than 500? 😱


nhaines

I do 1000 words an hour. If you're writing fiction, you just sit down and have fun telling a story. It's easy and your subconscious is a better writer than you are. I literally tried "writing into the dark" almost more to prove the technique wrong (or wrong for me), and then handed a couple short stories to friends who enjoy what I wrote and got compliments on how good I am at writing stories now. Well, I'd only changed one thing in the two months before the last story. Anyway, writing's more fun and less stressful now, and the more fun I have writing, the more readers seem to enjoy the stories. (And naturally I'm also continuously reading other books and studying craft. And practicing--but practicing means writing another story.)


Untamed-Supernova

10k words a day? How ? My best day was around 2k words...and an average day for me is maybe 700 words.


KimchiMaker

Practice 6 hours a day for 10 years and I bet you’ll get faster :)


YouAreMyLuckyStar2

I've used boxer's liniment for my hands, on the few occasions I've typed so much it's hurt my hands. Otherwise it's like every physically demanding task. Find the equipment that suits you best to reduce injuries and improve performance. Order a bunch of keyboards, try em' out, and return the ones you don't like. I would never do this, I'm much too lazy, but you could try a DVORAK keyboard. They're supposedly much better for typing once you've learned how to use them.


AnotherNobody1308

I hand write my stuff(it's easier for me to brainstorm that way), narrate it to the computer, then do some of the grammar corrections and editing


SteepDeepSleepWeep

I don’t do it often… but when I binge write, I usually write on a tablet or a phone. Yeah it’s slower, but my thoughts are far slower than my fingers… so it’s not a huge difference in productivity. I also break it up into chunks… one chapter, then take a nap. Another chapter, then eat lunch. Third chapter… get sick of writing… eat dinner and sleep.


sapidus3

Compression gloves do wonders for my fingers. Tighter is better. I like the ones with longer fingers to cover the joints and have a few that go over the elbow as well that are nice. Wish they were better made though. Tend not to last too long.


readwritelikeawriter

I use the wrist braces at night. But, if I need it, I'll put on the braces during the day after writing. I don't know how I would type using them. The idea is that if you immobilize the wrist, it gives optimal positioning for circulation and healing. Of course, this is even at my 2,000 per day average rate. 8,000 is a dream.


LydiaGuleva

I type with them when I have to, but it's so much slower 😢


fixedfree

Dvorak keyboard layout plus Kinesis ergonomic keyboard.


dudeskeeroo

Dvorak is a great layout but it was hampered by my muscle memory for cut and paste (ctl-c, ctl-v etc.) There's the Colemak layout that is very similar to Dvorak except the Z, X, C, V and B keys are not moved, making the most common keyboard shortcuts easily accessible.


sunlabyrinth

As a writer/artist who has spent the last decade doing a lot of keyboard, mouse, and tablet work... Changing up tasks helps. If you have some other hobby, take a break between sprints to do something else. Marketing, if you're an indie writer. Research breaks. Get an ergonomic mouse or pen tablet. The mouse is the worst device for repetitive stress in my experience. Once I eliminated the mouse entirely I had fewer problems with the keyboard. Even touchpads involve a lot of dragging motions which can be aggravating.


dudeskeeroo

Also getting a keyboard that doesn't have a numpad helps. This means the mouse is several inches closer to you so the ergonomics are greatly improved when you do reach for it.


Vackal

Stretch before and after typing. If you ever stop to think, even just for a moment, stretch a little. It doesn't have to be anything big, but I personally pretend to rev-up a motorcycle to stretch out my wrists when I'm thinking. You can also try investing in some good gloves to wear during the night for things like carpal tunnel, which reduces wrist and finger pain throughout the day. You can even wear them while typing if it doesn't bother you too much. If none of those work, you can try investing in things to reduce how much you use your hands throughout the day. If you cook for yourself, you could try buying a stand mixer to reduce how much your stir, especially if you bake. If you draw, try lifting your pointer finger to reduce how much pressure you put on your hands. As another redditor suggested, you could also try using text-to-speech to reduce how much you type.


o1011o

If you type a lot I strongly recommend you get an ergonomic keyboard like a Dactyl Manuform or a Kinesis Advantage or anything else with cupped key wells and switch to an intelligently designed key map like Colemak. It's not an easy transition but I've done it and it was very worth it. I write code and journal and I'm writing a few books, and while my books don't show anywhere near 10k words a day my total amount of typing is probably in that range. It's not common knowledge but qwerty keyboards were not designed to be comfortable or healthy for human hands, they were designed around the mechanical requirements of old typewriters and common keys were placed to be hard to get to (and therefore slower to reach) to avoid jamming the machine. The keyboards and layout I mentioned are designed first and foremost to reduce strain and improve comfort, efficiency, and speed. If you can stomach having your typing speed reduced to a dreadful slog while you learn the new layout I'm sure you'll find it worth the time.


that_one_wierd_guy

maybe look into dictation software?


