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Greater Sydney lockdown to be extended by four weeks as Covid cases continue to rise

Greater Sydney lockdown to be extended by four weeks as Covid cases continue to rise

calgary_db

Yes, but did Scott Morrison shit his pants in a maccas in 1997?


thewestcoastexpress

The most important question here, thankfully someone sees it


Rtheguy

What is going on with Australias vaccine coverage? Did Australia just not get any before or is the rollout going badly?


Ola_the_Polka

Both


elricofgrans

Last I saw, we were at 13% vaccinated. Most Australians are still not allowed access to vaccines (only the most vulnerable), as we do not have the supply. I read reports that we will not have the supply until 2022-3. The actual rollout was a complete farce too, until the States took control and let the Federal Government pretend it was all a part of their cunning plan all along (again).


Pseudonymico

The federal government are a bunch of corrupt incompetents who didn't bother buying enough vaccines, along with giving the rollout to a private company run by their mates rather than the State government organisations responsible for distributing the rest of our vaccinations every fucking year. Didn't help that the largely-Murdoch controlled media have been playing up fears around the one vaccine we have in any quantity, Astra Zeneca, to the point that a lot of people are scared to get it.


bobby_zamora

And then another 4 weeks after that?


elricofgrans

And another four weeks, and another four weeks, until you learn to stop catching COVID!


Kech555

>until you learn to stop catching COVID! Please sir, not everyone has permission to fly to Hawaii to avoid covid like scomo.


GoodAtExplaining

He what?


giacintam

Yup. During the 2019/20 bushfire that devesated people, habitat, killed a shit load of already endangered koalas & killed citizens & rescue crew alike, old mate ScoMo fucked off to Hawaii & then blamed it on his daughters really wanting to go..... Im not kidding


GoodAtExplaining

This fucking guy he’s worse than abott


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bonerland11

"To flatten the curve"


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If you ever want to be open to any other country in your lifetime (plenty of businesses depend on it) mass vaccination is the *only* long-term solution.


Kee2good4u

Guess Australia will never be open to the rest if the world again then. As no where else is going for zero covid.


dekd22

Hate to break it to you but zero Covid is never gonna happen unless you stay locked down forever


AnAussiebum

I believe they mean zero covid until the population is double vaxxed. Obviously Australia will open its borders at some point, but the government wants to wait until the population is fully vaxxed.


lca-perth

Actually that’s not quite right. We’ve had zero Covid most of the time here in Perth. Our way of life has pretty much stayed normal throughout. As soon as we got some cases, we just jumped into short, strong lockdowns of several days, and it goes back to zero. We are a population of over 2m here. It can be done!


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It works as long as you don't let anyone else into your country at all without massive quarantine which was a necessity in the short term term but is not a truly long-term solution. Mass vaccination is the only way out of that issue


analpleasuremachine

How’s the Aussie vaccination coming along? Yes I am asking a redditor instead of googling


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Less than 15% of the population, they completely missed out on supply


lca-perth

Government fluffed the rollout but we are making up ground. Over 30% first dose but less than 15% fully vaxxed. Should be all done by end of the year


DhappyG92

But not forever. The virus won’t go away. And the moment you open it will hit again.


CankleSteve

Good luck, see you next lock down after a couple more cases arise after opening up!


ApprehensiveVideo143

The last lockdown in Perth was 4 days long. Wasn't too bad, actually.


SunintheThird

Wow, this is sobering. I really hope that people who don’t have any risk factors for clotting start reconsidering AstraZeneca. I can’t bring myself to fully agree with it, but the government might have to announce a “no jab, no pay” policy as an incentive - commencing from a realistic time to have more Pfizer also available.


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MLG89

My brother’s a chef in Sydney and sadly has been out of work again because restaurants are closed - how Australia never got their shit together with vaccinations is beyond me


AnAussiebum

It is our federal government that failed us. The state governments have done reasonably well (with some mistakes, yes). But with only 15% vaccinated, and hardly any supply of vaccines, the federal Government and Scott Morrison should be ashamed. The ineptitude is shocking.


nagrom7

> The state governments have done reasonably well (with some mistakes, yes). > > Not if you're talking about the NSW government. They absolutely fucked this one up big time, and instead of a 2 week at most snap lockdown, it now currently has no end in sight, as cases are still increasing. Contrast that to the response in Victoria, South Australia, and West Australia, who all had an outbreak that came from the current NSW one, and they're all either out of lockdown, or beginning the process of leaving.


