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v1nzy

Can someone link me to the post for Özils goal against Ludogorets? Trying to find it but cant.


mentallyguitared

Hahahahahhahh my body is dying but what a display. Brilliant and emphatic as ever Gareth. Im sure it'll be a splendid showing come November


maxus998

If i was Italian i would be disgusted that i lost that game. Even if is just a Nations league game, thats a list all time unbeaten streak vs Germany in official games


PumpedUpMatic

Sorry but that Darwin photo of him signing the contract looks terribly photoshopped Here's hoping he flops


sewious

Cuz his photo is bad? lol I know thats not the reason but "This photo sucks, I hope he's shit" is a fun mental image.


1PSW1CH

Do you reckon he will? My in depth analysis of “Darwin Nunez | All Goals 2021/22 | Welcome to Liverpool | Potential to be Special” has pushed me to the conclusion that 95% of his goals are a result of calamitous Primeira Liga defending. Did alright in the CL too obviously but I wasn’t 85m impressed.


PumpedUpMatic

He most likely won't flop because Klopp is a fantastic manager and will improve some of the flaws he has Plus the guy has amazing workrate, never stops running and gives everything he can for the club Check Porto's [goal](https://youtu.be/qTBoW6rvBqU) v Benfica that gave them the league title, fella was the only one who bothered to run.


1PSW1CH

Yeah fair point, how is he in the air? Liverpool have been gagging for someone to get on the end of Trent’s 500 crosses per game


PumpedUpMatic

He's tall which helps, but he's jumping reach is also incredible, which means he can't be stopped when jumping His heading can very much improve though, sometimes he misses easy headers and other times he scores almost impossible headers


Oo_pP

Darwin scores goals for fun ~~against a 9 side B SAD team~~


fatinternetcat

does anyone else completely forget that these Nations League games are on until like 30 mins into the match


Zacatecan-Jack

I didn't even realise the England game was on at all until I started channel surfing out of boredom. Wonder what sort of viewing figures they pull compared to international friendly games.


_LebronsHairline_

Every time. Then I started watching Southgateball for 5 mins before I noticed Italy vs Germany was on.


chatfarm

Someone's mistakenly put a pic of a dancer on the sub reddit's thumbnail.


Oo_pP

That's Sporting's Legend Nani, making a little celebretory dance while downing Loures 1-0


No-Shoe5382

Building a boring defensive framework to play football under because defensive teams usually win tournaments is putting the cart in front of the horse. You need a team that can play aggressively and win games but have the ability to sit back when they need to, which they will need to at the world cup. You can't just start defensively and think it'll always work.


TheConundrum98

For me, England do not have a good enough passing midfield to win the World Cup that way in the modern game. You need a calming influence. Rice, Bellingham, Mount, Phillips, Henderson, Gallagher etc. all fantastic players in their own way, but they do not know how to slow the game down


No-Shoe5382

Henderson can do a job at controlling the tempo (as he sometimes has to for Liverpool) but he's absolutely not skilled at it the same way a guy like Thiago is. It's kind of wild how weak our midfield is given that our last generation of midfielders included Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, and Scholes. Bellingham is the only one who seems like he might possibly be on the same level as those 4.


AlphonzoomDavies

Henderson 😭


No-Shoe5382

Manages to do it for the only club in European football who made all their available finals this year, more than good enough to do the same job for England. When he's with England he's playing alongside players who could only dream of playing at the level he plays at club level. Sterling, Stones, Chilwell, Mount and Walker are the only people who have any idea.


AlphonzoomDavies

Flexing losing finals. Liverpool really are desperate


msf97

Defensive teams do not win tournaments. They did it twice in the past 22 years. Portugal+Greece were both flashes in the pan. The rest would have more of the ball, which England do not against good teams.


Oo_pP

When people use the saying "atack wins games, defence wins titles" is more towards league type competitions Normaly, the league winners are the best defence of the league, managing to grind 1-0 results that give the same 3 points as a 5-0


AlphonzoomDavies

Normally the league winners are also the best attacking team


Oo_pP

My comment was more towards the point that the saying goes to competitions where consistency is key What you said is also very true


Alphavike24

What are your wildest football theories? Mine is that without Klopp coming into the picture Germany never wins the World Cup. Klopp brought the heavy counter pressing and high line tactics to Dortmund that took German football by storm and changed it forever.In turn Jupp Heynckes optimised his Bayern to make them a pressing machine and won the treble with them. Next year at the World Cup, Germany with Löw and Flick used these tactics as blueprint as the players were already accustomed to them.


