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amaezingjew

...is that even legal?


Cannon1

He was subletting a room in someone's home to cut down on his weekly commute. He wasn't homeless.


ggggggggggggunit

That still doesn’t excuse the surgeon being evicted in my opinion


Luckboy28

I'm on the fence here. That's a *huge* safety concern. I'm hearing that most coronavirus doctors aren't going anywhere near their families at the moment. So yeah, I could see how somebody wouldn't want that risk in their house. EDIT: Guys, please understand that this doctor was renting a *room* in somebody's *home.* We're not talking about somebody renting a property across town. There's a lot of risk/exposure with having somebody walk through your own house that's potentially infected. Healthcare workers need the ability to self-isolate during this pandemic, and that's something that the government and/or the hospitals should be helping them get.


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I’m a fellow in a different state than my family. I’m lucky, I don’t need to make the decision to stay away from family. But if I were in the same state? Yeah I’d rent a room or buy a tent. Doctors are becoming pariahs. Nurses are becoming pariahs. It’s sad


UptightSodomite

In Hawaii, the hotels are offering free rooms to frontline healthcare workers that need to protect their families.


lebookfairy

This should be a thing in every state.


NoFascistsAllowed

But how will I profit off of that? - landlord


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Literally some landlords in the UK. It's fuckin gross.


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Landlords only want one thing and it’s fucking disgusting


nosteppyonsneky

Not in this case. The landlady is literally foregoing profit out of fear for her safety.


ButterflyAttack

Too many people in the UK regard housing as an investment. The rental market has become toxic.


[deleted]

Most landlords in London. They want people to live like stray dogs. And they are succeeding.


ZlipnitGG

Most landlords are not flushed with cash, most just cover mortgage and insurance. If they can afford to help renters, they more than often will. For some reason people don’t understand this. There are however some disgusting people out there


faithle55

Time to think straight. If you let out a house or a flat to someone else, or a family, then the rules about recovery of possession are still in existence. More strongly, actually, as there is now a moratorium on bringing or continuing and enforcing possession proceedings in court. Also, if you let out a room in your own home to a lodger, the rules have not changed. In that situation the landlord is given far more scope for asking the lodger to leave - this is obviously right. If your tenant is a slob and leaves the kitchen and bathroom in a mess then it's not really a problem if he lives a mile away, but it would be a problem if it's your own home. Likewise, if he's a prime covid-19 risk it's not a concern if he's merely a tenant, but if he's a lodger then English law has always given you the right to get him out after giving 'reasonable notice' to quit. I personally would do the same thing. I'd hate it, but my interest in staying alive would be more powerful than my interest in ensuring health workers have a place to live.


Sweetguy88

OYO Hotels and Airbnb are offering rooms to healthcare workers for free.


damendred

Esp since most hotels are more than half empty right now.


entheogenocide

I work at large hotel in a major city. Right before we closed, the hotel agreed to let the hotel be used to house medical professionals in an emergency. And in an extreme situation, the hotel rooms would be temporary hospital rooms.


TacoMedic

>And in an extreme situation, the hotel rooms would be temporary hospital rooms. I’m surprised this isn’t a widespread thing yet. We’ve all seen the videos of beds lined up end to end in the hospital hallways. Eventually they’re no longer going to have the room anywhere and they’re going to have to either put them in a tent or demand the hotels.


ic33

Convention centers and fairgrounds are being repurposed in the SF Bay Area for possible overflow use (mostly for people finishing recuperation and not severe cases). We've seen the same with e.g. the tent in Central Park in NY. Hotels might be a great quarantine/isolation solution, but it sure would be a pain to use them to house patients you actually want to treat in any way, IMO.


billthejim

The football field in Seattle is repurposed now as well.


PlankWithANailIn

Hotels aren't as clean as they seem. I guess they can put people they know are going to die in them but I wouldn't want to be in one.


Spinningwoman

We’ve got local hotel/apartments advertising on Facebook as being ‘ideal for self isolating’.


ehwhythough

Same in Manila, Philippines where a lot of the hospitals with the cases are. The city is housing the health care workers in hotels and motels since the start of our lockdown about 22 days ago. They have a free shuttle to service them to and fro the hospitals. This should be a default everywhere at this point. Who else will use these hotels in a pandemic?


varro-reatinus

Literally what my college is doing. All the rooms (and they're fucking nice rooms) of students who have gone home, and all of the hotel-style short-term stay rooms have been given to NHS workers who need a pied-a-terre in the city. Oh, and free food from the halls. Which is also unbelievably good.


lostparis

> Oh, and free food from the halls. Which is also unbelievably good. Where is this? When I was in hall the food was atrocious


tea-in-the-morning

Oh, brilliant!! I'll look up the names and stay in those chains next time I go traveling!


