Its exactly like old Jedi stuff though. Luke refusing to fight, bringing his loved ones to safety and letting the sniveling hateful bad guys collapse into themselves was precisely how he defeated Palpatine in Ep VI.
It's not like the manchild fanfiction they feel entitled too from reading all those comics and playing all those video games, though.
Between *RoTJ*, *TLJ*, and *Everything Everywhere All At Once*, I get really hyped about climatic 'fight scenes' where the hero uses genuine love and empathy to beat the antagonist rather than directly fighting them.
Ofc, I did too. I think it's ridiculous hypocritical to say "Luke did no jedi stuff 😔 shit movie 😠" and "Luke did jedi stuff that hasn't been done before shit movie🤬🤬" like certain people do.
It’s weird when people say that Luke did Jedi stuff in last Jedi. I just don’t get that. He did Jedi stuff in that movie. Whether you like it or not, that’s a different matter
Jedi are NOT super heroes. Or a Dragonball character (HIS MIDI-COUNT IS OVER 9000!!!!)
His story was over, he became one with the Force. Like Obi Wan before him. It was not giving up, or getting killed because his powerlevel was too low...it was as the Force (aka Star Wars God, as Jedi are monks and holy knights, not Harry Potters...) saw Luke's role in the story as ended and done. With a bang. His sacrifice made sure Kylo got a lesson keeping him on the path of rdemption, and allowed the Resistance to continue...
I wish people would stop thinking of Jedi like videogame chars or superheroes etc...its the totally wrong approach.
Luke dying was sad. But the force projection of his was still really cool. I would compare it to Tony’s snap. Both Luke and Tony did a move that would kill themselves. But they did it anyway, to save their friends and family
Luke never used force projection on that type of level before. Because it would kill him and Luke knows it. But he did it to save his family and friends
Maybe the midichlorian count stuff was bullshit and was to show how far the Jedi order had drifted from its spiritual beginnings and commitment to balance in the Force
These folks grew up on too much prequels and TCW. Don’t get me wrong, I love that stuff, but Anakin showing off was not a representation of “awesome Jedi stuff.”
It didn’t have CGI robots or spinning lightsabers, so they must’ve missed the scene where it was all laid out plain: “adventure, excitement, a Jedi craves not these things.”
And the best part to top it all off is that in the end, we *did* get him doing just that, but in a way that made thematic/narrative sense and wasn't just pandering.
Yup, he kept with the Jedi ideal of using the Force for knowledge and defense AND echoed Empire Strikes Back beats of having a climatic twist and using the Force in a never before seen way to communicate over long distances. Wow. Just…wow.
>too much prequels and TCW
That, and comics, MCU, anime and video games. Have you even HEARD of the fact that Avatar: The Last Airbender is better than Hamlet and Lord of the Rings combined?
This. I can easily respect those in the later camp because that's how I am with the Transformers movies and a few others. Whenever I see a trailer for it (usually when at a theater seeing another movie) and think "wow. I still don't like the look of these" and then move on.
I in fact do not go on a 5+ year harassment campaign screaming at anyone who still watches/likes said movies.
I have A LOT more respect for people who can admit that they didn't like it because it's not what they wanted than I do for people who say "iT's ObJeCtIvElY bAd."
Guess I was right. They wanted Luke to be this OO Gary Stu Jedi doing amazing force powers and moves. They can never handle the thought that Luke is just human and is prone to mistakes himself.
Yes. If you notice he was more mature and did it when he was ready and that's the thing about TLJ too, he didn't rush there himself to be killed instantly with AT ATs he projected himself and that worked out pretty well.
You mean **when he sensed they were in danger he went to Bespin to rescue them??!!!!** and then when Han was put in Carbonite Luke went to rescue him then too.
6 years later after he caused Kylo Ren to flee and join Snoke and the First Order causes the death of the entire Hosnian Prime, Lor San Tekka, Han Solo, Resistance Fleet. Guess he gets a participation award? Though he hardly did anything but play a magic trick, say something snide shit to his nephew, and then just keel over and get a heart attack.
He didn't. Even if he didn't have done that to him he would have left anyway because if you know snoke was in his mind FOR A LONG TIME and that only made the inevitable sooner which isn't a problem at all. He eventually saved the entire resistance by holding the first order distracted and buying time for Rey to save them later in the movie. His didn't just have a heart attack he died because of the insane level of the force power he pulled off and literally no one else did it in the universe.