Kind-Algae-413

I started using speech to text there's some months, was life changing; no more wrist pain.


Ty_5098

I have super bad pain in my fingers, wrist, and elbow. I don't like taking breaks because I have so much to write and a there's a few things I find that help. I would recommend working out whichever hand that hurts. It'll strengthen the joints and what not to lessen the pain in the future. I use grip strengtheners while I write, but you can also use like a tennis ball or something. You could try using a brace, I have one for my elbow and wrist. They're a bit uncomfortable, but they help. There's also rub on icy hot stuff that will completely take the pain away. But personally I don't like to use it all the time because I don't think you should be numb to what's wrong with your body. Lately I've been trying to work on things like my writing posture to decrease the stress I put on my bones lol but I'm not writing 10k a day. Maybe 5 to 6 on average and maybe 9 on my best days, but never 10k. Anyways hope this helps. I need to see a doctor about it soon lol, so maybe you can avoid that.


aomukai

Dictation. Takes some getting used to, but once you get it down, it's great. Dragon does an awesome job transcribing. Maybe try recording on your phone, then play it to your PC with Google Docs voice recognition active, to see if it's for you. That's a free way to test it.


nmacaroni

10k a day! lol As soon as I hit 2000--if I hit 2000 for the day--FREEEEEDOOOMMM!!! Write on, write often!


Berabouman

For the record, to address the comments : a) I went to sleep after making this post which is why I didn't reply. b) Word counts and quality differ, I'm not here to argue about it. I'm on a few FB groups in which I've seen people write 10k a day and more - and make bank. c) Advice about keyboards is great, thanks. I will look into that and arm rests. For now I'll just rest my hands lol. I type a lot each day due to more than one field of work (writing is not my only gig) I wish you all the best in your endeavors.


KimchiMaker

I use a Perrixx ergonomic keyboard which helps a lot. The first couple of days I struggled with hitting the right keys though haha. And hot yoga classes are helping me a TON. If there are any in your area I recommended them! Good for shoulder and back pain, too. What are some FB Groups with highly prolific authors? I know 20Booksto50k - any others?


Aspiring_Righter22q1

Advil.


Hydraulicat

My main suggestions are improving overall blood circulation (exercise, hydrate, frequent stretch breaks) and using a hand/wrist brace to improve posture and to allow recovery of your muscles if they're strained. I also realized I was sleeping on my shoulder weirdly at night which was causing overall arm pain and increased fatigue.


NeedANewUsername24

You’d be lucky to find someone on here who writes 10 words a month


ImmaGoodWitch

Can you try dictation with speech-to-text? That might help give you a break when the pain gets too much.


AtTheEndOfMyTrope

Dictation. 5k per hour. We speak faster than we type.


OrionWingSouth

How do you write so many? I get 300 tops.


BenCelotil

I don't get pain, and this isn't some variation on /r/iamverysmart or I'm somehow special. My parents bought their first computer, a Vic-20 when I was about 4 years old, and traded it in for a C-64 about 6 months later. I've always had access to a computer for more than 40 years, so my hands are pretty used to whacking away at the keys for hours at a time. That's not to say I don't take breaks. Every couple of hours I'll get up and have a little stroll around, playing with ideas in my head, grab a snack of cheese or mussels or refill my drink of choice for the hour. I used to smoke, so I'd take a break anywhere from every 30 minutes to an hour, but I quit that in late 2017. Don't force it. People might laugh at this but you could do yourself a more serious, long-term injury that takes a lot longer than a few hours to recover from. If your hands need a break, they need a break. If you're worried about your work time, don't. Just look at authors like George RR Martin vs. Stephen King. :) Each one is different in their output and each one is still pretty successful. --- ^(And just a little humble-brag, on a good day I do 12k words.)


