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Am I the only one who thinks IGOR should be an “essential album”, so far its only Flower boy

Am I the only one who thinks IGOR should be an “essential album”, so far its only Flower boy

Jerlin2437

I would say that in terms of bringing Tyler to the mainstream, flower boy is probably the most influential. Flower boy brought Tyler to the stage and Igor made him the star of the stage.


ILikeSlothsAndMemes

I think people really forget that before flower boy Tyler was just a irrelevant washed up rapper to the mainstream.


kjones969

I wouldn’t say he was “washed up” he was more so a rapper that had their own niche and demographic before becoming mainstream


KimFakes

How can he be washed up, he was still pretty new


ILikeSlothsAndMemes

In hip hop circles sure people were excited to see what he’d do but the keyword is mainstream. Most people only knew him as the OF guy who made Yonkers.


nothing-feels-good

Goblin was hyped to here and hell and back. Tyler was probably at peak fame pre-Flower Boy in like 2012, probably around the time The OF Tape Vol 2 came out. Wolf didn't really raise his profile. And Cherry Bomb got panned everywhere. I think the consensus was that Tyler would always live in the shadow of his edgelord blogosphere breakthroughs. Then Flower Boy revolutionized the way Tyler was perceived by the media.


LakerBull

Yeah, i remember some people thought Tyler was going to be a cult followed rapper after CB got panned. Then Flower Boy came out and a lot of people started to like his stuff more, but others still thought this newfound sexuality was just another tactic to get notoriety. It wasn't until IGOR came out that the public fully accepted Tyler.


SnooComics2096

Wasn’t he hanging out with Kanye, jay z


iToXiTeCh

The goats always knew he had “it” Wayne, Pharrell, Ye, jayz, the mainstream audience just never cared much


MultiAnglePerception

Yeah nah you must just be a late fan cause when I was in middle school OF and him were like my gods


molotovvvmarcy

he was never that relevant in the mainstream at that point to be considered washed up. it was still the same *edgy rapper that weird teens listen to* dismissal that followed him since his breakthrough


Village_Weak

how was he irrelevant or washed up, he had fresh ideas all throughout his old records and his storytelling was unmatched by anyone at the time (correct me if im wrong)


xDANNISAUR

this is gonna sound kinda dumb but dont forget, without cherry bomb we wouldnt have flower boy. thats sorta essential


wyattlikesturtles

I mean no shit we wouldn’t have flower boy without any of the music he made before


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braujo

And we wouldn't have Cherry Bomb without Wolf, which we wouldn't have without GOBLIN, which we wouldn't have without BASTARD... Your point?


xDANNISAUR

i meant directly infuenced like the experimental sounds used in cherry bomb were kinda needed to be experimented on so that flowerboy could have been the flower boy we all know and love yaknow


justdelva1

Essential album is usually just the album that makes it easiest for new listeners to get into the artist, which makes Flower Boy the most fitting. Same reason Travis’a essential album is Birds instead of Rodeo or Astroworld


ZackJeannotte

Ok but that kinda makes no sense because Astroworld is hands down Travs biggest album and is arguably the easiest one for new listeners to get into. Also just because an album isn’t meant for new listeners(and might not appeal to a mainstream audience outside of the fanbase) doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be in the essentials. I know you’re right and that’s probably why it is, I’m just saying that shouldn’t be the deciding factor.


anuarkm

To be honest this “essential albums“ is almost always off. The same for essentials playlist. They literally put nah nah nah on Kanye’s essential page for months . Imagine how many potential fans that scared off.


ZackJeannotte

Dont even get me started on apples essentials playlists.


MemeDaddy412

birds is likely his essential bcs goosebumps is still his most streamed song (at least on Spotify, so I assume it’s probably the same on Apple Music)


StretchTucker

almost 2/3 of kanye’s albums are “essential”


Unt4medGumyBear

Flower Boy was a historic moment in Tyler's career but in my mind IGOR is wholly in a class of its own.


solace1234

I like both albums but Flower Boy covers a bigger variety of styles than Igor and so that aspect alone makes me think it's more likely to get new fans


RussianUnicornn

This reminds me. I work on a flower farm and so at work today I listened to flower boy.


