Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer tests positive for Covid
By - Zhukov-74
In our darkest hour, the hero we needed the most has taken up the mantle. Ed Milliband is covering.
Formerly my local MP when I lived in Doncaster. Personally canvassed during the election, decent chap, actually bothered to check my name on his list before knocking. always thought it was a shame that he was kinda a laughing stock as Labour Leader
Bumped into him at ouston station once, more than happy to have a chat, thought quite highly of him.
Like I said, he never gave me reason to think he was anything but a decent guy when I was in Donny. Just a shame he didn't try to assert himself more in the Party Leader's chair.
Didn't really help when the party right claimed that the wrong brother won.
I've met him and he is the only labour leader I can truly say that I genuinely like.
I wish he was leader of the opposition now, and I do have abit of regret voting for UKIP in 2015 based solely on a brexit referendum.
I'd like to think you have more than "a bit" of regret for supporting racism?
Brexit isn't racism....
You’re literally Hitler. How dare you wrongthink
Aye. Not surprised
UKIP is. You voted for a racist party.
So is the Tories. So are labour.
Whilst I think the above commenter is a bit off the mark.
I don't think that saying the other parties are racist is true or much of a defense...
I don't care, every party has issues such as anti-Semitism, islamaophobia, racial prejudices, class prejudice, so what do you propose as nobody could be voted for.
UKIP were a way of pressuring the Tories into a referendum. Their other policies were irrelevant to me. I got the referendum and result I wanted.
Democracy works by people voting for what and who they want. You might not like UKIP, millions did and voted for them. You can call them all racist and xenophobic, they won't care. I don't care either as we vote for who we want.
No one says they have to care. If they cared they wouldn't be racist or xenophobic. Lack of empathy and selfishness are defining characteristics.
You vote for the ones who are by far the least shit...I think we know that one of those issue was largely a badly handled smear campaign.
UKIP were very shit, but I do believe they should have got seats and if the people voting for them had got representation we wouldn't be where we are now.
Our democracy does not work thanks to first past the post and the parties having to try to have to be all things to all people. Labour has to try represent all of the left and the Tories have to try to represent all of the right.
It's comments like that which keep getting the Tories elected. Voters in the red wall Northern seats voted Tory for the first time because of these racist jibes. You keep it up your doing a great job if your aim is to see Labour in the political wilderness for ever more.
UKIP is (was?) **literally** a racist party.
This isn't some "I don't like it so I'm saying it's racist" bullshit. Their manifesto had lines that said "multiculturalism is bad, don't race mix, islam is scary"
It's not a fucking "jibe" and if telling a racist that they're a racist pushes labour into the wilderness (explain this logic?) then so fucking be it.
Stop making thing up UKIPs manifesto said nothing of the sort.
I think you get taken aside and talked to when you get put in charge.
It seems like everyone changes as soon as they get there, left or right.
It can't be a coincidence.
Media affects perception. Miliband eating a bacon sandwich got more press than many Tory policies actively harm people.
But I think you may be the type of person that hates tories just because they exist....
I could be wrong.
But it seems to be the way of things unfortunately.
> But I think you may be the type of person that hates tories just because they exist....
way to attack someone for absolutely no reason at all.
EDIT: Oh, you're a LouderWithCrowder poster. Makes perfect sense now.
It was an assumption, not an attack, I was polite about I think?
You could have corrected me....
But you chose not to, and went to stalk me....
That suggests I'm not wrong.
you keep telling yourself that, buddy.
I do wonder, however: How the everliving fuck have you not slowly suffocated with your head so firmly planted in your rectum?
My suspicion is being confirmed...
What is the point of media if not to bring things to people's attention, as chosen by editors and owners? Of course it affects perception.
As to your other comment, I don't hate anyone based on existence. I do hate actions that lead to death though.
Wasting your breath, mate. This is some bad faith loser that just wants people to agree with him, not a discussion or debate. Just disable your inbox replies and get on with your evening
The point of investigation was never to be particular to any political group, or any lobby group.
That doesn't exist anymore.
All we have now is bullshit from one side, or bullshit from the other side.
There's a reason they are dying.
