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FormalWare

A promise to repeal the Hyde Amendment would seem a good tactic for the Democrats.


didyoutouchmydrums

Care to elaborate for the laymen?


FormalWare

I am a layman, myself, but as I have read, the Hyde Amendment restricts abortion at federal facilities - and at Armed Forces facilities, in particular - to cases where the pregnant person's life is threatened or where the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest. (The HA does this by restricting federal funding for abortion outside those cases.) The repeal of the HA would allow the federal government (if I am not mistaken) to expand abortion services wherever offered on federal land/at federal facilities.


Dreadedvegas

It explicitly prohibits federal funding for abortions except for the exemptions listed. Doesn’t prohibit abortions themselves


AgentFr0sty

Most federal land is parks and other protected lands. Not sure I want to hike into Yellowstone for that


UnreproducibleSpank

“Welcome to Yellowstone! Here for abortion or pleasure?”


Sceptix

Seriously, it fits in well with the whole “camping is code for abortion” thing that’s been going around.


hellscaper

What is code for what??? --- Ohhh, I gotcha. Going "Camping".


wayoverpaid

California has a lot of really lovely state parks. If you need to go for a camping trip it's highly recommended.


WeedNWhisky

Why not both? Get your junk vacuumed and enjoy a relaxing weekend in nature as you recover!


random_nohbdy

> get your junk vacuumed I wanna go back to 10 seconds ago, when I was blissfully ignorant of this colorful description


KiltPutler

What you prefer to push it out?


HotMessExpress96

I’ve never heard that expression before, I’m howling 😂


PartialToDairyThings

The old Dyson Delivery eh


Mikephant

I holler’d.


Turbulent_Athlete_50

Abortion and some tax relief. What else you offering ?


DungeonGushers

One and the same, thank you!


camxct

"Excellent! Now we just need to position you standing over Old Faithful..."


Semyonov

Yeah but every post office is federal land as well. And those are in almost every city in the country.


khais

VA Hospitals.


AgentFr0sty

Not very sterile for abortions.


dane83

You know that you can reconstruct rooms to be whatever you want right? During the pandemic we converted a normal classroom into a second Dental Hygiene Operatory Lab so that they could keep up with the number of dental hygiene students enrolled and the social distancing requirements. Went from random classroom to sterile health environment in like three weeks. Throw a couple bucks at things and you can do a lot.


artsting

That could change. Chuck out the postmaster from his posh office and turn it into a field hospital… ;)


VectorB

Any federally owned building is "Federal Land". State and local laws do not fully apply there. Including earthquake safety regulations as I learned from my kids daycare that is in a federal building. fun fun.


Coworkerfoundoldname

post office


okram2k

VA hospitals and military bases is probably what they had in mind.


SlyJackFox

You’d be surprised. The government owns tons of land and many facilities on said land.


iowafarmboy2011

Former Yellowstone National Park employee here, there are already fully functioning medical clinics/doctors offices within the parks boundaries. Most notably in Mammoth Hot Springs for employees, guests, and whoever needs it.


AgentFr0sty

I guessbthats more reasonable. Turning a national park into an abortion hot spot? Surely there's another way


artsting

But you could open abortion clinics there. Paid by Medicare? (I don’t quite understand your system, being European). So cheap, readily available women’s healthcare, birth control and abortions. Of course the issue would be that the GOP would close it down as soon as they came to power but at least it would save some lives in the meantime.


AgentFr0sty

It's about location. Medicare is for seniors mostly. Medicaid is what I have and is for those with low income. But it requires states to have expanded them. I know our system looks screwed up but remember a lot of us are pissed off too, and many blue states won't outlaw them and won't comply with extradition laws. So we aren't taking it lying down either. What I find interesting is many red states aren't adopting full on bans despite the votes for it. Seems even Republicans recognize abortion as necessary


artsting

Thank you for the clarification about Medicare and Medicaid. I think that the different systems in different states just muddies the waters so much. My guess is a poor person in a red state probably won’t know if or where they can get a legal abortion. And it seems your minimum wage is so low they probably couldn’t afford to travel? I’m not American but the US has a lot of soft power and the example given will embolden a lot of misogynists in a lot of countries around the world. A lot of deaths… not just in the US.