Elliot_Kyouma

Klopp didn't invent pressing. The turning point for Germany adopting new points of view and focusing on youth development was their disastrous 2004 euro


sga1

I wouldn't ascribe that to Klopp/Heynckes, really. Germany under Löw evolved from a side happy to sit back and hit teams on the break in 2008 and 2010 towards a side looking to dominate possession from 2012 onwards - and part of that idea is winning the ball back high up the pitch and not letting your opponent have a breather with the ball. That type of heavy pressing was what Barcelona under Guardiola and Spain during their glory years employed, so it was hardly a new idea in 2012.


wonderful_mixture

Klopp was just one part of a more general trend in German football. It's not like he literally invented high line Gegenpressing, he just helped to popularize it. But the foundations were there before him. Most of of the German players that won the WC weren't really influenced by Klopps style


ankitm1

Thats some theory. Almost seemed like someone was moving the chess pieces one by one. And yeah, totally not the way it happened.


Numerous_Fan7673

Germany was already building a very good team from 2008 with the style you mentioned so I don’t think Klopp influenced anything


sga1

Wasn't all that much pressing in 2008/2010 tbf - there's a pronounced shift in style leading up to 2012 where Germany started looking to dominate possession rather than sit back and hit teams on the break.


msf97

Bayern wanted Klopp in 2008


Xey2510

I think your point is right but you miss the main point: Dortmund gave Bayern a huge shock with these two seasons and without those they don't recover to win 10 titles in a row and 2 triples. It's not even a theory it's kinda accepted.


Zacatecan-Jack

How are England *so bad* right now, during the nation's League? Genuinely. To go from a Euro final team to this in less than a year? What changed? Is it just fixture congestion in the prem affecting players? Have the tactics changed?


sga1

Very few of the top teams are looking good during this international break, really - I wouldn't put too much stock into it, given that everyone's playing teams about their level rather than getting that one easy friendly in which you just smash some poor minnows. Fatigue is definitely a factor I reckon, the players basically played for 18 months straight without a rest by now.


No-Shoe5382

I think our euro final and world cup semi final both made us look much much better than we are. If you look at the teams we played, we only beat one elite team in both those tournaments and they were playing their worst football of the last 20 years. We have great players but we're absolutely not a great team.


PumpedUpMatic

You could do this for France tbh, they even won this trophy not even 10 months ago


BoosterGoldGL

We’re playing multiple worse players


FaustRPeggi

Tactics seem to change every game, with little continuity. Which is understandable when this is the last opportunity to test new players, and a long season has just ended.


1PSW1CH

Nations League init


Numerous_Fan7673

Surely at least one or two from the major European sides will pick form before the World Cup? My money is on Spain and England


TheConundrum98

I still can't believe Croatia had 2 CBs from Spezia and Dinamo Zagreb in their first caps absolutely dominate France's and Denmark's attackers 2 games in a row


AlphonzoomDavies

Stanisic pocketed Mbappe


TheConundrum98

oh and that too


BoosterGoldGL

Is this sub back to criminally overrating Denmark?


TheConundrum98

no, I think they're solid, but they're weaker than us they've had great results over the past few years, but they have their limitations, but then again, which team doesn't?


OweKeyDoughKey

People here do seem to rate them highly, but it's more of a plucky underdog than actual contender situation.


BoosterGoldGL

Maybe, I’m just worried it was beyond obnoxious during the euros. Screamed of redditors trying to prove they know more


OweKeyDoughKey

For every Denmark "I told you so" there are 200 people who claimed Turkey were the dark horse so don't read too much into it.


AlphonzoomDavies

Can anyone explain why Italy keep playing with these random procedurally generated Fifa players?


Xey2510

They don't play any important tournaments soon so might aswell try new players.


AlphonzoomDavies

Might as well try to win the nations league tho


OweKeyDoughKey

I'm sorry but you will never convince me to use the match threads instead of this one. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they exist purely to keep the mentally insane away from the rest of us, but it's unhealthy to even go near one. It's as if you were watching the game in a cinema full of drunk uncles who are 100% confident they know better than everyone else.


1PSW1CH

Agree, I’d rather stay here and not talk about the game than go in there


oscarpaterson

Arsenal fans trying to tell me Ramsdale is elite will never not be funny


MKtheMaestro

Elite?! He’s an above average shot stopper but wow.


