My experience with an alt 9.1
By - ZweetWOW
This isn’t the average experience lol
"I used my millions of gold to buy BoE's, used my endless soul ash from Torg each week on my main to make my legendary, played all day for 4 days, and got to a point of only being a little behind within a week! Easy!"
ilvl 200 boes are a couple thousand gold, you could probably get enough from just leveling to 60
Cost about 70k to get all 200 ilvl boes on my server
On high pop server they are cheap
The title is his experience as an alt
BoE ilvl 200s are cheap and BoE 230s are extremely cheap for what they are
One torg run gives 1k soul Ash which is boa and if you're doing torg on a main then you're probably doing it for cinders and the ash is surplus anyway
You can only wear one blue 230 boe btw
Yeah i know, a few of my toons have more than 1 that i rotate based on stat priorities. Highly convenient and almost negligible price on my server
I mean it costs very little to buy those 200 blue BoE, you can get enough soul ash for a 225 legendary in <2 hours. He’s iLvl 224, in four days he has gear on par with the best gear you could have 2-3 weeks ago, is that really not fast enough for you?
Wait how do you get enough ash? Is it not timegated anymore? Did they raise the amount you get or something? I haven't played in 9.1 yet
You can keep clearing torghast for a small amount of soul ash, or trade it from other characters
Yea so you can now get around 1000 per wing, so 2k per week, slightly less if you can’t clear past a level 10. And then as the other commenter mentioned, you can continue to clear additional times for 100-200 per wing depending on the difficulty. They also removes the limit of times you can die.
200/230 BoEs are quite cheap.
The entire boe set was like 20k man. I'm a pvper, I have like 50k gold across all of my characters.
Been my go to this patch for alts. Full 200 + 1 230 and a 235 legendary is averaging around 20-30k on the servers I play. Has made the honor grind so much easier.
"Millions of gold"
Does sound easy, yes
>got to a point of only being a little behind within a week!
more than a little lmao, thats a long as fuck ways behind.
It's really not, people are entirely forgetting pvp gear scales rather well for alts, my 220 dh scales to 231 so yea, I compete
That’s significant xp you have… you’re better than 95% of all players. But I agree, this patch is very alt friendly imo. Between korthia and 2s you can gear fairly quickly.
It's probably more like 99% of players or probably even higher if they've played most classes to 2.2k since a lot of ppl just play one class/spec at a high level.
Its alt friendly if you catchup right now and do 1 week of full time chores and still far behind*
Fixed that for you
>But I agree, this patch is very alt friendly imo.
We have stooped so low that people *actually* think that the game is alt friendly now, because 9.0 was an absolute disaster.
It's not alt "very alt friendly", it's *more* alt friendly. Alt friendly would be something like Legion. We are so far from that, it's not even close.
I can't believe you're being downvoted and people are upvoting this as alt friendly.
Are these blizzard bots or are these people drinking the Kool Aid? 9.1 is not alt friendly.
I'll be honest, I was pretty surprised when I opened a reply earlier and saw that I was downvoted.
Stockholm Syndrome. Blizzard has the worst patch for alts - 9.0 - and the second that they marginally improve, addicted fanboys come to the game's defense to sing its praises and how things are "actually not bad". It's kind of sickening and sad to be honest.
you seem to have a lot of hostility for people that are just enjoying the game they play.
And I apologize for being abrasive, but I think the negativity is necessary. The consensus has to be that the game is trash, otherwise we won't see the significant changes that the game desperately needs - in my opinion at least.
The game sucks more than ever and Actiblizz is still doing fine financially, which is why I take issue with people supporting the game. It's not personal, if you like the game I don't have a problem with you personally. I just dislike the fact that you reward Blizzard for putting in a negative amount of effort (they actually actively make the game worse).
What we need is for people to unsubscribe en masse and tell blizzard their game is dogshit, and why it sucks. Then either the game turns it around or it dies,I'd be happy to see both, but rather the former than the latter.
I like the game. Sorry not sorry.
You don't have to be sorry, I am sorry for you.