AnAussiebum

Yeah when I was referring to the 'some mistakes' part I mostly meant NSW. But there really has been no real leadership and support from the federal government. And they have botched access to vaccines.


nagrom7

Oh absolutely. Their main responsibilities this pandemic have been the border/quarantine and vaccine procurement, and both of those have been handled terribly.


Pseudonymico

Noteably, NSW is run by the same political party as the Federal Government.


YeahThatWasntSpinach

>But with only 15% vaccinated, and hardly any supply of vaccines, You have your own vaccine manufacturing capability, FFS how did Australia fuck this up this badly??


AnAussiebum

We have a Liberal federal government and Scott Morrison for prime minister. That's how we fucked it up.


YeahThatWasntSpinach

It's fucking criminal.


Pseudonymico

NB: The Liberal Party in Australia are our main conservative political party.


raustraliathrowaway

We don't have mRNA capability and no one wanted / the government recommended against the AZ after the blood clot issues


YeahThatWasntSpinach

Yup, your gov are morons. Everyone I know my age is AZ vaccinated and currently living free, clear and carefree, what utter idiocy. Your chances of serious complication from blood clots are, literally, somewhere between 1,000 and 2,000 times smaller than your risk from COVID. Additionally, ALL vaccines, and many, many medicines, have some level of blood clot risk, lots of them far worse than the clotting risk from ANY of the COVID vaccines. It's just part of the deal.


nagrom7

> Your chances of serious complication from blood clots are, literally, somewhere between 1,000 and 2,000 times smaller than your risk from COVID. > > That's the problem though, that risk calculation is actually significantly different in Australia because we don't really have Covid in most places. As a result, the risk of serious complication from a blood clot from the AZ vaccine is actually *more* than the risk of waiting a few months for a different (Pfizer) vaccine, catching Covid, and developing serious complications from that. Of course, this calculation doesn't apply in Sydney whose government doesn't seem as interested as everyone else at keeping Covid out, so for them Covid is the higher risk.


IllBiteYourLegsOff

*Small business from Ontario has entered the chat*


RaeseneAndu

Might be time to invest in horse armour.


upyoursize

For $6?? Go away Todd.


AluJack

Bethesda was actually ahead of its time with that move.


skylinestar1986

What business continues to run during the lockdown? How do the workers feel during this time?


PloppyTheSpaceship

Tired of it all. I'm on Victoria, and we're on our fifth lockdown after cases from NSW leaked over here (thanks Gladys and your "gold-plated" lockdown - oh wait, we can't call it a lockdown because it's too strong a word for what you're doing). Our business has managed to keep going, but I'm working from home, as I have done most of the the since April 2020. We got 7 hours notice for this lockdown, and I hadn't even been back at the office a week. It's typical. It's a fact of life now, I feel pretty resigned to watching the numbers and preparing myself for another lockdown. Chances are I won't be allowed back in the office again for another two weeks at least, and then who knows how long that would last? I did get my first dose of Pfizer today though. Yay me. And I actually got to travel out of my housing estate to do it! Further than 5km - the extravagance! Just sick and tired. I'm in bed now. My work PC is set up on the "temporary" desk next to me. My sister runs a gym. She's got lots of periods when she can and can't be open, and gas list a lot of money (it seems gym owners aren't eligible for government assistance). On the way to get my jab today, drove through the local CBD - everywhere was shut apart from cafes for takeout. I don't think this is the case in NSW though - even though they've got a load of cases (compared to Vic anyway - compared to other places worldwide it's still quite minute) I think a lot of places are still open. I think NSW is ordering everyone who shopped at a particular mall over an 11 day period from two weeks ago to get tested and isolate, which tells me that a lot of places are still open.


The_Humble_Braggart

You can only call it a “Lockdown” if it comes from the Lochdown region of Victoria. So NSW has to call it Sparkling Stay-At-Home.


not_right

If you're in Victoria it's a bit remiss of you not to mention that the current lockdown (for Victoria) ends in about 1 hour's time.


PloppyTheSpaceship

Some of it ends. We can actually travel around. Masks are still expected. Kids are back at school. We can't go to see people in their homes. I'm still stuck at home because hardly anyone's allowed back in offices.


PumpkinManGuy

> Kids are back at school. We can't go to see people in their homes. That seems... stupid.


happs80

Not really. Something like 80% of cases in Sydney at the moment are being passed by people living together.


PumpkinManGuy

Ah ok, that makes sense then.


jex_fex

Fuck, I hate nsw so much now, I was so sick of them dumping on us for months straight during our lockdown then they fuck us over


PloppyTheSpaceship

Don't blame the people, blame their government.


Rakrurug

Blame some of the people as well.


realmagsnus

Wasn't the Victoria lockdown a flash lockdown that only lasted a few days so that they could trace all the cases from some truck from NSW (?). I thought only NSW had to have a extended lockdown?