SmoothRunVE

Either lying, trolling, or it is 10k of pure garbage. Can we get a Lying/ Trolling/ Garbage poll going. What do y'all think?


KimchiMaker

I think you’re an idiot. Just because you can’t do something doesn’t mean others can’t. Writing 1000 words an hour is pretty achievable for most people. There are about 16 waking hours in a day. Spending 10 hours is hardly an impossibility.


HarleeWrites

I'm never not impressed when I hear about word counts like these. I may do 1k words on a good day. I know many people do vomit drafts that allow the speed with greater effort spent later editing as a consequence, but it's pretty hard to let loose like that.


EelKat

I have a pair of wrist braces my doctor prescribed me. They are different from what you get over the counter, and have corest like metal boning in the sides. I also do finger warm up exercises the same like piano players do. And I take breaks often. Every 45 minutes I take a 15 minute break and every 4 hours I take a 2 hour break. Plus I had professional secretary training via college for that and they teach you the correct way to hold your back, arms, wrists, and hands so that you don't strain your muscles. That said, I've still had to have surgery on my hands multiple times due to carple tunnel syndrome. Each time required a 12 week recovery period of not using my hands at all. I soak my hands to my elbows on 68f water before and after typing as well.


EelKat

Also, not sure if it matters or not but, I also have (actual doctor medical diagnosis) kanner syndrome (actual autism, not to be confusedwith autism spectrum disorders), obsessive compulsive disorder, agoraphobia, and post traumatic stress disorder. (PTSD has ADHD like symptoms and many who have PTSD are often first misdiagnosed as having ADHD). The combination of which is I have a very bad habit of I start typing and get stuck in this extreme hyper focused mode and can't stop typing. It is very bad. In 2001, I had an episode where I started typing and didn't stop for 5 days. That means 120 hours straight of no sleep, not eating, nothing. Didn't move. I also had no idea 5 days had passed. I only stopped typing because I passed out from dehydration. Why did it happen? I have no idea. I was highly stressed out at the time due to family issues, going on. My mother was in a huge court battle with some church group and one of the lawyers had summoned me to testify. I started typing to calm myself down and next thing I knew I was in the hospital on an IV a week later. That's what PTSD triggers do to me. When I am calm and relaxed, my word counts are much lower, and not daily. I average 5k words most days and usually don't type on weekends. When I am stressed however, hyper typing sets in and I type upwards of 20k a day, but am also completely shut down mentally, totally oblivious to anything going on around me. I have a unintentional psychological habit of mentally shutting out the world around me and locking my full focus on a world that I built decades ago. I built that world in early childhood to have a place to mentally escape from the 3 violent and sexually abusive drug dealing uncles who raised me. By the time I was 8 years old I'd had more injuries and broken bones than the average person has in their entire lifetime. I wasn't allowed to go to school or learn to read or write or do math because I was female. They also didn't believe in doctors or vaccinations. And I wasn't allowed outside. We had no electricity or running water. Lived in an offgrid compound in the forest. So, no people in the neighborhood to notice the adults never allowed the female children outside. My grandmother bought me lots of Lisa Frank notebooks and I drew the world I wanted to live in, in those notebooks. I would daydream of living there. And me having no friends , no concept of what friends even were, developed no social skills on any level whatsoever. I just drew hundreds of pictures of what it might be like to go outside like the men were allowed to do. I spent ten years doing nothing but building and daydreaming about that world. 24 hours a day, stopping only to sleep. I had no concept at all of things like schools, so I never had a point where I was aware or realized that I should have been in school. Today all the stories I write are set in that world. And doctors call my writing habit "learned atypical schizophrenia", which how they explained it was, I don't actually have schizophrenia, but to the untrained eye it looks like I do. They said all 3 of my uncles had schizophrenia and because I was never allowed outside, I never learned what normal people act like. I write on every thing. If you've seen my cars or my motorhome, you they have quotes painted all over them. And if you ever heard of Maine's crazy author who has 144 giant billboard signs in her yard that she repaints every few weeks with new words on them... hello, that would be me. The signs in my yard, the pink motorhome, and the painted Volvo are all easy enough to Google pictures of if you want to see them. The point is, I can't stop writing even if I wanted to and doctors have yet to find any medication that helps me to stop writing on everything and anything long enough to do anything else. So my huge word counts and not I something I do intentionally and doctors have been several decades trying to find a way to help me to be able to stop writing long enough to be able to get 8 hours of sleep a night. There is actually medical psychological reasons behind my obsessive writing habits and my huge daily word counts. There is that to consider. According to doctors, my endless writing, is a nervous tic, that I do whenever I'm stressed and because I have post traumatic stress disorder, I'm easily stressed and stressed often. And because of my obsessive compulsive disorder, once I start writing I'm compelled to keep going and can't stop no matter how much I try. Do not look at my high word counts as something to strive for because there was a lot of emotional, physical, sexual, and psychological abuse behind why I do it.


