By - ppl-
No surprises there, sadly.
Later 1989.6.4 will not exist in Chinese government’s claim. Just like Nanjing massacre does not exist according to some Japanese right wings members.
China and Japan are more similar than they realize lol.
Isnt there web archives of it ?
the latest archive
Thanks captain !
The CCP are so scared of something they say never happened. What brave leaders that are!
I don’t think they say it didn’t happen in the sense that nothing happened. They do downplay it a lot, of course.
They still deny Tiananmen square
Like deny what? Obviously the square itself is pretty important in China, and it evidently exists ;). But yeah they completely downplay the massacre that happened way back when on that square. But it's not like they claim nothing happened at all. That wouldn't really work, I guess.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://hongkongfp.com/2021/09/29/1989-tiananmen-massacre-online-museum-blocked-in-hong-kong-three-weeks-after-police-raid-physical-site/) reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
> It comes less than two months after the site was first launched and three weeks after police confiscated exhibits at a separate, real-life museum in Hong Kong.
> The online museum had remained live after police ordered the Alliance to remove its digital presence in mid-September.
> HKBN confirmed to HKFP that it had blocked the site at the behest of the police under the security law.
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A great number of Chinese have no idea it happened. The ones that do, and speak English, ask them and they give you the party line and tell you it was good what the government did it because "they were murdering police officers". I literally have had that conversation with english speaking chinese multiple times.
The power of a dictatorship having complete control over all media is amazing to me.
You, in the West, will know a thousand times more about it then them.
This isn't correct. I explained it in detail a few days ago here
I mean, that may be your experience, but I know it hasn’t been mine. Every exchange student I’ve talked to here in the US (where that event has came up) has had little to no knowledge of what happened.
Either way, an anecdote is only evidence of an anecdote, so there’s no way of 100% knowing what’s going on.
I'm sure you have but I can assure you that my post was not based on just personal anecdotes.
There are many reasons why oversea students are reluctant to talk about it or deflect:
1. Very cautious or genuinely supporters of the CCP - the brazen ones don't tend to get the chance to leave China. Try cab drivers or hairdressers in China if you want anecdotes of people talking about it.
2. Genuine lack of interest to talk about what is national shame. I don't imagine US students are eager to talk about Guantanamo or Trail of Tears with foreigners either, especially in a second language they don't know that well.
3. Lack of knowledge of details to talk about it. While the CCP hasn't stamped out the event they have succeed in suppressing many of the granular details.
In many cases the students just want to end the topic and move on, and what better way than to play into a narrative already ingrained into Westerners minds that the average Chinese person just doesn't know about it.
Well, to your second point, I can tell you a lot of Americans are interestingly enthusiastic to discuss both of those periods of history, at least in college campuses. It’s also discussed in our required history courses, so there’s that too. Maybe it’s just a difference in culture in that regard.
The first, I dont know much about personally.
Still, I’d find it odd that my peers would be playing dumb like that and continually asking questions about what I know about such an event with the intent of stopping the conversation or shifting it.
Still, this is all unfortunately conjecture, although I do appreciate your perspective on things. After all, it’s not like we’ve got statistics on this sort of thing :/
I don't waste time talking to people that use the F word 10 times. They obviously have issues I can't solve, right?? Enjoy your communist paradise if you like it so much. I did not learn about the Tianenmen square massacre from "propaganda". I was around 10 yrs old and watched it live on television. It was broadcast live in the US and you can probably find the live footage on youtube. As a ten yr old , I found it really scary when the tanks rolled in and machine gunned everyone.
I also saw how proudly the communist government rounded up the students who had escaped and how proudly they executed them in the next few weeks to "maintain social order".
All those students wanted was a little democracy.
I wonder if you have minders from China who are watching you right now.
SAD....once again history is being whitewashed. Because of Ruler desires - which makes it worse...we in the US have the same problem, except now a few are demanding that whitewash to go away.
It appears that China is becoming weaker on a daily basis.
Why is the CCP so afraid?
What happened at tiananmen [party] should be free information
Seems like censorship has taken off worldwide lately.
Question: Does China actually teach about the Tiananmen Square incident to chinese students?