AgentFr0sty

As yhe person beneath me noted our Constitution, specifically the 10th Amendment, relegated non-specific powers given to yhe federal government to the states. This was on purpose. The federal government has special powers that trump the states. But anything else is given to the states. As a result, each states runs like its own country. In reality, the federal government and president are much weaker than people perceive. The court has run amok, but ultimately this gives the decision back to the states. It's appalling, I won't argue there, but it's how our system works.


artsting

I understand. It seems to me, however, as a child of humanism, that the system would work best if general humanist issues (human rights, separation of church/state, etc…) were federal and day to day (taxes and general management) were state-led. Knowing that your founding fathers were steeped in the humanistic philosophies of the day (Voltaire, Hume, Rousseau, et al…) makes this a seemingly logical premise? But it seems the GOP has transformed this into a literalist view instead of a humanistic principle view. Dommage…


sarac36

I mean yea, we've seen this with slavery, we've seen this with civil rights, and I'm sure we'll see it again with this issue and LGBTQ rights. Having a patchwork of state laws handling rights doesn't work. But in the current situation, we'll probably need an amendment to fully rectify the situation, and that won't be for a *long* time.


AustinDodge

There's so much latitude given to states to set their own laws and rules that it might be easier to think of each state as it's own country, and the USA as something like the EU. This also makes more sense geographically, a typical US state is the same area as a typical European country, and California has a larger population than Poland. Most benefit programs and taxes are implemented at the state level, as are most criminal penalties, or even what counts as a crime - in my state I can walk down the street to a licensed dispensary and legally purchase more joints than I could smoke in a month, but the next state over I could go to prison for a decade for smelling too much like weed.


zeCrazyEye

Yeah I don't think people realize [this](https://s23256.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/US-Europe-size-comparison.jpg) is what America looks like. Yeah we have some pretty liberal states that are similar to Germany or UK, and we have some states that want to be more like Turkey and Syria.


TheSurbies

You would be surprised by the amount of federal land all around you wether urban or rural. They have a ton of land. Fucking USPS facilities alone.


WhatCERName

Are you fucking kidding me? A stay in a beautiful national park to recover from what is always an unpleasant experience sounds like self care level 5000 to me. If I ever have to go through something that difficult again I would wish it was in a place so relaxing, instead of a strip mall clinic with a sidewalk full of hateful floor length skirts slinging shame and brimstone.


julbull73

I mean win/win right? National parks get increased attendance and you now have protected womens rights. Plus EVERY state has a national park within 1-2 hours away!


mightcommentsometime

One of the points of national parks is to protect and preserve nature. Building more things on them goes against that purpose.


artsting

Less humans would probably help nature quite a bit ;)


julbull73

All national parks have a ranger station though. This would also provide medical facilities there.


BLMdidHarambe

Could a non profit fund those services on military installations as a way to get around the Hyde Amendment?


kroakfrog

Seems like repealing the Hyde Amendment would open up tribal lands to allowing access to abortions too, wouldn't it?


FormalWare

I saw that suggested - and also saw Indigenous people say "no, thank you".


Tashre

Time to see if conservatives really support our troops.


Flyinglamabear

They don’t. They stopped pretending during trumps presidency


dertleturtle

They stopped pretending during Vietnam when troops were less white and came back telling people the war needed to end.


cyberfrog777

It's cyclical. Troop supported went back up after 9/11, but clearly was not an issue based on trump's response to the Intel showing that Russia has bounties on American soldiers.


spaceforcerecruit

“Support our troops” *rhetoric* came back. They still didn’t do jack shit to actually help them aside from a couple recruitment-boosters like free college if you come back alive. They still gutted the VA while sending hundreds of thousand to death or injury.


sinus86

Even when I was a young E3 in 2004 I knew the idolatry and hero worship was bullshit from everyone I met. The right just went HAM on it so anyone that protested the dumb shit wars Rumsfeld started would be "slandering the troops" Hated that fake ass shit then, hate it even more now. You're really not welcome for my service America, you're actually a massive waste of my time.


meatball77

They're arguing against veterans funding and raises.


