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MarMar_19

That’s so frustrating because I work for Providence and usually they have a handful of GA tickets and some standing room only ones that are near the medical center, and this time around they weren’t even allocated a single ticket. Usually those are sold at face value to caregivers as a perk. So does the MLS really think it will be a “sold out” game if so much of the tickets are going to corporations that most likely don’t even care about Timbers/soccer 😡😣


ivandraski

More specifically it went to LEAGUE sponsors not team sponsors so like continental tire, adidas, cheezit, Audi, El jimidor etc... Not local sponsors like Tillamook and providence.


mojotooth

The Timbers/MLS didn't just decide to do it, it almost assuredly was part of the corporate sponsorship agreement. (edit: added MLS)


FlipKobbler

I didn't know we gave nyc 2500 - pretty generous, about 10% of the seats, way more than Atlanta gave us. I am completely ok with 10% since it is the final, I just wish MLS would standardize the away ticket percentages


joshing_slocum

> I didn't know we gave nyc 2500 - pretty generous, about 10% of the seats, way more than Atlanta gave us. MLS makes this decision, and after Atlanta they changed their policy to give 10% of capacity to visitors.


FlipKobbler

Good, I like that change


PNWSoccerFan

We don't give the away team anything. MLS allocates 10% of the stadium's max capacity for all MLS Cups. It's not the FO, MP, etc. it's 100% MLS. This is the same as it was in Seattle, Atlanta, Toronto, etc.


FlipKobbler

It was not the case in Atlanta, we were allocated 1700 tickets which was 2.3%. Thats why I'm asking if it's a newer rule. I support 10% allocation rule if so, that's a good number


xplant87

10% allocation is being enforced now due to our measly 2.3% in Atl. That’s my understanding.


PNWSoccerFan

https://www.oregonlive.com/timbers/2018/12/major-league-soccer-says-they-increased-tickets-allotted-to-away-supporters-at-mls-cup-to-a-record-1700-due-to-demand.html


db0606

It was most definitely not the case in Atlanta. We got 600 seats in Mercedez-Benz stadium, which used their expanded capacity configuration that allows for 75,000. That's less than 1%.


PNWSoccerFan

https://www.oregonlive.com/timbers/2018/12/major-league-soccer-says-they-increased-tickets-allotted-to-away-supporters-at-mls-cup-to-a-record-1700-due-to-demand.html


db0606

Right but still chump change for a stadium that sits 70,000+


Dempsinho

I struck out 3 times today... had tickets in my cart and then GONE when I tried to pay immediately lol Anyways... when mls cup is held in football stadiums... aka Seattle, New England, Atlanta... you know with 70,000 seats... are tickets this hard to get?


jgill2495

Went to the final in Seattle in 2019 and the answer is no. Tickets went on sale and I got three seats without any issue or queue and it took all of thirty seconds


ElasticSpeakers

Atlanta Cup tickets were hard to get for me (didn't get picked in the 107ist draw), had to pay inflated prices for those.


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apelkey1

Damn that sounds nice. PP could benefit from another 10,000 or more seats it seems. Wonder if that’s even feasible considering it’s age.


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db0606

I mean, if we can make some tendies out of the rich people while we do it, tear down the MAC.


ripcity93

Fuck the MAC, it’s just a place rich people in Portland go to play connections and nepotism. I’ve lived in this city since I was a kid and got my first chance to spend a day at the MAC when I started working in finance after college. I feel bad for the people who work there, as the vast majority of people who go there are out of touch with reality.


ExiledOkie

I can't find the source, but I recall that they researched past adding seats to the South Deck. However, that comes at a significant cost as the seating has to be pretty steep to allow clearance between the stands and the MAC. If I recall, they project it adding 1,000 to 2,000 seats at a cost that almost rivals the east side expansion they finished a couple of years ago. At that rate, it would take decades to recoup the cost. They also explored the Southwest Corner, but that would add even less seats. Anything else requires demolition. Tearing down the MAC would require Peregrine to buy that land - at what is assumed to be a ridiculous cost. That leaves only the West Side and North Side of Providence Park - the historic areas of the stadium. That's probably a non-starter for political, financial, and historical reasons. For all intents and purposes, Providence Park is done.


apelkey1

Thanks for the detailed answer. I mean, for 95% of the time I think the stadium serves its purpose. I think if you add thousands more seats they may start to struggle to fill the place. It would just be nice to have them for these high profile games haha.


