By - DrNeutrino
“You did this. Look in the mirror”
[Sauli telling Putin to go fuck himself (2022, colorized)](https://preview.redd.it/m1d1gxo321z81.png?auto=webp&s=487196632500cf1ac05a771ea087715a34d44bd1)
Way back this was called forbidden fruit...
For something of this importance, no. But there are actually votes that often go close to or at unanimous because they are not important things.
Was caught off guard at how HiDef the faces were
Never could get into that game.
As someone with over 3k hours in LoL, trust me when I say you're much better off that way.
Yea the friends I know that spend a lot of time in it in diamond and master are just extremely unpleasant individuals.
You like being friends with extremely unpleasant individuals?
Dollars to donuts those friends weren’t as unpleasant before LoL became the fulcrum of their existence
*the mirror is a picture of erdogan*
Only one MP voting against NATO is paid by Putin (via a far-right millionaire). One other isnpaid by China, and the rest six are older gen leftist just opposed to it in principle.
> and the rest six are older gen leftist just opposed to it in principle.
What was their plan if Russia invades?
Take the Dragon Spheres to Simo Häyha's grave and let order be restored.
What translation calls them Dragon "Spheres"?
Vamos a buscar
Being serious for a moment, probably there is none. I think most of them are pretty strict pacifists, and against any military action taking place at all, offensive and defensive both included.
It's the classic notion of minimizing the number of deaths, no matter what. Which is a valid position, even if many don't feel that way.
Pretty sure Erdogan is looking to satisfy himself, not Putin.
I've been told all NATO members need to vote Yes for Sweden and Finland to become part of NATO.
Is this true?
Yes. All other NATO members have signaled green light but Turkey has said no, unless they get something they want.
In Finland we call this "iltalypsy", evening milking of the cow, when you try to squeeze some benefits at the last moment.
What the hell does Turkey want?
Turkey wants lifted sanctions . When turkey invaded Syria Sweden sanctioned them on weapons sales . I am not sure if Finland did as well . America dropped turkey from the f35 joint nato project for getting to close to Russia and buying s400 . Turkey wants sanctions lifted and to be able to buy Swedish weapons and f35 jets
Since then hadn't turkey shot down Russian jets for entering their airspace?
Erdoğan thinks low interest rates will fix inflation and he's fired like 6 people over that in the past years, there's little predictable level headed decision making going on in Ankara.
They were all for Finland joining until they were suddenly not. Now they want something in exchange for their acquiescence.
the kurdish refugees back, from what ive read so far
Kurdish refugees they view as terrorists* basically Erdogan wants some domestic political points before the upcoming election next year
Election?! In Turkey?! Come on now we already know the results and it's not even going on right now.
Yes that's correct.
Here's a summary of how the process works.
Lets call this the Putin effect: when your efforts to prevent a particular outcome are so disproportionate that they end up causing the very same thing you wanted to prevent.
My man turned an unfavorable situation into a terrible one by trying to improve it.
God knows what would have happened if he had actively tried to ruin Russia
[Moscow if Putin tried to ruin Russia.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/026/738/future.jpg)
Knew exactly what picture it was before I clicked. Well chosen.
I still braced for getting Rick rolled, seems accurate thou!
It’s like the US if Reagan had never been President.
I wish I was in the Carter second term reality were we all went solar in 1983
And the Saudis are all riding camels.
And sweater technology has progressed to 3022.
BuT hE EnDed tHe CoLD wAr
He's fucking dead and his bullshit is still trickling down all over my face.
Some people are into that
Yeah, and apparently they still hold office here!
I'm very sexually aroused by Reagan being dead.
I can tolerate pee kinks, but necrophiliac pee kink is where I draw the line.
I like how he also probably had dementia in his last years in office and no one did anything about it. The Reagan worship is absurd.
He also consulted with his personal astrologer before making decisions in office
It was even worse than that. The fucking astrologer had veto power on when and where air force one would takeoff or land...