It's fair to want the Jedi Master Luke we grew up reading and seeing in video games. Before Last Jedi Luke could have gone into hiding for any reason and I'm sure we all wanted to see Luke in this big cathartic moment. He was the hero of our childhood.
But as Harrison Ford famously said to Mark Hamill, "It ain't that kind of movie, kid."
The goal with Luke in Last Jedi was to progress the character and deepen his story. Not only did Hamill specifically say he didn't just want to be a cameo (meaning he wanted the character to have agency over the plot to a degree) but Johnson wanted the character to be more than just an action figure. He wanted to tell a story with the character that would have deeper meaning than just "He take lightsaber and it go schoom".
This. Luke Skywalker is not a superhero. Many people expected him to be, and were disappointed when he wasn't.
This is one of the core themes of The Last Jedi.
Right. We already got Luke Skywalker, the Jedi Master who saved the galaxy every other month. It was time for a new generation of stories to take place that didn't revolve around this character. Him passing the torch was as necessary as Obi-Wan and Yoda stepping out of the way after Luke was trained.
>Luke Skywalker is not a superhero.
Exactly. And I'd argue the fact that he isn't one is what makes him such a great character. For all his accomplishments and great power, he's still just a *person*, with flaws and personal hang-ups just like anyone else. That's part of the reason why I think that canon Luke Skywalker is one of if not the best Jedi Master, because in the end he acknowledged his own flaws and improves from them in a way that many Jedi in the past weren't able to due to their hubris. And if Luke can ultimately learn to pick himself back up after making a mistake/failing and emerge stronger for it, then so can we.
Yep, hated it when Luke, instead of going to town with his saber and destryoing evil by cutting right through it like a muthafuckin badass ... just threw the saber away...
I mean, what????
And then the Emperor just roasted him and he did nothing, and had to be saved by Vader, who died, despite a Midicount from OVER 9000!!!!!!, to a little sparkle of lightning.
What a shit movie that was...
This is literally in character for him, he dramatically threw away his other lightsaber in rotj to symbolize he will not do what he is asked. He did it this time for the exact same reason.
I know, so disappointing!
I wanted him to walk out all by himself with nothing but his lightsaber, and, like stare down and entire legion of AT-ATs. Then they, like, all fire on him at once for like two whole minutes.
Then, he like just brushes off a speck of dust, cuz taking all those laser shots without even flinching was totally beneath him.
Would have been so badass.
And then just completely humiliate Kylo Ren in a duel where he just effortlessly dodges every attack and doesn't even bother actually fighting him, because he's just that much better than him (both skills wise and morally wise) that there would be no point.
I was excited to join communities to delve into Star Wars, it’s a huge Galaxy with various media (EU, games, Disney), why not enjoy all of it? It seems that a lot of people would rather just be angry.
This meme is exactly correct for children of the OT even if a lot of people never hit the last stage: acceptance. For better or worse, was the explicit intention of the director. Rian would belly laugh at this
i actually rewatched this last night and had an interesting thought
the kinda sudden, unexpectedness of that scene was great because we felt the exact confusion Rey does! we're also expecting him to pick up the lightsaber, return to the galaxy and fight some baddies, but that isn't who he is anymore. we're expecting the same mythologised character she is, but he's broken and thrown in the towel! it's honestly great imo!
Star Wars Fans: If Luke does cool jedi stuff, it's just pandering to nostalgia and redoing the original films.
Also Star War Fans: Why didn't look do the cool shit he did in the original films!?
I'm looking at the comments in the thread and a lot of you are becoming exactly what you're hating lol.
If someone didn't like Luke in Last Jedi, that's a totally valid opinion. Mark Hamil seemed to have the same one lol... If someone loved him, that's fair too. But to get so upset at people's opinions is exactly the toxic stuff we make fun of on this sub, so this thread is super ironic.
Mark actually has said he changed his mind from his initial misgivings about it. Many haven't yet got the memo, or they cynically think Disney pressured him to say nice things. I take Mark as his word. He changed his mind and likes it now that he has seen the finished product.
Is selective hearing just the thing in this sub now?
https://twitter.com/MarkHamill/status/1603662483272499201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1603662483272499201%7Ctwgr%5E5e8d0a3e47943874f493952c3a3119d8ddad7ebc%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Flast-jedi-mark-hamill-criticism-luke-skywalker-different%2F
He's nowhere said he's changed his mind. In other articles he's still said it was a little off.
What are you referring to? You wanna share the memo?