Jiend

I wouldn't say pariahs, no one WANTS them to stay away. It's just a sad "it's best for now" situation. But everyone out there in the front lines against this thing is an absolute hero in everyone's eyes. Much love to you and everyone else in the medical field having a tough time these days.


SlumShadey

My mom is an RN and a wound nurse at a hospital being quickly affected day by day and it sucks that we have to cancel plans to see her and the rest of my family in close proximity to her just to be safe. I’m just hoping some day this blows over so me and my fiance can go back for family game night


Nebuchadnezzer2

> it sucks that we have to cancel plans to see her and the rest of my family in close proximity to her just to be safe Could try and do vid-calls [or regular calls] instead. If you're aware of when she tends to finish, maybe a call after work whenever possible?   Little shit like that often makes all the difference. Hope she [and you/the rest of your family] come out unscathed.


SlumShadey

Thank you I’m hoping so too, we do call every so often and sometimes they will drive over and drop of little care packages for me, but aside from that no real interaction or being around eachother. Thank you for the ideas and kind words in these confusing times.


northerncal

It will pass, just have to tough it out but it will end.


kiivara

The sucky part is the people catty corner to the medical field are getting destroyed. I'm a phlebotomist. I can't visit my family and I'm not even issued proper protective gear. Not only that but we've got a million extra mandates, we're limited staff when mobile because of the gatherings of 10 rule, and we're being ran ragged because instead of big sites we're being forced to work double time in smaller ones.


Misstori1

Am phlebotomist too. My mom had a heart attack this week. I dropped every thing and got ready to drive the 5 hours to her, packed up my car, and then realized I couldn’t visit her. She’s ok, it just sucks.


karnata

I hope your mom is doing better. My mom and I were talking the other day about how she needs to stay home. She agreed and said, "The only thing I would leave for is if my mother had a serious medical problem and I needed to go to her." (She lives alone several hours away.) I reminded her that she wouldn't even be allowed in the hospital. She got real quiet and said, "Oh, I guess you're right." I could hear the heartbreak in her voice, realizing that there's nothing she can do about this situation.


myonlineidentity9090

Awww bummer


togrob

I'm sorry to hear that, thank you for your continued efforts and I hope things get easier for you and your team soon.


TBAnnon777

When i heard that nurses and doctors have to BUY THEIR OWN uniforms and protective gear in the US, i was seriously stunned by the stupidity of it. I mean are hospitals hurting that much financially that they cant afford to pay for clothes and changing rooms? Do hospitals never discuss the possibility of nurses and doctors carrying various pathogens out of the hospital and mingling with the public? I mean talk about capitalism eating human lives. FFS america you guys need to get seriously furious about the shitshow that has been revealed. From Fucking Trump STEALING supplies bought by other countries. ALLIED COUNTRIES. to fucking this travesty of fucking nurses and doctors having to buy, clean and change their infected clothes in their own communities and homes.... is capitalism really that important? edit: sources https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/ftp6lm/fr_the_usa_is_paying_to_reroute_palettes_of/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/french-officials-describe-assault-course-nations-obtain-protective/ > “I have a small unit in the region working around the clock with our purchasers to win markets. And it is true that on the (airport) tarmac, the Americans pull out cash and pay three or four times more for orders that we have made, so you really have to fight.”...


BracketStuff

They pay for their uniforms? And no changing rooms?... Wtf? I guess that explains why people are so often in uniform at home in American sitcoms. I always thought that was weird.


CatattackCataract

There are changing rooms in the hospitals I've been to. Also, someone in the comments mentioned they did not have to pay for their uniforms, but I know my mother and I did, so YMMV.


Cyno01

It is weird for a lot of professions, but laundry service for employee uniforms is a thing of the past. Even before all this id always get grossed out seeing people out in public in scrubs...


meommy89

Amen!!


Melenina

Buying cute scrubs is a thing. My sister didn’t want basic. She asked me to buy her some of these. https://www.jaanuu.com/collections/womens-tops/ But, I fear without laundry (because many laundromats are closed) and working long hours some workers won’t even have clean scrubs in places like nyc.


TheLordDrake

Trump stole what?! I hadn't heard about that


RadiationTitan

Pariah isn’t the right word. People know they’re heroes. Like the person who cleans up the baby diarrhea on the supermarket floor. Thank you lady you rock! Also I’m not walking close to you because you smell like shit- but you still rock.


Qubeye

Speaking for someone who understands what you're going through, you aren't a pariah -- we are extremely grateful, we just don't want to get sick. Thank you.


thebrandedman

That's what I've been seeing as well. I'm a paramedic, and people are very appreciative and kind- just from a distance. And I don't blame them.