Luis_Carlos_Almeida

Below average*


AlphonzoomDavies

He really isn’t statistically


1PSW1CH

Man could have a ball rolling 1mph to his feet and make it look like a world class save


StarlordPunk

He’s like the opposite of someone like OG Ronaldo. Somehow the eye test actually doesn’t really tell the story


PabloPrigionii

Is Shaw hurt? Playing right footed fullbacks at Left Back is almost always dreadful. Happy Chilwell wasn’t rushed into this camp but Southgate can’t keep doing this


Luis_Carlos_Almeida

Yes he got the metal bolts in his leg removed.


Zacatecan-Jack

Fucking hell, I the recoup for that hurts. Hopefully once he's had some time out, he'll come out stronger. Disappointing this season but he was brilliant last season.


Luis_Carlos_Almeida

Yeah he was probably our best player last season, and im hopeful that Ten Hag can get him back to those levels.


PabloPrigionii

Ah. Good for him


pgecco70

Hungary have got sone really good players coming through and this hey should have done better in the qualifying ganes . The future looks good for Hungary.


PumpedUpMatic

Possibly Denmark, Hungary, Spain and Netherlands qualifying for the final 4 Quite unexpected to see some teams there (mainly Hungary and Netherlands), this is what makes the Nations League brilliant


probably_dutch

>(mainly Hungary and Netherlands) Excuse me you're talking about a 2019 nations league finalist here


LuisFilipeVieira

What happened in that final again 🤭


probably_dutch

We gained valuable experience from a glorified friendly


1PSW1CH

Recently came to the realisation that Hungary are actually a quality team, they’re going through something of a golden generation themselves. Have no idea if they qualified for the World Cup but I’ve got them down as a dark horse anyway, they’re gonna surprise a lot of big teams. This Sally dude’s got a bright future ahead of him. Forza Hungary


sga1

They've surprised me this international break, yeah - a handful of handy players, a very clear idea and some great cohesion probably won't make you a top team, but it definitely makes you good enough to piss in a top team's cornflakes.


PumpedUpMatic

They didn’t qualify for the World Cup, they finished 4th in their group with 17 points, behind the great Three Lions, Poland and Albania


1PSW1CH

What a shame. If they could score against England imagine how many they’d put past a team like Portugal


-Dwarf-

We score 3 against them.


1PSW1CH

That was the old Hungary though, not golden generation Hungary


-Dwarf-

Hmmm, makes sense


PumpedUpMatic

I praise England and this is what I get? I'm distraught and feeling betrayed


1PSW1CH

Sorry my friend, Southgate has trained me to always be on the defensive


PumpedUpMatic

Understandable


-Dwarf-

They didn't...


1PSW1CH

They were in a group with England to be fair so can’t hold it against them. Gonna throw 20 quid on them to win Euro 2024


X-V-W

Sandbagging before the World Cup Southgate is a genius


ElKaddouriCSC

New Zealand - Costa Rica you’ve served me well, looks like I’ll be watching the Three Lions


SamyChouchane

the more southgate ball i’m subjected to the more i desire to claim i’m brightonian not english


shxxxdy

Abolish uefa competitions, give the big clubs the super league they want and let the others play in their domestic leagues and cups


Cardealer1000

Burnley with a black manager what a time to be alive, first that fan at the spurs game now this.


ZaDoruphin

John Stones now has more England caps than Gareth Southgate, Jimmy Greaves and Paul Gascoigne.


StarlordPunk

How many premier leagues have those donkeys won


_LebronsHairline_

I hope Darwin can _evolve_ into a player with a better first touch. Get it? 😃


jay_alfred_prufrock

...


_LebronsHairline_

I'm tired Robbie. He's scoring 35 tho


PumpedUpMatic

Today, Beatriz Cameirão, a Benfica Womens team player, announced she won’t be renewing her contract with the club to focus on her education It’s unfortunate that Womens football is still very underappreciated and forces players to leave their dream behind because, at this time, it’s a huge risk betting it all on football and not having the money to live in case you don’t succeed


bootleric63

Mods need to do better at Pinning gameday threads especially when it’s a WCQ game


sga1

There's probably hundreds of them almost every week - and we only get two pins. They're flaired, they're searchable, and you can sort the subreddit chronologically to find the threads - it's about the best we can do, really, given we can only have two pinned threads at any given time.