ExiledOkie

I think your right. As a STH, it became harder to sell tickets at face value in the latter half of 2019 after the expansion was finished. Prior to that, I only had problems for the midweek games against less-popular opponents. The extra ~5000 seats seemed to hit the sweet spot of satisfying demand without over-saturating the market. 10 years from now, we may find the stadium too small as Portland-area continues to grow. Honestly, that'd probably be a good problem to have.


TrolliusJKingIIIEsq

Would it need to have clearance between the stands and the MAC, though? Couldn't it be built right up to the MAC, leaving a tunnel below?


Disco99

I can't imaging the MAC would want the unwashed plebeian masses even coming close to touching their building. But seriously, what I heard from an engineer is that even approaching building against the MAC would require demo and work from their side as well as a significant number of variances and permits that could be held up indefinitely. And, the MAC has no desire to accommodate any stadium needs.


ExiledOkie

Short answer is yes - there would have to be clearance. The MAC would have to have the ability to due routine maintenance on their building (siding, window washing, etc.). There's a reason all property had to have a certain offset from the property line. The other option would be to essentially "attach" the new stadium to the MAC building, but that would require substantial cooperation from the MAC and an ungodly amount of engineering design / review. At that point, it'd be severely cost prohibitive.


GoochGoochTheClown

I wonder if there was massive grey space on one side of the stadium, that could easily fit 10,000 people and create an even better, fuller atmosphere. If only... (*Cough cough* tear down the MAC *cough cough*)


jboarei

That stadium also holds 25-30k more seats than what Seattle will normally sell for a regular season match. That’s not the case here, we can’t remove tarps and provide more seats.


dripdripdrop2021

I doubt it


westgate141pdx

I bet the # of STH tickets available to only STH queue, had almost nothing to do with any factor other than the number of STH’s. There we’re lots of non STH’s who got tix today in the non STH queue. Then there’s the 2,500 NYCFC tickets, which is like 1/10th of the total tickets, and there’s no way that there were only 2,500 NYC fans trying today. It was probably 10x the demand over supply. I feel bad for anybody who tried and didn’t get tickets today, but, our collective questions need to also weigh the fact that LOTS of people actually got face value tickets today…and this is not very common this day and age.


acquiesce

> There we’re lots of non STH’s who got tix today in the non STH queue. No there weren't. Everyone I talked to that wasn't STH didn't get shit. Where are you getting your facts?


mifitso

my buddy is not a STH but had access to the second presale and got tix


acquiesce

> There we’re lots of non STH Ok, well one buddy doesn't equal "there were lots" lol Happy for your buddy.


madkona

Agreed. STH for 7 years and didn't get anything. Know another STH for 15 years (pre MLS), nothing. I get the limited supply but why the FO allowed STH to buy more tix than their STH amount (STH with 1 ticket could buy 2), why they stuck it to STHs with surge (dynamic) pricing, and why they they haven't come forward to pay the SeatGeek fees for STH buying on secondary market is trash. Require IDs and match tickets to IDs and get rid of secondary sales altogether! Go to the game or don't. FO is party to profiteers taking advantage of real Timbers fans STH or not to line their own pockets.


acquiesce

> Require IDs and match tickets to IDs and get rid of secondary sales altogether. Agree with ID (when I've gone to EPL, they require passport or ID) but not secondary sales. Bought tickets for Man U @ Chelsea once and it took me refreshing the page maybe 5,000 times (no joke) to get a legit resell through the website, but I paid basically FV. Not allowing resells is kind of rough for someone that has something come up, so maybe resell through PTFC website (not SeatGeek - that's the problem).