Officer_Hotpants

Huh, I've just experienced people being complete assholes to me. I've only been out in public to pick up groceries a couple times, and once was in my clean scrubs before a shift. That was a mistake I won't make again. Had a couple different people harass me about it.


thebrandedman

Really? I've seen nothing but friendliness. Distance, yes, but never anything I'd consider asshole-ish.


Officer_Hotpants

Yeah, but then again I live around a lot of older wealthy people (I got lucky and found a cheap apartment in the area). A lot of them just don't care and are regularly kind of dicks anyway, this is just amping things up.


nipsliplip

I'm not even a nurse, just a PPE Spotter. We help everyone in the ICU get gowned and gloved before going in to isolation rooms, then safely out of the PPE again. I can't afford a second apartment or room so my girlfriend and child are at risk. I'm terrified that they'll get it from me but I don't know what else to do.


KnightofNoire

Yea, same here in my country. Nurses and Doctors are getting evicted. The worse part is that a lot of these nurses and doctors are there because the government asked them to. So now a lot of doctors and nurses are in some remote ass villages and homeless. People are fucking dumb sometimes evicting the only doctor and nurses in miles.


rescuepuppies

Thank you for all you’re doing while away from your family.


Quadruplem

My hospital has rented us rooms in hotels to help protect our families if we want to use them.


Luckboy28

That's fantastic =)


b0r3dw0rk3r

Fiancee's uncle is a surgeon. He won't let anyone in his house, and told everyone to treat his house as ground zero and stay away


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loljetfuel

> we don’t deserve to be turfed out without notice during these difficult times regardless of what it is we do No one deserves that, ever. There's a reason why proper rental arrangements usually come with legal protections that prevent people from being evicted without a bunch of notice and a chance to dispute. To kick someone out without any attempt at decency because they _might_ pose an additional health risk given their job is to save others' lives is just a human being shitty. Even if they were high-risk themselves, which might justify some extreme measures, the decent thing to do is to figure something out together, not just "fuck you, bye".


faithle55

1. He was a lodger. There is no legislation which says what notice he would be entitled to, but common law says he's entitled to 'reasonable notice'. That brings us on to point 2. This was not his home; he lived elsewhere. He took lodgings because it was more convenient for the daily commute to the hospital where he worked. So what would 'reasonable notice' be in the circumstances?


Luckboy28

The problem is that it sounded like he was renting a room in the owners house. That means that they're walking in your front door, they're walking through your house, etc. There's infinitely more personal exposure there than it just being a random tenant that lives across town in one of your properties.


[deleted]

>That being said, we do deserve a place to rest Absolutely. You deserve stable lodging. It's just not fair to place the burden on individual landlords. E.g. what if they are over 60 and have diabetes? The burden should be on the government, which should rent out entire hotels and give free lodging to any healthcare worker who wants a room. The hotels are empty right now, so it's perfect.


sbiff

> The government should rent out entire hotels and give free lodging to any healthcare worker who wants a room. And what about those tenants who contract the disease who aren't healthcare workers? Are they to be SoL?


oLevdgo

The state and hospitals should be making arrangements for their healthcare workers to self isolate, maybe using some of those fancy hotels getting no business right now. Healthcare workers will need to sacrifice but they should not sacrifice alone.


Luckboy28

Absolutely. Healthcare workers should be provided ways to self isolate through this time.


ggggggggggggunit

I agree with you, I wouldn’t exactly want that near me either. It’s just I think it could’ve been handled in a more positive way, like maybe asking the surgeon to stay away for a while? Evicting him seems a bit cruel especially during these trying times when a better solution could have been reached.


[deleted]

Another article said that she expressed her concerns to him a week prior, and then told him later that he needed to be out as soon as possible. He then took his stuff and drove to his actual home. That's not exactly tossing him out on the street.


Luckboy28

I don't really see a middle ground, though. If you can't go home for the foreseeable future, then you're evicted. You'd have to move your stuff somewhere else anyway.


massotravler

So when you have the virus and they have the right to turn you away? Its a double edge sword. He is a legal paying tent.


[deleted]

Well if he's a tent it shouldn't be hard to find a camp ground he can set himself up in.


CornWallacedaGeneral

I spoke to camp ground Mansion,he said tent could set up at his place👍🏽


ggggggggggggunit

Well people go on long vacations and still get to keep their homes, and as long as rent is being paid who cares? Seeing how pandemics are temporary he wouldn’t necessarily have to move his stuff.


Luckboy28

Sure. I just assumed he wouldn't want to pay rent for a room that he wasn't using. But I'm sure they would have allowed them to stay, if they were willing to pay rent but never show up.


knightress_oxhide

I assume if you got covid you wouldn't risk a doctors life by going to the hospital.