RipJug

Fiorentina unwilling to pay the 15 million euros for their best midfielder this season. Cba with these stingy Italian wankers anymore.


suedney

This is top 10 injustices in world football material im witnessing here between Costa Rica and the Kiwis


Cawn123

7 minutes in, England haven't scored. I am beside myself, the flags are in the bin, the Stellas have gone into the fridge. If football is coming home, he's got my adress wrong.


jaanedejaanede

Least reactionary England fan.


-Dwarf-

Uhhhh


jim0wheel1

Me missus is going to have to beat herself up if it carries on like this. Edit: or not.


PumpedUpMatic

>the Stella’s have gone into the fridge Drink tea ya plastic


rho_93

[This is an address that you should explore](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/vca1lz/match_thread_england_vs_hungary_uefa_nations/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


Cawn123

I see the Germans are at least consistent in their efforts to have no fun.


delidl

Get the Stella’s back out. You can never have enough of them.


BI01

Why is southgate such a sakasexual man's played him every game, expect mount to come on later too ffs.


jaanedejaanede

Afraid that arsenal fans will start crying.


BI01

Arsenal fans want Saka to rest


Zacatecan-Jack

Probably trying to build his confidence in an England shirt after what happened in the aftermath of the Euro final.


BI01

Lol he had a great season his confidence is fine


Zacatecan-Jack

Form can vary between club and international teams, even for top players. On top of that, there's way more pressure in an England shirt, especially considering the abuse he got. I wouldn't blame him for feeling anxious about the reception he might get when he plays for England, but I do hope you're right.


Perinetti

Serbia will shock people at the WC, I’m feeling a third placed finish for them.


TheConundrum98

I legit want Serbia to do well, but they're known bottlers I'm afraid, they'll get in their heads and lose to Switzerland again


Perinetti

Their performances in recent tournaments have been shocking + the Serbs will see red against 🇨🇭 and lose concentration you’re right.


GreatSpaniard

They’ll lose to Switzerland in the groups or to Portugal or Uruguay in the last 16. Even if they somehow make the quarters they would have Germany or Spain I don’t see it


Perinetti

I’ve just seen their squad, and I agree a SF place would be crazy. RO16 exit it is.


StarlordPunk

In their group, or…?


Perinetti

They’re overdue a decent WC performance.


StarlordPunk

That’s not really how it works. They’re a decent side and yeah they could make a bit of a run but predicting them to finish third is one of those “throw everything at the wall and if it sticks come back and act like a genius” takes IMO. By the same logic you might as well say the other 3 semi finalists will be Japan, Senegal and Colombia


Perinetti

Colombia didn’t qualify lol Plus you’re taking it too seriously lad, everyone has a wild guess before these tournaments commence, who can forget Turkey being “Dark Horses” for Euro 2020?


StarlordPunk

That’s my point, it’s completely unrealistic. There’s a difference between a dark horse (which is a team who will do better than people expect and surprise everyone) and outright saying that a team who will struggle to even get out of the group are going to finish third. As someone else said, if they do get through over Switzerland they’re almost certainly playing either Uruguay or Portugal, and then likely Spain or Germany. That’s a really tough side of the draw


Perinetti

Costa Rica made a WC QF, so can Serbia. QF is a realistic target. Third place? Dreamland.


StarlordPunk

Costa Rica got a second round draw of Greece (and still needed penalties to get past them). There’s also a big difference between dreamland and “I’m feeling 3rd”.


Perinetti

Costa Rica did top a group consisting of England, Uruguay and Italy tbf. Not to mention they went that whole WC unbeaten. Also isn’t a SF spot “dreamland” for Serbia? I think it is.


sga1

England have been overdue a win for ages now, didn't really help them in any way did it?


Perinetti

England reached the SF last time, that for them is good.


sga1

And Serbia making it to the quarters would be very good for them - don't see how they'd make it past that, though.


StarlordPunk

Listen right…


sga1

Not throwing shade, just figuring that's probably the best illustration for a silly argument!


StarlordPunk

Yeah I know I was only being tongue-in-cheek with my outrage lol


doriscissorsfind441

I can't believe the club finally got player who can retain the ball against a press, regain possession and carry it up the pitch. Most obvious hole in our team from a tactical perspective now filled. So happy.


kplo

Who are you talking about here?


doriscissorsfind441

Bissouma.


