Me looking back on Scrappy Doo after "Velma" dropped:
https://preview.redd.it/8jyfqnu6b3ca1.jpeg?width=594&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=4fb347b8dae721d252eb8fab9ce06da945bdb87c
That's not how these things are written.
The writer wrote her generic self-insert series, and pitched it to a producer, and was told "only if you can rewrite it as an existing IP we can license." So it gets reskinned and marketed as a Scooby Doo series while bearing no real resemblance to it.
Yep same thing happened to the halo show, apparently it was originally written as a Mass Effect show but with those games dying in popularity of late the studio wanted them to go with a more popular scifi franchise.
[At least this fight was kinda cool when you edit out the face and add the music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJ7SlzMRGg). And ignore the lore problems...
Just go watch the [Halo 5 cutscenes](https://youtu.be/gvn1k6__yTc?t=105) (minus Locke v. Chief), [Halo Legends: The Package](https://youtu.be/DofP5Zt1Gdk?t=6258), or [Red vs. Blue S8-10](https://youtu.be/l1mmelrL3r8?t=219) to see how Spartans fight (not faster than eyesight like in the books, but still).
What Twitter hordes? EVERYONE on that site hates it, both the right wing for the change of skin colour and the left wing for how the writer (which is a terf) inserted herself as Velma and how they turned Shaggy as the "pathetic black guy comic relief", one of the worsts tropes in media.
Self-righteous idiots I suppose, not unlike Kaling herself. People who were given more than they can be credited for, yet think everything in their life has gone south because "whytepipo bad" and not because they were undeserving of more.
I mean, look at how the titular character behaves and at the "jokes" the show make, Velma is quirky and relatable only to those who are exactly like her: condescending, arrogant and filled up to the tip of the hair with protagonism complex.
Man... It's been that case for a while. People used to say it was only tumblr extremists until it wasn't. Then tumblr imploded and released their filth upon the rest of the internet.
Even Harley Quinn is far better than Velma even as an adult action superhero comedy animation! The Scooby Doo lore has a lot deep themes like the Hanna- Barbera universe ,or DCAU but Velma doesn’t seem be relatable with me. I’m pretty sure they just made that show for money
While I like the show most of the time there's a few jokes and linguo that are just so fucking forced in... And for the little I had seen of the second season, Batman gets really disrespected... Eh I dunno
Oh he gets fucking completely trashed, but that's the joke. Batman is mostly portrayed as incredibly potent in the vast majority of media he's in. Bane is also treated as a total pathetic loser aside from being a roided up monster.
Harley Quinn is also made by people who respect the source material and are knowledgeable enough to parody it in a tasteful way.
Velma is made by people who either don't know or don't care about the source material, and want to constantly remind everyone how they're soooooo different from the other Scooby-Doo shows through the repeated use of dumb meta jokes that don't land.
Even the Batman animated series is pretty good.
I haven't seen more than bits of the Harley series, but DC doesn't have that bad of a record with animated shows.
DC.is just the best in the animated department seriously everything is gold, even the infamous teen titans go is genuinely spicier and the slightest bit funnier than other similar cash grab kids shows
I only watched the movie and thought it was pretty funny. Going back in time to prevent other heroes' origin stories so Robin can get his own superhero movie is hilarious.
Justice League animated is the reason I always think of Jon Stewart when I hear Green Lantern. Also liking Hawkgirl and not Hawkman. And my general preference towards DC over Marvel.
My theory will always be that mindy pitched a self insert animated edgy sitcom, but the network new discovery doesn’t want to pay for new IP so they forced them to make it a scooby show.
Honestly I think they were trying to get cancelled so mindy could work on smth else
It might be just racism.
But, a charitable interpretation is that Shaggy is now anti weed, and this show avoided that because black people can't be shown doing weed because 'thats a stereotype'. Even tho being a stoner is an essential character trait for shaggy.
They couldnt even just leave it as unmentioned, they had to go anti to balance, i guess.
Characters just been washed of anything that makes him unique, presumably because the writers wanted to avoid racial stereotypes of black people. Ergo, blackwashing.
I think she’s played by Mindy Kaling so her character is Indian? I think Shaggy is black, Daphne is Chinese (Constance Wu), Velma is Indian, and Fred is white
Velma is Indian, Fred is White, Daphne is Asian and adopted, Norville "Shaggy" Rogers is Black and hates drugs and smarter than Velma, and Scooby died in a puppy mill/doesn't exist in this universe. They are all (aside from Shaggy who is only just kinda pathetic) completely reprehensible and awful people but not in a clever way. This is like Ginny And Georgia but just with Scooby characters.
