‘Dune’ HBO Max Series Enlists Diane Ademu-John as New Showrunner
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Finally a show about the mysterious Benny Jesserheads
I hate the name 'Bene Gesserit' no idea why but it irritates me. Wish it had been called something else as I loved the books :)
Like many terms in the book, it has basis in real life. Not sure if Gesserit refers to anything (maybe it is a future modification of Jesuit), but [“bene” is a root in many languages that refers to “good”. ](https://www.wordreference.com/definition/bene-)
The reference could be to Hebrew, where Bene would be more like “children of.” There’s a lot of Hebrew in Dune. If that’s the case and Brian Herbert is right that Gesserit is a bastardization of Jesuit, that would make them the descendants of the Jesuit order.
I used to call them the Bean Guess-erits.
Sometimes I call them the Fanny Jesuits in my head, which isn't that far off in meaning.
I just read it as 'Bennt n the jets'
Benny and the jesserets!
There's something about it that just sounds PARTICULARLY made up
This is as exciting to me as the films. The Bene Gesserit are as interesting as any component of the Dune universe, maybe the most interesting.
I always thought it was a shame that Lynch's 1984 Dune made it seem like the Fremen prophesy that Paul fulfilled was a coincidence. It was the Missionaria Protectiva of the Bene Gesserit. They planted that prophesy into the Fremen culture so it could be used later to manipulate them.
The planting of the prophesy in Fremen culture in the books always seemed like it was glossed over to me, but sometimes I think it is the only book written from the perspective of the ruling class that actually understands them, and how little such a thing actually means to them. Like the idea of manipulating an entire culture, is a small subplot to your larger plans.
Yeah, and like it doesn't need to be over explained that this isn't actually a divine fulfillment of prophecy. Herbert gives his readers more credit than that.
It's mentioned a few times in Dune and again in Messiah and again when Stilgar is having trouble coming to terms with being lied to just before GEOD.
Predicting the future, then plotting to make it so...
Damn witches and their plotting
That just sounds like a plan with extra steps
So, the movie and the TV show will have the same story/plot?
The TV show will take place in the same continuity as the movie, but it's a side story (probably a prequel) detailing one of the important factions of the Dune universe.
No. The movie is based on the original book. The series is based on a different one. Same universe.
Not at all. The Bene Gesserit exist in the original book, but this is a serious focusing on them, probably around that same time or even earlier. There are later books in the Dune series that focus on the BG, but thousands of years later.
I personally hate that shit, where anyones decision means nothing, because someone had a future vision about it and can use it for their advantage. It makes characters journey worth... goddamn nothing. It was something that was supposed to happen, so fuck it.
edit: Just imagine that on your own life. You hear (in this case) a prophecy about where u'll end up and... then u end up there. No matter what. Don't u feel like a fucking stupid puppet? That's how i felt for many of Dune characters and I did not like it.
> I personally hate that shit, where anyones decision means nothing, because someone had a future vision about it and can use it for their advantage.
That isn't future vision. Planting is what the Missionaria Protectiva does. They do it everywhere they can.
I think you're misunderstanding this completely, because what you're saying seems backwards to me. The 1984 adaptation makes it seem as if he is legitimately fulfilling a prophecy and is actually divine. The book makes it clear that the prophecy is a tool knowingly used by Paul and Jessica so he can seize control of the planet.
edit: typo, clarity
One of the many themes in Dune is the idea of free will in the face of godly precognition abilities.
The Bene Geserit don't see the future, they use centuries-worth of collected human history and science to intuit the likely outcomes of particular actions. It is explicitly mentioned in the series that the Bene Geserit *did not* expect Paul's rise to power or the level of control he would be able to attain through the use of prescience.
In later books, the Bene Geserit are basically trying to figure out how the hell it happened and how to undo what Paul did.
In later books, before the no-ships, Leto II's only blind spot was other prescient people. It was as if prescients were the only people with free will, and everyone else was like inert objects, bouncing off each other according to simple laws of physics.
The Golden Path is not some simple “no one has free will” predestination. There’s also plenty of exceptions to Paul’s visions.
Paul and Leto II show that there is absolutely a cost to their decisions, even if they are prescient. It's their entire struggle.
> Given extraordinary abilities by their mastery of the body and the mind
Those abilities and mastery of body here meaning that they have complete and utter control of their reproduction and basically shadow rule the universe by controlling everyone's breeding.
