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Post Match Thread - R13 vs Hawthorn (and umpires)

Post Match Thread - R13 vs Hawthorn (and umpires)

SerialCouchAddict

I want to be clear that I do not think the umpires are the reason we lost that game. I think Hawthorn were clearly better. But fuck the fucking umpires man.


stavraki

it's been a very hard last 3 rounds with the umpiring hahaha


v9x18

Swans own fault. They never called out the robbery that was the 2016 GF. Umpires know they can get away with shafting us and we'll just sit there and take it. They'll never get over us stealing Buddy from their love child


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lolmanic

5 - McInerney, kept running and running and running and if the team had been as clean as he was we would've played much better. 4 - Amartey, looked positive after the first quarter. Buddy, Heeney, Papley, McDonald all disappeared and didn't get involved, Wilbur unfortunately out with concussion. 3 - Rowbottom, clamped Mitchell up for a bit 2 - Wicks, showed up late and had he kicked those two goals could have had us back in the game but fluffed his lines instead. 1 - I actually can't remember anyone else worth giving a point to, so Papley gets one vote for telling Ray he's a fucking shit umpire


Maximumlnsanity

I am absolutely counting that last vote


lolmanic

The voice of the people, ol Papsmear


sierraoscar19

Shit ROI from Papley in giving him a spray - my initial laughter faded fast as Ray then went on a mad umpiring tear by handing Hawforn the next 14 bullshit frees or whatever


sparcleaf22

Clamping Mitchell was literally the only thing Rowy did well today. I'm going to go full u/sacreda here and say this was basically his worst game of the year. Weak pressure, stupid decisions, taking the play on when he had no chance and getting pinned multiple times, getting destroyed in contested play and at clearances, almost always second to the ball, he was horrible and he does not deserve 3 points.


sacreda

Ok i wasn't gonna mention him but i feel like your decision to @ me has left me no choice. I still think he'll come good but man he's a shadow of his former self rn, just doesn't do a lot right. I hope he gets it together :(


lolmanic

A counterpoint, the reason you noticed Rowy was because of the mids he was the only one who was trying to have an impact. JPK, Mills and Parker were largely unseen, and couldn't even get to the contests. Badly beaten for pace and especially on the taps. The fact Rowy could get to the ball was a point in itself. He also got ten tackles and a few clearances. He took the game on and bit off too much but that's because he was trying. He wasn't good, but he definitely was not our worst midfielder and at least he managed to curb Mitchell's influence. JPK tried and failed and so Rowy got put on him.


Maximumlnsanity

Weak pressure? He laid 11 tackles, what the fuck do you mean weak pressure. His decision making and clearances were on par with our other onballers, none were that great today but you can hardly single out Rowy for that. Also imagine complaining about someone taking the play on in a game where we were trailing the whole damn time, fuck that notion. He was one of our better players today albeit that's not saying much


sparcleaf22

He laid that many tackles because he was almost always second to it, plus he also got brushed off multiple times way too easily in the first half.


Maximumlnsanity

You don't get 11 tackles just because you were second to the ball a few times


uselessscientist

There isn't a team in the league who doesn't feel that their team get shafted by the umpires, but the last three weeks (hawks, saints, blues) it has felt particularly difficult to be a swans fan. Are the swans not tackling hard enough? Should they be dropping the ball in the tackle? Should I stop drinking whilst watching the boys play? The answer to all of the above is probably yes, but it still hurts. Has anybody else here felt that the umpiring this year has been worse than previously, and if not, please teach me your Zen ways


stavraki

I think generally we sort of sit in a fairly neutral pocket sometimes good calls sometimes bad calls. These last 3 weeks have been abysmal and tonight I was genuinely laughing at points (like that non-call deliberate out-of-bounds that was about 10x worse than the one paid against us earlier). I think we really need the bye and hopefully, we put in 3 strong contests in the next month. I think we're a good chance to pip any one of Port, WCE and the Doggies but will be the underdogs in all three contests. I just pray that Razor Ray is nowhere near any of those games


petemed

Totally agree. Genuinely laughing at some points. If you’re gonna call a soft free, then just call soft frees all night. The inconsistency is pretty frustrating.


stavraki

Yeah absolutely. While I'm not exactly in favour of a poor interpretation of rules, as long as they are paid consistently throughout the game I am absolutely fine with it because what is and isn't a freekick within a game is clear. Last night it felt like two different sets of rules for the teams. I don't know it just seems too far-fetched for there not to have been some sort of favouritism going on, there were directly comparable incidences throughout the game with opposite results.