I’m rly not bothered by his race he’s a cartoon character so your cock is small if you care. My problem is his jokes are just too obvious they can’t surprise you much less be funny
Those jokes aren't in this iteration, Norville references hating drugs multiple times in episode 1. The fact that POC aren't allowed to have new characters and just the leftovers we scrape off of white plates is definitely worth caring about.
It’s kinda a chicken and the egg scenario. Shaggy has been in like 50 different shows and movies since the 90s so the race change doesn’t bother me if they hire a black actor.
It would be problematic if they kept his old actor and made him black anyway. For example they’re casting poc actors in the last of us show but it seems like they actually care about making a good show and casting talented ppl that suit the character
The only POC actor cast in TLOU show that I know of is Nico Parker as Sarah and Sarah is just a somewhat minor character who dies in the first episode and doesn't even make it past the first 5 minutes of the game.
Yeah fr, there’s a million problems with Shaggy in this show:
* Not even called Shaggy, goes by his legal name of fucking Norville
* Hair is not a shaggy medium cut or dreadlocks, straight up just a well kept fade
* Is a stereotype simp for Velma for some reason
* Scooby is dead, no duo dynamic
* Acts literally nothing like the original Shaggy in any way. Only wears the same clothes
But for some reason out of all these issues OP chooses blackwashing? Christ
Yah blackwashing rly doesn’t bother me considering black ppl have been denied leading roles and forced to play drug addicts, gang bangers, and mean spirited stereotypes for most of film/TV history
Hate the writers not the actors skin color
Nah I just don’t care about skin color. Literally the only thing that’s changed in Hollywood is they let poc audition for roles that previous would be “whites only”. I just don’t mind actors finding success and inadvertently pissing off a bunch of Reddit and Twitter bros
It isn’t tho, they have an audition and whoever they decide is best for recording/shooting/pay rate is chosen. It’s not some black agenda it’s literally just being open to employ black actors and your mad about it.
Its not like shaggy’s personality is connected to him being white. He’s been voiced by like 20 different ppl it’s really not a big deal cause scooby isn’t a biopic about smth that happened in real life.
So, in the name of equallity, we will only have non-white people in leading roles and white people are always portraied as being evil, selfish, arrogant, rude or stupid? And its fine to be as racist as you want against white people in all media
No I never said that dummy. I was saying that it doesn’t bother me when I see the poc get hired. Because all that means is they had an audition that didn’t exclude ppl based on race. Idk why that’s an issue for you. Should every role call discriminate??
But I also never said I’m bothered by white leads, you’re being completely reactionary there. I have 3 braincells dedicated to media literacy it’s easy to learn about the systemic racism in Hollywood from the 30s-80s.
Pirate the shit out of it as you please (this is the link)
https://preview.redd.it/z7bbx7vqv4ca1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=c9f8b01f656f33e293fc6e8b3b27d6c9624bd567
It's great to see people uniting behind how shit the Velma show is. They can't even get the equations right during the scene where she's thinking real hard. Also, making Shaggy a stoner isn't exactly doing the black community any favors if you're going to just use it to push stereotypes. This is why I hate "woke" programming cuz they just end up revealing how racist they are at the end of the day.
SDMI actually looks pretty good from just hearing that description. Hopefully the Scooby franchise gets more of that treatment in the future cuz Velma was an error in the timeline.
also WHY did they name shaggy NORVILE…. and didnt even give him shaggy like dreads or anything like…. just make a new show with a new cast bc thats not the scoobydoo gang i know
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I don’t know why but since the Last Of Us is coming tomorrow, the chad should be the Last Of Us cause it’s true to the source material while Velma isn’t.