Man, what a wild universe this is.
Not to mention when you get into the later end of books and the Reverend Mothers come into play and it became the war of the sex witches.
Are there more orgies?
Oh boy are there orgies.
But seriously, there's a bit where the Idaho ghola and evil sex witch Murbella basically try to out-sex each other, seeing who can give the other one the better sex and forever enslave them into being their sex-buddy.
For the uninitiated a Ghola is somewhere inbetween a clone and a zombie.
Can't help but wonder how far ahead in the series Jason Momoa read before taking that role.
The Ghola is introduced in the second book
And is one of the most persistent characters. Not a bad character to go for if it takes off and or goes to premium series.
In case anyone's unaware, this is an actual euphemism taken from the Dune novels.
Jack and crack witch week in space is gonna be wild
I think you mean Honored Matres
I do, it's been a while admittedly
> The show was ordered straight-to-series at HBO Max in June 2019. Set in the universe of Frank Herbert’s epic “Dune” novel series, “Dune: The Sisterhood” is told through the eyes of a mysterious order of women known as the Bene Gesserit. Given extraordinary abilities by their mastery of the body and the mind, the Bene Gesserit expertly weave through the feudal politics and intrigue of The Imperium, pursuing plans of their own that will ultimately lead them to the enigmatic planet Arrakis, known to its inhabitants as Dune. It will serve as a prequel to the films.
Looking forward to the show. If it's successful, I hope that we get to see other series focusing on the Butlerian Jihad and/or the Spacing Guild.
> Butlerian Jihad
If they did this, I would really hope it would be actually how Herbert envisioned it, namely a ruling class that used thinking machines to enslave the rest of the human race and then they are overthrown, rather than what it became under Kevin J Anderson, which was "What if Dune, but Terminator?"
That's the only Brian Herbert/Keven J. Anderson novel I read. After finishing it I nailed it shut to my kitchen wall to make an example out of it for my other books. It worked too, as every book I read since then has been much better.
It’s too bad Brian is involved with the show. Hopefully he doesn’t get much of a say in its outcome.
Yes please. Give me *Dune Encyclopedia* Butlerian Jihad, not *Machine Crusade* Butlerian Jihad.
Wait, what did Brian make them about instead?
Blah blah blah, thinking machines (read Skynet in space) want to eradicate humanity, blah blah blah Bene Gesserit can now perform kame hame has, blah blah evil computer escapes and returns for the sequel books, blah blah blah magical space macguffin makes it all disappear, blah blah countless dead if only she had turned up sooner, blah blah Leto II does fusion dance with Sandworms and fights robot army with lasers.
When i saw the headline, my immediate first thought was, "I guess chapterhouse would make the most sense as a show."
Raised by wolves was pretty decent, can’t wait to see what this looks like
This got a series order two years ago but is pretty much still in development from the sounds of it. It seems like WarnerMedia is waiting to see how Dune performs before it truly green lights this spin-off series.
Yeah looks like they want to see the reaction. It has potential to explode and be huge but the director is not known for making financially successful movies even if every single one has ranged from great to amazing.
BR 2049 was the only one that wasn't a big success financially and that's due to its disproportionate budget for the type of movie it was (because otherwise it actually did good and is its most successful movie)
Yeah it still made ~100 million over its budget iirc.
Agreed. None of the others can really be considered huge box office successes. They just didnt lose their money. But Dune has potential. Its an epic story
Arrival doubled its budget, Sicario almost tripled it. It's not making a billion dollar but it's great financially, all is relative to its budget.
Of course, Dune has far more potential than those movies (but also need to do much more)
Movies have to double production costs to break even as there is alot of people that get a cut. Like theatres and studios. Noone is saying he flops. But for Dune we need it to be a financial success if we want to see the rest of the story.
Thanks for pointing that out I always wondered, like the theaters make something off the box office numbers so when a moves recouping its budget in ticket sales it's still in the red
Its rare movies actually turn a profit. Usually advertising isnt incorporated into the budget either which is normally equal to the budget. So big high budget movies have to get 2-3 times their budget back before even making any profit on the movie. Hollywood accounting is nuts.
If you compare it to the original, they both kind of did the same amount of "meh" at the box office. At least the franchise is consistent
Yeah, this series would be in an awkward place if the movie bombs and there's no sequel.
I really hope they both do well, because Dune is an amazing and expansive universe that can span dozens of shows and movies, it's not just one book.
