By - rebobbecker
Fully wireless here. Beam attached to TV, two Ones for rears and a Sub. No issues.
Exact same, but no sub. Router is on completely other end of my apartment, fully wireless, no issues whatsoever.
Edit: since having a good internal wireless connection had been mentioned, I have a Netgear XR 500
Any issues software updating the surrounds and sub? I have to unplug the beam so they connect direct.. No issues otherwise.. But I've forced them onto 5GHz and implemented STP etc on switch as per sonos support docs
I've had none. It's been completely straightforward. I did not force them onto 5ghz nor implemented anything specific, but I've had no issues. I plugged in, ran the app, and it has all worked.
Same setup, same results. It’s awesome and I’ve had no issues.
Five ones spread around the house, all wireless without issues. What is the point of a wireless speaker system if you have to plug it in to the network?
By plugging in a single speaker it enables sonos net, effectively putting the speakers on their own network independent of the rest of your system. This is intended to improve network stability for just the speakers. You do not need to run a cable to all of them but a single speaker, I have my playbar hooked to my router
I understand how it works, but again, it defeats the purpose of a wireless system. My routers aren't located close to my speakers, and I'm in an old house where running cable isn't easy. I've got a basic mesh wifi system with over 50 devices on it an never have any issues with the Sonos equipment. Generally if people need to run SonosNET, it is likely because they don't have decent wifi - if you do, there should be no issues.
You asked “what was the point” of plugging one in and the response answered that. It doesn’t “defeat the purpose of a wireless system” of say 8 speakers, with one of them being plugged in in cases where there is significant interference. It doesn’t matter how “good your wifi is” in an apartment building in nyc
I like you thinking. Exactly my view. Thanks for your reply.
You can always use a Boost if you can’t hardwire a speaker.
Holy Crap. I didn't know these existed. Unlike most on here, I have have a good number of problems with 2.4ghz Wifi interference. I think this is exactly what I need to help. Thanks!
Short history lesson….. originally, Sonosnet had to be used, there was no conventional Wi-Fi option. Sonos (reluctantly) launched support for Wi-Fi without Sonosnet because that’s what the competition does, but has always recommended Sonosnet for more solid performance. It becomes more important as you add more speakers. HTH.
Or use a used Symfonisk instead of a Boost similar money, same funktion and music when you work on the router.
Exactly what I *don't* want to do. 😉
Ok, but you said you didn’t want to wire a speaker whereas the Boost is a discreet little puck - it is easily hidden and Sonosnet is worth the effort.
For another $100. Having spent $850 so far, I'm not anxious to spend another $100. However, the general consensus seems to be that my system *should* work. Since I've had few problems in the past with my Beam and only slightly more with my Echo system (chalked up to Amazon mediocrity), and seeing all the positive responses here, I'm optimistic.
Note that for most of those positive responses, they mention needing good Wi-Fi. You need to make sure that you have a good signal wherever you intend to place a speaker. If it's not rock solid, you need to make changes to your Wi-Fi network. Note that this does not mean going out and buying the biggest Wi-Fi router you can afford. Those can sometimes create more problems.
I don't know how big your home is but you'll probably find that most people having a good experience with Sonos on Wi-Fi in medium to large homes have a mesh network or multiple access points (APs) to cover the area. You might also find that many of us here are geeks with pretty good networking experience which means that some of these responses are coming from IT pros that know how to adjust the position, signal strength and channels of their Wi-Fi APs to avoid interference and dead spots. If you don't have such experience, you may want to ask a techy friend of yours to assist.
Because SonosNet is essentially a self-sufficient mesh network where every device adds to the coverage, I feel like it will almost always be the best and easiest choice. But if you're adamant about not running it, make sure you get your Wi-Fi coverage in place and you should be good to go.
We've certainly seen a good amount of users here that put a Wi-Fi router in a cabinet and place a speaker in the far reaches of their home and then complain about their speaker not working. Please don't be that person.
While I'm certainly not the best and the brightest, I have checked my signal in the area I'd be placing the Ones. The signal strength is excellent, in the -40 to -30 dBm range throughout the room where the Beam and Ones will be. The measured strength is also very consistent; nearly a straight line over time. In addition, I've not have issues with the Beam at all. Thank you for your detailed comment. Fingers crossed. Ones arriving Thursday.
Not anxious to spend another $100? This is Sonos we're talking about! You'll spend the extra hundred and you'll enjoy it, mister!
Also, buy a Sub.
FYI I'm seeing some used Boosts on Ebay for under $60 USD
You just need good wifi. Not internet connection I mean your wifi needs to be solid.
So you may have trouble if you are just using what your provider gave you.