[There is a Behind the Bastards episode on this that is worth a listen.](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/the-astrologer-who-managed-the-reagan-29632792/)
Since he’d do the opposite of what he believes in it would have flourished
The George Costanza Principle. If every instinct you have is wrong, the opposite would have to be right.
Haha! I'll let our neighbours flourish, opposing party members to practise politics, my people to be in peace no matter their ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation, eradicate the corruption AND I'll let the the press write about public matters without state policing. THAT will teach them!
"Without my secret police running elections and telling every person what to believe, the country will be in ruins in a decade, then they will come crawling back to me"
Putin pushing Russia to the brink of collapse with his Soviet-era mindset https://imgur.com/yezyaPY.jpg
Maybe that's his goal, wants to go down in the history books one way or another. All news is good news type of outlook.
that sounds like a typical greek tragedy
My Big Fat Ukrainian Invasion
Its like a Greek tragedy. By trying to escape fate, you dive head first into it.
I feel like this happens in every time travel movie.
"I have to stop x from happening!"
"*x happens because they tried to stop it from happening*"
"*suprise pikachu face*"
Master oogway said this would happen
That was my first thought too lol. What was the line, something like, one often meets their destiny on their path to avoid it?
Shame, this whole debacle could have been avoided if Putin had simply watched Kung Fu Panda.
Sounds like a twist on the Streisand Effect, which describes how trying to hide or censor information causes it to become more widely known.
Also is sort of a Self Fulfilling Prophecy.
This 100% self fulfilling prophecy, someone check if he went to Delphi at any point
Irony, it's ironic.
Doesn't remind me of my wedding day (it rained).
Or like getting a free ride, when you already paid
Ironically, those aren't examples of irony.
And neither is this. :-)
A song full of unfortunate coincidences being labeled as ironic IS however the height of irony.
However, this was good advice that I just didn't take. Who would've thought it figgerred?
Ones about sharing information the other is about joining social clubs.
Think that’s what they meant it to be
This actually already has a name: [Cobra Effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive#The_original_cobra_effect)
And before that it was just called "backfiring".
Yeah! But everything needs a special name with "Effect" or something alike to show how cool it is!
Though it does not have a cool name, "backfire" does flows nicely off the tongue.
Just like every controversy needs “gate” at the end of the name.
Like the pandemic, putins invasion of ukraine merely accelerated all existing trends.
Nato expansion, russias decline, ukraine moving closer to Europe. All lf these things were well underway. Putin felt the pressure to do something emergency to prevent or turn the tide towards russias favor, but it failed.
The only winning solution for putin is to withdraw and work with Europe to negotiate a 20 year winding down of their corrupt mafia government. Give them the runway to live their lives in comfort but without power.
That will be hard to do with so many calling for his head. But I believe it's the only negotiable item that would be acceptable. Ukraine sovereignty including crimea needs to be completely returned
When do they get the free NATO tote bag?
They get a pretzel bag clip. Tote bags are on back order.
What happens if they use that on chips? Is there a fine?
That would send chiplomatic relations back decades
Totes are awarded once defense spending is >1.5% of your GDP.
(Due to supply disruptions, tote bags are unavailable until further notice)
Finnish defence force spending is estimated at 2,5-3,5% of GDP
Greece stocking up on Trojan Horses
Greece is preparing for war with Turkey. Coincidentally, another high spending nato member
Preparing for war with Turkey is a wrong way to phrase this, more like trying to prevent wars by an oversized military budget. Also trying to field a relatively huge army with no Defense industry for many decades means buying A LOT of weapon stuff.
Ya but Greece cheated, instead of raising spending they just lowered their GDP.
Ah the ol' Greek GDP-eroo
Make that four. Turkey is around 2.8%
Optics & Design will have it ready by the end of the month and will drop it off at Macro Data Refinement
But what are we going to do about Turkey possibly putting the kibosh on the whole thing?