The buildup of music for 10 seconds, leading to the payoff of no music, the pause for a few seconds waiting for the audience to laugh, and the fact that people in my theater were laughing after he threw the lightsaber.
You do know that the reason he became a “crappy hermit” was because he made a rash decision and accidentally made his dream of rebuilding the Jedi order literally go up in flames, and caused him to abandon his sense of hope and idealism, only for him to be reminded of such by the movie’s end.
You do know that, right?
It’s a really important detail that the movie shows that Luke was WRONG and that his decision to do what he did to Ben and his self-exile was NOT the right choice. Many fans have the impression that TLJ is attempting to frame Luke’s as a role model when, in most of this movie, he is absolutely not.
I’ve grown to appreciate an exiled Luke. Yoda’s “the greatest teacher, failure is” really resonates with me nowadays.
That may be true, but the Luke we originally knew in the OT wouldn't have done that. Luke saw the small bit of light inVader, but the moment he sensed a bit of darkness, he went to kill his nephew. Sure he realized last second, but the Luke we all grew up with wasn't that type of guy. He doesn't try to kill unless he gets angry cause others are in danger. Luke got angry at Vader for threatening his friends and sister.
It just feels like they tried to fit a new story around a existing character instead of fitting the existing into the new story. What I mean by this instead of saying "Here is the story, so we are changing luke to fit it" they should have said "OK here we have Luke. How can we fit him into the story without ruining the story and without changing Luke's personality"
I think what they should have done (my opinion) is that Luke exiled himself after failing to see the darkness in Ben Solo, causing the new jedi order to be destroyed.
>but the moment he sensed a bit of darkness, he went to kill his nephew. Sure he realized last second, but the Luke we all grew up with wasn't that type of guy.
In the OT when Vader talked about harming Leia he suddenly went ham on Vader...what do you mean the Luke we grew up with isn't that type of guy?
The guy who also abandoned Yodas teachings to save his friends? Who got his hand cut off as a result.
You do understand that even if he did try to talk to him he would probably already be to far gone for it to help right?
I'd like to go into the issues you have with Post RotJ and hopefully give you a bit of perspective on the character and character writing in general.
>Luke we originally knew in the OT wouldn't have done that
Yeah. You're right. But people change. Look at how you acted in your early twenties and it's highly likely that after life has chewed you up a bit you'll come out the otherside a different person.
>Luke saw the small bit of light inVader, but the moment he sensed a bit of darkness, he went to kill his nephew.
There is a huge thing you may be missing here. When Luke goes into that hut it's with the intention of finding out the extent of the darkness he had seen in his training.
The perspective:
At this point in Luke's life he has a lot of pressure on him to do everything right. There's now a new generation of Jedi that he has the burden of training and beyond that he has the son of his sister and his best friend that he has to mold the right way. And he, among any one else, knows the danger of not training a jedi the proper way. His biggest fear at this time is creating another Vader.
So now he feels this darkness inside him. So he goes to find out how deep the roots go, and in doing so he gets another vision. In his words, it's a vision of Ben destroying everything he loved. And his experience with his visions, through his own lense and likely through his father's lense, these visions can't be stopped in the way he would normally think. He tries to save Leia and Han, but they still suffer, Han still gets captured. Anakin tries to stop Padme from dieing, but even turning to the darkside doesn't stop this vision, or the ones of his mother for that matter.
He doesn't know what to do, the pressure gets to him, and in that brief moment he thinks that he can stop it by killing Ben.
Just to make it clear that he didn't just go to kill him because he saw darkness. It was a complicated situation that devolved as it went on.
>He doesn't try to kill unless he gets angry cause others are in danger. Luke got angry at Vader for threatening his friends and sister.
This is fair. But think of this: What If what he saw was Ben killing Han? He only says that he saw the death of everything he loved, so I think it's fair to assume that he saw his friends dieing and out of instinct meant to stop that.
>It just feels like they tried to fit a new story around a existing character instead of fitting the existing into the new story. What I mean by this instead of saying "Here is the story, so we are changing luke to fit it" they should have said "OK here we have Luke. How can we fit him into the story without ruining the story and without changing Luke's personality"
So clearly you understand that Rey is the story. And the point is not to take her out and put Luke in.
The intent with Luke in Last Jedi was to give him a character arc. But since they already have a main protagonist they couldn't give him that same arc. So something else had to be written for Luke. Rian Johnson got the arc for Luke from the old legends and folk stories like King Arthur and Beowulf. In those stories the hero wins, but that's only half the story. When you move those characters into their later years you find that they fall victim to their own success. That they tend to crumble under the pressure their legends try to hold them up to.