I have a beam, to ones and a sub.
Wireless and using a mesh. Zero issues.
I have a full Sonos HT in the living room and a Beam in my bedroom, all are hardwired except for the pair of ones.
I was fully wireless for years without any issues. One day recently I tried plugging in my Arc, just to give SonosNet a go. With SonosNet is better than without, no doubt. But, had I not tried it, I would have been perfectly happy with full wireless.
What differences did you notice?
The immediately noticeable change was when grouping different speakers together - nearly instantaneous response on SonosNet whereas with WiFi it usually took ~2-3 seconds for it to take effect.
Sometimes (rarely) on WiFi the grouping wouldn’t work at all - though I’d just try it a second time and it was fine. With SonosNet I don’t think it has ever not worked the first time.
Again minor things here that never really bugged me on WiFi, but certainly SonosNet is an improvement.
gotcha. So sound quality is the same, just quicker grouping speakers?
I definitely notice it takes a few seconds to connect together, but it's never really been a big deal (as you said).
I'm eventually getting an amp to power outdoor speakers, so I could hardwire that and create SonosNet from there. At least, I think I could...
I’ve not noticed any differences in sound quality. Quicker, more reliable grouping/ungrouping and such is my main takeaway. If it’s easy to run a cable then definitely do it but don’t go out of your way.
When i run the outdoor speakers, the closest place to run wires is right next to my router. Really couldn't be any easier.
Just paid for a flagstone patio, built a new deck, and got a new hot tub. About tapped out, going to have to wait a bit to buy more Sonos. LOL
I’m almost completely wired. I have 18 speakers including 7 amps. The app is so much more responsive when wired.
havent had any issues with all wireless, have 3 different speakers. i have a good wifi though
Full wireless, I also run a mesh wifi network and I've had zero issues.
I've never had issues; A move, three Ones (two as a pair) and a beam with two One surrounds. All Wifi.
If you have a good WiFi router, you'll be fine. If you have a crap WiFi router, all bets are off. And by "good" I don't mean one with lots of weird antennas and a ton of marketing, I mean a router that actually works correctly *when communicating between devices* on your local network across wired, 2.4 and 5GHz. So that means ASUS fall into the "crap" category, as do several BT routers.
No issues, Arc, Sub and two Ones using Nest WiFi. A few months ago the Ones and Sub were randomly disconnecting, but I think it got fixed because it hasn't happened in a while.
Whole home wireless here with no issues. I have 13 different Sonos speakers all running wirelessly
I have sonos speakers all over my 3,000 SF home and none of them are hard wired. With good WiFi they all work perfectly.
An alternative is to pick up a Boost and wire that to the router.
Fully wireless! One SL, Arc + Symfonisks!
I have an arc, sub, two ones for surround. Wiring the arc as the only wired vs no wires at all made no difference. YMMV of course.
Fully wireless, Arc SL+Sub+2 One SLs. Never had any issue. I do have 1 Gigabit FIOS with the router in the same room
Beam, Sub, and Symfonisk Lamp so far. No issues. I’ve got a Netgear Nighthawk R7000.
I started having issues at the beginning of the year. Sonos was able to help me identify too much traffic for my aged router. TVs, speakers, smart bulbs, tablets—it was like the 405 at rush hour. Picked up a new router, problem solved.
Fully wireless here. Beam in one room, two fives in separate rooms, and move that roams around the house.
Completely wireless since I started. Beam, Sub, 2 Fives and 3 Ones. Never had issues.
I have about 12 Sonos speakers throughout my home and they are all completely wireless, with the exception of the connections to the TV(s). Running a ubiquiti network and have no connectivity issues with S2. Its all about having good network signals / correct settings.
>*needing* to hard wire one Sonos speaker to the router for solid performance.
I question the needing part. It's good practice to connect one speaker when possible, just in case. Because, it can't hurt and can potentially help. But I doubt many setups require it. Sonos was designed first and foremost to be a wireless speaker system after all.
Sonosnet is a boost for weak networks. But if you have a decent wireless network, you should be fine without it.
It may seem like many people have issues without here, but that's because it's people with problems who post online looking for solutions. The users who don't have problems, who are the overwhelming majority, have no reason to post about it. Classic selection bias.
We've got six Play 1 speakers, a Play 3, and two Play 5 speakers all running wireless from the same Unifi AP AC Pro.
It works very well.
Fully wireless, but I have very good wifi with multiple hardwired APs covering my house. I could hard wire most of my Sonos but choose not to as I don't want Sonosnet adding interference to my wifi.
My TV is next to my router so I just have the playbar hardwared. Makes the Sonos system rock solid.