> Ed Milliband
Last year [he was on form during this debate](https://youtu.be/QG71rhV9ocI?t=1)
BJ looks utterly humiliated.
It was a last-minute decision for him to open the debate too. People claim it was because Kier dropped out [having to self-isolate](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/boris-johnson-eviscerated-by-a-ghost-of-labour-s-past-1.4354859). Bad call Boris.
That fucking bacon sandwich.
It's like the butterfly effect in real time.
Entire nation ruined over the course of half a decade by one man eating a bacon sandwich.
No joke that bacon sandwich will be mentioned in the annals of history
Not so much a bacon sandwich as a huge media apparatus designed to ensure Conservative electoral victory, and also report on football and celebrity tits.
Cameron ate a hotdog with a knife and fork.
Not many front pages about that one, despite being the weirdest thing anyone has ever done to a pig related item.
Actually that's not even the weirdest thing Cameron has done himself with a pig related item
It's interesting you bring up the pig fucking thing. That's another prime example of the power our media have.
"Don't give me a peerage? I'll tell the world you fucked a pig".
No shit he ate a hotdog with knife and fork. I would too after what had recently happened to Miliband.
Football tits. Nice.
> Not so much a bacon sandwich as a huge media apparatus designed to ensure Conservative electoral victory
More accurately, Miliband repeatedly looking like a lightweight compared to his rival, and making lots of stupid moves like his "Ed Stones", the whole "hell yes I'm tuss enuss" line and his weak public performances.
Ah yes because mocking the way he speaks or eats a bacon sandwich would affect the way he could enact policy. I would gladly take that alternate reality. GLADLY.
People prefer stronger charismatic leaders. His "tuss enuss" part made him sound like a lightweight trying to bluff his way into sounding stronger than he was. And that was the reality of it: He was a lightweight who was shown to be punching above his weight, especially compared to Cameron who came across as a political and charismatic heavyweight relative to Miliband.
Aren't you someone who gets angry about name calling against Tories but you're now mocking someone's speech problem?
"You got upset when someone else actively called for others to be killed due to their political views"
"but you used *spelling* to emphasise how someone was trying to overcompensate for their political clout. Curious".
Are you just exaggerating his speech impediment? I watched the interview, he says "tough enough" relatively unencumbered.
Obviously he didn't literally say "tuss enuss" but his response came across like a an 8 year old putting up his weedy arms and saying "come on I'll 'ave you" to an adult i.e. bluffing and punching well above his weight, but trying their best to look like they're not, and failing completely to do so. And it really really showed.
So here's the thing.... politics is about more than the individual. I know that people like to base it on that (haha funny Boris look at his hair)... but fundamentally it's shit for everyone. And when I say shit. I mean the fact its literally being pumped into our sovereign waters they so wanted to protect.
> So here's the thing.... politics is about more than the individual.
Doesn't matter. If people think person A is weaker than person B from a leadership perspective, they're unlikely to vote for them.
I agree. People love to blame it on the papers, but in reality that’s only part of it. The public at the time just didn’t like him. The stone is one of the worst gimmicks I’ve seen in my life.
Since 2015, he’s basically started being more himself. Since the rules of politics have been broken, and him being genuinely funny and making jokes makes him more popular. If we had known now what we know then, the correct response to the bacon sandwich incident would have literally been for him to say fuck off.
They where told not to like him. Boris is a fucking joke of a human being but prople got told he was great, he acted the damn clown in public ffs.
Again, you aren’t the only person who can see through the papers. They didn’t do what they were told - there were plenty of people who never read a paper who also found him to be cringy and fake.
Also worth noting he didn’t lose the election to Boris.
Yea Red Ed vs our lord and savior Cameron.
Labour has been labeled a communist part since 2010 and it seems to work
A man of Jewish heritage eating a bacon sandwich and the Right Wing media making a big deal out of it. This context needs to not be forgotten.
I don't think that was really what anyone was saying at the time, as far as I recall. I don't even think Jewish people were particularly bothered by it. Theres always been a section of people with Jewish Heritage who are not particularly religious and it's just how it is, same as I'm not singing hymns in my local church every Sunday morning.