Probably the 3rd least alt friendly patch if you started late. Worst patch I would say was bfa s4 if you did not play bfa at all before followed by SL1.
Yes, but I’ve pretty frequently seen the sentiment of: I’m a good player and I can’t get passed 1400 (or 1600/1800/whatever) based solely on my gear!
Posts like this at least provide evidence to the claim that being at a gear disadvantage isn’t as permanent a state as sometimes described and isn’t the only applicable factor. Maybe some of the people complaining just belong below 1400, because enough people like OP exist to populate the higher ratings.
If Rival is top 10%, then in the absolute worst scenario if every single rival/duelist/glad player dropped into the 1400 to 1600 bracket, you are on average outgeared by 1 in 10 opponents, or by 1 enemy every 5 games in 2s or 1 enemy every 3-4 games in 3s.
I guess the main issue is if you are higher rating in a different bracket and use your upgraded gear to climb at a bracket with lower rating. However, if you are duelist in 2s or 3s, I highly doubt you are going to be stuck in the 1.4k or even 1.6k bracket for very long in the other bracket (at least not on the same character). It literally took me like 1 hour to hit 1400 at the start of season 2 after a 2 month break. I then played with my friend's *28k hp* UH DK alt that he played on for 2 weeks at the start of S1 to help him get his vault/conquest with exactly 50% win rate over ~30-40 games at around 1400. The point is, if you are duelist in 1 bracket and decide to climb in another bracket, you won't be staying in the sub 1600 range for very long unless you are intentionally throwing, in which case you are giving out as many losses as free wins, which shouldn't affect rating on average I guess?
I'm pretty sure that the gear disparity from season 1 was mainly with RBGs last season as the average RBG rating was a good 200 points higher than arena with the rating distribution very skewed to the higher end (something like 6-7x players are duelist+ in rbg as in 2s/3s). Those players can then take their duelist gear from rbgs into arena where they lack the same experience and then get stuck at a much lower rating. When I was playing with my DK friend, it was fairly easy to tell when I ran into rival/duelist geared players who got that gear through arena and who got through them via carries/rbgs with only very limited arena experience. I haven't played rbgs in s2, but if the RBG rating inflation was adjusted by Blizzard, then this issue will be a lot less prevalent. Otherwise, it will be just as bad as before.
Also, I disagree with OP about gearing is alt friendly in s2. It took an experienced player about 24 hours to gear knowing exactly what to do at the start of the season. If you played 2 hours a day, it would take you a good 2 weeks after hitting 60 to get slightly worse gear than what you ended up at the end of season 1. You are then behind on the vault/soul cinders for however many weeks you didn't play on the alt after the start of the season. As the season goes on, it would also become more difficult to gear new alts.
If rival is top 10% how can it infest the bracket? Must be more than 10% of players if you’re always seeing rival gear, or your argument is wrong
>everyone buying boosts
feels good to have to win against R1 teams selling boosts to get 1800 instead of an 1800 team
If everyone is buying boosts and everyone has rival gear then rival isn’t just 10% anymore.
Name checks out 😂
I would argue the mechanics of it aren't terrible. But doing the content around getting renown for alts again and again is pretty bad. It's just not a fun experience in any way.
Also, sounds like your a good player. Probably play with other good players. So it's probably easier for you to cap conquest than casual players.
The simple fix is to have losses reward some conquest and honor. The winner only reward system is bad for alts and people who play casually. So maybe a win gives you 100% reward and a loss gives you 25%.
If you let mmr adjust, it's the same difficulty/time to cap conquest for anyone
Wins at 800cr give the same conquest as wins at 2800 and if you're playing at the correct mmr for your gear/comp/skill then your winrate will be around 50%
I really don't think this is accurate. For example, playing at under 1400 cr doesn't equal running into people with no gear or only honor gear. It's a vast spectrum where gear advantage nearly always overcomes play.