PluggersLeftBall

dirnking does not help....


uselessscientist

I do not envy your head in the morning


Maximumlnsanity

implying he'll wake up in the morning rather than the afternoon


sierraoscar19

If you want to be more Zen I’d suggest not drinking during matches. If it helps I’d suggest a guided meditation: I’m now mentally travelling back to last nights post game segment where Abbie Gelmie was wearing jeans that were so tight I’m calling spray paint rather denim. You’re welcome


Maximumlnsanity

Horny on main alert


PluggersLeftBall

ko so first thing is we played like fucking shit. likle we couldnt hit a fuckng hand ball or a kick or tka e a mark or anything liek serousl.y like i get it sbeen fucking cold and ur hands all freeze up and shit but like we need to be better than that. we didn't attack the footy, our skills were shit. BUT IM SO FUCKING DONE WITH THIS FUCKING UMPRING . SIEORUSLY. WERVE PLAYED 13 GAMES THIS YEAR AND weve had the umpire giving us anythig against richmodn and a quarter against freo. every isngle other second weve been taking it raw up the fucking ares. afl is a game of runs, HOW THE FUCK are we meant to come back when everytime we even posses the ball and it hits the ground razor rya immediately igves it back to the other side for some soft thing. like momentum is a fucking thin.g im so fucking sick seroiusly horse please go off i'll even chip in to help pay ur fine just get razor ray rired or something


PluggersLeftBall

also what does stpeh have to do to get a game seriously.


petemed

I agree. Momentum is a thing. People can say that a free kick here or there shouldn’t change things but of course it does. So when it’s not there and it’s paid it does damage.


thisisboyhood

English?


Maximumlnsanity

man's drunk, give him a break


thisisboyhood

He's a mean drunk too haha.


Maximumlnsanity

I'd say passionate lmao


stavraki

Not much to say about this one... should've been better, can't deny the influential role the umpiring played too. The task in front of us is clear, win 5 of the last 9 and we'll play finals. 3 Top 8 clashes coming up and then 6 bottom 10 clashes, I'd say if we can't pull off more wins than losses in our last 9 matches we aren't ready for finals anyway.


BernieIbini

One of the most frustrating performances in a long, long time for me. A must win for our finals hopes when you take a look at our fixture. Infuriating, but I hope we can bounce back against some tough competition after the bye. Love to see Joel Amartey showing he belongs at AFL level too.


Vulturiser

Correct me if I'm wrong but this all starts with our midfield. I know it's not cool to say but Hickey didn't really help us much. One way or another his taps just didn't go to advantage. Kennedy was the best of them tonight but it doesn't say much. Parker, Mills, Florent and Rowy were all very disappointing tonight. It's not the first time either. I've been noticing it for several weeks now. Can't get clean possession and the first guy with half a second just bombs it long. There's more issues than that but without a functional midfield not much else is gonnna work. Also is it just me or was the umpiring the worst thing you've ever seen in your life?


Maximumlnsanity

Hickey got beat at his own game tonight and we just couldn't build around that. I think his tapwork was bad tonight but most games it's passable which is a lot better than the alternatives (RIP Cray). Rowy was good, had 10 tackles, 5 clearances, 21 disposals, and clamped Titch for a bit. Parker and Mills were fine, I just think our Centre Bounce setup makes them look worse than they actually are. Florent was quiet, can't really defend him


Meh-Levolent

Florent's decision making sucks. The last 3 games he has kicked inside 50 with zero vision when we have had players completely free and cost us goals as a result. He tries to be a hero far too often.


petemed

RIP Cray! Lol. Yeh, he’s cooked.


proudlysydney

Florent seemed one of the best from live at the ground. Not that that’s saying much but eh.