Top-Helicopter3930

Have you read or edited your own work afterwords or do you just write?


FireflyKaylee

Didn't want to read and run. Just wanted to send virtual hug (or whatever you would find comforting if touch is a trigger). I'm really sorry you've had to go through all of that and really sorry that the effects linger on and on.


asokola

Very kind of you, but Eelkat appears to be a pathological liar. Check out another post just from yesterday. It all strains the bounds of believability https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/uvs0nd/wanting_to_stay_positive_and_passionate_about/i9nrrm7?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


IndigoTrailsToo

What ergonomic options have you tried?


Healthy_Research9183

You need to do natural physical exercise. Find videos on improving wrist strength and check out The Boneer on you tube. Also, heat and massage and stretching. I had carpal tunnel about 2 years ago and it's gone now.


Ambitious-Web-8469

When I feel my fingers hurting, I just stop and continue after a few minutes. I really don't like to write at a stretch, writing at intervals is preferable. Maybe, an hour or so.


MuggleMari

I'd look into a good mechanical keyboard. There are tons of customizable ones where you can adjust key cap profiles and what type of switches you want under them. Just be careful because once you've entered the world of custom keyboards it's easy to get addicted 😁


Scandico

I write a lot. Maybe not 10k words a day. Probably far from it. Pain in finger/ wrist isnt my issue. My issue is I tend to break one keyboard every year from typing to much on my laptop.


Heromanv1

I have a painkiller addiction due to other IRL issues. So I learn to give myself reading breaks if I type for very long. My body needs time to heal and I'm not wolverine, so I tend to read a lot outside with my dog.


jennpe

On the rare occasion I've hit the mark, it's been with voice-to-text. Then you only need to correct a little bit what's there on your first draft.


ptzinski

I rubbed aspercreme into my hands before I would do that much writing, give it a bit to set in and dry, and then get to work. It helped whether I was going to be handwriting or typing that much. I don't know if it'll do the trick for it EVERY day, but it helps. But like any good act of long term exertion, stretch a little beforehand and afterward. Look up some stretches, like you would if you were a runner, and help your hands out that way, so that come the next time, they're starting from the best place possible


Koi_Pond_With_ducks

So, I write a lot of books in a day not full on chapter books but fantasy novels for my family and friends. But I do write at least 10k words in a day if not more! On a day to day bases the more I write the more used to it I get but I do occasionally have bad wrist issues, when this started Happening the first thing I looked into was drawing gloves because my thinking was if it helps with calluses it could also help with cushioning my wrist while I’m writing, and surprisingly it actually works! Another thing that helps is good old fashion taking a break and starting up again in 30 minutes or so. I’ve also noticed that changing up your work space depending on if your working/writing at home works wonders 😅


LydiaGuleva

I just started dictating more because of this. But when I do get pain, I use kattlebells. For me, 20lb is perfect (you can totally use a lighter one) for swings where I drop the kattlebell midair and catch it with the other hand. The motion is great for your wrists and your back. I can't recommend this excercise enough. Seriously, it fixed me in days and keeps the pain away for a total of 5 minutes of excercise a day. In addition, I have wrist braces that practically immobilized my wrists, preventing injuries. Of course, a good chair (I got a gaming chair for writing) and an ergonomic set up for your keyboard.)


ItsWoodsLOL

It depends on the person obviously. I used to write around 10k in a day once in a while (not every day) and my fingers wouldn't start hurting until like the 7k mark. My fingers are just used to bashing a keyboard because when I'm not writing I'm gaming. Also it would depend on your wpm count.