NerimaJoe

It's awfully hypocritical, people going out every night and applauding and banging pots and pans to show support for the NHS and then to say it's OK to evict healthcare workers because of COVID-19 fears. Yay! for making empty gestures, Boo! for showing actual support.


Luckboy28

The problem is that it sounded like he was renting a room in the owners house. That means that they're walking in your front door, they're walking through your house, etc. There's infinitely more personal exposure there than it just being a random tenant that lives across town in one of your properties. The better solution is for the taxpayers, or the hospitals, to provide living arrangements for their doctors so that they can self-isolate while off-duty.


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NerimaJoe

Nobody needs to evict anybody. This is not a binary decision situation.


faithle55

It pretty much is. She owns a home, he's renting a room in it. I cannot see why on earth you think it would be reasonable to force her to continue to share living space with someone who represents a serious risk of catching a lethal disease merely because of a financial arrangement.


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[deleted]

Yea, it's complicated. It sucks but, I sympathize. It's super stressful living with my girlfriend who works in a hospital. She comes home and tells me people who she works with may have been exposed, but she doesn't know exactly who and exactly when. We don't know if she had contact with them since exposure. We just have to be as careful as we can. She strips down as soon as she gets home, clothes go in the washing machine, she takes a shower. I already did most of the cooking, now I do all of it. I'm not really worried about me, but she's asthmatic, so, if she gets it there's a risk of complications. If the shoe was on the other foot, and I was the high risk one, I would absolutely get an AirBnB or sleep in my office or something.


Luckboy28

I live with some immune-compromised people, so if I get sick, I'm either going to be in a hospital or in a tent outside my house.


knightress_oxhide

I could also see how a doctor says fuck it and stops going to work.


Luckboy28

Yep, me too.


chefkocher1

There are hundreds of solutions to establish physical distancing and mitigate risks without straight up evicting tenants that are currently fighting for our communities. The response to his website shows that there are plenty of people showing compassion and realising that we are in this crisis together. Besides, what is a >coronavirus doctor Are we now labelling those working for us at the frontline? The guy is an orthopedic surgeon.


TheCrawfishBandit

I mean I'd offer a trade off. Have my close place and I'll take yours to keep free of infection


MinorAllele

I'm with you here, it's a shitty thing to do at this time, but need more information. If I was a vulnerable person or lived with one would i fuck want to live with someone who has a relatively high chance of bringing coronavirus into my home, especially when they live with you to cut down on commute and you know you're not turfing them out onto the street. ​ I have siblings who are doctors and they are staying FAR away from me, our parents, their friends and family... etc.


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The huge safety concern is not supporting front line healthcare workers. Full stop.


Luckboy28

I never said we shouldn't support them. It's almost like there's more than one solution to any given problem.


Uncle_gruber

I'm a pharmacist I'm sleeping in a different bed to my wife, I'm not even that at risk of infection compared to doctors (although 111 appears to keep sending suspected cases into pharmacies despite EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS NOT TO). I can see why they would want him out. Still doesn't sit well with me but most people will look after their own first and foremost.


propargyl

In South Australia they set up ['health heroes hotel'](https://www.miragenews.com/health-heroes-hospital/) to keep at risk workers separate from their families.


[deleted]

My very close friend is currently working directly on the front line in one of Londons major hospitals. She has no family in the UK so she's had to send her daughter over to Portugal to stay with them. She's all alone and I can't even go make sure she's okay. This is the sacrifice she has to make to protect her family and friends, I can't even imagine what she's going through.


Z0idberg_MD

The vast vast majority of HCW are going home to their families. There are a lot more front line staff than peope. The “doc through the door” makes the news but it’s not the norm.


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Sub letting is actually illegal so i mean its swings and roundabouts


SalvareNiko

It does though. A lot of medical workers arent even staying with their own family for safety concerns why should someone be forced to allow them to stay with theirs or near them. It's not OK to force people to put themselves at risk. In situations like this the state needs to do better quarantining not just patients but medical staff as well. Meaning providing places for them to stay away from others.


faithle55

Not 'subletting'. Subletting involves the owner (or head landlord) parting with possession. He was a 'lodger'.


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NotFromReddit

Oh. This is understandable to some degree actually.


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wolfgang784

I like how nobody answered your question about the legality of it and just decided to yell about moral opinions.


phphulk

As someone who has opinions, I feel that...


archtmag

Well if an action is legal but immoral, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be pissed off about it.


wolfgang784

Yea but that doesnt change that OPs original question was entirely ignored in favor of the moral debate.


Llordric26

They’re doing that here in the Philippines every day. Last week 5 men doused a health worker with bleach while coming home from his shift.


sailor_bat_90

That's so fucked up. People are fucking stupid.


