Why is there so much hate for city and less for PSG(I assume cause not English) but even much less for New Castle? Is it because they didn't spend much / were just recently bought?
Yeah, it was a general "Fuck em" but at the time it was funny because they were buying a Robinho who thought he was going to the other Manchester and still had Mark Hughes in.
I hold grudges, and the 3-2 loss in January 2012 that should have been a draw at a minimum was a Sliding Doors moment for both clubs.
If Balotelli gets sent off for stamping on Scott Parker, he's not on the pitch to win a late penalty, or to score said penalty. Even if that was the only thing that changed, we finish third, ahead of Arsenal, get CL football for a second time in three seasons, and they don't get their Aguero moment. And that's before getting into the ramifications that at that point in time it was a 3 horse title race, and falling out of contention over the next couple of weeks is what allowed Redknapp's head to be turned by the England job
People dislike clubs that spend a lot of money. People dislike clubs that are state owned.
When you combine those and the club is also winning then the hate is even more.
The hate for Newcastle will grow as they spend more and more money and start having serious conversations about winning trophies.
PSG everyone hates, but they're not in the news right now like City are so people aren't talking about them as much. Also, they're in the French league which, whilst I'm sure a thrilling league for the other 19 teams, isn't as popular as the other 4 big leagues. Still, PSG *are* absolutely hated. Especially in Spain, because they've f\*cked over the big 2 clubs a fair bit - Barcelona by taking their star players, and Real Madrid by not selling them Mbappe.
Newcastle as you say because they're very recent and haven't yet begun spending as much. I think people are so sick of the 'big 6' teams in England that they're happy for an outside team like Newcastle to compete. In a few years, when Newcastle are the new Man City, people will soon turn on them.
I don't think people think PSG is the lesser of the two evils, just City directly affects the team my league plays in, and thus is the more pressing matter to me personally.
Obviously sports washing owners are bad for the sport, but sports washing owners who actively cheat is slightly worse than Newcastle's owners.
Newcastle is because it’s too recent, they’ll get their fair share of hate if they actually start competing for titles and spending more. PSG is absolutely despised but no one cares about Ligue 1 so they aren’t talked about as much. 90% of discussions on this sub are about the Premier League.
What are your favourite teams from different leagues/countries than the one you support? Mine would be my local club Wisla Krakow, Dortmund, Atletico and Roma
I always had a soft spot for Borussia Mönchengladbach. The first football match I attended in Germany was in Borussia Park and I loved it ! Great fans and atmosphere... very family friendly but also passionate. I liked them even more after they sold us ter Stegen as well hahah.
I wouldn't say I support any of them but I have a lot of respect and admiration for Ajax, Celtic, Boca Juniors, and Cape Coast Mysterious Ebusua Dwarfs
I also think Partizan Belgrade is a super interesting club but like all Eastern European clubs they seem pretty racist so I won't go further than just being fascinated lmfao
Arsenal because my uncle is an Arsenal season ticket holder and so I've gone to quite a few games with him, AC Milan just because of their kit haha, Ajax because of their identity and youth development, Monchengladbach because I played as them on Football Manager once
I always have a soft spot for Milan, Athletic Bilbao and Dortmund. Currently also for Manchester United but that’s mostly because of Ten Hag, not because of the club necessarily.
I like Ajax, simply because they and United have a great relationship and i respect them alot for their academy and player development.
Other clubs i like from the other leagues are Napoli/AC Milan, Real Madrid and Dortmund. Don't support any of them ofc but theyre my favorite. No ideaa why.
Prefer Real to win La Liga because Barca are wankers and atletico are scummy. But I don't really like Real, I just like it when those two clubs don't do well.
Aside from that, all clubs are my enemies.
Bartomeu really ruined Barcelona's legacy, haha. Before Rosell and Bartomeu they were the club that refused sponsors/only had charities like UNICEF, and developed most of their own players whilst Madrid were the Galacticos. Now, whenever I see Premier League flairs talk about their Real Madrid/Barcelona views they always say what you say about Barcelona. Maybe the misinformation about the palancas (levers) in the English media hasn't helped
I mean we all know about Barca, they're just not really honest about what they are. At least Real don't make any illusions about themselves, they're up their own arses, but they know it. Barca are up their own arses and sincerely believe they're now
Bartomeu started ruining it, but Laporta doesn’t help at all with all his shenanigans. It’s fascinating how Barca’s reputation has gone down the shitter in the Netherlands, people here used to worship Barcelona for obvious reasons and older people still do but it’s gone downhill very fast.
Because of the palancas and everything? That's something I really don't understand why everyone is so mad at Barcelona for. They're selling their own assets in-order to remain competitive following Covid basically obliterating their finances, whilst also trying to grapple with FFP regulations that are so strict that the only club in Spain seemingly not negatively impacted by it is Real Madrid, yet everyone is talking about them like they've made a pact with the devil. I don't understand, haha, do people really care that much about Barcelona selling off media companies they own to raise cash to register their own players?
Not just that, but it’s a part of it. It’s not about selling their own assets to fix finances necessarily, it’s more that they did that while also spending more than anyone else last summer which comes across really counterintuitive if you want to fix finances. Especially for a club like Barca that used to build their teams around youth instead of expensive signings, a philosophy that’s appreciated very much in the Netherlands.