Maximumlnsanity

Stats don't back that up. He was ok but didn't get near it enough until garbage time


proudlysydney

yeah I see that. just felt like he actually gave a shit even if he didn’t get the reward


Maximumlnsanity

Yeah can't fault him for his effort, just didn't get enough of it


proudlysydney

That was kinda how I did my votes- I couldn’t base it off stats but more on “who looked like they actually gave a fuck”


Meh-Levolent

He gets to the ball okay, it's just his decision making when he has it is terrible.


vote_pedro

This is spot on. Hickey - agreed. Saints also outplayed our midfield. Yes the umpiring was the worst in some time, and that's saying something.


Maximumlnsanity

Tell ya what, I want a please explain from the umps and AFL for the bullshit that was piled on us tonight. Doesn't help when we just let Hawthorn walk all over us. I'm not doing positives and negatives tonight, just wanna forget this game exists Votes: 5 - Rampe 4 - Kennedy 3 - Mills 2 - Rowy 1 - Amartey


DEjeynes

We would have definitely lost this game either way. And hopefully this is a wake up call because we’ve been playing some poor footy this last month. With that all said, I’m so fucking sick of the umpiring lately. Both the Saints and Carlton games were also infuriating, and I honestly didn’t enjoy watching any of those games, despite winning /rant


bigboymcevoyyyy

fuck the umpires. however we were never a chance of winning. let's leave it at that. oh and amartey was great. not much else tho fucking depression rn


Luck2TY

We deserved to lose, but I'm fuming at the umpiring, it just feels like we never even had a chance. I think the players felt it in the last quarter too. Whats the point in running hard and tackling hard when its just going to be a free kick against you. I hope Horse rips the umpiring in the press conference, a fine would be well worth it given how poor the umpiring has been in our recent games


chngminxo

I felt a bit bad for them in the last quarter. They gave up trying because what was the fucking point when every single time we had a chance there was a free against us.


Meh-Levolent

Horse would never do that.


CowFos

I don’t have much to say other than I was impressed by McDonalds work rate. He did well to try and insert himself into the game by pushing way up the ground, even into the opposite 50 to try relieve the pressure and provide a target.


sierraoscar19

I am so angry. How can we slide so much from giving Richmond and Brisbane a bath to letting this homebrand bunch of hapless dickheads a win. NORF beat them just weeks ago. Rampe was good. Amartey tried hard. Everyone else fumbled, dropped marks, chose shit options and essentially played as if we expected the Hawks to hand us the win. Four consistent quarters of shitful sub-par footy that would’ve seen us beaten by a bottom of the table VFL team. I can’t do votes to be honest.


lolmanic

I think we've hit the learning curve part of this team's development, where they have to figure out how to get more consistent but also to work through these tactics that other teams will now implement. There was very little pressure and expectation at the start of the season and now we are seeing the team get hunted and they haven't been able to really work through it yet. A few times they tried to brute force it and reverted to the 2019/20 era of bomb it long when there were shorter targets. Other times, they sought to take the game on and just made it up instead of following any structure. I think it'll be a good loss and learning for the team in that they now know they can't expect wins and that being hunted isn't much fun. Fingers crossed for a few big ins, especially in defence, Melican and Brand were missed tonight, they got ragdolled in the back half and looked severely undersized.


PluggersLeftBall

we ran into the same problem against melbounr but that time is was because meblurne defence was just too good. this time it was because we couldnt hit a target so the ball came to ground and we just had to bang it on the boot leading to shit entries. i odnt think we went in low after the first quarter until like 3 minutes left. We really need to pratice skills in the bye or like warm our hands.