VectorB

They dont. Stop trying to catch a con in a hypocrisy gotcha. They do not care at all about being hypocrites, lying under oath, or using our military and veterans as political pawns to be discarded.


Zacisblack

News Flash: They don't.


BotheredToResearch

*John McCain's ghost, Khizr and Ghazala Khan have entered the chat*


dust4ngel

they support the troops just like they backed the blue by bludgeoning them to death with american flags at the capitol building.


sungoddaily

No support on Jan 6...Gee I wonder why.


Cynicalsamurai

They only support conservative troops, the rest of us aren’t *real* soldiers, Marines, airmen, etc


SirJelly

So now we're at "women only have *some* rights if they're in the military or work for an American Megacorp but also aren't trying to join a Union" Is that right?


newlypeaceful

And only if they experience traumatic violence first or they’re at risk of dying and we won’t be able to control them anymore


West_End_Boi

Service guarantees citizenship! *Would you like to know more?*


drawkca6sihtdaeruoy

I'm doing my part


majorblack98

I’m doing my part!


Throw_Away_Politics-

Dystopian America just leveled up! Ding!


De_facts

This isn’t in regards to troops but for the hospitals that service surrounding communities. Abortion as far I recall has never been covered for troops. Disregard.


Banana_Bag

It is, in case of risk to mother, rape or incest. Every military treatment facility I’ve been stationed at has provided both surgical and medical abortion.


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So only if they’re raped or have a medical condition? Sorry I’m not impressed.


Kevin_Wolf

You don't really have to be impressed. This is the most that the military can do by law. The [Hyde Amendment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment) prevents the military from offering any more than this, but this also isn't new. It's what's been done for many, many years at this point, because of the law.


486921

Proof that it's not about saving the fetus, it's about punishing the woman. The fetus dies regardless of why it's aborted. But the woman loses rights based on why it's aborted.


katieleehaw

100%. They don’t think it’s murder or these exceptions would never have existed in the first place.


A_Achilles

That's correct. As it stands military coverage will not cover a female service member, or the female spouse of a service member if she wants an abortion. It's not even an option. Want to be more upset? Tricare - the insurance that covers US military service members - will pay for breast augmentation. They'll pay for a boob job but not an abortion.


mightcommentsometime

That's the Hyde amendment in action. TriCare doesn't really have a choice here


FamiliarHorror

So I'm going to push back on this and say no, it won't. That's a long running rumor, but from conversations I've had with military medical and from checking the TRICARE Policy Manual myself, this simply isn't true. It will be covered in the event that it is medically necessary (in the event of a mastectomy, for instance) or when used to repair obvious deformity/injury/scarring, but otherwise your boob job is on your dime.


rojafox

The exception here is if they is willing to get it done by someone in training. I have known a few people who got some free cosmetic work done by military docs because it was for training.


A_Achilles

I've personally known multiple people to get it done. They generally only have to get a memo from their primary care provider that says without the procedure their self esteem is damaged. Also, I should note that one of the women I know who was able to have Tricare cover it (she was a spouse to a military service member) was able to get it approved because she said it would improve their marriage and a military mental health care provider approved it.


Mantipath

Also only if they can *prove* they were raped. Oh, did you think it was as simple as saying "I was raped"?


tobetossedout

And if the GOP ever take back the presidency?


echoeco

They will abort Democracy...


FrankNoCastle

Then the military is gonna double down. You think they gonna listen to some nutty yahoos about what they should/shouldn’t do?


vanhellion

Every American soldier represents a pretty significant monetary and human capital investment in training, expertise in their field, potentially combat experience, leadership, etc. A president might succeed in banning abortions in the case of rape, which would be awful. But at the very least I can't imagine them not doing medically necessary abortions. It would be like telling them to stop treating bullet wounds. They aren't going to effectively let someone bleed out when they could be saved.


PrinceWith999Enemies

If that nutty yahoo is the president of the United States, yes they will.