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It was originally five days but extended to just under two weeks while we tracked and traced exposed folk. It went from Friday one week, right through the next week, and has just ended (happy Wednesday my dudes).


bs_is_everywhere

How are businesses surviving?? Aussies must have some deep pockets.


bobbykittypoppy

I’m not, I’m 25 in Sydney and my centrelink payments are barely covering my rent after being laid off bc covid. I’m hoping this extended lockdown will bring bigger benefits because it’s not wnough


Pseudonymico

I'm hoping this extended lockdown and the general fucking shitshow will bring an end to the LNP being in power both in NSW and in the federal parliament.


happs80

Essentially this. Government handouts during lockdowns of one sort or another. Paradoxically we've had some of the lowest unemployment levels since pre 2008 financial crisis.


DaveyGee16

The low unemployment was true in Canada too, but they are false. The low unemployment numbers are there because tons of people are removing themselves from the labour market, they are therefore not counted as unemployed. See here the participation rate went down 3.1 points. So whatever the unemployment rate is, to compare to pre-covid, you have to add 3.1 points: https://www.nationalskillscommission.gov.au/12-significant-initial-impacts-australian-labour-market


TheMania

Employed persons is [considerably up](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/labour-force-australia/latest-release) on where it was pre-pandemic also. Largest factor in all of this is the decade Australia has spent foolishly chasing a never-coming surplus, pulling back financially/austerity-lite until voters aren't *quite* complaining, but growth isn't there. Eg negative gdp/capita growth, positive growth only due immigration. With the pandemic they forgot that fool's errand and actually allowed a deficit to be run intentionally, to support the economy. Many did well as a partial result of this.


raustraliathrowaway

It's because the brakes were applied to immigration. 250,000 per year (up to 400,000) on a population of 25,000,000 kept wages down and unemployment up, surprising some people.


AnAussiebum

There is also an issue with the 'underemployed' globally. Many countries count any fraction of employment as just 'employed'. Even though some of these people only work 10 hours a week and struggle to pay their bills.


Asimpbarb

Ya same here many have stoped caring and many who left work don’t want to return as additional weekly payments equate to more than their regular salary. Not to mention here in Cali the gov is paying back owed rent and forward facing rent. Combined they just stopped looking all together. I’ve never seen so many help wanted signs before


jadephantom

Underemployment levels though...


catinterpreter

Unemployment figures don't include underemployment.


bs_is_everywhere

That's cool.


jjolla888

the thing that Au benefited from has been the enactment of border controls between states. it has worked similarly to how fire breaks stop the spread of wildfires. most states have remained relatively unscathed. Vic had a hard time last year, and NSW is about to have a doozy.


PyrohawkZ

Many of them are not.


Hedphelym

They aren't. Why do you think thousands of people have been protesting this draconian lockdown?


bs_is_everywhere

Honestly. Boredom!


Hedphelym

Yeah those fathers who lost their jobs must be so bored right now with nothing else to do.


aaaaaaaarrrrrgh

If cases are on the rise despite lockdown, how is a *longer* lockdown going to help? Wouldn't they need a *harder* lockdown?


nagrom7

See you'd think so, but NSW is the gold standard remember?


siftt

Whats the end game here? Lockdown until what goal is achieved? 0 cases will never happen.


PloppyTheSpaceship

0 cases has happened quite often in Australia. Victoria has beaten back a delta outbreak, and we seem to be slowly doing so again.


star-ferry

0 cases only because your borders are closed to most of the world. How long is that sustainable?


TheMania

Until after everyone's been offered a vaccine, which is all that matters. Need to remember countries like the US have had an export ban on vaccines for what, the entire pandemic, so some things are a bit slower here. That and our Federal govt has no fking idea how to do its job, or basically anything that isn't rorting the public and corrupting our systems. The states have got us to where we are (NSW dropped the ball), Feds have kept us from progressing further sadly. From October supply for the vaccines increase substantially though, w/ >10mn doses/month.


RedditIsRealWack

>Until after everyone's been offered a vaccine, which is all that matters. That could have been done by now, had the government not been so focused on bullshit zero COVID.


nagrom7

Our focus on zero Covid had nothing do to with the vaccine rollout, it was two totally different groups responsible for those. The federal government was quite anti-lockdown and restrictions, and they were the ones who fucked up the vaccines. The states are the reason we've had 0 Covid.


cnnrduncan

How could everybody have been vaccinated by now if the US and Europe have been hogging all the vaccines? Yeah sure they could have gone for the Chinese or Russian vaccine, but there's no chance the general Australian populace would have trusted those.