Someone in this comments section said they would probably make a deal with Finland and Sweden involving them dropping Sanctions against Turkey in exchange for membership. Maybe some new weapons too.
Dropping the weapons sale sanction against a NATO member should be a done deal if one joins NATO, I figure the bigger impediment may be Sweden's relationship with the PKK in Turkish Kurdistan.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS LARRY! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS!
DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS LARRY????
DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FIND A STRANGER IN THE ALPS
YOU'RE KILLING YOUR FATHER LARRY
Take a good look out that window, son. Cause this is what happens WHEN YOU FIND A STRANGER IN THE ALPS!
WE’RE GONNA CUT YOUR DICK OFF LARRY
WE BELIEVE IN NOTHING!
AND A GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!!! Is he still writing?
Oh, no. He has health problems.
It's honestly the more subtle stuff like this that makes this movie for me. Everyone loves the big quotes and for good reason but I swear every line of dialogue is funny.
He fixes the cable?
I feel so sorry for all the people reading this comment thread who've never seen The Big Lebowski and have no idea what the fuck anyone is talking about
Great job from the [NATO salesman of the year](https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1526129036828758016).
Kinda wish NATO would officially send him one of these
The closest we got is a Former US Admiral reposting it on his [Twitter](https://twitter.com/stavridisj/status/1525884220987564037?t=Kd3Q6HH8SybNN7S49F4Z7Q&s=19)
Hear me out…
Putin was scared of “x”, so he attacked, which provoked “x” to do the thing he was afraid of…
This reminds me of the Attack on Titan plot.
They have a massive land border with Russia and a badass military.
Watch Vlad “snowflake” Putin and his coward cronies cry like babies.
"Finland: We don't start wars, we just (**gun shot**) *Finnish* them."
"They are so many and our country so small, where will we find room to bury them all?"
I'm sure Ukraine would be willing to advise.
We finns already know 👀
Didn't they say something like that recently after the most recent round of Putin's saber-rattling? Something like, "Russian troops are free to come here and join the 200,000 already buried after the last time they came."
Bunch o' Finnish boys chomping at the bit to break that all time sniping record.
With so many lakes, you can just sink them. Wrap them in barbed wire, and sink them. When they bloat, the wire will cut them up, and let the expanding gas out.
The playbook from the Mexican cartel. One step closer to unification by sharing information!
And ruin your beautiful lakes?
Absolutely not. We have hundred thousand lakes, and most are so pure that one can drink them.
Oh yea, the Finns have the best artillery corps in Europe. If Russia can't even take Ukraine they have zero chance of fighting well against the Finns, even if they had an army available.
Finnish landscape is an logistical nightmare for an invader. Combine this with Finnish artillery power and expertise and you have an absolute death trap.
FDF also makes freakin awesome [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TQKhF6lX0).
Russia has a bit of a history of smashing their faces into the Finnish wall too. I don't think they would be keen on invading.
Especially after Russia spent most of their missiles losing a war in Ukraine.
Well I mean, Ukrainians are pretty badass, AND the country has a lot of support (weapons) from west. (As a response to ”can’t even take Ukraine”)
Finland would receive as much or more support, if needed.
Now that they're joining NATO it would be A LOT more
If they’re in NATO then there won’t be help needed, attacking NATO is attacking the US (it would take multiple or all of EU countries to bring the level of support the US does) and Russia doesn’t have the balls.
They'd quickly learn why we don't have healthcare or good infrastructure.
Fuck me. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this.
Little bit of A, little bit of B.
*Laughs in Supercarrier*
They already had a substantial foothold in Ukraine from 2014 and Ukraine’s military was not as powerful as Finland’s. Finland have also been wary of Russia for… well, forever, basically, where Yanukovych and his predecessors were very much in bed with Russia.
They actually started peddling back and saying that it was "not a threat" that Finland and Sweden were going to join NATO
They have counted both Finland and Sweden to be effectively in the "Western camp" from at least the 1990's. It may be that they see our NATO bids just making the *de facto* already existing marriage binding by the law (so to speak).