Number1ish

You’re a pentagon official that‘s decades into working on a projected century long mission to westernize a middle eastern country, how much do professional respect do you give the guy who won the nation-wide popularity contest made up of people that have no idea what you’re working on or the region it affects when he comes in and after being briefed on what your project has accomplished in recent decades says he know where to go from here? That’s how pentagon leaders look at elected officials.


PrinceWith999Enemies

In my experience, about 25% of the leaders you run into are pretty progressive, about 25% are as conservative as a Rush Limbaugh fan, and about half are just jaded af. A lot of the jaded folks would be considered conservative, but they are mostly professionals for whom the good of the service and their units come first. They’ll kick the can down the road if they’re able to do it, but they’re not going to put their career on the line for it. More than that, we’re not looking at a mere change in administrations any more. Congress and SCOTUS have changed, and it’s a generational change.


FrankNoCastle

Guess who the last president was..


PrinceWith999Enemies

I was initially separated just as DADT was becoming a thing. If we can lose Roe, we can definitely go back on everything there, too. Hell, the leading republicans have already been attacking the military for being “woke.”


lonewolf210

Yeah because the military has pushed back hard on them trying to bring back DADT and stuff. I feel like the military showed pretty strongly under Trump that they are willing to tell the President to pound sand when they perceive it as harmful/bigoted


PrinceWith999Enemies

There are absolutely leaders who will resist implementing orders they see as political theater. Those are the ones that we have to thank for holding on to what we have. There are also leaders who will enthusiastically embrace this kind of change. But we’re not dealing with an EO designed to move the needle on a midterm election here. We are watching a major reversal in human rights. At the end of the day, some Major or Colonel is going to be a hell of a lot less likely to disobey a legal order than a surgeon at Johns Hopkins or Stanford, and I can guarantee you those people are, by and large, not going to risk their careers and freedom to perform an abortion once the Feds are at their door.


lonewolf210

I wonder how a military doctor conducting an illegal abortion would play out under the Feres Doctrine?


De_facts

To be honest as someone who has spent there whole adult life in and around the military, I think they are the example we should try to emulate. That walk the line of being fully inclusive as possible with out providing extra benefits to certain people. You can make the argument that they aren’t always focused on fighting the nations wars and you’d probably be right, but they sure in the hell aren’t discriminating (from a legal standpoint, obviously application isn’t the same thing).


Barrien

Eh, when Trump tweeted or w/e that he was banning transgenders from the military / transitioning, the Navy put out a statement that said "We are looking into ways to implement the President's directives." And then they just never did anything, they were "looking into it" endlessly, and we just never actually changed our policy.


FahKinWright

No, no they won’t ……..just wait for it !


kazejin05

Only to an extent. One of the few reasons our democracy didn't crumble in 2020 and early 2021 was because of generals who explicitly told Trump "No", even to the point of shouting hom down, when he wanted to use the military towards unconstitutional means. Every military member has the right to refuse an unlawful order, and an order banning what can be an essential Healthcare service would 100% qualify as unlawful. At the end of the day, there's a balance between the commander in chief's ability to command, and the general's willingness to obey.


007meow

Can they outlaw military abortions? How does that work?


SemenSigns

It's also about to get more complicated when they take the Senate when by the forecasts Mark Kelly and Raphael Warnock lose their seats.


lonewolf210

I don't think Kelly will lose his seat but Warnock is probably in trouble


kitzunenotsuki

The armed services are strangely usually a bit ahead of everything. And provide a shit ton more for the members than the general population. They legalized gay marriage before it was nationally. They have universal healthcare, schooling, and housing for everyone.


altmaltacc

Yeah its a bad sign when the U.S army is most progressive voice in the room.


Existing365Chocolate

The US military is one of the world’s largest social benefit programs


NorthStarZero

You’d be surprised to learn how progressive the military really is.


foxtik36

Yea I was raised from military socialism.


FatMick

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2016/03/01/race-and-the-air-force-the-truth-about-how-minorities-get-promoted/ Let's not go jerking ourselves off too much. The military still has a long way to go.


NorthStarZero

…article is 6 years old…. Is the military an egalitarian utopia? No. Does it have room to improve? Yes. But compared to the average red state, it is practically Sweden.