RedditIsRealWack

Australian government should have written a blank cheque to big pharma to get domestic production set up. Basically what the UK did. It had no domestic vaccine production capacity, before COVID.


PloppyTheSpaceship

It's all about the vaccine now. Which admittedly Australia is being shit at.


atwa_au

That’s why the vaccine in important. It will curb the spread and lower the severity for those who do catch it, alleviating strain on hospitals and potentially lowering the lethality. Is lethality a word? Anyway, that’s my understanding.


AnAussiebum

Until the population is fully vaxxed. Then we reopen the borders. Not sure why this is hard for members of the international community to comprehend. Once our pop is fully vaxxed, we will just reopen the borders to international travelers as normal.


aubd09

Because a lot of the population have close family ties overseas. That's why a prolonged border closure greatly affects this group. I'm suffering from this right now. It takes an enormous mental toll to not be able to see my parents for this long and with no idea when things might get back to "normal".


AnAussiebum

Yeah I am currently stuck in the UK. Haven't seen my aussie family for 2 years. But until the population is 70%+ vaxxed, that is just the way it has to be. Unless we want to let the virus run rampant and kill off 1000s of aussies, unnecessarily. If the federal government did a better job accessing vaccine supply, we could have opened up already. Blame Morrison for that failure.


aubd09

>Unless we want to let the virus run rampant and kill off 1000s of aussies, unnecessarily. Believe me, I don't want that. And I don't think anyone sane does. Those who are protesting probably don't have anyone close to them suffering from COVID. I have witnessed the destruction COVID can wreck and don't want anyone to suffer from it. But when one's own mental state and livelihood come under serious fire, statements like "that is just the way it has to be" just induce more pain, depression and suicidal thoughts. It'd be interesting to know the stats on the long-term economic, social and mental impacts of COVID.


opiate_lifer

It will most likely shape if not the next 20 years then even more.


theshelfside

And then many people will still die as vaccines aren’t 100% effective. 0 Covid is only a good temporary policy. As an Australian somewhat ‘trapped’ overseas (I was studying in the UK during the first outbreak) it’s very hard for me to comprehend the isolationist head in the sand ‘we’ll just wait it out, she’ll be right mate’ dumbfuckery, without an exit plan, let alone a vax plan.


AnAussiebum

I too have been stuck in the UK for the last 18 months. Haven't seen any family for 2+ years. But regional lockdowns and international borders mostly closed, is literally saving lives. Once the adult op is mostly vaxxed, then they can reopen and we can go home.


theshelfside

Sorry to hear that and I totally agree that the current lockdowns are necessary due to no other coherent plan being In place. I think why it’s hard for the international community to comprehend is why there has been no coherent plan when such a good job was done initially and what amount of cases and deaths will Australia accept once these vaccine targets have been hit? Because that is not clear and has not been communicated, so it just seems like Australia has shot itself in the foot.


AnAussiebum

My understanding is that once 80% is hit, we will emulate the UK, and just live with covid, and stay open. The issue is, that a lot of brits and Americans are very antilockdown, and are commenting here as if Australia has turned into a prison. It has not been. Australia has had a relatively good ride, especially compared to the UK, where I feel like we have been in a nationwide lockdown for about a year in total. The federal gov just fucked up the vaccine access.


theshelfside

Where are you getting that 80% from? There was a characteristically vague 4 stage multi year exit plan that was still extremely restrictive well into next year released in June, before this outbreak. I think you’re just being defensive - the situations in Europe and the US are quite different to Australia’s so they aren’t comparable. In isolation (pun intended) Australia seems to be squandering its natural/ geographic advantage in dealing with coronavirus and others have every right to question it.


AnAussiebum

It is being reported that around the 80% mark is the vaccination goal by the federal government. I'm not being defensive, just stating facts. edit - to be more specific - the target is a vaccine offered to every adult (which would be around the 80% mark of actual vaccinated).


muchomanga

>Once our pop is fully vaxxed, we will just reopen the borders to international travelers as normal. You won't achieve a 100% vaccination rate. Even 80% is a long shot. And even people who are fully vaccinated can and will catch COVID. Some might even die from it. So yes, a "lockdown each time a new case shows up" is an unrealistic goal. Always has been.


AnAussiebum

How is 80% a longshot when the UK and several European countries are hitting above 80%-90% already? The UK has 88.2% of adults already received their first jab. 80%+ is very doable and not unrealistic.


muchomanga

Herd immunity is **not** dependant on adults only, it is dependant on all of a countrie's population. The virus won't say "oh, here's a kid, I won't infect him, I'll only infect those over 18+". More importantly...how do you think this new outbreak happened? Vaccinated people can carry the virus. They can die from the virus. They can infect others with the virus. Until the day COVID is eradicated worldwide (which will never happen), the moment you open your borders you will **always** get new cases. Fewer cases and fewer deaths? Sure. But the number will **never** be 0.