It is called a dog whistle.
Is he a practicing Jew?
If not, why the fuck should he conform to their ideals? Why is it a scandal that a non-religion member broke a religion's rules?
> describes himself as a Jewish atheist.
Well, that answers that question.
And yet the media made a massive scandal out of it. The same media that then has attacked Labour for treating Jewish people poorly recently.
What do you mean?
You don't see the problem with media going crazy about a man from a Jewish family eating a non kosher food?
I honestly hadn't heard of any articles criticising him in that way... I of course stand to be corrected if I'm just being ignorant!
My general impression was it was because he pulled a [funny face.](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/NINTCHDBPICT000167623832.jpg)
If you take 100 photos of anyone eating they'll look funny. It is a dog whistle.
A dog whistle of what though?
Look, he's an unorthodox/atheist Jew?
Anyone who genuinely thinks that that photo would change someone's mind about who to vote for needs their head examined.
'Oh yes, will certainly be voting Labour - love their energy policy'
'Wait a minute, this bloke can't eat a sandwich properly, and isn't he supposed to avoid pork products as a Jew? Conservative it is then'
Yeah. It’s impressive how boris has managed to keep embarrassing photos out of the media
If there’s one thing I want in a leader it’s the ability to eat a bacon butty gracefully.
Fucksake, I was going to put myself forward as a well. But I can't eat a bacon butty with out the stringy fat bit pulling half the bacon out and spilling Tommy sauce all over my hairy chest.
There’s your first mistake - It should be brown sauce on a bacon sarnie
Only if its toasted.
This guy is completely unfit for leadership! Ketchup on a bacon sandwich is akin to war crimes.
Some say war crimes is an excellent qualification for Labour leader.
(Not me I should add, but I just couldn’t leave you setup unanswered)
Touché. It's certainly true that leadership can change dynamics. I just want someone who cares about the country and its people at this point.
100% with you there. Fingers crossed. At present I get the feeling any real talent in the Labour party are staying clear until the Tories have won another election before mounting any bid to be that person.
Since Corbyn and Starmer are vegetarians, no Labour leader has managed that in quite a while.
Christ, now you've got me thinking about how it looks when Boris eats a Doner Kebab.
Dave Cameron outside a Greggs saying he loves pasties was another highlight.
tobe fair ed did have a severe image problem overall. The sandwich was just the icing on top. UK media is gonna run propaganda against any and every labour leader, but he really did himself no favours by being Ed.
I dunno. He would have got shafted in exactly the same way by the media if he was a fat, bumbling, philanderer who can't comb his hair and had been sacked from previous jobs for lying.
Labour are always held to higher standards than the Tories.
They’re not held to higher standards, they just have the weakness of greater integrity and self-awareness. Blair and Brown had every inch the self-belief and entitlement of Johnson, Patel etc and it’s that never showing even a hint that you think you’ve done wrong that unfortunately people are drawn to.
It’s a major flaw in our (but not just our) culture that so many people want exactly the type of leader they claim not to, and won’t vote for the type they say they do when they have the chance.
The sad reality is truly relatable politicians don’t become PM because people see them like themselves and wouldn’t trust themselves to run the country. They want superman unicorns and get drawn to the people who truly genuinely believe they are the superman unicorn - something that’s just more common in the Eton and banker circles that infest the Tories.
A lot of people make up their mind not based on the paper. Milliband was someone trying to play the character of professional statesman, and didn’t do a great job. People saw through it. What they didn’t see is that he’s actually really funny and charismatic. That’s what they should have run with.
Particularly anyone seen as of the left. Milliband was hardly a radical but the prompt removal of people who lean left of centre is seen as one of the roles of the UK press.
Yeah Ed was scuppered from day one of his leadership even just because of how it came about with him standing against David and winning despite being the less well-known one.
Everything about that doomed him. Standing against his brother brought cries of disloyalty. Then winning made him vulnerable to stab in the back lines. The arranged union vote looked like a left fix. He was always vulnerable simply to jokes about being ‘the wrong one’. Shame as I think he’d have been good at governing - even better than David in fact since the unions would have been less willing to put the knife in.