The more important reason why people here hate on Laporta is the way he plays ridiculous political games through the media, attacking his own players. The Frenkie de Jong story has soured a lot of Dutch people on Barcelona and Laporta. It’s just disgusting to treat your own players like that, very classless.
I thought the Frenkie De Jong story was proven to be fake when he and his girlfriend both came out and said as such? English media story at the same time as he was linked to an English club
No it was real. He and his girlfriend came out and said that it was not true that he was interested in moving to Manchester and that he was staying, not that the negotiations between the clubs were fake.
After the window ended he also gave an interview in Dutch media where he said that he was very disappointed with the board, and that he knew they had leaked stuff to put pressure on him. Things were leaked that only him and the board could’ve known.
I meant the story about him and Laporta, where the English media claimed Laporta was trying to force him out by refusing to pay him (which he and his girlfriend came out and said was untrue and he was being paid)
I think that was just him saying that it wasn’t true that he wanted to move to Manchester but the only reason he didn’t was because Barca wanted him to give up his deferred salary, that was what English media were reporting at the time. He never wanted the move in the first place regardless of the finances.
I don’t remember exactly how that all went. But regardless of that specific story it was for sure true that he was pressured by the board to move, and that the board wanted him to take a wage cut later when he decided to stay. You’re right that they didn’t stop paying him or anything like that though.
honestly, for me it usually depends on the emerging narratives of any given campaign. For example, rooting for Leicester in 15/16, rooting for Argentina against France, rooting for Monaco in 16/17 and so on
we're in weird times when Real almost seems like the underdog compared to teams like City or PSG who can spend like crazy. Possibly Chelsea and Newcastle as well in the near future
any clubs you have a soft spot for based on a team they had in the past? I like Dortmund ever since the days of Klopp and the Polish trio, Lewandowski putting four past Diego Lopez was one of my earliest clear football memories
yeah, I get that this is probably an unpopular opinion but not really. For example, in the PL I enjoyed watching arsenal back when they had Özil, Podolski and Mertesacker. But that doesn't really translate to how I feel about them now. Too much changes for me to have consistent favorites outside of the club that I support.
Likewise, much of the Leicester and Monaco teams got bought. Which means that I lose interest both in the clubs and in the players that now play for clubs like PSG or Chelsea. Same with the Ajax squad that made the CL semi-final a couple years ago and sadly enough same with our squad back when we win the league twice and made it to the CL final.
It's just the nature of the sport. With the club I root for I don't mind because I know all the *other* players that stay (even if they too get replaced at one point in some kind of never ending ship of theseus). But with other clubs I just don't pay enough attention to keep being engaged to the point where I'd root for them as opposed to any other club that might have a great story in their league in any given season.
I mean, if you have enough time and motivation to also watch most games of a club other than the one you're already rooting for then I can definitely see how you'd grow attached to that club as a whole as well.
But that's just not the position I've ever personally found myself in
City winning in court is better for the premier league. Seri A reputation got tarnished and is on the deathbed since 2006. Swift action a decade ago would have been better, now it’s too late. There is too much at stake.
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RIP Donny memes
It was my understanding that they had the right to buy back their shirt sponsor from Teamviewer; is that what happened? I assume they think the club being in a better position than when they signed on with Teamviewer will bring in more money with a new sponsor than whatever it cost to buy back the rights.
Basically I think TeamViewer have realised that they've massively fucked up by signing a £50m sponsorship deal with us (and another huge one with Mercedes F1) so we've come to an agreement to end it early. Think a lot of people were confused by them signing on in the first place, myself included.
I'm so happy Ancelotti is facing a lot of pressure. His tactics have been dogshit. I agree that the club needs new players but Carlo's tactics aren't getting the best out of our current players. We move the ball slowly, barely make runs apart from Vini. The Beinsport commentator in the last 2 games kept complaining that the players are waiting to receive the ball at feet instead of making runs to disrupt the opposing team's defense. His laid back approach doesn't work with youngsters who are still learning. They need proper structure to get the best out of them. At the moment they're being fed to the wolves in our current setup. Midfield is the most worrying.
Ancelotti is a "win more" coach, he's probably one of the best coaches ever when things goes right for him but I have never really seen him salvage a bad season
I believe he won't last after this season. Which is a good thing. He is a club legend for us but we won last year ucl with individual performances. Thanks to his late subs for sure but still. We need a structure with all of these new players. I would love to have tuchel but I'm worried they will go for Raul instead
We were extremely lucky last season. We could have conceded 6 goals at the Etihad. I really hope we get Tuchel. I've always been impressed by his teams' whenever they face Madrid. But with some of the odd decisions Perez makes I wouldn't be surprised if it's Raul. I'm still traumatized from Solari's time with the first team.
Mate at least Solari played attacking football. He just got completely fucked having ucl and copa del Rey in the same 2 weeks with a dead squad. It's lope that I'm traumatized with
What's the consensus on whether Manchester City (IF) found guilty to be stripped of their titles?
I think that would probably heavily depend on the severity of the crimes committed and their truth
If everything is serious and true I think they should be stripped of those said titles
the only argument I have seen against seems to be down to nostalgia
It all comes from him being an irish man that refuses to wear the poppy. He's from Derry, but more importantly grew up 5 minutes away from where Bloody Sunday happened, where British soldiers gunned down innocent Irish citizens.