ThickAsPigShit

UK has very good laws to protect tenants with lease agreements. If you are just a lodger (renting a room "off the books") then you have almost no protections. Big gap in UK laws which I hope can be fixed.


theModge

>Unlike the rest of Europe the UK has very lax protection for tenants. In this case i.e. the landlord Unlike the rest of Europe the UK has very lax protection for tenants. When the landlord lives with you (i.e. you're a lodger) they can do pretty much whatever the fuck they like, with no need to have a good reason. In the more normal situation that the landlord doesn't live with you do do have some protection and that has recently (and temporarily) been increased, but nothing like you do in e.g. Italy.


vickylaa

Depends if he was paying rent weekly, if you're a lodger, meaning the landlord also lives in the property, then you have much less rights and the notice required is usually just one week/ month but in practical terms most people just leave early rather than continuing to live with the dickhead who is chucking them out (source: work in UK law and have a lodger).


Gitrow

For those who do not want to be overwhelmed with the amount of ADS on this site (JFC): A surgeon who was asked to leave his lodgings over his landlord's Covid-19 infection fears has set up a successful website to match vacant rooms to NHS workers in need. Joseph Alsousou, an orthopaedic surgeon, had to leave the room he rented after his live-in landlady told him she worried he might give her coronavirus. The 43-year-old, who works at Oxford University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, took to social media to tell his story two weeks ago and has since found a new place to stay. He used his experience to set up the rooms4nhs.com website, aimed at matching NHS staff in need of accommodation and members of the public or businesses offering rooms for free or knock-down rates. Mr Alsousou said he got the idea after being 'overwhelmed' by messages of support from the public, offering him a place to stay. He said: 'I saw people who had suffered the same problems or had just struggled to get accommodation. 'Many NHS staff, doctors and nurses are being redeployed, moved from one department to another. 'For example our elective work has been cancelled, so I am now helping with trauma surgery. 'It can often mean being sent to a different geographical area, so I thought why not take that public support to connect people offering me a residence to others who still need it.' Having set up the site on Wednesday, he has already had 500 messages from people offering rooms, flats, annexes, cottages, and even 'entire houses'. At the moment he is having to make the connections himself, but is hoping the system can be 'automated' soon. Mr Alsousou, who is currently living in accommodation at Horton General Hospital in Banbury, said of the site's success: 'To be honest, it's gone wild. 'My emails have been constantly pinging.' Meanwhile, NHS colleagues have set up a website allowing the public to donate money to buy personal protective equipment (PPE), which is in high demand across the health service. The website nhsmasksnow.com is aimed at raising £250,000 to buy high-rate protection masks, surgical gowns, goggles, visors and hand sanitiser on the open market. It is also asking for businesses who have spare PPE to contact them directly, so they can arrange for firms to supply their local NHS trusts and health workers with any surplus. A spokesman for the website told the PA news agency: 'In hospitals, the key thing is viral load. 'In hospital, there's a much more of the virus that's going to be around than say if you caught off someone on the bus. 'So we want to help protect everyone, not just frontline workers, not just those in ITU, but everywhere so everyone is as safe and protected as we can make it. 'We're not interested in criticising anybody. 'We just need to work together, any way we can, so make sure everyone has what they need.' Elsewhere, nationally, NHS staff have reported being 'petrified' over a lack of kit while others have been left in tears as they fear for the safety of themselves and their families. Around 20,000 NHS staff have written to the Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who himself has contracted Covid-19, calling for action over PPE shortages. A Government spokesman said in the past two weeks it had delivered '390 million items of PPE to frontline staff in hospitals, ambulance trusts, GP practices, pharmacists, care homes and hospices'.


Nooms88

>For those who do not want to be overwhelmed with the amount of ADS on this site (JFC): uBlock works nicely on that garbage site, highly recommend.


phiz0g

Once you pi-hole, you never look back!


WD-YA7YA

CovidBnB


Melenina

Basically it’s quite the lovely and patriotic thing to do to offer up a room, but also quite risky. UK govt should provide hotel rooms for these people.


magicaltruck467

Landlords have way too much power in the UK and not enough regulation. Something needs to be changed as there is not enough properties to buy so house prices are extortionate and as a result people are forced to rent off of these pieces of shit who mistreat them raise the rent prices and subject them to poor living conditions.


zuggzzwang

Back when I used to practice law, in the US, I traveled around my state every day going to small claims court. There were a couple of counties where the judge just blatantly ignored rental law all the time. In one town, I turned to a local lawyer, and asked what the hell he was doing, as he is otherwise a pretty good judge. "oh, he owns half the rental properties in town. He is 200% pro landlord."


bonerfiedmurican

In a case like that is there an appeal process for something that is flagrantly wrong? Can the judge be reported the same way a physician can and lose their license?


loljetfuel

In theory, yes -- the main purpose of an appeals court is to review whether or not a judge's decisions on matters of law are correct. Such a court would also take into consideration that the judge has a bias, and could potentially refer the matter to the proper organization for an ethics review (how exactly this works varies from state to state). There's always a path to remove a judge, but the exact path varies. If the judge is elected, that path is usually only voting them out or impeaching them. In practice... it takes deep pockets and political influence to make it actually happen.


cuddlefucker

> but the exact path varies. One thing never changes however: it always takes time and money. Time and money that most people don't have.