Why is he not party leader? What qualities does Keir have on this fellow?
Looks like Captain Black. Is he now controlled by The Mysterons?
[Before and after](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Cblack.jpg)
Haha he really does.
I was in love with that show as a kid.
Bloody hell, he looks like his own evil twin from the mirror universe.
It's like in the third Spiderman film when Peter started wearing the symbiote suit
Fuck. Beat me to it. It’s exactly like that.
It's like he's been to Scandinavian TV school.
Thank you for this.
If he turned Vegan he would be unstoppable.
*Ed stares down Bacon Roll*
"Your power has diminished since we last met. You are no match for me now!"
He looks like he's regenerating into Peter Capaldi.
Is it just me or does Corbyn look a bit like he's playing a BrickTop-like character in this?
*Goody gumdrops. Get us a cup of tea, would you, Ed?*
Has a bird pooed on his head???
I listened to him and what I cannot understand is how he sounds like such a good opposition leader and someone who will hold Boris accountable... Where was that Ed when he was in charge?
Exactly. At the time, it was thought that the public wanted a professional sounding, sensible person. What they actually want it someone charismatic. He was playing down his charisma to try and act like every prime minister before him, and what he really should have done was just been himself. This was before Trump and Johnson, so it’s understandable that it was assumed that wouldn’t work.
He was busy working on the EdStone.
Is he tough enough?
Ed was leader at the wrong time imo. I'd certainly take him over either of his successors but he had no chance of winning in 2015
This is the answer, I thought his brother might have stood a better chance but ultimately it was the shadow of Blair/Brown that did him in, similarly with Starmer following Corbyn was always going to be a tough gig
Serious question: why isn't Sadiq Khan in the running for PM? He's charismatic and has cache.
Red wall hates him. Probably public enemy number 1 after Corbyn
That's crazy! Is it just because he's brown and has a foreign sounding name?
Nah it’s more that he’s seen as ‘London’ and they hate London. He’s learned from Boris that you need a break between those gigs.
A future Khan/Burnham parternship could well be the next successful election for Labour I’d think, assuming they can team up and not fight.
Exactly. I have a few of those types on my Facebook and they were incandescent when he was reelected. They have him down as incompetent and responsible for all the stabbings..he hurt Trump's feelings too
The Tories will have a gay or minority leader way before labour ever get one. Yes they have a lot of racist old retired colonels in their party, but nothing compared to what labour has up north.
It helps that the tories are very good at dropping 'properly educated' minority candidates into safe seats so they can use them as a shield against their dog whistles.
Contrast to labour who tend to have more organic minority MPs from communities with large minority populations.
And no. The Tories are far worse than Labour on the racism front. Traditionally old school Labour people are very anti-racist.
It's not labour voters in the "Red Wall" districts that will vote against him. It's just that his candiacy will enthuse other party voters in those districts to come out to vote against him.
*17.4 million people like this*
Disregarding those that changed their mind I do wonder how many are still alive
Wouldn't surprise me if Labour went for him next, but I don't think someone whose entire existence and political life has been to do with London is a good choice for the country at large.
EDIT: and yes I know Johnson was mayor of London too. I don't think he's a great choice either, but at least he had also been MP for a non-London constituency, and he's more Home Counties than London in image.
Hey, if we could get the entire country working like London that would do me
Just keep him away from bacon butties.
Isn't Keir the second MP in the last few days:
>GloucestershireLive: [Cheltenham MP tests positive for Covid after going maskless in Commons](https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/cheltenham-mp-tests-positive-covid-6107959)
>Alex Chalk MP, in the House of Commons chamber for Prime Minister's Questions last week. He has now tested positive for Covid.
Which pretty much makes a mockery of this:
>Independent: [Masks made mandatory again in parliament for staff – but not for ‘above the rules’ MPs](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mps-masks-covid-parliament-b1946153.html)
>The Commons authorities have updated Covid guidance to say all staff, visitors and media must cover their faces to combat the upsurge in cases.
>But it remains up to each MP whether they choose to wear a mask or not. Conservative MPs have come in for heaviest criticism, having largely ditched face coverings in recent months.