AnAussiebum

I think you have reading comprehension issues. The fact is we know that once we open borders, we will always have covid cases. That is WHY we are waiting for the adult population to be vaxxed. So that our healthcare system is not overloaded, and that adults, especially the elderly, have some form of immunity to covid from the vaccine, meaning that severe cases and deaths will be low. So, read up. This outbreak likely occurred due to infected people coming into Australia, bringing the virus, and a transmission from one or more of them to an isolation worker. That is how previous clusters have occurred. You are hungup on this number of 0. That is merely a shorterm goal while the population is vaccinated and the country is closed to the rest of the world. Once we hit our vaccine target numbers, we will open up, covid cases will increase, but the majority of vulnerable and the general population will be immune to it, and serious cases and deaths will stay low. If we open up now, then cases will skyrocket and so will unnecessary deaths. Many of the elderly population and sick are not immunised, yet.


_MildlyMisanthropic

> Some might even die from it. *will


_MildlyMisanthropic

you do realise that the vaccine doesn't 100% stop infection, transmission, illness and death don't you? Fully vax != end of covid. Australia is just delaying the inevitable.


AnAussiebum

Back to 0 cases amongst the community, and the population is fully vaxxed. Not sure why people struggle with understanding this goal. It has been achieved several times in previous lockdowns. But then unfortunately someone in quarantine passes it to a worker and it spreads from there, or people break the isolation rules causing a mini outbreak. Short term goal is back to 0 community transmissions. Longterm goal is a fully vaxxed population and then reopening borders.


count_frightenstein

Maybe but that would mean a robust vaccine strategy which Australia doesn't have. They literally thought they could sit this out and were wrong. Now shitty vaccine plans and lockdowns rule the day.


AnAussiebum

Who would have guessed that a Liberal federal government would be incompetent enough to drop the ball on a serious issue like a pandemic. /s


Gnorris

70-80% is the vax goal for no more large scale lockdowns


AnAussiebum

That is very easily doable when we get access to supply. Several european countries and the UK have already hit 90%+ for first shot/double vaxxed adults.


hu6Bi5To

> Back to 0 cases amongst the community, and the population is fully vaxxed. OK, I get that bit. > Not sure why people struggle with understanding this goal. But what I don't get is what happens then... what happens when a Covid case gets in, and vaccination levels are 70, 80, 90%. Are they going to lockdown then? Or just let it go? If they let it go, there'll be cases and deaths, albeit at significantly lower levels than pre-vaccine. If there's not going to be infinite lockdowns, then there can't be zero cases, regardless of vaccine take up. I can't believe for a minute that infinite lockdowns are going to be politically acceptable, but then there doesn't seem to be any consensus on acceptable deaths either. Transitioning from one to the other is going to be interesting to see how that plays out.


Sqin

I feel like everyone is repeating themselves to you guys. The plan is that everyone is offered the vaccine and then we reopen and lockdowns stop. There is a covid Australia plan you can look up if you're interested, instead of going in circles.


AnAussiebum

No. Once the community hits 80% plus vaccinated, there should be no more lockdowns. Australia has no plans for zero cases forever. Just until we get vaccination levels to an acceptable level. Then we just open up, no more lockdowns. No more international travel bans, and hope for the best.


JigsawPig

You will never get 0 cases, even with a fully-vaxed population, unless the borders never re-open. Vaccines are around 90% effective.


AnAussiebum

We have had zero cases. Previous lockdowns have brought the case of community transmission down to zero before. You don't appear to be well educated about the history of Australian covid cases.


JigsawPig

Well, I have had zero cases of Covid in my flat, due to no one else having been in it for over a year. Unless vaccinations are 100% effective, which they aren't, then there will always be community transmission once you start allowing people in.