If you're at 1400 mmr then that was decided by who you beat and who you lost to, their mmr, which is based on who they beat and who they lost to, etc
The outcome is that the people that you face have a similar history to you, and therefore a similar chance of winning
If youre facing someone with 10k more health than you at 1.4, you're facing them because they lose to people at 1.4 about half the time
At 1.4 you face either good players with bad gear, or bad players with good gear
Idk I feel the mrr is a bit weird this season. Like all last night maybe 30 games my team was 1500 pushing to 1600 but every game was against 1700-1800 players. Our mmr sat at 1600 but rating around 1500 and it just wouldn't equal out or match us fairly. Was so strange.
doing daily bg wins reward some cp, which helps a lot.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. Just winning a random/epic/skirm/brawl daily is literally like 150 conquest you can get per day before ever stepping into rated
True. When the week starts and you get all the pvp quests from oribos, you can get the weekly CP cap in one/two days without even playing rated pvp
I play entirely lfg and only play with players at that ratkng. I mostly capped with a 203 ilvl hpal with 1500xp
Gear snowball like you said, very spot on. Its a disgusting system that discourage people to play alts. The honor gear is garbage, the korthia gear is also trash and time gated. Basically 220ilvl is the maximum amount you can get (if you are a veteran player) and you have to push rating against 235ish teams in a zug zug meta. My main rsham has 60% wr at 2.2cr and my alt mw isnt even getting games because who wanna play with a low gear mw?
Imagine a returning player after grinding renown, leggo, full honor gear, korthia...then realize they are just a punching bag with 50% disadvantage
TBF, MW is just not a desirable healer overall right now even after the buffs.
Mw is great against hunter with transcendence to prevent getting trapped. Big brain hunters trap the spot of the transcendence tho.
I'm saying in general lol.
For sure, but above 2100 it’s 50% hunters so.
In 2s the top 3 are healers, the only one beating out hunters is rogues, and that’s because they have a non healer viable comp. It’s funny when you say arms is more popular when your own reference counters that point. Hunters are the most common paired with a healer in 2s, even according to what you linked.
You gonna run 2 healer in 2s?
I actually think this is proof it is too hard. Given your experience of 24 hours it would be highly unlikely that say a casual player like myself could come close to doing it.
I think 24 hours for 216 pvp ilvl is reasonable, but if you think about a more casual player it would be more played hours to get this done. You are pretty much the best case scenario. It would likely be 36+ played hours and in the the 2 to 3 week range for them to get this done by someone semi-casual. Would you think that is a good experience for new into PvP to want to do JUST to be moderately competitive. They are still going to have it rough. That just foster new blood and keeping the environment flourishing.
I may not be the best example as I came back to WoW around the start of the pandemic last year. I had played from Vanilla launch until the end of WotLK. I PvPed mostly during that time and peaked at Duelist 2.1k to 2.2k range.
I have wanted to get back into ranked PvP, but have yet to do it. It seems too daunting with the time I have. It probably wouldn't be that bad for me as I mainly play healers Priest/Druid, but still finding partners while being mega short on gear is why I haven't. I would definitely do a solo que that is ranked. I am of the opinion ranked pvp should have matched ilvl for everyone. Rank would be for cosmetics, mounts, and titles etc. If you are going tonhave a ranked competitive environment it just makes sense.
The game I play for my more competitive play is Dota 2. Dota 2 is a great competitive game and they only do cosmetics. Everyone is on the same power level. I get that it isn't an MMO, but I feel WoW has a great actual ranked system once you are playing. It would only become a more robust and better competitive environment if gear was made equal.
I didn't play in Legion so I couldn't tell you. I am just giving my opinion on what I feel would be best for the pvp community as a whole.
The biggest problem legion had was not being able to choose your stat distribution. It was so close to being the perfect competitive system.
And instead of improving on a good thing... they destroyed it and started from scratch... just like with all WOW systems between expansions.
> And instead of improving on a good thing... they destroyed it and started from scratch.
BFA scaling was kind of like soft templates, though.
They just neglected to have a reasonable means of gear acquisition.
That weekly piece from your 2400 vault is more often than not better than something from your +15 vault, and PvE in general had most if not all the Bis for the majority of specs.