Dune should have been a $150 million a season TV show to begin with! They are definitely not short of source material for a lengthy TV run and we live in the era where TV shows are getting the sort of blockbuster budgets a series like Dune needs for a proper adaptation.
I think books like Gateway or The Forever War are more suited to big budget movie adaptations than Dune.
And the sequel, too.
The original writer/showrunner was fired a while back, like a year or more ago, and reassigned to work on the script for the movie sequel. This has been in limbo since then. Seems like they are resuming development now that the movie is three months out.
I thought the show runner left to work on the film?
He did, the second one. My original comment mentioned that. But I remember it being reported that producers did not like what he was doing with the show at that point, so it wasn’t like a “Let’s focus on the movie for now,” sort of thing, it was a, “You’re not right for this project, let’s put you on something you did well with.”
Oh okay. No worries.
B B B Benne and the Gesseret.
Oh Duncan and Gurney, have you seen them yet?
Oh but they're so spiced out,
Sian Phillips was awesome in the original (and in *I, Claudius*).
The thumbnail is a very confusing before and after.
Spice - not even once
Finally there's some movement on this project. I was wondering just earlier today when watching the new Dune trailer whether it had been scrapped. Been salivating to see this since the day it was announced!
Frankly I would be happy if they finish the old syfy miniseries as they still hold up even with the dated fx
Good to hear this isn't dead, was worried that it was going to get lost in the Covid shuffle.
I've just been really hoping that they roll cameras before the film comes out, in case of the film bombing at the box office and killing this. But, it looks like that isn't likely (rolling cameras before release). So, a lot on the line with the Dune release, hope it goes well.
I assume that’s her on the left, yeah?
That does not sound good.
why? jesus why not just adapt brian herbert’s books? Or does this mean Dune Messiah/CoD/GEoD/Cd are going to be made into movies?
>jesus why not just adapt brian herbert’s books?
Because they are bad?
that’s my point. This is just fan fiction and you saw how that worked with Game of Thrones
So because one person is bad at writting a Dune story everyone is?
HBO is pretty bad at fan fiction
Are you referring to anything other than the final season(s) of GoT?
Because I liked Watchmen. I like Distant Lands.
GoT decided they’d just skip books four and five and just do shitty fan fiction
So the final seasons of GoT was bad, and therefore nothing produced by HBO, regardless of the showrunners or writers, should ever be set in an established universe while not being a direct adaptation.
So they definitely should not have made Watchmen. Right? That's what you're saying?
It's a one-month old account with unhinged right wing shit in the post history right so you can probably guess what it is about this show that turns this person off in principle, with no actual justification.
I smoked pcp 6 years ago and felt unhinged. I was seeing right wing conspiracies in dune posts. A little more pcp was all I needed to even it out though.
Do you have a single reason for saying so or are you just being negative for the sake of it
Why is that?
Most likely, yes. A novel story created for the universe with a meh showrunner on a mid-tier streaming platform is likely gonna suck. You're being downvoted because people in this sub take criticism of their favorite products personally because it's their whole personality, hence the unwillingness to engage critically with media that you see here.
It would always be nice if it doesn't though.
>You're being downvoted because people in this sub take criticism of their favorite products personally because it's their whole personality, hence the unwillingness to engage critically with media that you see here.
They're being downvoted (with good reason) because they're stating an entirely dismissive opinion about a project that has had very few details released. An opinion that was stated in 2-words with no rationale or argument behind it.
> very few details released
>A novel story created for the universe with a meh showrunner on a mid-tier streaming platform
When did HBO Max become mid-tier?
HBO drastically started to reduce in quality once AT&T bought them.
" Mare of Easttown" lacks quality?
By subscribers, they are in the "some people have it" territory vs someone like Netflix which is more "most people have it" as far as streaming consumers go.
As far as their actual output, I'd say it's a load of junk so far with only a few exceptions (Raised by Wolves, etc.).
They're adding subscribers, not that that matters with the quality of the shows. And they only have a few "Max Originals" out, and the one you listed is also a sci-fi, so that's a positive.
Cool, not what I was talking about, don't care.
So they are doing a series?
Is this separate from the movie?
Thought this was going to be a movie?
TV has evolved now to the point where it's on par with movie production.
wait, we are getting both a Dune movie and a TV show??? hyped for both but damn producers really are running out of ideas and content for the masses