AnAussiebum

Yeah but that is literally the point. Australia wants to maintain zero cases in the community (excluding international arrivals in quarantine), up until we have 80%+ full vaccinated population. Then no more lockdowns and international borders will open. That is why we still have regional short term lockdowns, to maintain a zero case. The Australian government recognises that once we open international borders community transmission will spike and be impossible to stop. But that is why they are keeping those borders closed until we have our population double vaxxed. Your flat analogy is stupid, as Australia is currently allowing people to travel in and out of it, but under very strict rules, testing, isolation, quarantining and low numbers. I suspect you are not well informed about how Australia has been handling covid for the past 18 months. Since your comments make no sense.


benderbender42

We've had 0 cases nation wide for periods of time quite a few time, saying it'll never happen again is silly


WoodSheepClayWheat

Are you expecting this for the rest of your life? Is there any debate about the societal cost of lockdown vs saving a very small amount of life?


mickey_kneecaps

Just until the vaccine has been administered to a sufficient number of people. Unfortunately the rollout has been very slow due to the government screwing up acquisition and the media giving people safety doubts, but it’s still likely to be completed sometime next year.


TheMania

Snap lockdowns as employed by states other than NSW allow for a much more normal life. Here in WA, for instance, we've had 9 days spent in lockdown since May 2020. Nightclubs closed for 6 weeks in the last year. It's manageable. What NSW did was the opposite - tried a contact tracing without locking down approach, and didn't give delta the respect it deserves. Now it doesn't have many options left, because our vaccination rate is currently 1/4 that of Florida - blame the Feds. Work in progress.


AnAussiebum

Until the population is fully vaxxed. Then we reopen the borders. Not sure why this is hard for members of the international community to comprehend. Once our pop is fully vaxxed, we will just reopen the borders to international travelers as normal.


WoodSheepClayWheat

I wasn't asking about international travel, and I don't think OP was either. We're having problems comprehending the lockdowns and imprisonment at home for single cases of Covid. That's never going to end.


AnAussiebum

You said 'are you expecting this for the rest of your life'. I answered you. No, lockdowns are a temporary measure to limit community transmission up until the population is fully vaxxed. Then lockdowns will not be needed and all borders will open, national and international.


benderbender42

Because its exponential growth. 10 cases per day now is 100 next week. And if you do a lock down that early the lockdown usually only lasts like 5-8 days or something. If you wait longer you end up in these 4-8 week lockdowns. So doing a 5 day snap lockdown, then life can go back to normal with virtually no infection rate is much better


benderbender42

Well when there are zero cases per day everything's completely open, tou can travel interstate, we could travel to New zealand. the economy's completely open. Night clubs and bars are completely open. I went to a few festivals with like 1000 people because the country was clear at the time. So its much cheaper, better for the economy and it saves lives at the same time, better for everyone to do early snap lockdowns. If you don't do lock downs or wait too long you end up having to lockdown for much longer, its more costly for the economy and for mental health etc.


YeahThatWasntSpinach

We've been at this a year and a half and you still haven't figured this out? It's almost impressive. Lockdowns exist to ensure healthcare system capacity.


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Will12239

NZ has barely more people than my city and it's on an island. Not exactly a high bar. South Korea has been doing it right since day 1


katsukare

South Korea has over 2,000 deaths


RyusDirtyGi

New Zealand has a larger population of sheep than humans.


AnAussiebum

That is true of several countries. [SOURCE](https://getrawmilk.com/content/list-of-countries-with-more-sheep-than-people-numbers-and-ratios-2020) Including Australia and Ireland.


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dinosaur1831

I don't think zero cases will happen again. The increased spreadability of delta means that typical lockdown measures from last year (Victoria's 2nd wave) are not enough on their own to stop infections. Victoria and other states have been able to deal with recent delta outbreaks through a combination of lockdowns and extensive contact tracing. But Sydney waited way too long to lockdown, and is now clearly well beyond their contact tracing capacity. Thus I don't see them getting this under control (at least not without vaccines anyway).


dovetc

"We did it, Patrick! We saved ~~the city~~ Australia!"


bobby_zamora

Not sure you know what end game means? Is Australia going to have sporadic lockdowns forever? When will they stop? When will they start accepting cases?


AnAussiebum

Until the population is fully vaxxed. Then we reopen the borders. Not sure why this is hard for members of the international community to comprehend. Once our pop is fully vaxxed, we will just reopen the borders to international travelers as normal.


bobby_zamora

Fully vaxxed meaning what though? 90% of adults double vaxxed, what if your hesitancy is more than that?


AnAussiebum

If it is then we just enforce our current vaccination laws. We have laws that require vaccinations for certain payments and to do certain undertakings already. Covid would be covered by these laws. I think 90%+ is a good goal. Several countries in Europe and the UK have met or exceeded 90%.


Gadrane

You gonna post this everywhere my guy?


AnAussiebum

I posted it twice to two different people who both asked or were confused about the same issue, my guy. Edit - 3 times to 3 different people all uninformed about Australia's current pathway to opening up.