What ilvl was your arena partner
Asking the real questions. I assume he was finding people in LFG. Otherwise this whole post would be a total joke.
This is zweet, all of his arena partners are glad/R1 just like him.
Lfg man i capped with a 203 ilvl hpal with 1500xp. I had to teach him the game basically.. it wasnt a smooth run
If only it didn’t matter what ilvl gear you had and you could pvp freely without disadvantage.
Hold the fuck up you can transfer soul ash?
Yep, once you proceed throught the story in korthia a vendor will let you buy boxes with 250 ash in it for the cost of 300. These boxes are account wide :)
Means you can do Thorgast on 3 Chars (both wings) each week and craft a 235 for an alt
Dumb follow up, the vendor shows up on your main and you select what character to send it to at the vendor?
Once you unlocked the vendor on one (!) char, he is unlocked on all other chars aswell. Keep in mind the vendor is IN korthia. Therefor your characters need to be able to reach korthia.
They're literal boxes you send per mail to your alts.
Close. It's a Bind on Account item that you buy with your main which you can then mail to whatever alt you want.
Buy it with 300 and then you have to open it and receive 250. So you can mail it to an alt like a gear token.
Nope, I assume you just send the box per mail like every other account wide soulbinds
Is this not in game yet? I'm renown 51 on main and as far as I could go in korthia or at least I thought so lmao
This simply shows if someone hit 60 in the middle of 9.1, it would be hell for them to catch up in everything. They would probably give up during the process lol.
I think it matters a lot whether you're trying to be 'optimal'. If you don't mind being 20 ilvl behind, not having sockets and conduit upgrades for a while / ever, not getting all your legendaries early at 262, etc... then the catchup isn't so bad. If you're trying to keep up with other 'optimal' players, alts are a big time commitment.
The problem is extremely hard to outplay noob but “optimal” players on alt. These “optimal” players like to play tsg dh ww and zug zug you with 5k mythic+ dps because classes are designed that way.
Looking forward to hear success stories from multi r1 players pushing to 2.4 with 1800 conquest anf full honor gear
Except for the gold you need for the boes and the soul ash you would need to have bunked from 9.0.5 this seems pretty nice.
While set was about 20k, yes
The issue isn't getting it to renown and 200+ il, the issue is grinding soul cinders, torgh, conquest cap, etc. On 2 characters every week.
Well yeah, you’re a glad player. Of course it’s easy for you.
Barely any of this required arena. :)
Bullshit. Because I’m 228 pvp ilevel and the only reason I’m that high is because I didn’t save for my weapon, then got lucky with the vault this week and got it. So I already have 6 1400 pieces, also have a couple 220pve vers pieces and you’re only 4pvp I level behind me on an alt. You’ve definitely done arena/rbgs.
I have... I said barely any of this (i.e most steps in my process) were not arena, mostly doing campaigns and just grinding normal bgs.
We’re glad you were able to get your alt going with a small loan of $1 million
>For reference I have 2.5kxp and have played most classes to 2.2k
>Tldr: not that bad to be honest
Great, so PvP is okay for the top 1st percentile of players. What a relief. No offense to you, though, enjoy the game.
I mean on one hand it's better than it was in 8.3
But 8.3 was quite possibly the worst alt experience the game has ever had
>If you want to play alts, do it now before gear snowballs and the conquest cap is 300 wins away.
Yeah, and it's just going to get worse. Imagine being a newbie with 205-229 gear and coming into arena vs Pikaboo at 1400 in 259 gear
Or just being a newbie in general trying out BGs in two months after hitting 60 where a Duelist has 3x your health
Same experience here, and I m nowhere close to a 2,2 k player. Started gearing my rogue 2 weeks ago from 190 ilvl. With Korthia/Vault/PvP set hes at 224 pvp ilvl now. Its really not that bad
I'm not a great player (I make a lot of stupid, careless errors, which cost you those essential wins), so I stay around 1500-1600. Yesterday, I took my priest and played with a hunter who had crap gear (like 25k hp). He is a season duelist (on his main) and was gladiator in BFA. I was surprised how well we did. Although he was super squishy, we won most games. Players that are skilled and experienced don't rely on gear as much as casuals like me. I respect the setup of the game more (even though it irritates me) seeing how well skilled players do with no gear.