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With all the people complaining about this show I’m surprised I’m not seeing the “bro stuck in 2015 YouTube 💀” comments that I constantly see when discussing shows that’ve gone “woke”
Me looking back on Scrappy Doo after "Velma" dropped: https://preview.redd.it/8jyfqnu6b3ca1.jpeg?width=594&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=4fb347b8dae721d252eb8fab9ce06da945bdb87c
Personally I think what’s new scooby doo is the best
🎵WHATS NEW SCOOBY DOO WE'RE COMING AFTER YOU 🎵
🎵YOU'RE GONNA SOLVE THAT MYSTERY🎵
🎵 I SEE YOU, SCOOBY-DOO THE TRAIL LEADS BACK TO YOU WHATS NEW SCOOBY DOO🎵
🎵 DON’T LOOK BACK, YOU MAY FIND ANOTHER CLUE 🎵
🎵SCOOBY SNACKS WILL BE WAITING HERE FOR YOU🎵
the what's new scooby doo song is the only song from Simple Plan that I like
Nothing ever tops the classic Scooby-Doo: Where Are You? for me, but I do love some What’s New Scooby-Doo
The closest any reboot got to the perfection of the original
Why was Velma even created, what fuckjng audience are they looking for
That's not how these things are written. The writer wrote her generic self-insert series, and pitched it to a producer, and was told "only if you can rewrite it as an existing IP we can license." So it gets reskinned and marketed as a Scooby Doo series while bearing no real resemblance to it.
Yep same thing happened to the halo show, apparently it was originally written as a Mass Effect show but with those games dying in popularity of late the studio wanted them to go with a more popular scifi franchise.
That explains a lot actually.
[At least this fight was kinda cool when you edit out the face and add the music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJ7SlzMRGg). And ignore the lore problems... Just go watch the [Halo 5 cutscenes](https://youtu.be/gvn1k6__yTc?t=105) (minus Locke v. Chief), [Halo Legends: The Package](https://youtu.be/DofP5Zt1Gdk?t=6258), or [Red vs. Blue S8-10](https://youtu.be/l1mmelrL3r8?t=219) to see how Spartans fight (not faster than eyesight like in the books, but still).
Twitter hordes
What Twitter hordes? EVERYONE on that site hates it, both the right wing for the change of skin colour and the left wing for how the writer (which is a terf) inserted herself as Velma and how they turned Shaggy as the "pathetic black guy comic relief", one of the worsts tropes in media.
What is a terf?
Trans exclusionary radical feminist
It's nice to see humanity unite like this
The show probably had the Scooby Doo elements slapped on an unrelated story for money purposes.
Self-righteous idiots I suppose, not unlike Kaling herself. People who were given more than they can be credited for, yet think everything in their life has gone south because "whytepipo bad" and not because they were undeserving of more. I mean, look at how the titular character behaves and at the "jokes" the show make, Velma is quirky and relatable only to those who are exactly like her: condescending, arrogant and filled up to the tip of the hair with protagonism complex.
Remember those sjws that were popular in 2020?,those are who they are looking for
Affluent White Female Urban Liberals (A.W.F.U.L..)
Edit that out it just gives away the joke thus rendering it humorless
tbf it worked with L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N in Phineas and Ferb
No way it’s not rage-bait
I heard it's actually a parody and made ironically
ESG score obviously
Professor Pericles would fucking demolish the gang from Velma. If they went up against him, it would be like the SAW movies.
you think he'd let them live that long?
Implying he'd see them as even worth his time.
https://preview.redd.it/cd3xfggcq2ca1.png?width=372&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=e763a0de4f1d7d05357903a90abc3a7cf02d33a0
Man... It's been that case for a while. People used to say it was only tumblr extremists until it wasn't. Then tumblr imploded and released their filth upon the rest of the internet.
Tumblr was our containment site.
I mean tumblr pretty universally hates this show.
The virgin readable text vs the chad unreadable paragraph
Damnit someone already beat me to it
Even Harley Quinn is far better than Velma even as an adult action superhero comedy animation! The Scooby Doo lore has a lot deep themes like the Hanna- Barbera universe ,or DCAU but Velma doesn’t seem be relatable with me. I’m pretty sure they just made that show for money
Harley Quinn SLAPS. Most of the DC animated stuff has been dope but it's nice there's a semi-typical adult animated comedy that's killing it too.
While I like the show most of the time there's a few jokes and linguo that are just so fucking forced in... And for the little I had seen of the second season, Batman gets really disrespected... Eh I dunno
Oh he gets fucking completely trashed, but that's the joke. Batman is mostly portrayed as incredibly potent in the vast majority of media he's in. Bane is also treated as a total pathetic loser aside from being a roided up monster.
Harley Quinn is also made by people who respect the source material and are knowledgeable enough to parody it in a tasteful way. Velma is made by people who either don't know or don't care about the source material, and want to constantly remind everyone how they're soooooo different from the other Scooby-Doo shows through the repeated use of dumb meta jokes that don't land.
Harley Quinn is the best DC show ever,
¿Justice League animated series and JL unlimited?
