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sn2006

Adele has stans?


dr_franck

Yes, her fans are nicknamed (and also described by those who know them as) “Wine Moms”.


conancat

This is so on brand though For some reason Adele has been giving wine mom energy since 19 all the way to 30 so


Rothconversion123

The best things in life take a lot of people collaborating together 😍 Seriously though, why is it "bad" in art/music for multiple people work together to create something? Everything outside of art/music has tons of people collaborating together


maricatu

It's bad because it's Beyoncé, she's overrated, and her music isn't even that good, it all sounds the same: bad. She's literally a glorified karaoke singer. /uj because she's black and people don't like she's a cultural icon so they look for reasons to dislike her. It doesn't have any more depth than that.


douceberceuse

/uj also because of the obsession w underdog, lone wolf/them against the industry (when everyone else does the same) /rj Beyoncé industry plant


isitandwatchyou

/uj obsessions with “white underdogs” like taylor swift …


NotCrazyJustMe

But she struggled so much in the label her dad owned trying to find her footing in Nashville after she moved there with full support from her well-off family 😖😖


ProfessionalEvaLover

uj/ I'd rather have 30 producers credited on a legitimate bop than have a boring song "Written and produced by Taylor Swift and Jack Antonoff only" that puts me into eternal sleep


Glum-Band

I'm telling you it's gotta be an issue with the artist cuz I be listening to Jack Antonoff produced The 1975 Songs like 💃🎵🤪, and I be listening to Jack Antonoff produced Taylor Swift music like 😐😑😐😴


pimpleface0710

It depends on how much control the artist gives to the producer. Anton Jackoff seems to exert much more influence on Queen Swift's music than he does on The 1975


Glum-Band

Here's how I see it. Jack is a producer very rooted in the 80s obviously, and he's also very good at helping an artist execute their vision. Examples include the new 1975 record, Lorde's Melodrama, Kevin Abstract's ARIZONA BABY, etc etc. However, he's old school in the sense that he really just helps serve as a polisher / executer of ideas. If an artist doesn't bring their A game, he can't make something A level out of it. Examples of that include the new Lorde album, the couple of projects he's worked with Taylor on, etc. I just don't think there's certain artists that are either bringing it to the table or have enough chemistry with him musically to really make it work.


pimpleface0710

It's all subjective at the end of the day. But it's really hard for me to agree that Taylor/the artist is to be blamed when the Dessner produced tracks on Folklore and Evermore on average all sound better than the Antonoff produced songs. At least for my ears that is.


Glum-Band

Again that's why I'm saying artist - producer chemistry has a lot to do with it. It'd be one thing if everything Jack was producing now was equally mediocre but he's still making plenty of good. Basically what I mean to say it. Jack shouldn't be the producer for everyone. I know plenty of artists (and studio executives) have watched him make fantastic music with female artists but just throwing him at ones and hoping he'll strike lighting twice isn't a great idea


whitegirlsbadposture

The 1975 ones are bad too..


Glum-Band

Nah the new 1975 album was soooo good


whitegirlsbadposture

Eh


hafrances

tasteless


ProfessionalEvaLover

Please, motherfuckers ain't stop—, please, motherfuckers Please, mother—, please, mother—, please, motherfuckers Please-please, mother—, please, mother—, please, mother—, please, mother— Please, motherfuckers, please, mother—, please, mother— Plеase-please, mothеrfuckers ain't stoppin' me Please, motherfuckers ain't stoppin' me Please, motherfuckers ain't stoppin' me Please, motherfuckers ain't stoppin' me


RJXTRM

i thought this was roman zolanski


Rihnaissance

uj/ At least she works with a variety of different collaborators each album and not the same 3 tired collaborators on a loop 🫠


Coco_AfroPuffss

Taylor found dead in a ditch after this drag


sycamoresyrup

meanwhile Midnights found occupying all ten Top Ten spots on Billboard, while Middaissance found occupying the Bubbling Under Waitlist


EngineerAlba

Girl, this is not stan twitter lol


sycamoresyrup

I replied to a comment stating "Taylor found dead in a ditch after this drag"


Coco_AfroPuffss

Girl…it was a joke…we are in a circle jerk sub Reddit


sycamoresyrup

I also made a joke on the circle jerk subreddit


StrangeGlaringEye

☕️🫖 swiftie tears


Coco_AfroPuffss

This criticism is so tired...only reason the credits are so long is because of the sampling/references/and interpolations of other songs, and it'll at most be a line or two


FerBaide

Notice how the writing credits thing mostly pops up to drag Beyonce. It’s giving a word starting with r


maricatu

Renaissance AOTY


annievaxxer

Not that I agree with the criticism re having multiple co-writers but can you name other artists of Beyoncé’s stature that have a similar amount of co-writers?


HoneyImpossible243

Kanye West. Mostly due to sampling. Which is also the reason Renaissance has multiple credits. Both Kanye and Beyoncé are known for crediting everyone in the room. Even if you change one lien, they credit you.


grvy_room

When the Grammys announced the Album of the Year nominations a few days ago, Beyonce's *Renaissance*, Kendrick Lamar's *Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers* & Mary J. Blige's *Good Morning Gorgeous* all had a similar amount of credits ([proof here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Album_of_the_Year#2020s)). It is very normal in R&B and Hip-Hop-adjacent music to use a lot of samples so you have to credit everybody, including the sample's songwriters & producers. The previous year's nominations, H.E.R's *Back of My Mind* and Kanye West's *Donda* also had similar amount of credits (maybe even longer?). Also I noticed a lot of R&B & Hip-Hop acts love to work with a wide variety of producers instead of staying with just 2-3 for the whole album. But of course the internet only dragged Beyonce simply because it's Beyonce.


FerBaide

Some of Gaga’s hits had a lot of songwriting credits, Applause being an example. Same with Ariana Grande. And regardless, Renaissance had a lot of credits because it involved a lot of sampling. Ofc, other people don’t really care to know about that, it’s just another reason Beyonce is a talentless hack for them


annievaxxer

Yeah but for overall credits few artists have more credits than Beyoncé does. I do not have any problem with this whatsoever (on the contrary, it shows that it’s collaborative effort and is pulling from all kinds of references that are rightfully credited) but I don’t know if we can pull the race card here as we don’t have many artists to compare her to.


hafrances

not really though, a lot of people use finneas to drag billie too


Bloboogorples

Pretty sure ppl were dragging Justin Bieber as well last year. But then again his album was mid so


RosaPalms

She ordered an extra pump of pumpkin spice in her daily PSL to reward herself for that sick burn