Here's my experience.
I have multiple classes I play around 1.8-2.1k. I decided to level a monk, which I have 2.4k exp on. I haven't managed to craft a lego yet, mainly because I hate Choreghast and didn't cap every week on my mains (didn't have time to, because of irl stuff). I too bought all the 200ilvl blues from AH. I have the maledict trinket and other PvP trinket. I have a couple of honor pieces, but I can only upgrade to 203 in PvP, because for some reason I'm not getting renown all the time. I got a piece of shit trinket from the vault this week, and have being grinding skirmishes. I have no decent conduits brcause the daily chore calling boxes aren't giving me any. I cant get groups to PvP because my gears so shit, if I do I diein 2 globals. I realised, even if I got to remown 43 and grinded all that honor to upgrade I would still be miles behind. Im not fortunate enough these days to have the same amount of time to play as you, and tbh this season gas ruined wow for me. I really hate this 1 shot meta every class has with no set up required, also the item level gaps in PvP are huge and make a significant impact over any sort of skill. Im a whisker away from quitting altogether after 16 years. So yeah, I decided it was a pretty big waste of time to try gear an alt in 9.1 for PvP, unless you can play 6-8 hours per day.
Im not saying a want gear nothing, although that would be better for PvP, but when I get gear I want it to be useful.
have you played a DK to 2.2k this patch ?
i have 218 ilvl and no healer wants to play with me after a couple of games, they all say DK dies too fast ... (vs war/dh/ww/bm) which is like 80% of 2s rigjt now, every healer just straight up told me, i can't heal you even without CC on them :(
I watched drainer, he said he won't Q with cervantes anymore, he takes too much pressure vs every melee (drainer thinks dk worst melee lmao) and if you don't know drainer & cervantes are like the kings of 2s, their DK/MW comp from what i heard was undefeated t'ill shadowlands
I haven't actually its one of the few im awful at
DK works best in 3s man in tsg
yea as a new player with no achivs ( best is 1.7k cr 3s & 2s) i ain't getting invited to anything in 3s.
3s players i noticed are much better even in low cr ( i got to 1.6k cr so far and i can't find partners anymore).
How you conquest cap in less than 50 games?
He probably won 85% of the games. Zweet is an arena god.
The weekly was arena wins + bg honor so i did rated arena and bgs, made it alot faster :)
Rated bgs I guess? That would make more sense. Because the cap is 1900
I won 2 before i was capped, yeah
You a beast
What are you playing as the alt? Priest and mage on the bench?
This is on my war :)
Na i always play a mix of things.. still actively playing all 3 but only doing arenas and rated bgs no time to do dailies etc
Wow chores are not fun. I hope your business is doing well now.
Thanks bro ❤️ it's still closed with lockdown but getting there
Most people can’t do 6 hrs a day playing WoW or want to spend 24 hrs of game time to catch up
No doubt man. I'm in Locky d though so no lifing atm
I've hit 60 on my alt pally couple days after pvp season 2 started, and im at the same place as my main. Same renown, around same ilvl (2ilvl lower) and around same rating (1.9k\~). Its really not that bad with 220 catchup gear from korthia
I didn't buy any boes besides the 230 ring, I conquest capped and bought all the honor gear and fully upgraded it, renown is maxed out on a demon hunter alt, I ran some couple mythic plusses and made my legendaries, my pve ilvl is 227 ...pvp gear is 220 and scaled up is 231 which is more than enough to compete, all of it got done in a week and a half
Lol, I'm doomed then.
If you are someone who read this post and are having issues with pulling off what he's described, please reply to this post with details on exactly what you struggle with. If you provide real details, such as "200ilvl boes on my server are 100K each for a protection paladin, such as ____ slot", I will do my best to guide you along the way.