StarlordPunk

Why is it that at the first sign of teams being close on a fee everyone just acts like a transfer is done now. I said the same about de Jong to United last week and got told I was an idiot for not believing talksport’s “player has said he’d go there” as a guarantee that a move was already finalised. Did we learn nothing from Mbappe


doriscissorsfind441

I mean, there are stages of done. This has the beebs saying it's done.


StarlordPunk

No it doesn’t, it has the BBC saying a fee is agreed. That’s a long way from done. They say it’s subject to personal terms being agreed with the player. That’s a very big step in a transfer


doriscissorsfind441

It's a big step depending on the transfer. It's not a big step in this transfer.


StarlordPunk

Like how Mbappe agreeing terms wasn’t a big step because he’s a boyhood Madrid fan who spent a year openly making eyes at them while they courted him?


doriscissorsfind441

What? That's an entirely different case? The personal terms were the only thing that needed to be agreed as he would've left on a free. This is a complete non issue in this case, 99% of the time.


StarlordPunk

Plenty of transfers fall apart when it comes to the contract, it is not a non-issue 99% of the time


[deleted]

Bissouma’s friend just posted a pic of him in the spurs shirt so basically tier 0


StarlordPunk

Liverpool themselves posted pictures of Fekir in a Liverpool shirt… I’m not saying it won’t happen, but people are way too quick to decide that a deal is done


jim0wheel1

Can tell some of these never lived through the John Obi Mikel fiasco.


Inside_Key_5356

I put a curse on him now he will be very injury prone, come back to me when the season ends and maybe I'll consider lifting the curse for a fee


avolcando

ANULO MUFO


Dayandnight95

What bothers me about Nunez is that he will obviously succeed. Even if his goal scoring isn't that great next year, the system will carry him. System matters so much these days.


ThereWillBeGoals

I'm very curious how a striker who isn't scoring goals is going to be carried by the system unless he's like a Firmino who is doing other things well (and a big part of the system itself)


Dayandnight95

He'll score more than he would of at United for example. Being slotted into a well oiled machine can make average players look good, and good players amazing.


ThereWillBeGoals

So he *is* scoring goals in your hypothetical then? Originally you said even if it's he not scoring goals he'll be carried.


sga1

They always have tbf - it's a team sport after all.


Harrry-Otter

Isn’t this basically “Players perform better in better teams”?


AlphonzoomDavies

Players in Klopp and Pep teams are more like cogs in a machine than individual football players


Dayandnight95

No you can have a good team with no direction. Some players thrive in that, others don't.


bloodylegend95

Martinez felt bad for Poland so he decided to play the worst possible attack he could even think of


melodyfelony

Hey man - Hazard has promised that he will become the player he used to be !


bloodylegend95

You know it's bad when current hazard is the best attacker


halal_developer

so another year without a goal


cdrxgon

just remembered when we released carlton cole, spent all summer searching for a new striker only to be turned down by literally every one and then the morning after deadline day we just re signed carlton cole again


michaelisnotginger

Still not as funny as going out in Europa qualifiers to astra giugiu twice in a row


cdrxgon

nothing in this sport can ever hurt me again after that episode


sga1

Another one of the many funny wrinkles in the Dildo Brothers' seemingly endless search for a striker.


MarcosSenesi

to reward Vincent Janssen for his huge feat of scoring two goals in the mexican league we're rewarding him with a starting spot against Wales


ElMasSata

Costa Rica winning vs new zeland to secure last spot in the World Cup 🇨🇷🇨🇷🇨🇷


showusyourfupa

NZ all over them and cheated out of a goal by a cheating ref.


ElMasSata

I'll give you that new zeland has the ball and Costa Rica is playing shitty but that was a clear clear foul.


showusyourfupa

Clearly not, the ref saw it in real time and said play on. He's out of his depth.


ElMasSata

You are biased af homie lol


showusyourfupa

As are you fella


ElMasSata

That was not a red card?


showusyourfupa

Nope. Fifa corruption at its finest. NZ player gets elbowed in the head, nothing. Wood pushed over in the box, VAR doesn't even look at it. Corrupt.


ElMasSata

Just take the L and go to sleep lad


showusyourfupa

Why would I, it's morning.


showusyourfupa

No. Studs on the ground. They dont want a minnow nation like NZ in the WC.


solgnaleb

oh no is that the last qualifier? two of my favourite countries :-( both so progressive.


700n10nk

Joe Cole ffs. This panel is more turgid than our football


Timely-Assumption539

Who are the current favourites for the WC according to this sub? Surely England is no longer one.