There's nothing the gammons hate more than a foreigner not bending over for them, especially an Irish man.
He's made jokes in poor taste, which has riled them up even more. But what else can a man who's recieved no help from the FA or Kick it Out supposed to do but laugh at the whole situation.
In England there's an annual campaign to wear the poppy in remembrance of British soldiers. McClean, having grown up a stone's throw away from where British soldiers shot 26 unarmed protestors in 1972, refuses to participate in that campaign. This combined with the fact that he's proud of being Irish and expresses that has led him to experience a lot of anti-Irish bigotry.
periods of national mourning are, of course, respectful to those who lost their lives in this great tragedy, but it does suck a bit that football, the one thing that could take one’s mind off this endless stream of news of death and destruction, is now no longer here to do that.
I really need to know if Serie A matches are somewhat "muted" in terms of crowd noise. On BeIN Sports, particularly. Is it because of the "average" production value? Take the recent Milan derby for example. I know the fans are loud, but it just sounds like low end rumbles.
Any insight on this?
They do that for nearly every league and also the UCL and it really, really sucks. One of my least favourite thing about TV broadcasts. It's so that you can hear the commentators without them having to shout, I believe.
Depends, if it was deemed that they shouldnt have been able to register players because of their finances, then games in which those players played should be changed to a 3-0 loss for Man City.
Which would be funny.
But some teams wont like that if it results in their rivals getting a free 3 pts vs city if their results were positive against city already (Spurs)
If they were kicked out midseason, then you'd imagine they would be. (as I believe happened with clubs in lower leagues who ceased to exist midseason)
However outside that, assuming they have to finish their matches, probably not.
Outside that, clubs who have
Depends. Will Will Still need the Will of Still to make sure Reims don't stay Still due to a lack of Will. Still, Will remaining Still at Reims could also keep them Still, whether Will likes it or not.
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Mate, if my team was assigned with a title years later for some reason, i would be ecstatic. Idc if it happened 10 years ago, it's +1 on our trophy cabinet and i will take it.
That would depend on the severity of crimes committed and their truthful nature if everything is serious. A case could be made to be stripped of titles
We don't know anything as of now
Man U even more so cringe. Liverpool only lost by a point both times and had 90+ points. Man U wants the titles with a 74 point season and a 19 points behind season. Lol.
Ngl makes me laugh people hoping the ‘government forming a football regulator’
I literally can’t think of a worse thing to happen. Imagine actually thinking the UK government regulating anything we enjoy is good. Literally half the country is on strike right now ffs
I don’t know, an independent agency handling a case like the City case seems good to me despite governments having major flaws. You could argue that the Premier League has an interest in not damaging their brand too much by exposing what City did and coming down hard on it. Vacated titles and corrupted seasons is not good for the brand.
what kinda libertarian take is that? would you rather enjoy your fish and ships without food regulations? Or your necessities without price fixing and cartel regulations?
Also the ability to go on strike is important and does a lot of good to the affected workers and the economy as a whole. There's a reason why even in this neo-liberal bubble that the west is in they still know how important it is to have at least some worker's rights protection.
I'm not even saying that the government would do a great job of regulating football but your comment is so black and white that it becomes irrelevant by default.
But that isn't how regulators work. They're institutions of the State, yeah, but the government influence over them is pretty limited. At the end of the day they're closer to a court than a government agency.
Is a world class footballer allowed to drive a shitbox? Ie say they always dreamed of owning a standard Peugeot 205, but it lacks modern safety features. Would the club insist on something safer?
I don't know if club contracts/requirements would go that specific, but I have never seen a footballer ride a motorbike and have always wondered if that was something 'prohibited' by most clubs, at least during playing careers.
Just seems no footballers are into classic cars at all, which seems surprising seeing its so often a wealthy man's hobby. Only one I remember close to that was Kemar Roofe had an old BMW E30 a few years back.
I don't think shitbox cars are so rampantly unsafe that there is a genuine risk to life and limb if you try to drive one
If they're roadworthy, i.e. passing its MOT, then they're safe
Could argue a 205 is safer, as they won't be able to get up to 120mph on an A road, which you'd speculate is the most likely driving-related risky situation a footballer puts themselves in
Not a shitbox, but Kante drives a Mini
You definitely can't argue that a 205 is safer. If a modern SUV hits an older car like that then you're getting annihilated. It's not a material enough risk but if a footballer was regularly driving around in an older car then I would imagine a conversation would be had.
That would be my concern if I was the club, less so the driving ability of the player and more so the lack of the ability for it to protect the driver and passengers in the event of a collision with a modern vehicle
I didn't really like using the term shitbox, more so something that's potentially dangerous and outdated to the person driving in the event of a crash. If they are worth millions to the club I just wondered if they protect their assets so to speak.
I'm not sure it's a material enough risk to be considered
I genuinely think the risk of a footballer coming to harm from speeding or drink-driving is higher than the risk of them coming to harm due to crashing a car without modern safety mechanisms... and clubs appear to be unmoved by that
What happens to a club if they are slapped with a transfer ban and relegation, and all their senior players decide to leave? Would they be allowed to play all of their junior players in the senior squad?
