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DysClaimer

It was/is a rule, and nobody really enforced it. Like everything else, it’s only really a rule if people speak up and mostly nobody does.


RobotDeathSquad

Pretty sure it's not enforced because the only people that would supposedly be the enforcers are the biggest offenders.


Liver_Lip

Rules for thee, not for me.


ElVacaMoo

When the couple brought up the rule, the guy simply said “I do this all the time” lol well it’s good to know he isn’t in the right and is just being an ass hat every time he does it. Then add to the fact the guy was drunk and couldn’t hold the conversation without being visibly frustrated.


SegwayCop

There is a "rule" of 1 scarf = 1 seat. In theory, you are correct about how it should work. One person can save one seat for someone else. More than that is abusing the system. But this isn't a system that the 107st or the stadium is going to enforce. So it is up to people to enforce it however they must. There honestly isn't a good way of dealing with someone who is an asshole... Just call them on their bullshit and move on.


ElVacaMoo

From what I’ve seen and heard, a lot of the 107st do the same thing. I just don’t vibe with it at all. Being selfish and saving seats for people who won’t arrive for another 30 minutes. Meanwhile the people there early and looking for a good seat have to be denied because someone else is “saving them”. That’s wack. And I’m personally going to speak up more when I do see it. Not trying to start problems but I don’t think it’s nice. You have to be a real asshole to take up 10-15 seats when only 3 people are there to fill them. And then they keep 1 or 2 on guard to bark off anyone that asks about the seats that are “taken”


jbg926

I have my scarf and sometimes I bring my kid who doesnt always bring her scarf. So we throw either my scarf across two seats, or maybe she puts a jacket or something there. But yep, more than your own seat and 1 other seat and it is pretty uncool if you ask me.


ElVacaMoo

Agreed! I never think twice about two seats covered with one scarf. But one person taking up 6 seats or in my case 3 people taking up nearly 15 seats!? Come on! Taking the piss at that point! Might as well come early, take up the whole front row and ask for a beer as payment for a seat lmao


dethpuck

there are some people that go down to patch zone, or couldn't get a wristband. My crew always brings scarfs for actual people who are coming as soon as possible to claim back their scarf. I just sit as far away from 107 as i can. I find the further away you go the less drama.


sumthingcool

> there are some people that go down to patch zone, or couldn't get a wristband. My crew always brings scarfs for actual people who are coming as soon as possible to claim back their scarf Uhh, 1 scarf 1 seat doesn't mean you just bring extra scarves and you're all good. You're only supposed to save max 1 seat extra per person who is already there. Sounds like you're saving more than that.


dethpuck

They literally give us their scarf for their one seat.


sumthingcool

Sure, but it's you carrying like 3-4 scarves then...? Using 3 scarves to cover 3 seats when people aren't there is just as big a dick move as using one scarf to cover 3 seats, it's just less obvious.


dethpuck

No usually just 1


elliskj1979

Yep, really isn’t that difficult


sumthingcool

> or the stadium is going to enforce AFAIK the stadium policy is no saving of seats, so if you get into it with someone and security gets involved: scarves don't mean shit, bodies do.


z-whiz

This is one of the bigger problems with the TA. I’ve gotten a wristband a few times and the first thing you see is someone walking to the front row a strewing 3 scarves across 15 seats. It’s not worth the hassle or argument tho. I just head up to 204 and hang out.


ElVacaMoo

Well I hate to be “that guy” but I feel like I will be from now on. If I see someone doing this again I’m calling them out. Not gunna start an argument or go back and forth. Just going to tell them straight up “you’re in the wrong. you shouldn’t be doing what you’re doing but you’re a selfish person who doesn’t care about others” simple. Not trying to argue with them but I want them to know what they’re doing is wrong, and that people see it and don’t like it.


z-whiz

I don’t see anything wrong with that. Get ready to hear a lot of “naw my buddy is just grabbing some beers” I guess I could start bringing it up in my season ticket review comments.


dethpuck

my buddy may be grabbing beers, but his scarf is always planted on his seat.


ElVacaMoo

I’m always there 90 minutes early. If they tell me that at the start and an hour goes buy I’ll be like “your buddy grabbing some beers from Beaverton or what?”


PNWSoccerFan

That's the "unspoken" rule that I've always know. With that said, if it's 1 person saving 1-3 seats (for their family or friends) who have to travel from a ways out (while the person saving seats works in downtown), that's one thing. If you're consistently "saving" 10+ seats, you're an asshole. Get your friends in on time and deal with it like a grown adult.


pnw_jak

Agreed


pnw_jak

Nah that way of saving seats is a dick head move.. I don't mind if someone save seats for them and two friends.. but for one person to save 4+ seats is a dickhead move, imo. My friends and I when we have a party of 6 tend to take 3 of us to find seats. We don't mind separating. But if people want to be together so much buy reserved seats in 222 smh.