Murphythepotato

that’s nice :)


TotalWhipeoutbag

So.. what happens if you listen to another album? I work at a theme park and I can only listen to astroworld. Or else. /s


JackiiX

you could listen to spiderland by slint as well if you’d like to change it up


RussianUnicornn

If I change it now then I won’t be a flower boy.


dylz19992003

if anything i think cmiygl will become essential. in my personal opinion i think he nailed it on this project as far as bringing elements from all different parts of him to make a new project. it’s great


ft_amarii

good point but nah


dylz19992003

yea man i be torn w it. igor has such a boldly executed production. he always goes for what he wants i guess is what my point was. because of that (in my mind) any album could be considered “essential”


ZackJeannotte

Agreed.


jesterkap2

IGOR is my favorite and I had the same thought when I saw it was just Flower Boy, but if you start adding too many albums as essential is starts to lose it's meaning a bit. Perhaps has time goes on they would add IGOR.


ZackJeannotte

I guess but 2019 was arguably Tyler’s biggest year yet and that cannot be ignored


TheAnalVape

Who cares what Apple Music thinks is essential? They don't even have the correct lyrics half the time.


caleb3704

All his albums are essential idk what apple music is talking about


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Noremax3754

You what?


-ello_govna-

because its a pointless arbitrary designation


These_Pomelo_321

nah it should be wolf


Few_Show_7359

Finally someone who likes RISE!


MoistMucus4

I think you could honestly put every album there except maybe cmiygl since its so new


spgvideo

I would say CMIYGL is essential because of the hype, energy and unique approach. He goes so hard, the album is *legendary* to me at least already.


MenaceTheIntellect

it should be wolf


TheGreenestHornet

I would highly agree that IGOR should be included


RrenDre

Nah flower boy still


Brustone

Flower boy is just better


DapperBoii

Who gives a shit??


ZackJeannotte

According to this Reddit post 930 people give a shit Edit: 1.3k


DapperBoii

Nah but like how much of a difference does it make if APPLE MUSIC doesn’t have the best fucking essential album?? That is the absolute least important thing that I can think of in the entire universe


vistashroom

i would argue cmiygl should be an essential album since its some of his best rap work yet and its easily accessible


ZackJeannotte

Agreed, however its only been out for 3 months. Needs a little more time to age.


gdwalters

No, because listening to Igor is nothing like any of Tylers other albums. Essential album means its an entry point for new fans. Imagine getting into Igor as your first Tyler album, just to be completely let down by all his other projects. Thats like the equivalent of Circles being A Mac essential album, rather than something like Swimming or Faces.


ZackJeannotte

No. Essential means something you have to have. I would say that the bast majority of Tyler fans would say that Igor is one of the best in his catalogue therefore making it essential.


gdwalters

Yes you are right about the definition of the word “essential” but some words take on different meanings in different industries. In this case what apple determines is “essential” in the music industry is very different from mine and your standard definition of essential. Think of if you had to choose the 3 “essential” colors of the rainbow, you would most likely choose red, green, blue. Aqua marine seafoam turquoise bluish green may be the best and most artistic color of the whole rainbow, but it is still not an “essential” color.


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Butter_fiend

lol


UwU-Social-UwU

what did this user say? I really wanna know....


Butter_fiend

He said that wolf should be


Murphythepotato

bruh


PatriciaaTM

Should be Igor and Wolf, flower boy is not the “essential” record


Emergency-Morning-86

I may be biased, but Flower Boy was the Album that got me into tyler. Then after that I listened to IGOR and it repulsed me so much that I had to listen to Flower Boy to clean it out of my ears. Then I listened to wolf and enjoyed. I didn't enjoy Igor until months after I started listening to tyler, so I understand that many New fans probably wouldn't like IGOR.


PatriciaaTM

Ig so but I see IGOR as a black sheep in T’s catalogue and along with the fact that it was his first number 1 I feel like it deserves a spot. Wolf was also in my opinion the best of the early era Tyler. I can see why people like flower boy but if not IGOR then definitely at least Wolf deserves a spot up there


Emergency-Morning-86

Yeah, I agree wolf totally deserves a spot up there. I feel like for a new fan you either really love or hate IGOR. Especially due to the fact that a large amount of the people likely to check out Tyler randomly are probably rap listeners rather than pop/indie fans(who are more likely to like IGOR), it seems like putting IGOR as the essential album would be interesting considering, that as you said it is a black sheep in T's catalogue.


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SkillsDepayNabils

flower boy is a relatively normal (but very good) rap album but no one else is making igor


jb23121996

Because it’s an essential ‘album’ not ‘albums’ unfortunately 👎🏻


SmoothieEnjoyer

I would say Wolf, Flower Boy and IGOR


LBIguy

igor, flower boy, wolf, cmiygl, goblin, cherry bomb i would order them by essential-ness. though that isn't a ranking of how good they are


danixoxohri

It’s not an essentials? That’s crazy


greenbeanie5

Needs Wolf for sure


priorbj

Oh I agree 100% percent


Rarbnif

All of T’s music is essential


EliteSAS79535

apple music gets the essential albums so wrong sometimes


Professional_Trip344

Off topic, but, they need to put Bastard on Apple Music


ZackJeannotte

HONESTLY


Brustone

And Spotify


svedka666

Igor and Wolf should be up there fs even if I like flower boy a lot more


s90tx16wasr10

It seems like their criteria for accessible is “accessible” and “stand-out” in their catalog. But I’m pretty sure Igor will get listed as an essential record in a few years.