Even the Batman animated series is pretty good. I haven't seen more than bits of the Harley series, but DC doesn't have that bad of a record with animated shows.
DC.is just the best in the animated department seriously everything is gold, even the infamous teen titans go is genuinely spicier and the slightest bit funnier than other similar cash grab kids shows
I only watched the movie and thought it was pretty funny. Going back in time to prevent other heroes' origin stories so Robin can get his own superhero movie is hilarious.
Justice League animated is the reason I always think of Jon Stewart when I hear Green Lantern. Also liking Hawkgirl and not Hawkman. And my general preference towards DC over Marvel.
What about batman brave and the bold? That show made me love obscure villains
That too.
I like the wwe crossover event Scooby doo did w
My theory will always be that mindy pitched a self insert animated edgy sitcom, but the network new discovery doesn’t want to pay for new IP so they forced them to make it a scooby show. Honestly I think they were trying to get cancelled so mindy could work on smth else
That's some copium
Why? Getting cancelled on purpose is a stretch but it rly doesn’t seem like they wanted to make a scooby show
I acc think u might be right she does self insert in all her shows
blackwashed?
It might be just racism. But, a charitable interpretation is that Shaggy is now anti weed, and this show avoided that because black people can't be shown doing weed because 'thats a stereotype'. Even tho being a stoner is an essential character trait for shaggy. They couldnt even just leave it as unmentioned, they had to go anti to balance, i guess. Characters just been washed of anything that makes him unique, presumably because the writers wanted to avoid racial stereotypes of black people. Ergo, blackwashing.
Shaggy was a stoner? I only remember him being a glutton
Munchies. He also dates a woman named mj at one point.
it's a term racist idiots came up with when they learned about whitewashing, an actual issue
"Racist for thee but not for me"
The apex of doublethink
None of them are issues
Velma show is so horribly bad that fans are now starting to feel sorry about scrappy doo. Now THATS an achievement
Velma doesnt even look black to me it just looks like she has tan skin (i am very very black)
I think she’s played by Mindy Kaling so her character is Indian? I think Shaggy is black, Daphne is Chinese (Constance Wu), Velma is Indian, and Fred is white
If you are gonna change the race of or remove entirely 4/5 of the main cast maybe it's time to think if it should just be a different show lol.
yeah i was about to mention she just looks like velma doing blackface
Literally
Velma is Indian, Fred is White, Daphne is Asian and adopted, Norville "Shaggy" Rogers is Black and hates drugs and smarter than Velma, and Scooby died in a puppy mill/doesn't exist in this universe. They are all (aside from Shaggy who is only just kinda pathetic) completely reprehensible and awful people but not in a clever way. This is like Ginny And Georgia but just with Scooby characters.
Im surprised shaggy hates drugs because he looks like a weed smoker that swears hes not addicted
I would give the first episode a shot so you can be accurate about the hatred but yeah it's not good.
Unpopular opinion: Be Cool, Scooby Doo is the best Scooby Doo version
You left out mystery inc. adding poc characters that stood on their own and weren’t just. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY BUT FOR THE DARKIES
The problem with shaggy isn’t that he’s black. The problem is all his jokes are “I smoke weed” humor that other people have been making since the 70s
Thank you for summing up why I had a problem with them turning the guy we made Stoner jokes about for decades black.
I’m rly not bothered by his race he’s a cartoon character so your cock is small if you care. My problem is his jokes are just too obvious they can’t surprise you much less be funny
Those jokes aren't in this iteration, Norville references hating drugs multiple times in episode 1. The fact that POC aren't allowed to have new characters and just the leftovers we scrape off of white plates is definitely worth caring about.
It’s kinda a chicken and the egg scenario. Shaggy has been in like 50 different shows and movies since the 90s so the race change doesn’t bother me if they hire a black actor. It would be problematic if they kept his old actor and made him black anyway. For example they’re casting poc actors in the last of us show but it seems like they actually care about making a good show and casting talented ppl that suit the character
The only POC actor cast in TLOU show that I know of is Nico Parker as Sarah and Sarah is just a somewhat minor character who dies in the first episode and doesn't even make it past the first 5 minutes of the game.
He doesn't smoke in this show though? He hates drugs and mentions it three times in the first episode.