A fairly recent rule got brought into the Premier League that all new sponsorships need to be approved by an independent authority to ensure that it represents "fair value". That's one way I suppose.
Yeah, fair point. The rule is specifically about new sponsorships. I wonder what it'll do in cases of Man U's Chevrolet sponsorship where the Chevy marketing exec got fired days after it agreed because his bosses felt the deal didn't represent fair value.
I’ve tried doing that before, get told I’m being arrogant and get downvoted even when atleast I thought it was fairly obviously a joke\
Works sometimes though yeah, and I try to embrace it when I don’t get triggered
Financial fraud means they lied about the source of their money, which means it could be money laundered which was gained from illegal activities, it hardly gets any worse than that...
And if they're lying about that, you just know they're bound to have been lying about other stuff.
Liverpool and Spurs wanting to furlough staff was silly and tone-deaf but they were entitled to that and it wasn't breaking any rules or laws. You can't compare that to financial fraud.
Furloughed employees in the uk were still paid, just not by their employer. I never lost a penny when I was furloughed although I wasn't working for a football team
Football's not been this good since the seconds between Rashford starting his run up and knocking out PSG.
Good morning to all fans of clubs that don't have legal trouble
Having to experience Marsch for the better part of a year has me wondering, is there actually any good American managers/coaches working today?
If this guy was the pick of the bunch then I can’t say I have much hope for them.
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In 2019 we could fight for UCL places in the top leagues. Current team is not that good. I guess we would finish mid table.
Since we got 5th place in the last Brasileirão I believe that translates to 1st in all of the European top4 leagues
Why is there so much hate for city and less for PSG(I assume cause not English) but even much less for New Castle? Is it because they didn't spend much / were just recently bought?
Almost nobody watches French League. And Newcastle don't even qualified to UCL in this new stage.
If you were following football in 2008, the feelings toward Man City were not much different than the feelings toward Newcastle right now.
Yeah, it was a general "Fuck em" but at the time it was funny because they were buying a Robinho who thought he was going to the other Manchester and still had Mark Hughes in.
Personally, it's because hating a team just because of who owns them is tinpot. It just happens that Chelsea and City are both teams I'd hate anyway
Chelsea I understand but city? Also Spurs owner is an asshole as well
I hold grudges, and the 3-2 loss in January 2012 that should have been a draw at a minimum was a Sliding Doors moment for both clubs. If Balotelli gets sent off for stamping on Scott Parker, he's not on the pitch to win a late penalty, or to score said penalty. Even if that was the only thing that changed, we finish third, ahead of Arsenal, get CL football for a second time in three seasons, and they don't get their Aguero moment. And that's before getting into the ramifications that at that point in time it was a 3 horse title race, and falling out of contention over the next couple of weeks is what allowed Redknapp's head to be turned by the England job
If City didn't have their current owners, why would you hate them as a Spurs fan ? They were a nothing club before
Newcastle will be hated once they win trophies/consistently go to Europe
We haven’t done anything yet
People dislike clubs that spend a lot of money. People dislike clubs that are state owned. When you combine those and the club is also winning then the hate is even more. The hate for Newcastle will grow as they spend more and more money and start having serious conversations about winning trophies.
PSG everyone hates, but they're not in the news right now like City are so people aren't talking about them as much. Also, they're in the French league which, whilst I'm sure a thrilling league for the other 19 teams, isn't as popular as the other 4 big leagues. Still, PSG *are* absolutely hated. Especially in Spain, because they've f\*cked over the big 2 clubs a fair bit - Barcelona by taking their star players, and Real Madrid by not selling them Mbappe. Newcastle as you say because they're very recent and haven't yet begun spending as much. I think people are so sick of the 'big 6' teams in England that they're happy for an outside team like Newcastle to compete. In a few years, when Newcastle are the new Man City, people will soon turn on them.
I don't think people think PSG is the lesser of the two evils, just City directly affects the team my league plays in, and thus is the more pressing matter to me personally. Obviously sports washing owners are bad for the sport, but sports washing owners who actively cheat is slightly worse than Newcastle's owners.
Newcastle is because it’s too recent, they’ll get their fair share of hate if they actually start competing for titles and spending more. PSG is absolutely despised but no one cares about Ligue 1 so they aren’t talked about as much. 90% of discussions on this sub are about the Premier League.
Does anyone know how long it will take for City's punishment to be announced?
stefan(former financial advisor for city and he's a lawyer) reckons it can take up to 22months
but then isnt it pointless for this season?
Wym, it's never been for this season
it's difficult to say what should be done with city's past titles but potentially letting them win it this year knowing the charges is bad no?
They'll probably decide that when they get to it They have to prove 9 years worth of allegations, they're going worry about that before this season
Probably not until after the season has ended at minimum
No one on the planet knows
Thanks! Hope it's soon I'm loving this drama
Very unlikely anything gets resolved this season i think.
What are your favourite teams from different leagues/countries than the one you support? Mine would be my local club Wisla Krakow, Dortmund, Atletico and Roma
Austin FC, Lyon, Napoli
Boca Juniors, Tottenham and Fenerbahce
I always had a soft spot for Borussia Mönchengladbach. The first football match I attended in Germany was in Borussia Park and I loved it ! Great fans and atmosphere... very family friendly but also passionate. I liked them even more after they sold us ter Stegen as well hahah.