What he has posted is true. I have many alts, don't play well with others, and still his experience is identical to mine, though my pvp skills are shit so I rely more on easy PvE content. The biggest hurdle is getting your renown up before doing your covenant campaign, so the catch-up mechanic slingshots you. Make sure to get all conduits from world quests and unlock your soulbinds tree as you get the required renown levels. This adds huge player power for simple things that also get you gear.
>24 hours played isn't all that much.
I would say that is relative. That is a lot of time for some
I rushed this over 4 days, for someone to do 24 hours played over say 2 weeks, not that much.
How much does a 235 leggo take to craft, soul ash wise?
Having similar experience honestly - my bm hunt just hit 60 few days ago and I am doing pretty much the exact same as you.
Few questions - how do you transfer soul ash from main to alt?!
And - quickest way to covenant level is really just the campaign, world bosses, LFR, and obviously pvp right?
Edit: also 2400 xp multi class on healers
Korthia friendly rep man
this is good to hear. i am a true altoholic and maybe i will have a chance at playing a lot of toons this season. but crap... im still behind on my "main" lol
Yo i appreciate this alot. Just did something similar on my monk. The people crying like "professionallook176" are just morons who should leave the game. you literally get 2k soul ash a week 2 weeks you're good man stop bitching about everything. Next thing you know this guy is gonna complain that his body automatically breathes for him
I have had around the same experience as you, its not that bad tbh. Biggest issue is pve items and last season conquest gear being broken in pvp atm. I started playing rsham around 1 week ago and I am currently at 1600 cr with it at around 214 pvp ilv. I have around 2.1k 1sxp playing dk. I have only played my rsham this season It was rough between 1400- 1600 bracket. I have around 35k health meanwhile I play against mr zug zugs with around 45k health and at that point the gear difference hits different.
Lol, you forgot the part, where you shit all over the current PVP situation.
Totally agree, parent of 2 here (a 4 and a 2 yo) 8hr job, wife and got my alt to 200 ilvl in 16h. Wanna whine, go play FF, noone wants you here noob peasants
So it's not that bad if you've already played most classes to 2.2k? It's not surprising that the top 1% of players can gear up easily. The vast majority of players are never going to get geared that quickly from rated PVP.
bro I play my alts for 15min of korthia dailies per day. on top of that, I do the assaults and a mythic 7 keystone every week and they’re already 220. come the fuck on. they started this patch as fresh 60s.
If you like doing korthia dailies on multiple alts per day go for it. I got sick of that after a week. To be at 220 ilevel from korthia already you must have been doing some serious grinding. You are blizzard's target audience.
Nothing i did required immense amount of skill.. my 2v2 cap was only like 55-60% win rate.. quite standard really and mmr is there for a reason.
That's not standard at all for a new alt with ilevel 200 in the hands of average player. Just use your brain for a second. You've played most classes to 2.2k and yet that was your win/loss ratio at LOW CR. Imagine how an average player would fair!
You're obviously well into the top 1% of wow pvp players. Your ability to get geared up quickly in rated pvp is not typical.
Mmr dude... These games were at 1600 mmr.. new players wont be at 1600mmr with no gear, making it more likely to be similar w/l
Well the point was that people who aren't high xp will likely be at 1100 mmr where lots of people have shit gear
What ilvl was your partner? Was he a random? or another glad?
203 ilvl hpal 1500xp
buying the boes off AH
stopped reading, thanks. I can't buy from AH and am stuck on getting offspec weapons in Korthia so can't even upgrade them.
You can’t but 200ivl blues?
I though you could only equip 1 blue crafted item
One 230 yeah. But all 200s
read the text again. he started on lvl 200, then bought boes from AH.
whats the point of buying 200s from AH when Korthia drops 200+
Do some korthia stuff and sell korthicrystals. Ez money. Also those blues are cheap af. You're just lazy my man
For real, I started mining from level 1 and just casually mined ore in korthia got to max in first reset with doing the dailies and I made over 400k just selling stuff from week 1 until now.
How much are the blue BOEs?