For me, that was a perfect way to continue Luke's story without it taking away from Rey. When you write a character it's never a good idea for them to stagnate. The longer the story goes, the more your audience is going to see something different from them. Namely, they need to grow.
The problem here is that when we roll credits on RotJ Luke doesn't really have much room to grow. He's completed his goal of redeeming his father and has saved the day. The next step is to train more Jedi, which doesn't inherently mean he'll be challenged, at least in a meaningful way (you could see him having difficulty training students, but you probably want more compelling stories for a character like Luke)
So with the benefit of a 30 year time jump you can effect these drastic changes and tell the story of how they got there.
Sorry if I got super verbose on you and my intent is not to just tell you "YOU'RE WRONG!". I just see people misreading Luke in Last Jedi often and I feel it's a disservice to the character to assume that a drastic change in Luke can't happen. I thought it was such a great story myself and I want others to be able to enjoy it, and I think there's been a lot of well poisoning with content creators being dishonest in how they go over and analyze this character in the Sequels. And these sentiments get repeated so much that it just becomes a consensus amongst the fans.
If you got this far, thanks for reading my ramblings and May the Force be with you!
In the treatments that George Lucas wrote for the sequel trilogy before he sold Lucasfilm to Disney, he had Luke Skywalker being a reclusive hermit living at a remote Jedi temple after having tried and failed to create a new Jedi order.
When the female protagonist shows up (in his treatments, named Kira) Luke is reluctant to train her. So The Last Jedi was pretty much was what Lucas had intended for Luke all along. It wasn’t J.J., it wasn’t Rian, the idea came from Lucas.
Luke was actually following in the footsteps of Obi Wan and Yoda who were hermits before him. As we see in the OWK series, Obi Wan had his dark period as well. Maybe Yoda did too.
if you think people didnt like it because they had a specific image of what was going to happen you mostly wrong people didnt like it because they didnt like what they watched.
iam really tired of people demeaning criticism and backlash as just people taking a fit at what they didnt get rather than what they did.
not everyone has the same tastes and some people can overlook things for the sake of their own enjoyment others cant.
But he did awesome Jedi stuff. Just later in the movie.
And they didn't like it. Because it isn't like old jedi stuff.
Its exactly like old Jedi stuff though. Luke refusing to fight, bringing his loved ones to safety and letting the sniveling hateful bad guys collapse into themselves was precisely how he defeated Palpatine in Ep VI. It's not like the manchild fanfiction they feel entitled too from reading all those comics and playing all those video games, though.
Between *RoTJ*, *TLJ*, and *Everything Everywhere All At Once*, I get really hyped about climatic 'fight scenes' where the hero uses genuine love and empathy to beat the antagonist rather than directly fighting them.
If they don’t like it, that’s their business. I did
Ofc, I did too. I think it's ridiculous hypocritical to say "Luke did no jedi stuff 😔 shit movie 😠" and "Luke did jedi stuff that hasn't been done before shit movie🤬🤬" like certain people do.
There were changes and weird/new plot directions in every single SW movie but they only get mad when it happens in the sequels lol
It’s weird when people say that Luke did Jedi stuff in last Jedi. I just don’t get that. He did Jedi stuff in that movie. Whether you like it or not, that’s a different matter
But how am I supposed to know when the awesome jedi stuff happens if they don't have someone specifically call out the awesome jedi stuff?
No way to know. Complete mystery
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Jedi are NOT super heroes. Or a Dragonball character (HIS MIDI-COUNT IS OVER 9000!!!!) His story was over, he became one with the Force. Like Obi Wan before him. It was not giving up, or getting killed because his powerlevel was too low...it was as the Force (aka Star Wars God, as Jedi are monks and holy knights, not Harry Potters...) saw Luke's role in the story as ended and done. With a bang. His sacrifice made sure Kylo got a lesson keeping him on the path of rdemption, and allowed the Resistance to continue... I wish people would stop thinking of Jedi like videogame chars or superheroes etc...its the totally wrong approach.
"Darth Vader turning against his master got him killed! SUCH a downer."
He was a cyborg and got hit by electricity of fucking course that would kill him.
And of course that level of exertion of the Force would kill LUKE.
If only the brainwashed cultists could process that lol
No, turning to the light side killed him.