I've liked celtic since I was a kid. More recently Union Berlin and Roma, but that's just because of Mourinho
I wouldn't say I support any of them but I have a lot of respect and admiration for Ajax, Celtic, Boca Juniors, and Cape Coast Mysterious Ebusua Dwarfs I also think Partizan Belgrade is a super interesting club but like all Eastern European clubs they seem pretty racist so I won't go further than just being fascinated lmfao
Roma, Porto
Arsenal because my uncle is an Arsenal season ticket holder and so I've gone to quite a few games with him, AC Milan just because of their kit haha, Ajax because of their identity and youth development, Monchengladbach because I played as them on Football Manager once
I always have a soft spot for Milan, Athletic Bilbao and Dortmund. Currently also for Manchester United but that’s mostly because of Ten Hag, not because of the club necessarily.
St. Pauli
Napoli, rayo vallecano, colo-colo, celtic
Let me guess, your favourite player is Marx Lenin hahaha
I like Ajax, simply because they and United have a great relationship and i respect them alot for their academy and player development. Other clubs i like from the other leagues are Napoli/AC Milan, Real Madrid and Dortmund. Don't support any of them ofc but theyre my favorite. No ideaa why.
I like Leeds and Barça
Prefer Real to win La Liga because Barca are wankers and atletico are scummy. But I don't really like Real, I just like it when those two clubs don't do well. Aside from that, all clubs are my enemies.
Bartomeu really ruined Barcelona's legacy, haha. Before Rosell and Bartomeu they were the club that refused sponsors/only had charities like UNICEF, and developed most of their own players whilst Madrid were the Galacticos. Now, whenever I see Premier League flairs talk about their Real Madrid/Barcelona views they always say what you say about Barcelona. Maybe the misinformation about the palancas (levers) in the English media hasn't helped
I mean we all know about Barca, they're just not really honest about what they are. At least Real don't make any illusions about themselves, they're up their own arses, but they know it. Barca are up their own arses and sincerely believe they're now
Bartomeu started ruining it, but Laporta doesn’t help at all with all his shenanigans. It’s fascinating how Barca’s reputation has gone down the shitter in the Netherlands, people here used to worship Barcelona for obvious reasons and older people still do but it’s gone downhill very fast.
Because of the palancas and everything? That's something I really don't understand why everyone is so mad at Barcelona for. They're selling their own assets in-order to remain competitive following Covid basically obliterating their finances, whilst also trying to grapple with FFP regulations that are so strict that the only club in Spain seemingly not negatively impacted by it is Real Madrid, yet everyone is talking about them like they've made a pact with the devil. I don't understand, haha, do people really care that much about Barcelona selling off media companies they own to raise cash to register their own players?
I don't think it's because of that
What else would it be?
Not just that, but it’s a part of it. It’s not about selling their own assets to fix finances necessarily, it’s more that they did that while also spending more than anyone else last summer which comes across really counterintuitive if you want to fix finances. Especially for a club like Barca that used to build their teams around youth instead of expensive signings, a philosophy that’s appreciated very much in the Netherlands. The more important reason why people here hate on Laporta is the way he plays ridiculous political games through the media, attacking his own players. The Frenkie de Jong story has soured a lot of Dutch people on Barcelona and Laporta. It’s just disgusting to treat your own players like that, very classless.
I thought the Frenkie De Jong story was proven to be fake when he and his girlfriend both came out and said as such? English media story at the same time as he was linked to an English club
No it was real. He and his girlfriend came out and said that it was not true that he was interested in moving to Manchester and that he was staying, not that the negotiations between the clubs were fake. After the window ended he also gave an interview in Dutch media where he said that he was very disappointed with the board, and that he knew they had leaked stuff to put pressure on him. Things were leaked that only him and the board could’ve known.
I meant the story about him and Laporta, where the English media claimed Laporta was trying to force him out by refusing to pay him (which he and his girlfriend came out and said was untrue and he was being paid)
I think that was just him saying that it wasn’t true that he wanted to move to Manchester but the only reason he didn’t was because Barca wanted him to give up his deferred salary, that was what English media were reporting at the time. He never wanted the move in the first place regardless of the finances. I don’t remember exactly how that all went. But regardless of that specific story it was for sure true that he was pressured by the board to move, and that the board wanted him to take a wage cut later when he decided to stay. You’re right that they didn’t stop paying him or anything like that though.
just teams i managed on FM, like Lyon and Stuttgart
I like Liverpool in England, Bayern in Germany, and Madrid in Spain. Basically the more CL success you have the more respect I have for you as a club
>Madrid in Spain. Always rated Milan as the biggest in Italy tbf
honestly, for me it usually depends on the emerging narratives of any given campaign. For example, rooting for Leicester in 15/16, rooting for Argentina against France, rooting for Monaco in 16/17 and so on
I don't use to like Real Madrid but in the end I loved their last UCL run. Was enjoyable to watch, I have a big feeling for that team.