Toph-Builds-the-fire

I'll be honest this is on my frankly shockingly long list of reasons I hate the TA. Downvote away apologists but you know you know more about singing songs than the beautiful game.


ElVacaMoo

One thing I hate is when people in the TA section make you feel like a piece of shit for not singing EVERY SONG. Chill the fuck out. I’m trying to watch the game. I also only last for half the game then my voice is fucked. Quit trying to act like your dick is massive because you scream every damn second. Good for you. Just don’t think you’re a better fan because of it that shits so corny to me.


-War-Bear-

>ly two friends left so that they could accommodate the one friend that lost a se Just got tickets for the first time in the TA section, before skimming these posts I had always imagined this is the kind of religious zealotry that goes on there. I've never had a problem *respectfully* telling people to fuck off in these controlled-chaos scenarios. Either way, I'm just stoked to finally be going to a game after closely watching the last few seasons.


RobotDeathSquad

I like to say that the TA is a social club loosely affiliated with a football club.


garybusey42069

It’s so true. It’s full of cliques and clowns.


WellTextured

If they knew about singing songs they'd add some to the chant sheet. Don't get me wrong, I love the atmosphere they create, but there's a lot of creative capacity there that's not being used, and the repetitiveness has had me sitting elsewhere.


Portland_Eric

Man, I’m sorry this all happened. This definitely has been an issue since I started going to matches in 2013. I agree with the others…one scarf = one seat. Cheers, my friend, and best of luck!


ElVacaMoo

I just felt bad for the guy and his wife so I had to speak up. The drunk guy and 3 of his friends were hounding him saying he had it marked but I just pointed out it wasn’t clearly marked. I also told him “ that’s what happens when you try and take up 15 seats. It’s hard to keep track of yours. You lost one.”


Portland_Eric

Good for you!


baddack8

According to the Providence Park TIMBERS ARMY GATE E & WRISTBAND POLICY FOR 2022, it states: >There is a policy within the TA sections of ’1 scarf =1 seat’. This means that it’s ok to save a seat for a friend as long as they get to the stadium at least 30 minutes before kickoff but not large groups of seats for a long period of time. [https://www.timbers.com/providencepark/supporters](https://www.timbers.com/providencepark/supporters)


ThisDerpForSale

This is one of the many reasons I've generally avoided the GA seating area, and why I've never even bothered to try to sit in the lower bowl the few times I've gotten seats in that section. It's just not worth dealing with the assholes.


2fences

It should be one person one seat. In other words, you have to actually be present and put your own scarf on the seat. No saving for friends. If there are three of you and you want to sit together, get all three of you to the seats before the game and reserve. If not, feel free to find seats once you’re all there.


Freeyourmind917

It's always been an unwritten rule, but pricks like that are going to ruin it for everybody else.


UAChemist

One of the reasons I don't sit in that section anymore. It reminded me of undergrad lecture hall classes. Where people would save seats for friends who showed up late for classes.....


PDXPuma

It's an unwritten rule unless you're "popular" and are a section regular. Then you can do as many seats as you want so long as other people there are section regulars. I remember one time getting someone chewing me out at a US Open Cup match for sitting in the lower bowl because "there are regulars who use these seats." and he had three rows that had "regulars." Zero scarves. Everyone gave me shitty looks for sitting there. I actually generally think the TA is right about most things, but I don't think anyone should be in the lower bowl without a wristband, and only 5 minutes before KO should people without wristbands be allowed in.


CommonSensePDX

Just an FYI, this is always how it's been. Friends saving seats for friends and rotating the responsibility. Also FYI: most of TA's leadership/inner circle does the exact same shit. I see a lot of righteous indignation here, but those of you upset should travel to other GA supporter sections and see what happens. Life isn't always fair, and it sucks when you don't have friends helping you out.


ElVacaMoo

“How it’s been” doesn’t mean it’s allowed or right. To your second point I already pointed that out in a previous comment and I think they are assholes for it too. I don’t care how long you’ve been coming, you bought the same ticket as me. You don’t get to have more rights than others just because you feel entitled. Fuck off with that pretentious shit. Also I go by myself so I don’t need to rely on anyone as it’s always easy for me. I just feel bad for the people that show up early and get told off from open seats because they’re “saved”. If the person that “WILL” be sitting there isn’t physically in the stadium then it’s not there’s YET. Pretty simple but it’s obvious some people think they’re better than others lmao


CommonSensePDX

You're creating a big stink about somethign that's just reality. The world across. Goto GA sections for national team games. Goto supporter sections that function as GA the world over, it's all the same. Friends helping friends. Especially friends that have been sitting in the same section for a decade+. You can hate it all you want, but as a new TA goer, and I'm assuming you've never been to many games in Europe/South America, this is how it is, and how it always will be. Fact of the matter, 90% of the time you get there early there are plenty of seats. Life aint fair, and you should make friends that can help you out when life gets in the way. Your reddit complaints wont change anything, and frankly, makes you guys look like little babies.