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bobby_zamora

I'm asking questions about the end game for Australia.


yipape

Vaccination is the end game what the f do you think.


bobby_zamora

I see I'm not going to get anything useful out of this conversation.


yipape

Because you don't want to have a conversation you want to repeat the same rubbish question when you have the answer. Vaccination is the endgame. But I don't think you want that so you'll just go 'but what's the endgame' still like some mindless goldfish for whatever reason you have.


Scrimping-Thrifting

I have had 2 x Pfizer jabs. If every eligible person in Australia had 2 jabs, would we open up? I think a lot of people in Australia are starting to worry that there is no end, because the Pfizer jab is already obsolete. It won't stop spread of new strains or mutation and Africa and Asia will never be up to date on the latest vaccines for herd immunity for the new strains... so we will always have some new strain coming in that we aren't vaccinated for. So the question they are asking is are we going to be in and out of lockdown forever and is that a better outcome holistically when you consider the mental and economic tolls, which also lead to mortalities?


AnAussiebum

Of course once the population is fully vaxxed we will open up. To think we will be in lockdown for decades is ridiculous.


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AnAussiebum

Are you a conspiracy theorist? What the fuck are you on about?


mrhjt

Maybe they should protest it more, that seemed to work the first time.


No_Biscotti_7110

“Zero Covid” is an unsustainable strategy


YeahThatWasntSpinach

Why?


No_Biscotti_7110

You have to go on lockdown every time a case is detected, and shutting down society for months in end is not sustainable.


RogerSterlingsFling

Sydney failed because its consevative government was too slow to lock down. Melbourne was similar ladt year and suffered as a result. Both cities experienced this latest delta outbreak at the same time but melbourne acted faster and are now experiencing close to zero cases. The ones they do have are contained in isolation and genome tracked The rest of the country lock down hard and quickly, at most 5-10 days depending upon the severity and as a result the economy in brisbane for instance is stronger than pre covid. There are some industries like tourism that suffer sure, but most are booming right now with few restrictions for the last 28 months


Limberine

As a Sydneysider…..yes, what he said. Our shitty state govt is more concerned about keeping bogans and business leaders happy short term than doing what needs to be done. The delay was infuriating followed by a soft lockdown which was also infuriating and now we are probably fucked.


YeahThatWasntSpinach

You're aware there are vaccines, right? How do you think we got to zero smallpox? or zero polio?


tunafan6

You must be completely out of touch with high vaccinated countries. Just take a look at Israel, if zero covid truly is the strategy of Australia the lock downs indeed will last forever. Can't really say what your people suggest the policy to be but all in all its a naive hope - science is very clear on that.


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FeFiFoShizzle

I don't think you understand. This is how every vaccine on the planet works. The covid vaccine aren't different. Every single vaccine that has ever been rolled out does the same thing as the covid vaccines. Every. Single. One. All of them. I don't know how to explain this better. All vaccines that have ever been created in history not only prevent you from getting whatever it's vaccinating against, but also make you less susceptible to symptoms. They are never 100% effective in stopping whatever it is. The covid vaccine is the exact same. It prevents infection but if you do get infected, the symptoms will be milder and keep you out of the Hospital. Again one more time because this is a massive misunderstanding on your part. This is how every other vaccine in history and every vaccine for the foreseeable future works and will work. Every single vaccine in the history and forseeable future of vaccines works the same as a covid vaccine does. You eradicate what you are vaccinating against by getting the *vast majority* of people vaccinated. This is how it's always worked and covid is the exact same.


YeahThatWasntSpinach

There hasn't been a documented case of smallpox since 1978.


realmilesobrien

It's almost as if protesting the lockdown was a guaranteed way of making sure it would be extended


DarthYippee

We've got to wait a few days before we know if there was any spread at the protests. But yeah, it was absolute fucking stupidity.


nagrom7

Don't worry, this extension was coming before those protests, but yeah good chance they might have guaranteed the next extension.


dovetc

The beatings will continue until morale improves.


Alintoncz

Insanity by insane politicians


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Ridiculous


jermsw

Remember when these headlines used to say deaths and now it's just cases.....


Jerri_man

They've always been cases here since we've kept them low and so had few deaths.


crash-oregon

Damn...I live in one of the most woke states in the US and we are wide open. These Australian politicians are fucked.


AnAussiebum

You also have way more covid deaths than Australia ever will have per 100k population. And for the most part, Australia has been open the past 18 months with only temporary regional lockdowns, like this one. Australia handled covid much better than the US. Both for the economy and the general wellbeing of its citizens.


BudgetGovernment

Well, in some ways they handled it better. In terms of vaccinations they are clearly way way behind, but idk why that is the case. Government ineptitude? Lost the global bidding wars for the vaccines? Thought they could just vibe check this one out? My partner is Australian and her Facebook feed is really anti-vax compared to what I experience in western Canada. Obviously anecdotal, but yeah the no vaccines thing is weird.