EaTheDamnOranges

Look I know he's popular in this sub but we all need to dispell this idea that Robbie Fox is any good. Poor disposal, frequent clangers. Tonight wasn't his worst but we should be giving people like O'Riordan and Ling in front of him. Hawthorn just out-bodied the swans in every aerial contest tonight. Gotta give props to Clarko, that physical strategy easily won them the game


Meh-Levolent

Fox was far from our worst.


sparcleaf22

THANK YOU!! Irritates me to no end how many people think he's a locked in best 22 player just because he finally had an ok to good season. Fox's stupid mistakes, poor defending and lack of height literally cost us like 3-4 goals today.


dazedjosh

Fox off the ball is a fucking liability. He was deadset painful to watch at the ground. He's slow hand off his man to a teammate when they try to switch defenders using run arounds and he consistently lets his man drift unopposed. The same thing happened with St Kilda. He can easily be manipulated into mismatches. He was almost as bad tonight as he was against Melbourne and that's saying something.


Maximumlnsanity

I don't think you can blame Fox for getting mismatched onto McEvoy because Hickey didn't follow him down or McCartin failed to impact the contest. Criticism for that deserves to go to McCartin or Hickey, not Fox. Like seriously we're supposed to plan around these sort of things and the backline just fucking didn't and Fox was the unfortunate victim.


lolmanic

Yeah McCartin had a stinker, several times in the replays he loses McEvoy or Koszitski (sp?). Got totally outplayed and looking tired.


Maximumlnsanity

Yeah idk why he's not being criticised more, he was worst on and actively contributed to the loss. We can win games if we lose the midfield battle, but we can't if either of our key defenders badly underperform. Rampe can't be superman and cover all 3 bigs


dazedjosh

McCartin isn't getting criticised for it because he's constantly having to cover Fox. Ditto Rampe. It's been blatantly obvious at the ground the last two games. Fox's off ball work has been fucking terrible. The Melbourne game was his worst because his mistakes were obvious even to those watching on TV. Then he redeemed himself a bit against Collingwood, but the St Kilda and Hawthorn games were up there with the Melbourne performance. The problem is that Fox sags off his opponents so he can try and spoil, but he's not covering his man when he goes to switch with whoever Rampe and McCartin are defending and his distance from his opponent is leaving the two of them in no man's land where they have to cover two opponents because Fox isn't sticking close to his man. The last two games at the SCG I saw it a dozen times or so in each game so it is something that opposition has clearly figured out. Fox's man would drag him down to the goal square and then drift out to either flank, where Fox would allow him to go and half heartedly pursue him, giving him a 10-15 metre gap to work with. Once Fox started moving, the tallest forwards would start drifting toward the goal square clumping McCartin and Rampe together. Fox's man would then loop back around and start a hard sprint towards the goal square and his teammates, who then split creating a gap between themselves that they can exploit. Fox's opponent would pick a target, and force a switch, but Fox couldn't handover his man properly because he's too far away. At that point it's dead easy for the forwards, they have a mismatch and open space. The criticism of Fox is entirely warranted. He's not accountable off ball, and it's fucking our defensive structure. Teams have figured this out with him, and they've been exploiting it repeatedly with what are clearly set plays against him.


lolmanic

Ahh that's good to know, hard to see that when its only the replays but explains why there was always one person spare all night. Makes dropping Brand an even weirder decision?


dazedjosh

I'm guessing they didn't expect the Ceglar move. Reeves in the ruck probably doesn't have the same impact, he probably doesn't understand the matchups as well as the veterans, and he doesn't know the required running patterns to exploit them. If Reeves plays, he probably rests forward in a less mobile manner, meaning he doesn't create the same space for his teammates, creating fewer one on ones. Who was it last night? McEvoy, Breust, Ceglar, and O'Brien as the four main talls, with rotations through the ruck, but also Koschitzke as an extra tall. Not the lineup to go small. If Reeves plays, they have less space in the forward line, we can bring it to ground more often as a result of getting numbers to the marking contest. What was really interesting to see last night was the Hawks created space by spreading wide. Jiath was brilliant at this. Not just what was shown on TV, but his off ball running created large gaps. Considering it's Clarko, I'm thinking this was intentional by the Hawks. They were coming off a 10 day break, we were coming off a 6 day break where we were already starting to look tired. He wanted to spread us out. He was right. Clarko is the fucking man for a reason. He might be a bit of a cunt, but fuck me he knows footy.