So why didn’t Reva just die? She clearly decided to not kill Luke back in Kenobi
Because she had the dark side.
Who else did you see that preformed that? Just show me one person
Luke dying was sad. But the force projection of his was still really cool. I would compare it to Tony’s snap. Both Luke and Tony did a move that would kill themselves. But they did it anyway, to save their friends and family
Tony was dealing with something of unspeakable cosmic power, Luke died from the same shit he spent much of his life using. The irony of that is dumb
Tony and Luke did the thing that no one else did
Well, there was Thanos...
Lmao just Luke
You said Tony was the only one to snap their fingers. Actually, Thanos and Hulk both snapped their fingers.
Ik i said just Luke
It was established that early on the movie that something like that would kill you. Kylo brings it up.
Luke never used force projection on that type of level before. Because it would kill him and Luke knows it. But he did it to save his family and friends
I forgot the part in the original trilogy where Luke projects his image halfway across the galaxy with the Force.
Maybe the midichlorian count stuff was bullshit and was to show how far the Jedi order had drifted from its spiritual beginnings and commitment to balance in the Force
These folks grew up on too much prequels and TCW. Don’t get me wrong, I love that stuff, but Anakin showing off was not a representation of “awesome Jedi stuff.” It didn’t have CGI robots or spinning lightsabers, so they must’ve missed the scene where it was all laid out plain: “adventure, excitement, a Jedi craves not these things.”
They don't know thats the jedi way and just say that shit a thousand time
Anakin showing off is basically the *opposite* of what the Jedi were supposed to be, and that was kinda the point
They wanted to see Luke face down the entire 1st order with a laser sword; which would have been dumb.
Hahaha it’s so funny that Luke literally chided Rey for wanting exactly what those fans wanted!
And the best part to top it all off is that in the end, we *did* get him doing just that, but in a way that made thematic/narrative sense and wasn't just pandering.
Yup, he kept with the Jedi ideal of using the Force for knowledge and defense AND echoed Empire Strikes Back beats of having a climatic twist and using the Force in a never before seen way to communicate over long distances. Wow. Just…wow.
>too much prequels and TCW That, and comics, MCU, anime and video games. Have you even HEARD of the fact that Avatar: The Last Airbender is better than Hamlet and Lord of the Rings combined?
The virgin "I didn't like it, therefore nobody is allowed to like it" vs the chad "I didn't like it, and moved on with my life".
This. I can easily respect those in the later camp because that's how I am with the Transformers movies and a few others. Whenever I see a trailer for it (usually when at a theater seeing another movie) and think "wow. I still don't like the look of these" and then move on. I in fact do not go on a 5+ year harassment campaign screaming at anyone who still watches/likes said movies.
I have A LOT more respect for people who can admit that they didn't like it because it's not what they wanted than I do for people who say "iT's ObJeCtIvElY bAd."
Wow. How can 20 years pass and yet they haven't grown up what so ever!?
So they didn't watch long enough to see Crait?
Lmao
Guess I was right. They wanted Luke to be this OO Gary Stu Jedi doing amazing force powers and moves. They can never handle the thought that Luke is just human and is prone to mistakes himself.
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I'm here to tell you that everything's going to be alright man.
Go cry in your little whiner sub.
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Nah, it’s what you do when your mom cancels your Xbox live subscription.
Nah she wouldn't do that, we chilling.
Brainwashed cultist never ever watched the movie lmao
Luke also abandoned Han, Leia, and the Rebellion, to go off to some backwater planet in Empire Strikes Back, and I don't hear ya bitching about that.
You mean **when he sensed they were in danger he went to Bespin to rescue them??!!!!**
Like how he helped save Leia when she was in danger at the end of the last Jedi? You see it’s like poetry, they rhyme
That was a dumb move and he accomplished nothing. He nearly died if there wasn't leia to save him
It still shows he’d risk his life to save his friends even if he went his own way. Plus he still saves Han Solo in ROTJ from Jabba.
Y'know there's a thing called maturity. And he gained that in years between movies.
If meaning between ESB and ROTJ, oh for sure.
Yes. If you notice he was more mature and did it when he was ready and that's the thing about TLJ too, he didn't rush there himself to be killed instantly with AT ATs he projected himself and that worked out pretty well.
You mean **when he sensed they were in danger he went to Bespin to rescue them??!!!!** and then when Han was put in Carbonite Luke went to rescue him then too.