RogerSterlingsFling

The issue with vaccinations was they originally ordered enough Astra Zeneca to cover the population by now, however medical advice was concerned with the small clotting risk so they advised no one under 50 were to receive it. Unlike britain who were seeing thousands die a day, most places had single digit deaths for the entire 18 months, so a vaccine killing at a greater rate was silly Unfortunately the pfizer supplies are highly sort after so currently the small numbers that are available are feeding essential health care workers etc Add to this now older australians are spooked so are holding out for october when pfizer supplies arrive


AnAussiebum

It is because the lockdowns and most of the covid defence setup is state run and managed. Meanwhile vaccine access is the role of the federal government. The federal government is embarrassingly inept. No leadership. The state governments as a whole have done much better than the federal government. Except NSW. They fucked up.


Limberine

Her Facebook feed is anti vax because she friends morons and looks up anti vax stuff so it gives her more.


tunafan6

You have also become even more xenophobic island. Hurrr the immigrants bring sickness.


AnAussiebum

I mean, they quit literally do. But the border closure also prevents aussie citizens like myself from returning. That is not xenophobia. It is protecting my fellow citizens, moron.


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The wokest part of the United States is still more conservative and retarded than most places in the world.


Big_Lumby

Imagine actually believing this


red_foot_blue_foot

LOL the world isn't western europe.


tunafan6

Western Europe is far more conservative on social issues than California as an example. There's no question about it if you have visited the both places, Americans at some places at batshit insane with the wokeness.


roborobert123

Is it really that bad to warrant this?


OTKALLDAY

Funny how Australia was once a prison... they’ve come full circle!


DarthYippee

>Funny how Australia was once a prison... As was the US, you know.


AnAussiebum

Looking at the stats of incarcerated americans, the US is much more of a prison than Australia. 🤣


DarthYippee

Today, yeah, absolutely.


AnAussiebum

I find it so weird that Americans think referring to Australia as an ex-penal colony is such a big insult. Just a basic glance at metrics governing, wages, healthcare, education, life expectancy, citizen satisfaction, infant mortality, gun violence, gang violence, incarceration numbers, Australia is dominating those stats compared to the US.


DarthYippee

>I find it so weird that Americans think referring to Australia as an ex-penal colony is such a big insult. Insult or not, they were *both* penal colonies.


kenbewdy8000

Yes, extremely funny. I fell off my chair with laughter. Thanks for that.


HankScorpioOfGlobex

Piss off wanker


Gbrown546

Australia are handling this so badly now


BarryWentworth

Zero covid is the way. We are very close to [r=12](https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD/status/1418744819002732546?s=20) which would be unstoppable. And not to mention even mild infections can cause brain damage. >https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext This virus contains a [super antigen](https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1417435633212182552?s=20) (Source PHD t-cell immunolgist) and should be treated as a national security risk. There is no herd immunity as [coronaviruses reinfect]( https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/covid-19-reinfection-and-you). In conclusion, I'll leave you with this standard neurological test showing rapid decline in a normal 11 year old. >https://twitter.com/ahandvanish/status/1419458545184034821?s=20


mjsisko

So riddle me this with an article that is very outdated. If reinfection is such a concern, how did Italy or NYC ever get ahead?


YeahThatWasntSpinach

>If reinfection is such a concern, how did Italy or NYC ever get ahead? Vaccination.


mjsisko

Oh I agree but the OP I was asking claims that reinfection is a major concern regardless of vaccination


YeahThatWasntSpinach

Sorry, I misunderstood. By any metric I have found reinfection is not a concern, it happens but rarely with serious symptoms.


slowlyreadingpages

What is the total case count now? A quick google of the population of greater Sydney states its almost 6 million. 175/6mil to justify a 4 week lockdown? Am I missing something here?


AndyDaMage

Because, 4 weeks ago it was just "just 20 or so cases, why do we need a lockdown?", until those 20 turned into 100 and they started losing control of the situation. Covid has a 2 week delay, so your numbers are always lagging behind reality. Every other state has locked down for a week or 2 as soon as soon as cases got to double figures, it's worked every time and most Australians have had no restrictions since August last year. NSW thought they knew better and didn't lockdown immediately, and now have to lockdown for months because of it. If they open up again now, that number is just going to keep rising and our hospitals are not equipped to handle thousands of sick people. It would also mean every other state would close borders to NSW for the foreseeable future, since if covid is running rampant, it puts the rest of the covid-free country at risk.