Maximumlnsanity

I'm not really defending Fox, a blind man could've told you he didn't play well, more saying that others aren't copping the criticism they deserve. You've got good insight here, you're picking up stuff you'd miss on TV and honestly it makes Fox's performance sound so much worse (we shouldn't be playing him tall at all).I still think Tommy Mac had a shocker though. Multiple times he just didn't impact a contest he was in or right nearby. He's meant to be the guy in our forwardline who kills pack marks and he just hasn't been doing that recently, he's been playing bruise free footy. Yes Fox doesn't help his positioning but it's not like he doesn't deserve blame. Jake Lloyd has been a better defender than both of them in the last few weeks


dazedjosh

It's not Fox shouldn't be playing tall. He shouldn't be playing full stop. His repeated failures are directly impacting his teammates ability to defend their opponents. He's a broken link in a chain. McCartin can't impact contests properly, because he has to cover Fox's man. Fox shouldn't be out on the field at all. Once McCartin has been caught out by Fox's poor positioning a few times to start the game, he then can't trust Fox for the rest of the game, meaning he has to try and cover that. You can't play him small, because forwards like Ryan, Tippa, or Greene, are just as capable of running similar patterns and exploiting the same weakness, but using Lloyd and Cunningham as the victims instead of Rampe or McCartin. This is a fundamental problem in his game. Our next 3 games are against the Power, Eagles, and Dogs who have three of the tallest forward lines in the game and who also happen to have some very good small forwards. Fox can't play in those games, because he leaves his teammates exposed far too often.


RoarEmotions

I don’t believe we should be playing Fox beside Lloyd, we already have size issues down the back. Fox can still be the future but he is not the now.


dazedjosh

Preaching to the choir on that one mate. He had a decent season last year when he was our only option but he's reverted to type this season. He's depth and that's it. He was one of the worst culprits tonight for letting his man drift unattended while off the ball and the rule changes this season have exposed all of his weaknesses. He's had one OK game this season. The rest have been poor. The sooner Melican is back the better. Should also be noted that our next three games are against the Power (Dixon, Georgiades, Marshall, Ladhams) Eagles (Kennedy, Darling, Allen), and Dogs (Naughton, English, Bruce). If we go into those three games with Fox over Brand or Melican, we deserve to lose. They are three massive forward lines, especially when their rucks rest forward. If Brand and Melican are both fit I'd actually play them both alongside McCartin with Rampe as a medium defender and a mix of Lloyd, Cunningham, COR, Hewett, Ling as the small defenders.


sierraoscar19

Fuck me dead. Being physical is hardly a cunning strategy - as a contact sport you’d hope our players and coaches might have seen that one coming


PluggersLeftBall

play stephens!


BrizzyMalteser95

Hewett and Fox in that back 6 means we literally enter games with an unnecessary defensive handicap.


sparcleaf22

Hewett was way better than you're giving him credit for.


BrizzyMalteser95

I'm actually not saying either of them played badly, it's just that having both of them there leaves the defence extremely unbalanced. I get players can be turned into defenders, but neither are naturals at it and having them next to a young key defender and a makeshift key defender leaves us so unbalanced down there. Dawson is a midfielder turned defender and Lloyd wasn't even a defender to start his career with us (was another midfielder lol), so Rampe is basically the only natural defender we have in our back 6.


proudlysydney

I guess I’ll do some votes 5 - Amartey 4 - Florent 3 - Kennedy 2 - Bell 1 - Myself, for sitting in the cold watching that entire thing live


Maximumlnsanity

... I need an actual 5th please


proudlysydney

Taylor, for his first half performance


jonsnow2002

We have been so inconsistent this season it's fucking annoying. However two things have been consistent, the swans being consistently shit against a shit team and umpires consistently fucking us over . Nothing else to say . Just gonna head to bed and forget about this shambles of a performance.