TrimkipT

There's a sort of fatigue for sure, but I've never had any hand pain with long typing sessions, though if I ever decide to try typing for *literally* an entire day, that would probably change. Small things like giving yourself breaks, doing hand excercises, and maintaining at least acceptable posture should be good enough for keeping pain away.


stormwaterwitch

I had 5 k on a good day once when my son managed to take a good nap. As for advice: you need to take more breaks and practice some wrist and hand stretching exercises. Pomodoro method works well for this.


RigasTelRuun

You protect you wrists. Wrist brace. Good posture regular breaks.


scribblermendez

I've done 10k for a few weeks/months in the past. Here's some advice. Advil/another over the counter anti-inflammatory medicine. (NOTE: I'm not a doctor.) Use a standing desk, with hands at a good angle. Couple this with an ergonomic keyboard/ergonomic mouse. Use over-the-counter hand braces for carpal tunnel, to keep the wrists at a good angle. I had to stop typing that much, though, because writing that much wore out my hands. I still suffer weak hands/tendons/fingers/elbows years later as a result. These days I use text-to-speech software.


Vivi_Pallas

Bruh. I am not physically able to write that much. Even if all I did that day was write. The most I could probably pump out on a day where I did nothing but write is about 5K. Comfortably, I can write 500-1,000 words a day. Depends upon what I'm writing. Some days, i write 200 words and that's all I can do because I just don't have ideas or because it's a super technical 200 words that took like an hour(s) to write.


No-Pineapple-465

Back to the original question:. I use Mountain Ice gel ( you can get it on Amazon). If the pain is more, I also have compression gloves. For me, heat helps. Other people have said that cold is better.


DiesAtra

You're already overdoing it, I think. Almost no one writes that much. Those that do are authors full-time. While in HS, I managed to get to around 5Ka day, but now? With work and stuff? Not a damn chance. 2K or so, sometimes more if I'm feeling inspired, sometimes less if it's a slog.


shit-over-it

I use speech to text (Dragon Nuance) for all my first drafts. I walk outside or lie on my couch and write, managing about 2K an hour.


Oh-Oh-Ophelia

Hand stretches and wrist braces.


I_Want_BetterGacha

People write that much daily? I only write 2K, and that's on a *very* good and *very* rare day, and it also depends on the story.


Hashtagspooky

Get a wrist pad for your keyboard and mouse. If the pain is REALLY bad, I'd suggest getting a vertical keyboard and mouse. Hope this helps!


Mercerskye

If I'm aiming for 'big boi' numbers, I swap between typing (I avg about 150wpm), and when I start jamming up (which happens more frequently now), I switch to dictation (Dragon Naturally). I'm not going to knock anyone that goes ham on trying to get words on paper, but in the end, I prefer a more measured pace. Most people doing 10k+ a day are doing it one day writing, one day off (usually editing). I'd rather just slow down and do 1-5k that's not going to need as much editing afterwards, *every* day. But, mental issues gets in the way of *that* goal... So, yeah, I flip flop. Manic 10k+ days, anxiety/depression/ADHD riddled periods where I *might* get 10k in a week. Silly thing to worry about, though. Write at the speed you need to be comfortable.


-Eliot-Rosewater-

oh boy oh boy oh boy use scrivener and it’s dictation tools! Worry about editing later just get the words on a page!! You’ll understand what you were trying to write when you go back to edit after simply speaking to the void ! It’s healthier on your hands and wrists . God I wish I had the time (and money because time is money) to write ALL THE TIME . The stories I would tell my guy..


lazyalam

You prevent it from happening, and deal with it like a medical issue, not a "comes with the territory thing". Pain is not normal, and RSI's are very serious. I don't know why this thread has people completely chill about it. Its going to get worse until your hands shaking constantly. If it inflames enough you can entirely **lose** your motor function, as in can't move your fingers. First: You get an appointment, and go to a doctor, you have an RSI. They'll refer you to a physio/occupational therapist who can assess the damage that's been done. They'll either massage the inflamation, give you a cream, or recommend surgery. Two: They're going to tell you to wear a supportive brace. You do that, while driving, while typing, anything repetitive. Its going to burn. That's good. Three: You fix your ergonomics, and behaviour that caused this in the first place (not taking breaks is a big one). Get different input devices, use different keyboard layouts (DVORAK is much better for RSI issues). Sit properly in your chair. Whatever you do, ignore half the replies here and actually deal with it before you regret it. Which you will, my personal promise.


astarduster

I purchased a wrist brace off of Amazon to help with supporting my hand as I wrote. I also average 10k in my writing sessions and I understand the pain.