I am no issues- Arc, two 1’s and sub. Although, arc cuts out now after OLED upgrade to c1 for eARC….only on arc.
Fully wireless. Arc with sub and symfonisk surrounds. Another stereo pair of symfonisks and 4 Ones around the house. It’s on an eero mesh and still works properly. I’ve had a problem before when hard wiring a One and I lose the Arc for some reason and have to hard wire the Arc to reset it.
All depends on your network and how much interference etc . Good luck
Fully wireless here (technically, my Beam is wired I suppose, as it’s over HDMI). Amp, Roam, Stereo Ones, Symfonisk bookshelf. No issues on a Netgear Orbi mesh network (three nodes).
started fully wireless with Arc+sub+2*One and it fine for ~99% of the time, but had few dropouts here and there, so wired it to router since that thing was literally under the desk where Arc was and switched to Sonos network solution and no more dropouts…
Keep in mind that I live in an apartment and 2.4 Ghz network is quite congested in my location and sadly not all Sonos devices I own can connect to 5 GHz
I'm unclear on the 2.4/5 GHz use when one speaker (the Beam) uses only 2.4 and the others (the Ones) use both. I assumed that if the speakers are set up for surround sound all three would use 2.4. Not the case? The congestion in my condo complex is similar for both, although 2.4 is a bit more spread out.
for best results, I would say all devices should be on same band. From devices I have, I think only sub was capable of 5Ghz, so I didn’t even try it.
at the end of the day, testing is the only real answer, since there might be variables that we aren’t even considering that could improve or ruin all wireless experience for you…
wireless came a long way, but when it comes to stability it’s still has a long way to be as good as wired solutions
I’m wireless in an old house with thick plaster and lathe walls: 2 fives in the living room and an IKEA Symfonisk bookshelf in the kitchen, both on the main floor, and a beam upstairs in the den
Fully wireless here. Beam, two ones for rears and a sub. Never had any issues at all.
Just installed a beam, two speakers and a woofer. Have Had it less than 30 days and it is buggy AF. I already had to unplug every single thing because the ARC connection on my TV decided to stop working. Right now I’m trying to play Spotify and it is saying Sonos radio is down. The sound quality is great though. I Had hard wired speakers for 15 years before this and had zero issues like this. I did not hard wire anything to my router. Is this normal? WTF. What can I do to fix this?
Usually the problem is your WiFi, although Amazon is (semi) down at the moment - hence the streaming problems.
Solution - wire the Beam to your router, or get a boost (or fix your WiFi).
My Beam is literally one foot from the router, and it’s a decent router. Will that really make a difference?
Well plug it the hell in, if it’s that close!
Yes it will make a difference. You can be *too close* to a router - everyone makes a big deal of “I only get X speed and I’m 1 foot from the router”. WiFi *doesn’t work that way*. It’s not “loudest signal wins”, it’s “quietest signal slows everything down”.
Poor signals from distant devices slows everything down, as the whole network has to wait for the slow signal to end before anything else can transmit (even if you are 1 foot from the router). Distant devices can be your neighbour’s cell phone, router etc.
So plug your beam in, pick a channel for SonosNet that is different to your WiFi (only use 1, 6 or 11, or the off channel interference is horrible), and see if it makes a difference.
I’m a mix of wired and wireless, and the wireless units in the bedroom drop off a lot more regularly than I’d like. Think g about trying a Boost.
Fully wireless. 5 zones/rooms but not an elaboeate setup.
arc/sub/symfoniskx2 in basement ht
beam - livingroom
amp - lounge
move 1 - office
move 2 - wifes office (though both Moves, er Move at times.)
i use 3 eeros for my mesh wifi though i did use a single r7000 netgear router before but had seperate 2.4 and 5 ghz ssids... biggest issue was changing the ssid it used switching from netgear to eero but it was solid on r7000 and its been solid on eero mesh, even as i have added speakers. Originally only had amp and beam.
I have beam to a tv, playbar to another, 2 play 3s as rears, sub hooked up, play 1 in basement, play 1 in kitchen, 2 play 1s in garage. All 100% wireless (other than power cord :)) No issues here!
Full wireless using Sonosnet with a boost. No issues. Have Arc, sub, playbar, beam, some ones and a three.
I’ve always been wireless. Just hooked my Playbar up to my router since it sits literally right next to it but don’t notice any difference. Doesn’t matter imo
Full wireless set up, no issues since adding Boost
Arc + Sub + 2* One SL. Living Room
2 * Play Ones. Office
1 Play 3. Kitchen
I use groups too to stream to all devices on occasion and so far no issues.
8 speakers - all wireless. No issues. I have rock solid wifi setup. And all iOT devices incl SONOS are on their own SSID