It’ll shut him up making threats about them though since he ain’t never going to touch a country that might trigger article 5.
NATO stuff was always just a pretense for attacking Ukraine, they never really cared about it because no one would attack a nuclear power anyway
Russia went from having a little sliver of NATO on its borders to 50% in a matter of weeks lol
Putin has done this to himself. He's got to be surprised every day how thinly stretched his military and its resources are. Russia is depleting soldiers, weapons, economy and wealth to bribe collaborating oligarchs, or kill them off. To continue this he may have to pull from his own (stolen) wealth, as well as the wealth of his Russian oligarch (former) kleptocrat collaborators. This may help explain why there's a pile of dead Russian oligarchs. They have to be protesting as they have everything to lose and nothing to gain by the Ukrainian War.
And now Russia wants to stop Finland from joining NATO? Endless Winter War is coming for Putin, and all of Russia will be dragged in, at a terrible cost of lives and treasure. The remaining oligarchs in Russia, Putin's generals, Putin's close circle, they all know what they need to do to save Russia from this ongoing train wreck caused by only one man.
I just love that NATO presence on Russia’s border will INCREASE rather than decrease which was Putin’s goal. This has backfired tremendously.
Wow…the beginning of a new political era.
Lemme put it this way, if joining nato was up for a vote in the US today, there would be so much opposition
The Finnish parliament vote was 94% in favour. Can you imagine 94 US senators doing the same?
Yeah if the issue was senatorial pay raises
Maybe 94 against in that scenario.
Pay raises are electorally unpopular, they have no interest in encouraging more qualified candidates to vie for their own jobs, and they can make plenty of money through backdoors that make their salary look like peanuts anyways.
Congress hasn't changed their salary in 14 years, the longest gap in a century. And the changes in the 18 years before that were all essentially just inflation adjustments (adjusted for inflation, salaries are currently at their lowest in 75 years).
You are right. It if was a vote to uncap any monetary lobbying limits that are in place... if there are any I have no idea.
Or more money to the military industrial complex
So, basically what funds NATO...
Senators: Not, not like that.
1. Philip Jefferson was recently confirmed to the Federal Reserve board with a 91-7 vote (93% yea) on May 11
2. The Ending Importation of Russian Oil Act was passed with 100-0 votes (100% yea) on April 7
3. The Suspending Normal Trade Relations with Russia and Belarus Act was passed with 100-0 votes (100% yea) on April 7
3. David Honey was confirmed as the Deputy Under Secretary of Defense with a 94-5 vote (95% yea) on Feb 16
4. Douglas Bush was confirmed as the Assistant Secretary of the Army with a 93-5 vote (95% yea) on Feb 9
And these are just examples from 2022.
Don't forget Ukraine lend lease. 100 yeas in the senate.
Did you see the vote for lend-lease?
Given then that congress has sent 10s of billion of dollars to Ukraine, I would think that most of congress would suppprt NATO
Yeah...because the only way the US ends up in a war with Russia is to defend a NATO ally. For the US, NATO actually *increases* the chance of war with Russia. For Finland, it's the obvious defensive choice and one they should have made back in 2014. Lets remember that before the invasion of Ukraine, Finland and Sweden weren't looking to join NATO when they really should have been.
Lets also keep in mind that in the US House, *98%* of representatives just voted to give Ukraine essentially Russia's entirely yearly military budget in one shot. Again, when there is no risk of invasion to the US. I 100% agree with them, but lets not pretend the US is some worthless fence sitting bystander here. US material and intelligence aid has been absolutely invaluable to Ukraine, so much so that it's very possible Russia would already have won without it.
A majority of congress is against Russia. Hence why they keep approving aid through weapons and money to Ukraine. Sure we have the Putin puppets but not enough to overturn a vote.