_sea_salty

I think Igor and wolf should be next to flower boy in terms of essential albums


Chilb5

yes and no ya feel


vcntmind

I definitely think IGOR deserves the same praise, I really do... in terms of being “mainstream” obviously Flower Boy beats IGOR, but I think IGOR is an incredible body of work that I come back to more than any other Tyler project. I was honestly only a casual fan before IGOR, but it really cemented Tyler as one of my favourites.


TheWeeklySlap

honestly yea, i think IGOR and maybe one of his older albums should be an essential album, to show both sides of his music


_hurg_

Igor is literally my favourite album in all of music but I have to disagree, it's not as approachable as flower boy. CMIYGL though would be great along side it.


CrazyKhuntHunter

I've been listening to Tyler since cherry bomb and I've never listened to Igor and only two songs from flower boy


Absolutedumbass69

I feel like wolf, flower boy, and Igor are the most essential to understand him as an artist.


RezzyRezzRezz

wolf, flower boy, and igor should be up there


redshadow1695

Seeing how Tyler said that if this album didn’t do any well he would quit rapping I could see why it says “essential album” but apple should really put IGOR as well


Emergency-Morning-86

I know IGOR drew in a lot of fans from a certain demographic, but as someone who started listening to tyler like 8 months ago, IGOR was very hard to get into as a newer fan, because it is so wildly expiremental. To me the only ones easy to listen to were Flower Boy and Wolf. Flower Boy especially as that is probably one of the few albums I have ever enjoyed on First listen.


CamelSkate

Yeah I feel like Apple Music barely updates the essential albums.


thechillstation

Yes, i think the same


Euphori333

I never listen to those Apple Music “Essential Albums” for most of my favorite artists its always wrong


MoodWest

I think Wolf should b an “essential album” as well But yeah IGOR definitely deserves this


Echoherb

Unpopular Opinon: Flower Boy is better than IGOR . See you all in controversial!


horsemastaflex

It’s gotta be flowerboy This is a Tyler album 100% No gimmicks Just tyler


Accomplished-Mood661

Igor dosent feel like it was made by tyler. Imo igor and cherry bomb arent musically pleasing


sudev29

How old are all you tyler fans? Is it just me or does this feel like teen shit?


ZackJeannotte

Im 18. Not sure what makes this “teen shit”. Was just curious every time I saw Tylers essentials as to why Igor was excluded. I mean if you take part of a Tyler the Creator reddit its likely your a teen or someone in their twenties


sudev29

I'm guessing "essential albums" is an apple music thing? Doesn't make sense considering something coming from a music player. Them calling Igor essential or not doesn't mean anything. Any of his albums could be an essential album. It's subjective. I mentioned teens cause concern over this was something I did when I was a teen, and slowly realised that it meant little.


ZackJeannotte

I don’t think any of us are concerned, just curious and posing a question for discussion. We all know that music and art is subjective.


sudev29

See that's the thing, if it's subjective, the question really doesn't matter does it? Someone made a subjective choice to put flower boy as an essential album.


ZackJeannotte

This is like saying no one should ever voice their opinions on any music because it’s all subjective 🤣


sudev29

Not no one should voice their opinions cause it's subjective, why bother discussing an app sticking an essential album sticker on some album? It's not like you discussing Grammy win either, it's some dumbass app with its own algorithm for recommendation. That essential album means nothing for it to be discussed about. Do you understand?


maisonxozblack

His Essential Albums really should be Wolf, Cherry Bomb, Igor and Flower Boy


Faisst

Cherry bomb is ass


Jadidadi

I say Goblin should be


Faisst

Nah


skrrtskrrtspermworm

I think that an “essential album” is insulting to the flow of his discography. It’s telling people to not experience his work and find what they like. Not all experienced must be tailored imo


ZackJeannotte

I agree with this however if Apple Music is going to set albums in stone and call them “essential” I think Igor deserves a place


mrdibby

nah, Flower Boy really encapsulates Tyler's range, IGOR is great but it's somewhat exceptional of what you'd define Tyler with kinda like how 808s and Yeezus probably aren't "essential Kanye" like, didn't Tyler approach it more as a way of showing his ability of being a songwriter, rather than it being an album of where he himself is at?