Olivebuddiesforlife

Accept I can’t type in my 30s. 🥲 Carpel Tunnel ftw


simonmagus616

Smh I was glad to have a 6k day today.


woo50

Ergonomic wireless keyboard


Samael_RDN

Thats wild I've never seen someone write so much a day but the pain depending on some factors I'll express can be different methods of healing. Ages 35-50 generally female (although the same for men its just they typically have it less) Ask a doctor for an arthritis check take recommended medication and exercises. Ages 16-99 non-athletic worker Exercises (during = every 20min - 1.5hrs) 1) take your hand palm face down rotate clockwise and counter clockwise 5-10x before during and after each session. 2) hand clam/gorilla gripper. 5-10 squeezes before during and after. Both right and left. 3) take a medium book and place your finger tips under lift 3-5 times, slowly letting your hands back onto the table. Before and after 4) just resting during pain building. 5) open and close hand into a fist shape. Stress toys help for things like this but they are basically the gorilla grip device and its better without than with. Ages 16-99 very active worker 1) Soak in slightly warmer + Epsom salt (regular table salt works too tbh) 2) pain medicine, taken before the activities to give time to take effect. 3) constantly resting and massaging wrist, palm in between the thumb and pointer fingers making sure to go over the pad of the thumb, and palm itself in a circular motion starting from the inside to out to back in 4) Warm compress wraps, if not available, a old towel cut into ribbons and soaked in warm water. Hotter than room temp definitely colder than boiling. Roughly 65-80° having them on for no longer than an hour at a time. 5) cold compress wraps, if not a available, a old towel cut into ribbons soaked in cold water or warm water in the fridge for a few hours.


GarlicFewd

Is that even fucking possible.


JakobSmith-

I’m a musician that has the occasional battle with RSI due to over practice. I’ll give a breakdown of what helps me (I’m not a doctor btw): •If mild pain starts while practicing (in your case typing), I take a 30 break and stretch wrists and fingers. If even a hair of pain persists, it’s usually a good idea to call it a day (You can’t perform if it’s hurting you to do so. For me, actually being able to do the work and not have pain distract you allows more productivity over time anyway) •If pain has developed to a point of unbearableness (E.g when you know exerting pressure down with your hand flat to the table will without doubt cause pain) then there are a few things to do that help, Ice early on helps alleviate some immediate pain. I’d also advise getting a hand stint to keep the joints still and wear it until the pain has gone, make sure it’s comfortable and the right size. You can also use this when you do get a hair of pain, though it can be difficult (they’re designed not to stretch or flex the muscles). This one is the one I use by actesso : https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007M291FY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_DP8HN6FHXBRXQ3HAPF3C?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 •The more times it occurs the pain will usually get worse and worse with each time until addressed. Something that helped massively prevent pain from recurring as often was using a gyroball, of which allowed to build some of the smaller muscles in the wrist up! •Last bit of advice is a bit odd, but I started exercising in general regularly about 6 months ago. And the pain hasn’t come back since, despite working harder than was before. I hypothesise it’s something to do with blood around the body, as my cardio is what I was aiming to improve. Id take what I’m saying with a pinch of salt, as I’m not a doctor, and am not expecting you to have the exact the same problem I have had. But seeing a doctor who can help wouldn’t be a bad idea either!! I had a really bad experience of this, of which I had come back from a gruelling full day rehearsal of some show scores at school)I play piano), and afterwards had to do a rehearsal with the band I was in. I was around 15, but it was without doubt the worst pain I have ever had. I had practiced at home the whole week before. On the way home in the car, I could feel every little bump in the road, it was agony. I hope this helps, but please be really careful with it, I wouldn’t wish the pain I had on anyone!


BadArtistTime

I’d guess either finger exercises or they just get used to it. This is coming from someone who hasn’t written in like 4 years and just typing this hurts my left thumb for some reason.