He obviously did not know his fellow MPs enough.
1 in 55 had it in the UK last week so 2 out of 650 is actually way lower than the rest of the population
Nah, it's more like 1 in 200, making 2 out of 650 not that far off.
Sigh. Hope he gets it light & gets better soon.
I don't know precisely what Starmer is doing wrong as I'm not political strategist, but I feel like we don't have an effective opposition right now, even when he's fit & well.
With all the stuff the conservatives are messing up, the opposition should be having a field day.
Are they too polite, are they just too quiet, do they not know how to engage with the media effectively, is there something weird going on?
Starmer wants to continue the New Labour project, positioning as a neoliberal/social democratic party that's slightly to the left of the Tories. But the Tories have co-opted, at least in messaging/public opinion (which is the only thing that really counts) loads of Labour-y stuff e.g. living wage, infrastructure/skills investment ("leveling up"), partially because this is an excellent way to disarm a Labour party that thinks any actual socialism is going to spook the voters they need (based on horrible FPTP electoral calculus, I guess).
So... why does Labour exist? What does Starmer's Labour stand for? We've seen Labour e.g. *oppose* corporation tax rises, when we have one of the lowest rates in the OECD. Even the 25% it's rising to will be the lowest in the G7. It's absolutely topsy turvy.
> I don't know precisely what Starmer is doing wrong as I'm not political strategist, but I feel like we don't have an effective opposition right now, even when he's fit & well.
I can tell you: His whole position is "I'm not the Tories". Trouble is, a lot of the country's voters are perfectly fine with the Tories, and a good chunk of those not voting Tories aren't "anti-Tory". That's simply not good enough to win the votes he needs.
Besides being "I'm not the Tories", why should we vote for Labour? Until they answer that, then nothing will happen.
That sounds about right. I'm not 'tribal' with my politics - as far as I'm concerned if you can explain to me a sensible plan to run the place, with evidence that it's more than a slogan, then I'm willing to listen.
Labour has failed to actually make any impact with explaining their plan (whatever that may be) to the wider population. I think they're still stuck in the post-Corbyn identity crisis exacerbated by factional dissaray.
Naw, it's a post New Labour identity crisis. Easy to look past internal factional conflict when you're winning, gets kinda ugly when you're not (see: Starmer kicking Corbyn out of the party, generally trying to marginalise the left wing of the party). Corbyn was more like a return to form.
This. He should have pivoted away from "we aren't Tories" and gone for an approach and platform of "we're better because x/y/z, and the things we stand for are as follows:".
Sadly Starmer was a better Crown Prosecutor than he is LotO
Yep. [The problem, now in comic form!](https://i.redd.it/gf9nst2y8et71.jpg)
Yeah, the old 'we aren't the Tories..........but we're no longer socialists either cos we're stitching up and expelling the actual socialists in the party and ignoring the last (and quite popular) manifesto'.
Other than that I can't see quite where he is going wrong.🤷♂️
Many on the left of the party will say they just don't actually oppose much of what the tories are doing on ideological grounds. Would certainly explain a lot.
Too boring. We live in the time of the internet and meme culture and labour haven't kept up.
Lack of personality. He's not likeable. For all Boris is he does appeal to certain types of people as a person a leader needs that.
He's my neighbour! Me too! :)
Westminster should be closed, too much infection happening down there.
In fact, just close it permanently. Build a proper parliament elsewhere.
But, they're all mates. Can't catch COVID from your mates.
They dont even wear masks, must be pretty gross in there all the spittle flying around during debates
Lots of wheezing too, some of those rolly polly cunts break into a sweat just sitting down.
Doesn't look like a safe workplace, to me.
The last 10 years worth of government and Labour in fighting have radicalised me far better than any recruiter could.
I've got to the point of believing we're better off without them at all.
Wasn't there talk of moving to the North at one point. I heard York mentioned as a potential temporary parliamentary HQ
It just seems unworkable. Do we move all the civil servants up there with them at the same time?
London has one of the lowest rates in the UK lol
It's fine they just need to have "a substantial meal" to avoid infection
He must be reconsidering his politics even now. Obviously if he had been a tory their 'convivial spirit' would have stopped him catching it.