Use that fucking brain of yours. He did the same in TLJ when Leia was in danger
6 years later after he caused Kylo Ren to flee and join Snoke and the First Order causes the death of the entire Hosnian Prime, Lor San Tekka, Han Solo, Resistance Fleet. Guess he gets a participation award? Though he hardly did anything but play a magic trick, say something snide shit to his nephew, and then just keel over and get a heart attack.
He didn't. Even if he didn't have done that to him he would have left anyway because if you know snoke was in his mind FOR A LONG TIME and that only made the inevitable sooner which isn't a problem at all. He eventually saved the entire resistance by holding the first order distracted and buying time for Rey to save them later in the movie. His didn't just have a heart attack he died because of the insane level of the force power he pulled off and literally no one else did it in the universe.
It's fair to want the Jedi Master Luke we grew up reading and seeing in video games. Before Last Jedi Luke could have gone into hiding for any reason and I'm sure we all wanted to see Luke in this big cathartic moment. He was the hero of our childhood. But as Harrison Ford famously said to Mark Hamill, "It ain't that kind of movie, kid." The goal with Luke in Last Jedi was to progress the character and deepen his story. Not only did Hamill specifically say he didn't just want to be a cameo (meaning he wanted the character to have agency over the plot to a degree) but Johnson wanted the character to be more than just an action figure. He wanted to tell a story with the character that would have deeper meaning than just "He take lightsaber and it go schoom".
This. Luke Skywalker is not a superhero. Many people expected him to be, and were disappointed when he wasn't. This is one of the core themes of The Last Jedi.
Right. We already got Luke Skywalker, the Jedi Master who saved the galaxy every other month. It was time for a new generation of stories to take place that didn't revolve around this character. Him passing the torch was as necessary as Obi-Wan and Yoda stepping out of the way after Luke was trained.
>Luke Skywalker is not a superhero. Exactly. And I'd argue the fact that he isn't one is what makes him such a great character. For all his accomplishments and great power, he's still just a *person*, with flaws and personal hang-ups just like anyone else. That's part of the reason why I think that canon Luke Skywalker is one of if not the best Jedi Master, because in the end he acknowledged his own flaws and improves from them in a way that many Jedi in the past weren't able to due to their hubris. And if Luke can ultimately learn to pick himself back up after making a mistake/failing and emerge stronger for it, then so can we.
Yep, hated it when Luke, instead of going to town with his saber and destryoing evil by cutting right through it like a muthafuckin badass ... just threw the saber away... I mean, what???? And then the Emperor just roasted him and he did nothing, and had to be saved by Vader, who died, despite a Midicount from OVER 9000!!!!!!, to a little sparkle of lightning. What a shit movie that was...
Sarcasm right?
This is literally in character for him, he dramatically threw away his other lightsaber in rotj to symbolize he will not do what he is asked. He did it this time for the exact same reason.
I know, so disappointing! I wanted him to walk out all by himself with nothing but his lightsaber, and, like stare down and entire legion of AT-ATs. Then they, like, all fire on him at once for like two whole minutes. Then, he like just brushes off a speck of dust, cuz taking all those laser shots without even flinching was totally beneath him. Would have been so badass.
And then just completely humiliate Kylo Ren in a duel where he just effortlessly dodges every attack and doesn't even bother actually fighting him, because he's just that much better than him (both skills wise and morally wise) that there would be no point.
I like that for two years these people just didn't think about why he had gone to hide away on an island
God I love TLJ
Me too.
The Sequel Trilogy is the ENTIRE REASON I’m into Star Wars and gurl am I glad it is!!!
Wah why he not super cool awesome Jedi who do Jedi stuff. 😭😭😭
Watching man babies implode.
I saw the post last night and unfollowed the subreddit. Reading the comments was annoying, to say the least.
Star Wars fans have been, are, and will be, the worst.
I was excited to join communities to delve into Star Wars, it’s a huge Galaxy with various media (EU, games, Disney), why not enjoy all of it? It seems that a lot of people would rather just be angry.
It’s a nasty combiantion of bigotry (the stereotypical “no girls allowed” mentality specifically,) and rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.
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Not anymore I’m not.
The cringe Star Wars fan vs. the chad Star Wars Enjoyer 
This meme is exactly correct for children of the OT even if a lot of people never hit the last stage: acceptance. For better or worse, was the explicit intention of the director. Rian would belly laugh at this
i actually rewatched this last night and had an interesting thought the kinda sudden, unexpectedness of that scene was great because we felt the exact confusion Rey does! we're also expecting him to pick up the lightsaber, return to the galaxy and fight some baddies, but that isn't who he is anymore. we're expecting the same mythologised character she is, but he's broken and thrown in the towel! it's honestly great imo!