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Oh shoot... I guess Ill just put this 🔫 away then


KnowsItToBeTrue

Ah, justice!


jahoney

Yeah, especially in small population states I bet most judges are in cahoots with the appeals people


BadSkeelz

Even if there is, appeals take time and money. Judge just has to discourage someone at the first tier to be safe from appeals.


zuggzzwang

You can appeal to the next court up. However, the next court up is a court of record. You have to have a lawyer there. Most people ok the process of being evicted can't afford that. The judge isn't stupid. If the Tennant has a lawyer, he knows he has to be remotely inside the bounds. In theory, you can take a judge to the judicial review board. Nobody ever does this though. For one, the board is made up of judges and lawyers, so you'd have to be flagrantly out of line to get in trouble. For another, lawyers are rarely willing to take matters there, as their livelihood depends on making nice with local judges usually.


bonerfiedmurican

So the system is screwed. How would one design a system so that's not the case?


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You get the judge disbarred.


UEDerpLeader

Appeals are expensive


CyberMindGrrl

Like that isn't the precise definition of "conflict of interest".


Pseudoboss11

But who's gonna fight it? The people who just lost the suit? People who get evicted are rarely very wealthy. The only way something like that gets punted up is if someone has the funding and decides to appeal it or gets it done pro bono. A lot of the places that could get you a lawyer for that for free are already flooded with cases. The only real chance you get picked up is if your case could help them build a larger one or establish some kind of precedent. Since tenant's rights aren't a super popular political issue right now, it'll be an uphill battle all the way.


BuildingArmor

Probably in a legal sense, only if it was one of his own properties he was ruling on. In this case they're ruling on a case with complete strangers, even if one of those strangers has a similar income source, second job, or hobby to the judge.


Visticous

That's manageable. In the Netherlands, we have a government party solely existing out of landlords and we have a 'review chamber' where banks, housing commissions, and health insurance companies rub shoulders. Try voting them out... They even discussed extending the terms of the review chamber for 'increased political stability'...


Angry_Chicken_Coop

Holy shit they're saying the quiet part out loud


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EmperorHans

Part of the problem faced on that end is that, generally speaking, a tenant has a lot more to lose. Tenancy laws *need* to make it hard to throw out tenants, because a landlord has greater financial, and therefore legal, resources. Writing laws that allow landlords to (even relatively) easily throw out problem tenants can very quickly become laws that allow landlords to throw out any tenant.


loljetfuel

This. It's very hard to write a law that protects good landlords from bad tenants that doesn't also create opportunities for abuse by bad landlords. I've been on both sides of this. It can be frustrating when it takes months to evict a renter that's destroying your property, has stopped paying rent, and whose answer to every attempt to work something out is to slam the door on your face. But what I lost there was time and money. The law isn't there to make sure my tenants aren't annoying. I was certainly glad it's hard to evict someone when I had a landlord that tried to evict me because I refused to pay my rent by leaving an envelope of cash under the front mat or driving 20 minutes to their home to pay in person (this was not specified in the lease, they just decided it was inconvenient and expensive to deal with checks one day).


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stevensterk

> some landlords can’t afford the legal fees because like they are also living paycheque to paycheque (or rent cheque to rent cheque). That’s how insanely expensive housing is these days. Housing is expensive because landlords are buying up houses on credit. If you're surviving on tenant pay to survive, for god sake get a fucking job yourself


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As if a landlord who is "living paycheque to paycheque" while literally not working for said cheque has is harder than someone who does work for that biweekly cheque. How come the landlord doesnt get rid of the property and get a job? How could they posibly be worse off when they own *at least* one property? As you said... they should get a job and work for their money like the rest ot us.


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Cpfoxhunt

This is only legal if you agreed to it. Otherwise it could be treated equivalent to redundancy (although practically only helpful if you've been there for more than two years. )


Jeester

There are regulations against everything you mentioned...


nyaaaa

Please cite the regulation about land prices.


nyaaaa

Oh and where it says no one can own any for the purpose of selling it.