we're in weird times when Real almost seems like the underdog compared to teams like City or PSG who can spend like crazy. Possibly Chelsea and Newcastle as well in the near future
any clubs you have a soft spot for based on a team they had in the past? I like Dortmund ever since the days of Klopp and the Polish trio, Lewandowski putting four past Diego Lopez was one of my earliest clear football memories
yeah, I get that this is probably an unpopular opinion but not really. For example, in the PL I enjoyed watching arsenal back when they had Özil, Podolski and Mertesacker. But that doesn't really translate to how I feel about them now. Too much changes for me to have consistent favorites outside of the club that I support. Likewise, much of the Leicester and Monaco teams got bought. Which means that I lose interest both in the clubs and in the players that now play for clubs like PSG or Chelsea. Same with the Ajax squad that made the CL semi-final a couple years ago and sadly enough same with our squad back when we win the league twice and made it to the CL final. It's just the nature of the sport. With the club I root for I don't mind because I know all the *other* players that stay (even if they too get replaced at one point in some kind of never ending ship of theseus). But with other clubs I just don't pay enough attention to keep being engaged to the point where I'd root for them as opposed to any other club that might have a great story in their league in any given season.
This is probably the best way to approach it
I mean, if you have enough time and motivation to also watch most games of a club other than the one you're already rooting for then I can definitely see how you'd grow attached to that club as a whole as well. But that's just not the position I've ever personally found myself in
City winning in court is better for the premier league. Seri A reputation got tarnished and is on the deathbed since 2006. Swift action a decade ago would have been better, now it’s too late. There is too much at stake.
> There is too much at stake. Like what?
Nah burn them to the ground (legally speaking ofc)
It does mean that every other club knows they can just ignore the rules and it'll be fine
Subjective what the best for the premier league entails. League ranking and player quality for sure, everything else? very debateable.
And don’t forget about the money.
>Manchester United to end shirt sponsorship deal with TeamViewer [[@Independent_ie](https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1622909284106354692)] RIP Donny memes
It was my understanding that they had the right to buy back their shirt sponsor from Teamviewer; is that what happened? I assume they think the club being in a better position than when they signed on with Teamviewer will bring in more money with a new sponsor than whatever it cost to buy back the rights.
Basically I think TeamViewer have realised that they've massively fucked up by signing a £50m sponsorship deal with us (and another huge one with Mercedes F1) so we've come to an agreement to end it early. Think a lot of people were confused by them signing on in the first place, myself included.
Let's hope the next sponsor it's not that "Visit South Africa" because it looks mad ugly
I'm so happy Ancelotti is facing a lot of pressure. His tactics have been dogshit. I agree that the club needs new players but Carlo's tactics aren't getting the best out of our current players. We move the ball slowly, barely make runs apart from Vini. The Beinsport commentator in the last 2 games kept complaining that the players are waiting to receive the ball at feet instead of making runs to disrupt the opposing team's defense. His laid back approach doesn't work with youngsters who are still learning. They need proper structure to get the best out of them. At the moment they're being fed to the wolves in our current setup. Midfield is the most worrying.
Perez is just waiting for Zidane to come back for a third campaign. I can already see it happening.
Ancelotti is a "win more" coach, he's probably one of the best coaches ever when things goes right for him but I have never really seen him salvage a bad season
I believe he won't last after this season. Which is a good thing. He is a club legend for us but we won last year ucl with individual performances. Thanks to his late subs for sure but still. We need a structure with all of these new players. I would love to have tuchel but I'm worried they will go for Raul instead
What about Klopp?
He doesn't want to come to clubs without giving him the freedom for a project. That's what he said
We were extremely lucky last season. We could have conceded 6 goals at the Etihad. I really hope we get Tuchel. I've always been impressed by his teams' whenever they face Madrid. But with some of the odd decisions Perez makes I wouldn't be surprised if it's Raul. I'm still traumatized from Solari's time with the first team.
Mate at least Solari played attacking football. He just got completely fucked having ucl and copa del Rey in the same 2 weeks with a dead squad. It's lope that I'm traumatized with
The 2018/19 season was so bad. I used to force myself to watch the games.
I think you mean 19/20. Bc 18/19 was Zidane last season
We won our 3rd consecutive UCL in 2018 in Kyiv. And Zidane left afterwards.
What's the consensus on whether Manchester City (IF) found guilty to be stripped of their titles? I think that would probably heavily depend on the severity of the crimes committed and their truth If everything is serious and true I think they should be stripped of those said titles the only argument I have seen against seems to be down to nostalgia
And if they loose the title what about the cash given to them according to their position in the league?
If they actively broke rules which subsequently won titles, they should have their titles stripped and should be relegated.
I really dont expect this to happen. The Premier Leagye really doesnt want to have so many titles be vacant or have an asterisk against them.
They should burn it with fire
[Replies under this are legit disgusting](https://twitter.com/SkyFootball/status/1622724242419638272?s=20)
Clicks link Sees James McClean Closes link as I already know what a shit show it’s going to be.
I don't understand the hate and everything that has happened with him. Can someone explain?
It all comes from him being an irish man that refuses to wear the poppy. He's from Derry, but more importantly grew up 5 minutes away from where Bloody Sunday happened, where British soldiers gunned down innocent Irish citizens. There's nothing the gammons hate more than a foreigner not bending over for them, especially an Irish man. He's made jokes in poor taste, which has riled them up even more. But what else can a man who's recieved no help from the FA or Kick it Out supposed to do but laugh at the whole situation.