ElVacaMoo

“Creating a big stink” by voicing my displeasure and having a majority of the comments agree and side with my argument. I’m not creating a big stink, I’m pointing out one. Clearly you think people are entitled to block off seats based on how long they’ve been coming to games. To that I say FUCK OFF. I don’t care if you’ve been to Providence park since you were an infant. It’s first come first serve. Not “who ever has been here the longest gets to take up as many seats as they want” Entitled pricks. You pay the same as everyone else. You should follow the rules like everyone else. If you go alone like me, yes you have a good chance of finding a good seat. But if I bring a girl on a date it will be harder. If me my parents and brother all show up it’s going to be 4x harder because the likelihood that there will be 4 empty seats near the pitch is far less. And there are PLENTY OF EMPTY SEATS. They just get “claimed” by the entitled pricks im speaking of. And then their friends show up 10 minutes before kick off and get the best seats meanwhile people who were committed and got in early get the short end of the stick because of these assholes that think they’re better than everyone else. They have no right to do it no matter how long they have supported the Timbers. I’ll be sure to make everyone I see doing this know what they’re doing is wrong.


CommonSensePDX

Then you're going to be the weird dude that just started going to Timbers games angrily shaking your fists at everyone around you. Again, this is soccer culture. I think because you're new to this, you don't really understand. If you got to US NT games and sit in AO sections, friends save friends seats. If you goto European or South American games in general admission/supporters areas, this is the same. Friends save friends that can't make it 2 hours early. I understand that's frustrating for you, but that's life. Friends help friends out. This is how TA has ALWAYS functioned, and how it will continue to, no matter how many people you whine to.


ElVacaMoo

I literally said in a previous comment I’m not going to do it to start an argument or go back and forth with anyone. But everyone that I see doing this I’ll let them know they’re in the wrong and they’re making themselves look bad. Also there’s a TON of assumptions you’re making about other teams and their fans. I highly doubt you know what a GA section is like for Chivas in Mexico, Arsenal in London, Genk in Belgium etc etc. I get you’re trying to make a point but I highly doubt HARDCORE fan bases would let rules like this be abused. If anything I bet they police it harder. You’re making statements as if they’re factual when they’re not. At the end of the day it’s been made clear in this post. It IS a rule, unwritten or not people know of this rule. Some people respect it, others don’t respect it and other people. They say “fuck it I’m entitled because I’ve been a fan for longer so this gives me the right to block off as many seats as I want.” What a joke. And for you to apologize for them is even more pathetic. Either you can’t see why they’re in the wrong or you’re one of those self entitled assholes that partakes in this shitty behavior.


CommonSensePDX

I've done it MANY times, I've saved seats for my friends, girls I dated, my wife, and they did it for me. Rarely was is 1 person holding 10 seats, but 1 person holding 3-4, no problem, and only the herbs that show up 30 minutes before kickoff thinking they'll get a seat getting upset someone saved them. The example you have is extreme, but I also think you've exaggerated a fair bit to prove a point. No one will care, and I'd warn you that ranting and raving will not get a positive result, or response.


ElVacaMoo

I haven’t exaggerated anything I’ve just stated what I witnessed and how I dealt with it. “No one will care” dude you sound so stupid. When I spoke up and helped the guy and his wife keep their seats the guy THANKED ME. For helping him out and for pointing out what was wrong. If you do it again and I see you do it just know I’ll have a few words to say to you. Keep being an asshole and thinking you’re justified in acting like one. You really are missing the point. Take care.


hikensurf

Never really had a problem with it. Most of those guys/gals spent the night out there. More power to them. It hasn't been difficult to be in the first few rows of my section if I show up 90 min before.


MrFrumblePDX

>Most of those guys/gals spent the night out there. Wrong. Most have a friend or 3 who spent the night that are the ones saving seats for the ones that did NOT spend the night.


ElVacaMoo

Exactly lol


hikensurf

That's what I meant. I'm quite aware how people in the front rows do things. Sorry it pisses so many of you off. The downvotes really hurt.


PuffPuffPat

I got in with some people who would stake out the line to get in, like they work in shifts to save their spot in line, for big matches sometimes starting like 2 days before kickoff, but they would all be there waiting in line 2 hours before kick off. Everyone else at the front seemed to be doing the same thing so everyone was chill about it. I got invited and went into games at the front of the line twice this way in a group of roughly a dozen both times. Now that I think about it I think they saved a couple seats also, maybe like 3 or 4 between the group. I think you may be experiencing a bastardization of a once decent system and other people hit the nail on the head that it’s hard/nobody seems to care enough to enforce some rule that doesn’t actually even exist. Sucks man, sorry some asshat put a stain on the night. Come one over to 218. Still plenty of atmosphere and a good view of both boxes. Vamos Timbers!


rotzak

I don’t recall this ever being enforced.