LordBenswan

If we’re being honest with ourselves, I think our lads went in to the game tonight expected to glide through, and once that pressure was applied by Hawthorn they cracked. By the time we steadied ourselves the deficit had been set. However, I was at the game. That was one of the most inconsistently officiated games I’ve ever seen. I try not to place blame on umps, because I feel it’s cheap, plus we usually cop it from the Melbourne crowd so I think find it distasteful by association. But the amount of No calls, more so than the frees paid to Hawthorn, had an effect on our ability to build any momentum. Countless in the backs not paid, tackles gone unrewarded, and there were 3 times (by my count) that Buddy was blatantly held during an entry. Hopefully this is a wake up for our young lads, to never take games lightly and play hard every bounce. I feel like it was a poor omen that Chad Warner was the rookie out, as he’s certainly the one in my book who is never complacent in the contest. My only B&F votes go Dane Rampe, Luke Parker and Josh Kennedy. Each tried their absolute hardest to kick start a comeback, a damn shame their efforts were in vain.


dieselUtility_1289

5- mcinerney 4- kennedy 3-wicks 2-mills 1-amartey That was disgraceful. Lost so much contested footy, had no hunger at all for the ball. Terrible skills and gave the hawks free space nearly every play it looked like. Confident we can bounce back but fuck me we need to bring more intensity if we are gonna make finals. Razor ray can suck a big one 👍 go swans


chngminxo

What a frustrating game. I don’t think we deserved to win, Hawthorn were the better team, but the umpiring was so shithouse it prevented every run we had. Every time we consistently built pressure and had structure, some bullshit umpiring call cut it off, making us completely unable to develop any momentum in the game. That wicks mark in front of goal in the third could have been enough for us, but having the free paid against was so disappointing. Still, love the boys. Looking forward to them getting a week off, I thought they looked totally cooked out there. Hopefully after a spell, we’ll come back with Gulden and Chad and get another run at it against Port. (Is it just me, or do we always play better against teams we’re supposed to lose to, and completely collapse against teams dubbed easy wins?) My votes are: 5- JMAC. Honestly our best run in the whole game. Wish the rest of our mids put in the same effort. 4- Amartey. The rest of our talks were sucked into the ether, he was great up forward. The best thing to come out of tonight was him kicking his first (and second) 3- Rampe. Genuinely the only structure we had down back. 2- Kennedy. He seemed to steady the troops when we needed it most. 1- Idk who else deserves one but probably going to give it to Papley for telling Razor what we were all thinking.


hvdub

Jmac gonna lay a tackle this year? Offensive game from him is dynamic and brilliant but he doesn’t defend like a 2 way mid should. Time to bring back lizard and stephens into the fold. Also agree that Fox is done, straight swap for Lewis when he’s back.


Maximumlnsanity

Jmac definitely needs to work on the defensive side of his game but he's only in game 20ish, it'll come with time hopefully. At least he still tracks back to clog up the backline and cover the open side of the 50 when necessary


vote_pedro

5 Razor 4 Razor 3 Razor 2 Razor 1 Razor


Luck2TY

It's supposed to be our best players, not Hawthorns


Meh-Levolent

Insipid. Ray Chamberlain should be sacked for that performance. He was clearly bias after Papley gave him a spray. That's all I'll say about that. But other than that, Sydney can only blame themselves. They were terrible. Completely outplayed on every line. After that performance, I'll be surprised if they make finals. It looks like the kids have hit the wall. But who knows, maybe the bye will reinvigorate them. Amartey was good, and McDonald did well despite not kicking any goals, but I think Wicks and Bell need to go back to the VFL. Looks like we'll lose Cunningham for a while too, so potentially 3 changes there. Hopefully Gulden comes back in and then Warner and COR get the other two spots. No one deserves votes, but I'll give them anyway. 5 - Lloyd, 4 - Rampe, 3 - Kennedy, 2 - Amartey, 1 - Mills.


minimme

football is cruel mistress


Maximumlnsanity

Off topic but when's your next video coming out man?


minimme

Monday my dude assuming I get sponsor approval :) took a bit of time off last month, needed to reset a bit


Maximumlnsanity

Yeah that's fair, nothing wrong with taking time off. Any sneek peaks into what the topic's gonna be or legally ya can't say anything?


minimme

The 2006 Scarface game, such an interesting GTA style thing. Keen to finally talk about it. Lots more obscure stuff to come after that too