How will British politics survive without an opposition while he is unwell? Surely the system must collapse without his tireless efforts to hold the government to account...
There's still an opposition party in the UK? I thought they'd disbanded years ago.
Joking aside, I hope he recovers quickly. (Is he vaccinated?)
About 2 years ago from my memory.
Sometimes we are at our best, our most effective, when we simply give less of a fuck.
Really terrible timing, the opposition's response to the budget is one of the few set piece occasions that the leader of the opposition gets a lot of coverage.
"We don't need to wear masks, we are one big fraternity"
Mogg, a few days ago.
It's now been mandated that all House Of Commons staff must wear masks, with the exception of MPs.
Hope he'll be okay, I hear it's particularly nasty for people suffering from a lack of spine.
It's very difficult for any Labour leader to be taken seriously since Diane Abbott became seriously unhinged and remains an MP.
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The response from the right about this has been pretty sickening, but I guess that's to be expected. It just seems disgusting that they would wish death upon someone who caught a deadly virus simply because they don't agree with their politics.
I hope you said the same when Boris had it last year. I really don’t think we should have to expect those responses. I dunno how you change it though
Where are you seeing this response? I agree that's it's awful. I'm not quite sure that we should be categorising it as 'the response from the right' though.
Has Nigel Farage wished death on Mr Starmer? Are Johnson and Sunak revelling/gloating and cracking jokes at his expense?
A bunch of psychos wishing death on someone don't represent 'the right' - and I say that as someone on the left.
Plus, any competent right wing politico would certainly hope Keir gets well soon and continues his unpopular, floundering, pointless leadership of the opposition
Edit: Lol, sorry, didn't realise this was a trolling/satire account
Starmer is right wing by any other country’s sensible standards. God this country is stupid af
Hope he is ok, but Can't him and Raynor bugger off every week? And can labour stop wearing facemasks just for the camera?
Otherwise im LOVING Ed and this lady, Rachel Reeves is fucking savaging the Tories. This is what labour should be! Answers to things, confidence and not resorting to Raynor's bullshit or Starmers wet-flannel charisma and delivery.
If he's up for it, I'd give Ed another crack of the whip as leader or, failing that, a cabinet position where he can regularly lay into the Tories lol. He seems to be shining now, bacon sandwiches be damned.
Vaccinated, and a fuck load healthier than BJ- he will probably be completely fine, probably just feel reasonably uncomfortable for a week.
I don't think you will find any of those actual quotes as official UKIP statements, you given yourself a bit of licence there. Your confusing UKIP with the Labour party under Corbyn..now that did come from the top down.
I wonder if the right wing will hope for his death like the 'caring' lefties did when johnson had it....
Lol most of the lefties hope it gets him. Believe me.
Aye, I believe you.
That's why the lefties need to where they are.
Completely fucking irrelevant.
Not trying to starve poor people though
Which lefties are you referring to?
Blair government had me homeless.
Stalin fucked up a fair few people.
As did Mao.
Define your leftist chap....
Blair isn't on the left. Stalin was a fascist pro-oligarch masquerading as a socialist.
The fact that you were homeless makes you even worse. How stupid and racist do you have to be to keep voting Tory despite having BEEN dirt poor?
Imagine that extra £20 and how much you'd have needed it.
Fuck off lol.
Blair was fully left.
He has done the damage we are experiencing now.
Stalin was a communist.
Not sure how you could even attempt to explain otherwise, bit I'd ne interested if you want to.
Fascism is a left wing ideology, at least you understand that.
Explain the accusation of racism.
You utter bellend.
Blair is the epitome of neo liberalism, which is a full throated embrace and defence of capitalism.
And you call this “fully left”?
Oh so Stalin was a communist. Wow what a well considered opinion.
You must be really smart
Your Overton windows is broken dude.
You're defending anti-vaxxers and nobody is even talking about them.
Tested positive or just thought, fuck it the rest of the country took time off after saying they got covid and I cba with rishis bull shit today
Notify me when he tests positive for having a personality. Jesus this guy is dull