ButterflyAttack

Yeah, and it's not going to change because many supporters of the government - and I don't doubt some MPs themselves - are making a lot of money from this. If we had enough affordable housing, the value of their investments would drop.


tough_guy_toby

Unfortunately I don't think it's that simple. Housing is the price it is because we simply don't have enough of it, not because anyone is trying to artificially raise the prices, it is an open market after all. The problem is that we don't have the space or the infrastructure to support building more houses on the scale that would be required to make a significant difference. For example where I live at the moment is a small ish town, and they're building 1000 new homes here. Without building any new schools or roads. It's going to be chaos


ThatCrankyGuy

Would you sublet someone a room in your family home after you discover their job (albeit a very important one) made them prime candidates to become infected with a disease that, from reports, 1/4 of all infected people show absolutely no symptoms, but continue to spread it to others. If the doctor himself isn't going near his family, so why is he subletting in someone else's home?


jellylorum01

His family live 3 hours away from his work. He sublet the room to cut his weekly commute.


nosteppyonsneky

Still a valid question because the concern still exists and many healthcare workers are staying away from family.


theblazeuk

We have ok ish regulations We have little to no enforcement or means for normal citizens to seek restitution when those regulations fall short. In part due to lack of council funds and the obvious lack of political interest. The rules say one thing but the reality is another, but you can point to the rules as a defence. This is by design.


PleaseSelectUsername

I think it’s more to do with tenants not knowing what rights they are actually entitled to now, you can’t rent a house anymore without an EPC and if it falls below a certain threshold it’s illegal to rent the house. A lot of areas are landlord licensed now so if there is an issue with your house you can contact the council if the work isn’t done and the landlord can be fined and forced to fix the issues, you’ve also got the deposit scheme that was introduced that stops people getting ripped off with their deposits as well.


taptapper

They need to commandeer AirBNB listings too. Yeah, they are fucked with the travel bans, but they also keep needed housing out of the rental market and driving up rents. I read about one douche that has a dozen AirBnb residences in Vegas and hosts over 2,000 people a month. He has mortgages on all those properties, too. The real buyers who were out-bid by that jerk are the ones who have my sympathy


4th-Estate

I've seen whole apartment buildings set up as separate BnBs by a single owner. Dude has 21 "properties" that he's running as a hotel when those single room units should go to workers. It's a problem in areas already dealing with housing shortages.


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How is that legal there? Where I live zoning would have shut him down immediately for multiple reasons / violations.


viriconium_days

It's the Uber method. Pretend it's legal and see how long you can get away with it.


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I highly doubt that... every major city is dealing with this exploitation and isnt doing anything about it.


MisterSquidz

New Orleans and other tourist destinations are fucked by Air BnBs.


DisplacedDustBunny

Dublin here. Yup.


fiddyspent

I do Airbnb with 1 room of my 2 bedroom condo because I need the flexibility of having my or my wife's parents being able to stay for a week. I'm kinda terrified of an ICU nurse or something renting the room, and I'd be pissed if they did it to isolate themselves from their family (and then expose mine). So with all the negativity towards airbnb I see on reddit, is it more towards the the people renting out entire units or doing it large scale? I feel like the way I'm using it is good for everyone, but maybe there's an aspect I'm not seeing.


taptapper

That's the way it was designed, and the way AirBNB promoted it. In fact people are using it to stockpile rental units against the rules. In NYC 80% of units were owned by less than 10% of hosts. There's a big problem with all those "real estate for no money down!" sheep using housing as over-leveraged investments, against housing regulations and laws. Generally people CAN legally rent out rooms in their primary residence. But when one person or company has 30 "primary residences" and AirBNB won't give their names to regulators, it's a problem.


faithle55

I read a long article - in the Guardian, I think - about people who are literally building small hotels and then pretending that all the rooms are AirBnB rooms. They definitely should be commandeered for health workers.


Generic_Pete

So this is worded deceptively. She is not his land lady if he is lodging in her house. As someone who was a lodger for years and years - it's more of a courtesy of the homeowner since the agreement is entirely verbal, rent is pretty cheap and everything is provided for you (except food).. you are literally living in someone elses home while they live there too. You aren't on the tenancy agreement and aren't responsible for any household expenses. You pay the agreed rate and the homeowner does everything - whether you run up a gas/electric bill - or repairs/safety measures need to be taken care of - or insurance payments.. it's all covered by the homeowner and to moan about such a cushy deal is kind of dumb. You also know what you're getting into in regards to eviction - the guy I lived with renovated and sold his house and I didn't get much notice either. But mainly it's just the fact there is no contract, it's usually cash in hand and fully flexible. Basically disregard the article cause it's not how things work. If he was renting from a landlady with a contract it would be a whole other ball game. What she did is fair enough (while it may suck for him).


tehcharm

This 'Spirit of the Blitz' I heard was going to pull everyone in Britain together post-Brexit is truly a wonder to behold...