BoHackJorseman

Did they? My friend group sat online and got nothing.


hikensurf

The 10am STHs did, yes. That covers everyone I know.


acquiesce

We're more curious about the "there we’re lots of non STH’s who got tix today in the non STH queue."


GoochGoochTheClown

I would not say "there were lots" considering there was literally only 500 available to non STH according to the timbers [twitter](https://twitter.com/TimbersFC/status/1468385843370856449?t=HZN8vOjxCSwx0f4QLeAkmA&s=19) It's a pretty big oversight imo.


acquiesce

There weren't lots that got tix. Not sure what they're on about.


DysClaimer

NY got 2500? Didn't we only get like 600 or something in Atlanta?


shidensn

Themselves and the people who give them money


terrorllama

WTF don't people understand about this NOT being a normal regular season match!?! Come the fuck on and put on your big girl and boy pants for fuck sake. The Post Season is not the regular season, you should know this by now, stop bitching already. Please and thank you.


HisTeethAreOffsides

I want the TA to be presence at the match and I’m not convinced that we will 😢


acquiesce

Man, I have the opposite opinion. PP gonna be rocking.


terrorllama

Bitching about it doesn't do any good, so stop. Buy a ticket or stfu, I'm tired of hearing this whinny ass crap from everyone. If you want change, pressure MP into expanding PP or building a new stadium so you all get "fair tickets".


HisTeethAreOffsides

Of course you are right. I’m just whining. I only want to support our team and bring home some silverware. Thanks for responding!


whlname24

How is hoping that a core part of home field advantage is available to us bitching? Any Timbers fan should be hoping there’s a TA no matter how many Reddit posts you have to see about it.


oregonianrager

Fair tickets isn't the issue. It's none, not even a chance. Considering I was paying, what $26, $34 with fees just a few weeks ago, yeah I think alot of people are justified in the sheer rape that is going on. Your tone is the one of concern. Nice and lubed up and ready for it.


hikensurf

It's a championship event. This is fairly typical. I obviously understand the disappointment and by no means side with the other guy, but what's with the phrasing man. Gross.


joshing_slocum

Truth. Everyone is soooo whiny. I spent 2 hours trying to get tix yesterday, but got bupkis. Disappointed, but my big boy pants are on.


Mogswald

Except for the fact that I had no issues for the conference final.


Super-Eggplant2833

Disagree. The allocation of tickets was not a fair distribution. Being upset when corporate interests >> fans has nothing to do with “big boy pants”. You comment is churlish.


terrorllama

I never said it was fair.


Hollywood_Dave

They gave them to seat geek for scalpers. I usually get tickets from sponsors and believed them when they said they had me covered. They didn’t get any as I write this. I’m an idiot for not having a back up plan. By the time I realized what was happening (because I was at work) It was too late. When I got through the cheapest ticket was $650 plus fees. I also know people who have been season ticket holders for a decade that didn’t get shit. I am still in shock over the handling of this bullshit. How many teams have the fan base we do? How many teams sell out every game even when we suck. They did everyone dirty….


BoHackJorseman

Some of us so planned ahead as best as possible still got shit.


vagabond_primate

Will there even be a Timbers Army? No Tifo? No capos? Just a bunch of sight seers who can afford the price? Are we even hosting this game?


acquiesce

Yes TA. Yes tifo. Yes capos. Few sight seers. Yes we're hosting.


vagabond_primate

Yeah, I was in a bad mood last night. Apologies for the shit post.


acquiesce

No worries. Hope you're feeling better.


PDXPuma

I don't think Capos are back yet, are they? Haven't seen them at the front of the sections, just up in the main stand.


db0606

There were capos at the WCF up to like 103. The last basket in front of 101-102 was still empty.


hikensurf

Pretty sure sightseers won't be sleeping outside the stadium to pack the 100s. I would expect TA to be its typical self. The 200s have always been hit or miss in terms of chanting and all that.


dj10show

Fuck Garber