FatMick

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2020/09/01/military-diversity-army-shows-few-black-officers-top-leadership/3377371001/ You're right the article is old, so i found a more recent article and it's actually gotten worse. Furthermore, black men are overrepresented on rhe military. So as a nation we are more than happy to put them in harms way, but promote them at lower rates than their white counterparts. But I will concede that compared to a red state the military does socialism correctly. Housing is generally available, Healthcare, retirement. Amazing how the right loves the military but hates all the services the armed forces provides for our soldiers.


NorthStarZero

When you start talking about senior officers, the selection process is… extreme. It’s a very hard-edged meritocracy that requires hitting all the career checkboxes and making it through the selection boards. It’s not a perfect process - how the hell did Flynn ever make general, fer crissakes? But it goes out of its way to be colourblind. But when you have a minority group to start with, that winnowing and selection process is going to strip away proportionally more of the minority than of the majority. And the minority that do make it through the process are more vulnerable to losses: if you have 4 black generals, one retires, and the boards select a white dude, you lost a quarter of your representation. That’s just math at work, not racism. Now, it is absolutely worth the exercise to examine the selection/promotion process and make sure that there isn’t some form of institutional racism at play, some cooked-in bias that makes it harder for someone black to get picked up by the board. And if something is found, to eliminate it. That process must be constant and ongoing. But assuming that those issues have been identified and corrected, the meritocracy should not be compromised in favour of representation. I don’t care what colour my commanding general is, but I care very much that he (or she) is not an idiot.


lonewolf210

Ehh. As a veteran Air Force officer O-6 and above promotions are not nearly as objective as you are portraying there is a shit ton of politics starting with the hidden concept of "High Performing Officers" which is an internal designation you get from the Personnel office. With out that designation it's pretty much impossible to make General. And there is not open criteria on how one can get that designation Add to that how important getting the right assignments is which are often done through interviews when you get to higher ranks and there is lots of room for bias/racism to creep in. It is not at all objective


LordyLordiLorde

> It’s a very hard-edged meritocracy that requires hitting all the career checkboxes and making it through the selection boards. So you don't know anyone in the military then. If you did, you'd know how easy it is for favorites and fuckups to get those boxes checked. > But assuming that those issues have been identified and corrected, the meritocracy should not be compromised in favour of representation. > That’s just math at work, not racism. This is just old school racism dude. The meritocracy myth + "it's just a numbers game". At least you wasted a bunch of your time typing it up. Also you spelled it "colour" with a "u" twice. Just some gb english foriegner here to tell us all about how our military isn't racist lmfao.


FatMick

I agree with almost everything you've said except for the assumption that, "those issues have been corrected". As pointed out in my second article the numbers went backwards. I haven't seen anything more recent. We can't assume anything until we have verifiable proof that things are better, but I do hope they are.


minor_correction

Abortions only under extreme circumstances is not very progressive at all. Women have more rights than this in most states.


Lost_Tell9281

“In cases of rape and incest”. I think there’s a bigger problem Mr Pentagon isn’t addressing among service members?


Repulsive-Theory-477

Can see it now Add comes on screen: join the military. We pay for you to attend college. Unwanted pregnancies? We will abort them so you can continue to fight for our country.


wardensarecool

Right wing heads are going to explode. On one hand they'll want to call out the Military but on the other all they do is kiss their ass. I wonder which Congress person will say this silent part out loud.


CassandraAnderson

If you think that would make their head explode, the military used to force female officers to have abortions or lose their job until Ruth Bader Ginsburg was about to bring it to the Supreme Court and the Department of Defense quickly realized they weren't going to win the case so they changed the policy quietly. https://www.military.com/history/how-ruth-bader-ginsburg-helped-end-militarys-policy-of-forced-abortion.html This was 3 years before Roe v Wade was decided.


