The disgusting way people are talking to and treating refs in lower leagues I'm not surprised at all there is a shortage


And professional players in the big leagues aren't role models either


I think that's really important. Professional football players aren't acting like professionals and role models in this regard. During my time playing in the German youth football system we as a team had the strict instruction to not complain to the referee. Otherwise we wouldn't play. Meanwhile professionals complain every game, even for useless things such as throw ins. How can amateur kids be more disciplined than professionals?


In all fairness I don’t think a big league has ever had a referee stoned to death, drawn and quartered, and had his head put on a stake after he stabbed a player. (This isn’t really relevant but I feel an obligation to share this batshit story whenever possible.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Otávio_Jordão_da_Silva




Yes, but I believe stoning, dismemberment, and then sticking his head on a stake may have been a bit too much of an escalation.


**[Murder of Otávio Jordão da Silva](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Otávio_Jordão_da_Silva)** >Otávio Jordão da Silva Cantanhede, a 20-year-old Brazilian amateur football referee, was lynched, beheaded and quartered by football spectators after he stabbed a player to death in a match he officiated on 30 June 2013. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


What the fuck did I just read?


2013!!!! This occurred 10 years ago!!!


Yep, we sometimes like to believe we left our animalistic nature behind but it certainly doesn’t seem so.


i mean he killed a player, the family got revenge after, fair rules i guess.


or managers? ​ remember when svenson got a red for saying "are you blind?" in the coaching zone? meanwhile nagelsmann stormed the room of the refs long after the game and called them names but just got a small fine? if the ref association is playing favorites we will always have that.


I'm not sure what you're talking about. - You get the freedom to pick^1 your own equipment - You get to see all the highlights of the surrounding area taking any route you want^2 - You get a huge expense allowance^3 I really don't understand why such miniscule issues like insults, threats, and assault make people pass on this amazing and lucrative opportunity. -------------- ^(^1 i.e. pay for) ^(^2 since you're paying for it) ^(^3 20€ for roughly 3 hours of your time)


>You get a huge expense allowance Tbf, you also get money for the distance you had to travel


not to mention that in some regions you (despite the shortage) still have to pay monthly fees in order to join the club you are officiating games for




watching kreisliga best of's on youtube is a good way to fuel your misanthropy for sure


i mean u can raise as much awareness as you like its not gonna change anyway. This starts at youth levels like C-Jugend once the puberity starts. It was already horrible 20 years ago and it hasnt gotten better for the refs regardless of awareness. If anything it has gotten a thousand times more agressive maybe it has gotten more verbal and less physical by now but all in all nothing has changed for the good. You have games and clubs on the lower levels where Refs simply refuse to go to because it always comes down to violence and insane verbal abuse every time.


I didn't care about that, pay was just shit.


Very good this. Without refereeing the "lower" leagues, the sport we love so much is in a less than ideal state (understatement) imo.


It's commendable, I think more players should experience refereeing themselves, even if it's only half a game at lower level. To realize decisions are not always that easy and obvious.


No one wants to be a referee and I can understand it. Being a ref in a lower division is even worse than to be one in the top flight. The abuse you get week in week out for almost nothing is tough, add to that the very realistic chance of being physically harmed, I wouldn't want to do it.


the "funny" thing is despite playing dogshit-football they expect a CL-level referee who's always next to the play and not making mistakes at all a team can miss 5 sitters in a game but if the ref caught one of their attackers in offside incorrectly once that for sure was the decision that decided the game...


We had a ref that always just said "you are shit at playing football and I am shit at being a referee. Seems like we are a perfect match". Great guy. Didn't take himself too seriously and neither did we. We all play for fun anyway which is something that a lot of people forget when you play in the low leagues.


yeah that's kind of the way I do it, too when someone complains about a bad offside-call I usually tell them to play better football if they want to have linesmen at every game since it's almost impossible to call offside correctly half the time if you're alone telling them that you're just human yourself and explaining how I got to that decision helped me a lopt to deescalate games before they even had the chance to escalate completely that said this obviously just works in lower leagues - once you get to the level where playerst start getting paid for their matches that's not a good strategy anymore - and from my experience the level between 100% hobby and some players being paid is the worst in terms of how players behave


The DFB has invited the two Bundesliga players and the experienced referee Deniz Aytekin to a press conference next Monday. A campaign will be presented there that will take place on the day of the international match between Germany and Peru in Mainz. According to kicker information, it is the prelude to a focus topic that the association will make about referees in 2023 in order to draw attention to their problems and the worries about young talent. Stach and Petersen will each referee one half of the game in the Rheinhessen Bezirksliga between VfR Nierstein and promoted TSV Mommenheim (kick-off 3 pm) on Saturday, 25 March, as first reported by the Allgemeine Zeitung Mainz. Aytekin will be on duty as a referee observer, but will also be connected to the Bundesliga professionals via headset. The deployment of Stach and Petersen is the start of a series of events planned by the DFB on the subject. In addition to general worries about young talent in the refereeing sector, the association is also fighting against the growing number of match abandonments. In the 2021/2022 season, 911 football matches were abandoned due to incidents of violence or discrimination. This is the highest number since the DFB compiled a situation report of amateur football in 2014 based on the online match reports of the referees. "For the first time in three years, we were able to complete a season without any lockdowns. We are pleased about this, but at the same time we have to note an increase in match abandonments for the first time, although we are still in the per thousand range. Most recently, we have significantly expanded our prevention and intervention work. We must not and will not slacken our efforts in this regard," said the 1st DFB Vice-President for Amateur Football, Ronny Zimmermann, in a statement issued by the association. After the rate of match abandonments had remained stable for years, this has now changed. On average, every 1339th match in amateur football was abandoned last season. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)


So is this like in the driving school where if he gets a decision wrong Aytekin will immediately correct him and it's basically Aytekin refereeing


Refs get too much shit in football from fans, media and the players, if we treated refs like in rugby it wouldn't be such an ungrateful job.


Of course there’s a referees shortage across various countries. Looking at how people treat the referees, whether it’s in person at the ground or on the internet in forums such as r/soccer, who in their right mind would want to be a referee? If you so your job perfectly, you probably go unnoticed. At most you get a small “credit where credit is due” remark. If you mess up (which we all do and do often because we’re bloody humans, not polished and perfect robots) you get a torrent of abuse from a myriad of sources. People are constantly complaining about the standards of refereeing. You want to improve the reffing standards? Solve the ref shortage. You want to solve the ref shortage? Prevent the absurd amount of unhinged abuse refs at every level of the game face on a weekly basis.


You don't even need to mess up to get abuse. If you make a close but correct call, the fans of the team you gave the call against will most likely abuse you.


Being constantly disrespected and assaulted for pennies is not attractive


Wild idea: pay the refs more and make it safe for them to lead a game


Stach will referee the game VfR Nierstein vs TSV Mommenheim. Nierenstein translated to English means kidney stone. So there's a town basically named kidney stone. Well there's also Darmstadt (bowel city) and Haßloch (Hate hole) in the region...


I like to think Mommenheim is something like “Mummy’s home” :)


Ill throw in remagen (deer stomach)


And don't forget the glorious austrian city named Fucking.(sadly they renamed themselve to Fugging in 2020)


raise awareness for shortages.. there's a reason for that so maybe let things pan out as they do until more people realize the problems and effects from it and the issues get fixed. Or not and amateur football suffers.