In England there's an annual campaign to wear the poppy in remembrance of British soldiers. McClean, having grown up a stone's throw away from where British soldiers shot 26 unarmed protestors in 1972, refuses to participate in that campaign. This combined with the fact that he's proud of being Irish and expresses that has led him to experience a lot of anti-Irish bigotry.
Absolutely love McClean and how he gets them cunts boiling
periods of national mourning are, of course, respectful to those who lost their lives in this great tragedy, but it does suck a bit that football, the one thing that could take one’s mind off this endless stream of news of death and destruction, is now no longer here to do that.
Same thing when they paused the Premier League when the Queen died in the UK
I really need to know if Serie A matches are somewhat "muted" in terms of crowd noise. On BeIN Sports, particularly. Is it because of the "average" production value? Take the recent Milan derby for example. I know the fans are loud, but it just sounds like low end rumbles. Any insight on this?
They do that for nearly every league and also the UCL and it really, really sucks. One of my least favourite thing about TV broadcasts. It's so that you can hear the commentators without them having to shout, I believe.
They are, during Napoli - Juve the commentators said “It’s so loud here I can barely hear myself think”. I couldn’t hear a thing.
If City were miraculously kicked out of the league, would their matches (and results) just be scrubbed?
Depends, if it was deemed that they shouldnt have been able to register players because of their finances, then games in which those players played should be changed to a 3-0 loss for Man City. Which would be funny. But some teams wont like that if it results in their rivals getting a free 3 pts vs city if their results were positive against city already (Spurs)
would be very everton to scrape survival and then be retrospectively relegated because they got a point at the etihad
If they were kicked out midseason, then you'd imagine they would be. (as I believe happened with clubs in lower leagues who ceased to exist midseason) However outside that, assuming they have to finish their matches, probably not. Outside that, clubs who have
I feel like people rate Gvardiol too much based on just seeing the world cup and a few twitter comps of him. not that he’s bad ofc
I agree, I don't think he's that good.
No he is good, he’s just not as good as people on here who haven’t seen him play club football think
He's just the biggest young defensive talent since De Ligt and he was valued as much prior to the world cup to anyone that has watched him
People routinely forget that international football is slower and more defensively set up than club football, decent bit lower standard as well.
He's been touted as one of the the next great defenders for quite a bit before the World Cup too.
Will Will Still still be willing to instil his play style at Reims next season? Or will Will Still will to leave for a bigger club?
If his career in football ever goes away he can get into the distillery business and sell Will Still's Steel Stills.
Depends. Will Will Still need the Will of Still to make sure Reims don't stay Still due to a lack of Will. Still, Will remaining Still at Reims could also keep them Still, whether Will likes it or not.
Portuguese sports newspapers covers 7th of February: [A Bola](https://twitter.com/PsoccerCOM/status/1622806980610883585?cxt=HHwWgoCwpbqWr4UtAAAA) [Record](https://twitter.com/PsoccerCOM/status/1622800237986185218?cxt=HHwWhICw6f2NrIUtAAAA) [O Jogo](https://twitter.com/PsoccerCOM/status/1622797380373344258?cxt=HHwWhMCz-dLnqoUtAAAA) If you need anything translated let me know.
What does Chermistica mean (record)
It means nothing, they mixed the kids name (Chermiti) with mystic (mística) to create the headline.
Nice
What does the headline of the first one mean? The “Este Miúdo Tem Garras”?
"This kid has claws".
Thanks.
No problem!
Debating with my friend, who’s better: Fred or Tyler Adams?
Fred is miles clear ffs
Liverpool & Man U fans already saying they should get back their ‘rightful titles’, so cringe. They really want some cartoon Premier League
Mate, if my team was assigned with a title years later for some reason, i would be ecstatic. Idc if it happened 10 years ago, it's +1 on our trophy cabinet and i will take it.
Couldn't be us
That would depend on the severity of crimes committed and their truthful nature if everything is serious. A case could be made to be stripped of titles We don't know anything as of now
Man U even more so cringe. Liverpool only lost by a point both times and had 90+ points. Man U wants the titles with a 74 point season and a 19 points behind season. Lol.
O dear, you really are showing your age lol.
Get your history right. United have also lost on goal difference.
agree but they also have the AGUEROOOOOOO season
No one's serious about that, that's just fun at the expense of MCFC. But I do think that all those titles should be vacated.
i'd be surprised honestly if nobody was serious.
There's always a few bad apples!
it's mostly ppl joking
Ngl makes me laugh people hoping the ‘government forming a football regulator’ I literally can’t think of a worse thing to happen. Imagine actually thinking the UK government regulating anything we enjoy is good. Literally half the country is on strike right now ffs
I don’t know, an independent agency handling a case like the City case seems good to me despite governments having major flaws. You could argue that the Premier League has an interest in not damaging their brand too much by exposing what City did and coming down hard on it. Vacated titles and corrupted seasons is not good for the brand.
what kinda libertarian take is that? would you rather enjoy your fish and ships without food regulations? Or your necessities without price fixing and cartel regulations? Also the ability to go on strike is important and does a lot of good to the affected workers and the economy as a whole. There's a reason why even in this neo-liberal bubble that the west is in they still know how important it is to have at least some worker's rights protection. I'm not even saying that the government would do a great job of regulating football but your comment is so black and white that it becomes irrelevant by default.