Yeah fr, there’s a million problems with Shaggy in this show: * Not even called Shaggy, goes by his legal name of fucking Norville * Hair is not a shaggy medium cut or dreadlocks, straight up just a well kept fade * Is a stereotype simp for Velma for some reason * Scooby is dead, no duo dynamic * Acts literally nothing like the original Shaggy in any way. Only wears the same clothes But for some reason out of all these issues OP chooses blackwashing? Christ
Yah blackwashing rly doesn’t bother me considering black ppl have been denied leading roles and forced to play drug addicts, gang bangers, and mean spirited stereotypes for most of film/TV history Hate the writers not the actors skin color
Oh fuck off with your tick boxing.
Tf does that mean?
"Black people been denied leading roles" Just stfu. It's people like you these "writers" created velma for.
I’m right tho producers didn’t want to hire black ppl back in the day unless it was to make them look bad
When's back in the day?
Average Redditor Prime
Nah I just don’t care about skin color. Literally the only thing that’s changed in Hollywood is they let poc audition for roles that previous would be “whites only”. I just don’t mind actors finding success and inadvertently pissing off a bunch of Reddit and Twitter bros
create new black characters instead of blackwashing white characters then bucko. it's the same as you don't take black characters and turn them white.
It isn’t tho, they have an audition and whoever they decide is best for recording/shooting/pay rate is chosen. It’s not some black agenda it’s literally just being open to employ black actors and your mad about it. Its not like shaggy’s personality is connected to him being white. He’s been voiced by like 20 different ppl it’s really not a big deal cause scooby isn’t a biopic about smth that happened in real life.
Agreed
So, in the name of equallity, we will only have non-white people in leading roles and white people are always portraied as being evil, selfish, arrogant, rude or stupid? And its fine to be as racist as you want against white people in all media
No I never said that dummy. I was saying that it doesn’t bother me when I see the poc get hired. Because all that means is they had an audition that didn’t exclude ppl based on race. Idk why that’s an issue for you. Should every role call discriminate?? But I also never said I’m bothered by white leads, you’re being completely reactionary there. I have 3 braincells dedicated to media literacy it’s easy to learn about the systemic racism in Hollywood from the 30s-80s.
I think even MI's shitty fred is leagues better.
Inside Job died for this.
Pirate the shit out of it as you please (this is the link) https://preview.redd.it/z7bbx7vqv4ca1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=c9f8b01f656f33e293fc6e8b3b27d6c9624bd567
Even pirates avoid shit
I’m making sure that the series isn’t profitable.
Gigachad 1969 Hanna-Barbera Scooby Doo.
The virgin Velma -will accuse you of anything if you don't like it
It's great to see people uniting behind how shit the Velma show is. They can't even get the equations right during the scene where she's thinking real hard. Also, making Shaggy a stoner isn't exactly doing the black community any favors if you're going to just use it to push stereotypes. This is why I hate "woke" programming cuz they just end up revealing how racist they are at the end of the day. SDMI actually looks pretty good from just hearing that description. Hopefully the Scooby franchise gets more of that treatment in the future cuz Velma was an error in the timeline.
also WHY did they name shaggy NORVILE…. and didnt even give him shaggy like dreads or anything like…. just make a new show with a new cast bc thats not the scoobydoo gang i know
Shaggy's real name is Norville. His full name is Norville Rogers.
ohhhhhhhhh….. i still think they shouldve kept shaggy as his (nick)name but whatever
Maybe they're gonna give him the nickname at the end of the show?
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I don’t know why but since the Last Of Us is coming tomorrow, the chad should be the Last Of Us cause it’s true to the source material while Velma isn’t.
Lol, lmao even.
the virgin readable text vs the chad black text on black background
Ngl, Be Cool Scooby-Doo is better than Velma
60s scooby is based
The trailer for Velma was painful to watch. I mean they made it clear that if you don't like it they hate you
Taking this from a 196 comment, this show is what conservatives think woke reboots are.
Fred was probably a jerk because he was the white male character
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With all the people complaining about this show I’m surprised I’m not seeing the “bro stuck in 2015 YouTube 💀” comments that I constantly see when discussing shows that’ve gone “woke”
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Velma isn’t really thicc in any actual SD products apart from Kaling’s but you’d never know it from the hentai.
I don’t hate the new shaggy because he’s Black. I hate him because he doesn’t Resemble shaggy, and he ain’t the Giga Chad he used to be.
> blackwashed Is this from the same fantasy land as “reverse racism”?
So, you cant be racist against white people?
Not in the magical world that the US is in
I’m fine with Fred being an asshole especially since he’s being played by Glenn Howerton
Mystery Inc. is so amazingly deep and complex