F0sh

The Blitz Spirit was mostly propaganda anyway.


-BellaDomina-

All essential worker should be getting hazard pay.


Twothousand2000

What I fucking hate about what the daily mail did here is put a heart warming story up with a picture and slap bang in the middle of it are fucking death and infection statistics. I mean, what the fuck? Why the fuck do that? “Here’s a really lovely alternative and positive story from this global tragedy, oh, but don’t forget : PANICPANICPANIC”


Skeedlebobbatweeza

This title doesn’t say the dude was renting a room in an old woman’s house. I don’t blame her one bit.


MissGruntled

Where does it say that she was old? The article certainly doesn’t, just that she was a “live-in landlady.”


Skeedlebobbatweeza

This story surfaced last week about the “eviction”. It was covered there.


MissGruntled

Oh, cool. I guess you’ll provide a source then?


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Doubtful. I suspect she is not old since the articles specifically say the ladylady was considered to not be at risk for contracting the disease and since we know that old people are very much at risk.


MissGruntled

Yep, I think an assumption has been made.


SQL617

Many assumptions can be made, such that she has people close to her that are considered high risk. Maybe family or friends. It's a sublet, she had every right do terminate the agreement. I really hope government's start being more proactive about looking after these indespensible workers. Food, housing, and any other accomodations should be a priority.


faithle55

IT'S NOT A SUBLET!!! Sorry for shouting, but I keep seeing this. A sublease or sublet involves *parting with possession*. A lodger doesn't have any rights of possession (unlike a tenant), it's merely a commercial agreement permitting him the right to use accommodation facilities.


nosteppyonsneky

What? Young people can contract the disease. It’s just they have a far less chance of contracting death due to the disease. Anywho, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-latest-nhs-doctor-evicted-covid-19-oxford-a9425166.html Seems she was told by her doctor to not share space so she got spooked.


ThatCrankyGuy

Who cares if she was old or not - young people are dying dude. This is absolutely horrifying to think the next time the guy walks through your hallway to his room, he could exhale something that you would then inhale.


babypton

Yeah, like fuck tenants right? Giving no notice of eviction is toootallly acceptable. /s I said it in the past thread and I’ll say it again- I don’t understand why all these landlords want money when times are good but don’t want to assume the risk associated with renting. If you can’t assume the risk, choose another way to add to your bank.


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>Yeah, like fuck tenants right? Giving no notice of eviction is toootallly acceptable. The article also says nothing about there being "no notice" or that it was an "eviction".


babypton

The original article showed the text message exchange where they said they are not allowed in and they will pack up their things.


ghatroad

Indian government has ruled that no medical personnel be kicked out for the next 3 months.


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tadgie

A lot of my colleagues have >30 minute commutes. We are all putting in 12-14, maybe more hour days back to back with no days off. Getting a room to crash can give you a precious hour or so of downtime, so we are happy to pay for a place on top of our house. Plus, for those of us with family, it's a way to not drag it home. So I kind of get why she gave him the boot from an I dont want to get it too perspective. Just hope he can get another place, these weeks and months are going to wear.


AUrugby

I so get that man. Keep up the good fight


lejoo

Yea my mate starting residency( 2yr in now) intentionally moved to a new place <% minute walking distance from the hospital. He mad such a big deal about the financial aspect of it but I realized it was more of the time aspect.


houlmyhead

To reduce his commute


thekipperwaslipper

They work for the nhs and there salary’s are lower because they are taxpayer funded so I believe the start around the 70k£ range


AUrugby

How much does medical school cost..


mulberrybushes

When I lived in “lodgings” in the UK my landlady was 80+ years old and my rent helped her come for food / heating expenses even though she was the homeowner Even though it sucks to be evicted we don’t know (from this article) if the landlady mightn’t have been immuno compromised or aged


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Zachasaurs

Landlords are leeches.


alex-the-alright

Just wanna point out what makes this person a winner. The reason they succeed in life is because when something knocks them down they address it and leave the situation better than they found it.


PenultimateJedi

Whata fucking terrible problem to have to solve. Goddamn heroes can't find a place to sleep at night.


acornmoose

Dude he had another house he was only using hers to shorten his commute.


sherriffflood

These people are on a different level to the rest of us. We should really look after them


liberalmonkey

Most of Philippines landlords did the same thing. My city ended up using the boats in the harbor for temporary housing for all the nurses.


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BoltWire

She should be fined and or sued...


QuarantineTheHumans

We need someone to set up a website that matches scummy landlords with a surprise ass-whooping. Maybe we can implement it with flash mobs?