They literally just stuck the boot into chelsea and forced roman to sell, they’ll do anything if it’s good for the polls
But that isn't how regulators work. They're institutions of the State, yeah, but the government influence over them is pretty limited. At the end of the day they're closer to a court than a government agency.
Bielsa back to Leeds. Imagine. It would certainly galvanise the fans...
Would be piss to see them sack their only good manager of the last twenty years for a second time.
Anything less than 6 points and +10 GD this week should be a sackable offence for Ten Hag.
Is a world class footballer allowed to drive a shitbox? Ie say they always dreamed of owning a standard Peugeot 205, but it lacks modern safety features. Would the club insist on something safer?
I don't know if club contracts/requirements would go that specific, but I have never seen a footballer ride a motorbike and have always wondered if that was something 'prohibited' by most clubs, at least during playing careers. Just seems no footballers are into classic cars at all, which seems surprising seeing its so often a wealthy man's hobby. Only one I remember close to that was Kemar Roofe had an old BMW E30 a few years back.
He's only world class at shit-housing but Ashley Barnes was driving a smart car for quite some time.
Dan Burn turned up to our training in one the other week which was kinda hilarious
I don't think shitbox cars are so rampantly unsafe that there is a genuine risk to life and limb if you try to drive one If they're roadworthy, i.e. passing its MOT, then they're safe Could argue a 205 is safer, as they won't be able to get up to 120mph on an A road, which you'd speculate is the most likely driving-related risky situation a footballer puts themselves in Not a shitbox, but Kante drives a Mini
You definitely can't argue that a 205 is safer. If a modern SUV hits an older car like that then you're getting annihilated. It's not a material enough risk but if a footballer was regularly driving around in an older car then I would imagine a conversation would be had.
That would be my concern if I was the club, less so the driving ability of the player and more so the lack of the ability for it to protect the driver and passengers in the event of a collision with a modern vehicle
That was more my point... like yeah it'd be more unsafe if you crash, but the material risk is low enough that I doubt they consider it
Makes complete sense. We have Ford as a sponsor therefore many players pick a Mustang and you guessed it also crash it.
I didn't really like using the term shitbox, more so something that's potentially dangerous and outdated to the person driving in the event of a crash. If they are worth millions to the club I just wondered if they protect their assets so to speak.
I'm not sure it's a material enough risk to be considered I genuinely think the risk of a footballer coming to harm from speeding or drink-driving is higher than the risk of them coming to harm due to crashing a car without modern safety mechanisms... and clubs appear to be unmoved by that
Nothing bad will ever happen to the rich.
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Paul McCartney had to watch this Everton team
French nobilty got guillotined.
Some the rest just became the first generation of big investors
That's because there weren't enough guillotines to go around. They didn't have industry back then!
Steve Jobs died of cancer
What happens to a club if they are slapped with a transfer ban and relegation, and all their senior players decide to leave? Would they be allowed to play all of their junior players in the senior squad?
Yes, why wouldn't they? You see it with crisis clubs like Derby a couple of years ago, who had to play loads of their academy players
Legally how do u prove that a sponsorship is inflated for an institution as big as Man City
But they aren't that big? And there will be pretty simple data around the market value of sponsorships at other clubs
I'm sure there's a way to do it with comperative analysis.
A fairly recent rule got brought into the Premier League that all new sponsorships need to be approved by an independent authority to ensure that it represents "fair value". That's one way I suppose.
Don't know how they can retroactively go about policing that though and I'm sure it wouldn't just be City if so
Yeah, fair point. The rule is specifically about new sponsorships. I wonder what it'll do in cases of Man U's Chevrolet sponsorship where the Chevy marketing exec got fired days after it agreed because his bosses felt the deal didn't represent fair value.
Proving that the companies actually exists is a good start
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City owners are notoriously progressive in social matters, on the other hand
I’ve tried doing that before, get told I’m being arrogant and get downvoted even when atleast I thought it was fairly obviously a joke\ Works sometimes though yeah, and I try to embrace it when I don’t get triggered
Financial fraud means they lied about the source of their money, which means it could be money laundered which was gained from illegal activities, it hardly gets any worse than that... And if they're lying about that, you just know they're bound to have been lying about other stuff.
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Liverpool and Spurs wanting to furlough staff was silly and tone-deaf but they were entitled to that and it wasn't breaking any rules or laws. You can't compare that to financial fraud.
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It would be helpful if you knew what furloughing your staff means in this context, as it seems like you don’t.
Furloughed employees in the uk were still paid, just not by their employer. I never lost a penny when I was furloughed although I wasn't working for a football team
Football's not been this good since the seconds between Rashford starting his run up and knocking out PSG. Good morning to all fans of clubs that don't have legal trouble
With the Greenwood situation, there could be legal trouble on the horizon for you. Might be a bit of a mess to untangle.
Legal trouble or PR trouble, ultimate decision
As we say back at home, "solala sidle iCity".
Having to experience Marsch for the better part of a year has me wondering, is there actually any good American managers/coaches working today? If this guy was the pick of the bunch then I can’t say I have much hope for them.
Coach Beard. That's it.