Star Wars Fans: If Luke does cool jedi stuff, it's just pandering to nostalgia and redoing the original films. Also Star War Fans: Why didn't look do the cool shit he did in the original films!?
That post pissed me off.
I'm looking at the comments in the thread and a lot of you are becoming exactly what you're hating lol. If someone didn't like Luke in Last Jedi, that's a totally valid opinion. Mark Hamil seemed to have the same one lol... If someone loved him, that's fair too. But to get so upset at people's opinions is exactly the toxic stuff we make fun of on this sub, so this thread is super ironic.
Mark actually has said he changed his mind from his initial misgivings about it. Many haven't yet got the memo, or they cynically think Disney pressured him to say nice things. I take Mark as his word. He changed his mind and likes it now that he has seen the finished product.
Is selective hearing just the thing in this sub now? https://twitter.com/MarkHamill/status/1603662483272499201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1603662483272499201%7Ctwgr%5E5e8d0a3e47943874f493952c3a3119d8ddad7ebc%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Flast-jedi-mark-hamill-criticism-luke-skywalker-different%2F He's nowhere said he's changed his mind. In other articles he's still said it was a little off. What are you referring to? You wanna share the memo?
He hasn't changed his mind about liking The Last Jedi. That's what he's saying. The memo: https://twitter.com/MarkHamill/status/945784443964309505
This meme doesn't say it was bad, just that they were disappointed
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Because people here like to get angry at anyone who doesn't like the ST
To be fair, that scene would've been a lot better received if it was taken more dramatically and not played off as a joke.
Watch it again. How is it played off as a joke?
The buildup of music for 10 seconds, leading to the payoff of no music, the pause for a few seconds waiting for the audience to laugh, and the fact that people in my theater were laughing after he threw the lightsaber.
How is it not a joke? He threw the lightsaber off the ledge. Because of Mr subvert expectations
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You do know that the reason he became a “crappy hermit” was because he made a rash decision and accidentally made his dream of rebuilding the Jedi order literally go up in flames, and caused him to abandon his sense of hope and idealism, only for him to be reminded of such by the movie’s end. You do know that, right?
It’s a really important detail that the movie shows that Luke was WRONG and that his decision to do what he did to Ben and his self-exile was NOT the right choice. Many fans have the impression that TLJ is attempting to frame Luke’s as a role model when, in most of this movie, he is absolutely not. I’ve grown to appreciate an exiled Luke. Yoda’s “the greatest teacher, failure is” really resonates with me nowadays.
Media literacy isn’t the Fandom Menace’s strong suit.
That may be true, but the Luke we originally knew in the OT wouldn't have done that. Luke saw the small bit of light inVader, but the moment he sensed a bit of darkness, he went to kill his nephew. Sure he realized last second, but the Luke we all grew up with wasn't that type of guy. He doesn't try to kill unless he gets angry cause others are in danger. Luke got angry at Vader for threatening his friends and sister. It just feels like they tried to fit a new story around a existing character instead of fitting the existing into the new story. What I mean by this instead of saying "Here is the story, so we are changing luke to fit it" they should have said "OK here we have Luke. How can we fit him into the story without ruining the story and without changing Luke's personality" I think what they should have done (my opinion) is that Luke exiled himself after failing to see the darkness in Ben Solo, causing the new jedi order to be destroyed.
>but the moment he sensed a bit of darkness, he went to kill his nephew. Sure he realized last second, but the Luke we all grew up with wasn't that type of guy. In the OT when Vader talked about harming Leia he suddenly went ham on Vader...what do you mean the Luke we grew up with isn't that type of guy? The guy who also abandoned Yodas teachings to save his friends? Who got his hand cut off as a result. You do understand that even if he did try to talk to him he would probably already be to far gone for it to help right?