Maximumlnsanity

Bro that's such a perfect game for your channel that I thought you'd already done it lol


sparcleaf22

This is the worst performance of the year hands down. At least with Gold Coast we were basically missing a good chunk of our spine. No one deserves any points. When fucking Bell is one of the better players on the ground, shit's fucked.


chngminxo

I can’t believe we played Bell over Stephens???? I fuckin miss Braeden and Errol.


dazedjosh

No effort, no desire, no intelligence, no composure, no votes. I'd love to see Kingy just show that whole game from behind the goals because I was up there tonight and the worst thing about the game was the amount of times Hawks forward and back flankers were able to peel off their man and run to the opposite flank without a Swan anywhere near them. They beat us up in the contest and then repeatedly had spare men waiting for the ball because we weren't accountable off the ball. That was pathetic.


uselessscientist

Ok, I've had my whinge about umpiring, but time to vote. 5- Rampe 4- JPK 3- Florent was pretty up and about tonight, and whilst he wasn't great disposal wise, who was? 2- Amartey. Had endless doubts about bringing him in last week, but he's shown that he's a solid player. He's not going to be the next Grundy or Cox, but he will be a damn fine player if given the opportunity 1- JMac, partially because he was pretty good, partly because I said he should be dropped and I feel like a goddamn moron for that. Also, zero mentions of this outside of the match thread, but I hope Cunners is ok. He's been incredible for us the last few weeks, and should his concussion cause issues beyond the bye we could be in trouble. Hopefully he's alright


Maximumlnsanity

I thought Cunners pinged a string, it was Wilbur who got concussed and subbed (our next game is more than 12 days away so he'll be fine to play)


swany467

Anyone have an idea what paps said to razor? Love to hear it


lolmanic

Probably something like "you can't take 2012 away from us you filthy hobbits"


Meh-Levolent

"Excuse me good sir but I disagree with your previous decision"


Bracks3

Hopefully we can learn from this massive backwards step, otherwise we might as well start planning 2022. We got given a classic Clarkson lesson - talent is no match for effort and tactical structure. The defensive spread was outright poor (JMac really needs to fix this up in particular, as well as being a poor tackler and pressure efforts over the last few months). Our inside mids were looking way too slow with the favoured centre bounce setups (Kennedy/Parker/Mills/Rowy) struggling once the ball hit the ground. This looked better once Florent was injected in the final quarter, but the team had given up already at that point. They missed Warner in the middle and it might have been worth giving Heeney minutes in there to change up the dynamic. It didn't help that Hickey had his poorest game in Swans colours. And it was the worst game Fox, McCartin and Rampe have played as a key combo, but perhaps this was more a failing at the selection table. Brand could have added some much needed height for Hawthorn. Wicks, Papley and Heeney tried hard, but they repeatedly failed to get front and centre for the crumb and to apply pressure, which compounded the poor kicking of our mids. Votes were hard to give out, basically no one had above a 6/10 game, but here's an attempt: 5 - Amartey 4 - Dawson 3 - Rowbottom 2 - Florent 1 - Lloyd


RoarEmotions

Umpires work for AFL House. See the big picture!! Victoria is dead against a resurgent Swans.


Maximumlnsanity

We're through the looking glass here people


agnosticfrump

Coming in late, after a rewatch (yes I like pain, I’m a Swans fan). Yeah, they kicked off to a great start. We were playing catch up for the half of footy. Which is fine, that’s what we do best out of every team. What killed us, basically, was really poor umpiring over that time. I won’t say his name, but there is no way that man should be umpiring at this level. And Papley had the hide to say it. Any momentum was killed. Any free kick we managed to get was in the back half wing where we couldn’t catapult, and this took out our midfield mains who were forced to go back and be taken out of attacking positions. This was not Clarkson being a good coach. But fuck he used it. A mix of 2014 loss, and atrocious umpiring of 2016 GF. Looking forward to what comes after the break.


Maximumlnsanity

> I won’t say his name Razor Ray lmao


agnosticfrump

The Cunt