Sadly, we're going to find out the exact answer to this question within a few weeks when Congress has to ratify the decision as part of the accession process. McConnell has already stated he [supports Finland and Sweden joining](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/mcconnell-backs-finland-sweden-nato-memberships-during-stop-in-europe) but it's inevitable that a few GOP Senators are going to vote against it. I'll also be curious to see how Bernie votes considering he has been on record as supporting membership for the US but [firmly opposing NATO expansion.](https://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-nato/)
> Anti-Expansion: Bernie is against the expansion of NATO to include new member states because it risks provoking military conflict with Russia
Seems a little too late for that…
It was too late at the time he wrote it (2016) considering Russian annexation of Crimea, Invasion of the East, Invasion of Georgia, continued aggression in Transnistria, etc., etc., etc.
I don't mind Bernie but this has always been one of his worst takes.
That and his anti-nuclear energy stance.
He’s great, but he’s also a thousand years old.
Oh yeah, wasn’t trying to dunk on you or anything. I asked myself out loud “Why?” when I read your comment and clicked your link to know more. Seems to be strange stance for sure.
Bernie’s stated reason for opposition is to avoid escalation with Russia.
That ship has sailed, and sunk.
He may oppose it, but it would be fore a new reason.
I would not be surprised to see him support it, and to read terrible headlines calling him a flip-flopper.
>Finland's Parliament approves Nato application in historic vote [188-8]
Good for Finland...a nation that takes 1st place of all countries tested for critical thinking skills. They actually start teaching their children these skills in kindergarten.
I love Finland
**Sweden just filed paperwork to apply too!**
After officially they officially join, Russia would be the only country left on the Baltic Sea not part of NATO.
And judging by the history of the Russian Navy through the present day, somehow I doubt the Baltic Sea Fleet would be some kind of equalizer for that.
The Baltic Sea fleet once nearly lost a battle with fishing trawlers.
Pretty sure that with another couple years rusting away with russian maintenance, they'll lose the battle to the sea. Judging by their land vehicles at least.
They're already losing a naval battle in the black sea against a country with no navy.
In fairness the sea is usually the deadliest enemy any navy faces.
*Laughs in dutch*
Begun the Rust Wars have.
They could effectively blockade the Baltic Sea if they can get enough of their ships sunk in it. A special blockade operation.
Who are the 8 that voted against?
6 members of the Left Alliance, a socialist party. Although they were a minority within their own party as well.
1 member of the Finns Party, a populist and nationalist party. All 37 of his fellow party members voted in favor.
And 1 MP who was kicked out of the Finns Party for making a tasteless tweet about George Floyd. Since then, he has formed his own party called "Power Belongs to the People", specializing in Covid conspiracy theories and pro-Russia talking points. He's the only MP of that party.
So 6 are the fringe of one party, 1 is the fringe of another party and the last is the crazy guy who said "I'll start my own party with vodka and oligarchs".
>So 6 are the fringe of one party
Not that fringe. 9 voted in favor and 6 against, so their parliamentary group was quite closely split.
Ah, I misunderstood the numbers of that party.
Well done Putin, you did the impossible
Holy shit, 188-8? That's a pretty big "yeah, we took a look at Putin and decided to buck a 200 year trend because of that asshole"
200 years is for Sweden.
200 years ago the Grand Duchy of Finland was ruled by someone called czar Alexander.
Ah you right
*YOU get an F-35!*
*AND YOUUU get an F-35!!!*
The Finnish already bought f35s a couple of months ago.
If I didn’t know better, I would think that Putin was **trying** to radically unite the resolve of western democracies
Wow, that's quite the majority. Looks like this is the Finnish for Putin
Imagine having a government that works.
Congrats! Your government has fewer Russian plants than the US!
It's always fun to count the obvious Russian propaganda accounts in these threads. Accounts less than a few weeks old, vague pro-Russian claims, and a complete refusal to reply to anyone challenging or questioning their nonsense.
I know it's not easy, but come on Reddit admins and devs. You can do a better job at stopping this spam.
Erdogan: hold my Efes