I'd like to go into the issues you have with Post RotJ and hopefully give you a bit of perspective on the character and character writing in general. >Luke we originally knew in the OT wouldn't have done that Yeah. You're right. But people change. Look at how you acted in your early twenties and it's highly likely that after life has chewed you up a bit you'll come out the otherside a different person. >Luke saw the small bit of light inVader, but the moment he sensed a bit of darkness, he went to kill his nephew. There is a huge thing you may be missing here. When Luke goes into that hut it's with the intention of finding out the extent of the darkness he had seen in his training. The perspective: At this point in Luke's life he has a lot of pressure on him to do everything right. There's now a new generation of Jedi that he has the burden of training and beyond that he has the son of his sister and his best friend that he has to mold the right way. And he, among any one else, knows the danger of not training a jedi the proper way. His biggest fear at this time is creating another Vader. So now he feels this darkness inside him. So he goes to find out how deep the roots go, and in doing so he gets another vision. In his words, it's a vision of Ben destroying everything he loved. And his experience with his visions, through his own lense and likely through his father's lense, these visions can't be stopped in the way he would normally think. He tries to save Leia and Han, but they still suffer, Han still gets captured. Anakin tries to stop Padme from dieing, but even turning to the darkside doesn't stop this vision, or the ones of his mother for that matter. He doesn't know what to do, the pressure gets to him, and in that brief moment he thinks that he can stop it by killing Ben. Just to make it clear that he didn't just go to kill him because he saw darkness. It was a complicated situation that devolved as it went on. >He doesn't try to kill unless he gets angry cause others are in danger. Luke got angry at Vader for threatening his friends and sister. This is fair. But think of this: What If what he saw was Ben killing Han? He only says that he saw the death of everything he loved, so I think it's fair to assume that he saw his friends dieing and out of instinct meant to stop that. >It just feels like they tried to fit a new story around a existing character instead of fitting the existing into the new story. What I mean by this instead of saying "Here is the story, so we are changing luke to fit it" they should have said "OK here we have Luke. How can we fit him into the story without ruining the story and without changing Luke's personality" So clearly you understand that Rey is the story. And the point is not to take her out and put Luke in. The intent with Luke in Last Jedi was to give him a character arc. But since they already have a main protagonist they couldn't give him that same arc. So something else had to be written for Luke. Rian Johnson got the arc for Luke from the old legends and folk stories like King Arthur and Beowulf. In those stories the hero wins, but that's only half the story. When you move those characters into their later years you find that they fall victim to their own success. That they tend to crumble under the pressure their legends try to hold them up to. For me, that was a perfect way to continue Luke's story without it taking away from Rey. When you write a character it's never a good idea for them to stagnate. The longer the story goes, the more your audience is going to see something different from them. Namely, they need to grow. The problem here is that when we roll credits on RotJ Luke doesn't really have much room to grow. He's completed his goal of redeeming his father and has saved the day. The next step is to train more Jedi, which doesn't inherently mean he'll be challenged, at least in a meaningful way (you could see him having difficulty training students, but you probably want more compelling stories for a character like Luke) So with the benefit of a 30 year time jump you can effect these drastic changes and tell the story of how they got there. Sorry if I got super verbose on you and my intent is not to just tell you "YOU'RE WRONG!". I just see people misreading Luke in Last Jedi often and I feel it's a disservice to the character to assume that a drastic change in Luke can't happen. I thought it was such a great story myself and I want others to be able to enjoy it, and I think there's been a lot of well poisoning with content creators being dishonest in how they go over and analyze this character in the Sequels. And these sentiments get repeated so much that it just becomes a consensus amongst the fans. If you got this far, thanks for reading my ramblings and May the Force be with you!
In the treatments that George Lucas wrote for the sequel trilogy before he sold Lucasfilm to Disney, he had Luke Skywalker being a reclusive hermit living at a remote Jedi temple after having tried and failed to create a new Jedi order. When the female protagonist shows up (in his treatments, named Kira) Luke is reluctant to train her. So The Last Jedi was pretty much was what Lucas had intended for Luke all along. It wasn’t J.J., it wasn’t Rian, the idea came from Lucas. Luke was actually following in the footsteps of Obi Wan and Yoda who were hermits before him. As we see in the OWK series, Obi Wan had his dark period as well. Maybe Yoda did too.
What's so wrong with this.
if you think people didnt like it because they had a specific image of what was going to happen you mostly wrong people didnt like it because they didnt like what they watched. iam really tired of people demeaning criticism and backlash as just people taking a fit at what they didnt get rather than what they did. not everyone has the same tastes and some people can overlook things for the sake of their own enjoyment others cant.
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It’s written in the meme, in the bottom right panel.
It doesn’t even say it’s bad?
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He is not allowed to dislike my movie
Notice something that isn’t there?
dog EDIT: dog is smiling : )
I mean I don't like it but I have better things to do than whine about it.
He did the most Jedi thing possible
Die of heartattack or something??