SaskrotchBMC

I do not write but similar things happen to people who play a lot of video games or video games competitively. Major thing is an ergonomic setup. Posture for your entire body. Back, legs, wrists, fingers, neck. If you are doing anything for an extended period of time. Second thing is stretching, stretch your fingers, wrists. Take breaks. I do realize that getting in the flow helps a ton but maybe segment your time and have stretching times, breaks, etc. Other than that, if you have pain, you should probably stop/consult your doctor. That can cause a lot of potentially lasting damage. Setup a safe way to hit the numbers you would like to hit. Pain is extremely bad if you are doing something like that. Talk to your doctor, or someone specialized in dealing with this sort of thing.


ElizabethUmberhulk

My friend, look into mechanical keyboards if you haven't already. They have softer keys. Better for your hands. Well they have a variety of keys to choose from, some of which are softer. Some keys are also designed to be quieter. Some have backlit keys which is pretty and also handy if you are like me and like to type in a dark room. Some keyboards have fewer keys so they are not as wide as a standard keyboard which is better for you ergonomically.


Berabouman

Can I plug them into my existing USB keyboard? I use a laptop.


Pugasaurus_Tex

I write 10k a day, sometimes 15. I don’t write much on the weekends, and I take plenty of breaks during the day. Sometimes my wrists act up, and I wear a wrist brace and take it easy for a day. I know some people like voice to text software, but I can’t stand it. The words flow better when I type.


CuteAffect

I’m not a writer, but I do loads of 3D modeling on the computer which can also cause wrist pain from the amount of clicking & typing. Some things I’ve found helpful are using a light mouse and a keyboard with low actuation force, so it stresses your muscles out less. Ergonomics is also very important. If you have a high keyboard, then use a wrist rest. Learn shortcuts for your writing software. I also skateboard, so I deal with muscle injuries a lot. The two main things that determine your risk of muscular injuries are strength and flexibility. The more muscle fibers you have, then harder it is to tear enough to cause injury. The more flexible the muscle fibers are, the harder it is to overextend them. I’m sure that applies to wrists and fingers too, so I’d recommend getting exercise equipment for your hand like hand grip strengtheners & wrist strengtheners. Then look up hand stretches that target all the muscle groups in your wrists, palms, and fingers. Theoretically, it should help, but I haven’t tried the hand exercises to confirm.


CrimsonFennix

I wear a compression glove when I'm in pain or my hands are swollen


Inkedbrush

Lots of stretches! https://www.toc.md/physical-therapy/handwrist-exercises/ https://centralorthopedicgroup.com/12-simple-exercises-to-heal-your-injured-hand/


free2bealways

There are ergonomic chairs, mouses, keyboards, taking breaks, etc. But at the end of the day, I think you also need to listen to your body. Your body is amazing but it has limits. It sounds like you're blasting through yours like they aren't there. My recommendation is actually to rest and cut your daily word count down. Do some physical therapy until you feel better, but never go back to that many words a day. You will still get books out (or whatever you're working on), but your body will thank you. And you'll be in a lot less pain! Bonus? I find that time results in better, more complicated plots because your brain has the space it needs to mull over the complicated problems in your story. (Especially if you allow for white space.)


Unusual-Swimming2918

I have a few tips on dealing with wrist pain. First, you apply ice after writing so that you can dimish the pain. Seconf, you could try switching your keyboard to one that is mechanical and has all the keys on straight lines which diminishes the space you need to stretch your fingers to write. Third, you can use a splint to imobilize your hand when you go to bed. It helps because it doesnt let you move in a way that hurts the tendons you've been overusing. Fourth, you need to use creams for pain like cataflan for example. Fifth, stay away from your phone after you write otherwise you arr going to bust your tendons and might even end up with shoulders and neck pain. Hope this helped. :)


IProbablyDisagree2nd

Others covered the "don't" advice pretty well. As someone who does occasionally get wrist pain from writing, here is some other advice. 1 = fountain pens require less pressure to write with. If you get used to writing with less pressure, you can write for longer without problems. 2 = people can write with their fingers, wrists, or even their upper arm. If you learn to do most writing by moving your arm, you can write a LOT longer. Bigger muscles can take a lot more strain. 3 = their are stretches you can do to help alleviate this. The one I know of puts your hand flat against the wall at shoulder height. Then you rotate you cheat forward with your arm straight. Do it slowly, and there is a good chance you will feel something stretch that you didn't even know was there, all down you arm and into your wrist.


Slut-Problems

I smoke a shit ton of weed for the pain!