DragoneerFA

I was almost one of those babies. It was have an abortion or be removed from the Army for my mom.


kazejin05

Wow


Warm-Marsupial9085

Still happening: https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/07/pregnant-cadets-midshipmen-must-give-their-child-or-their-career-two-senators-want-change/183973/


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yutmutt

Its less so targetted at abortions and more so "no dependants if youre at a service academy" you also cant get married or get someone pregnant (And admit to it) without being kicked out


lonewolf210

The policy technical applies to male cadets as well it just obviously has much less implications. Like if a cadet couple have a baby they both have to give up parental rights to the child. It has to do with the requirement that cadets aren't allowed to have dependents. Don't take that as defending the policy just explaining it


Alarmed-Ad3241

They’re going to do both. Look at how the reacted to mandatory COVID vaccines in the military.


paone00022

I mean the legal answer is that Roe v Wade did not make abortion illegal. It merely said it wasn’t a constitutional right which means states, local government, military, and any entity can put any restrictions or relieve any restrictions they want to. So the military is completely within its rights to do this.


wardensarecool

I totally get that. My thought is that one of the crazy congress people will critize the military for allowing it to happen when they know one of the main rules of their hand book is "The Military Does no Wrong". I'm just wondering which congress person will be the one to do it.


007meow

Nah, conservatives are now definitely ok with criticizing the “Woke They/Them military”


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PrinceWith999Enemies

This will change as soon as the government changes hands. They just have to wait.


loco500

Umm. Pretty sure many now believe the troops have gone "woke" with helping members undergo transition procedures. They're all into giving the industry as much funding for big toys that can bl0w sh!t up that make their tiny peckers feel YUGE...


pteradactyl7

Some conservatives, both civilian and military themselves, reeaallly dislike military women because of all sorts of nonsensical reasons. Sometimes it's that their spouses feel threatened, sometimes it's that women will get reassigned after getting assaulted, sometimes it's that women being in leadership just makes them generally uncomfortable due to lack of buy-in to the concept of women as actual people with all the agency and latitude that comes with in a workplace. So military association is usually enough to get you an amount of respect and legitmacy in conservative circles but not if you're a woman. Edit: Forgot to address your actual point... I am saddened to say that I am guessing that conservatives will conveniently forget to care about this specific military problem, and their congressional reps too.


rawfish71

Rational Republicans will recognize that abortions due to rape, incest and risk to the mother's health account for less than 5%. So we'll be ok with this. [Article ](https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/)


h3r4ld

And rational *people* will recognize that the other 95% of abortions are each woman's deeply personal decision, and that no one, anywhere, should be telling them what they can and can't do with their bodies.


wardensarecool

I am glad there are some rational Republicans left but people who I called friends and are republicans have been becoming less and less rational by the year. I wish there were more out there.


dizzlefoshizzle1

Watching my family and friends spiral into anti freedom of religion rambling coupled with excuses for why freedom of speech should also protect all hate speech, is really sad to watch. But seeing how rapidly its happening I can only assume they've always thought this way and the only difference is they feel like they have the platform and confidence to spew all this bullshit.


thepartypantser

Rational republicans? It seems most anyone rational has left the party...or been kicked out of it.


thatstupidthing

rational republicans dont matter anymore, the clowns have taken over the circus


dirtywater83

There are no rational republicans left. Any rational person wouldn’t be a member of such an irrational, anti-American party or left when there was still an illusion of rationality in the GOP.


dizzlefoshizzle1

Yeah man fuck those people it's less than 5% so they don't matter. S\


AlliBaba1234

Because the military does such a good job at recognizing rape 👍


cbbuntz

Don't get too excited. They're providing abortions in cases where it's basically indefensible not to. They aren't saying women still have a choice


TortureSteak

When you join the military, you pretty much effectively hand over rights to your body anyway....


WestCoastBestCoast01

Pregnant women are seriously useless to the military too. It’s in their best interest to keep troops in tip top physical condition.


AmbitiousParty

As a woman who had a baby while in the Air Force and worked right up to the day before I gave birth, excuse you!


TortureSteak

Well, they don't call it the Chair Force for nothing..... I keed, I keed


lilBloodpeach

No they’re not? Like 95% of military jobs are dust jobs or administration. Barring complications, pregnant women do their jobs just as well as nonpregnant women.


JohannaVa84

But at least they provide medical care and contraception. My daughter is active with an IUD. At least if she has an ectopic pregnancy, she probably won’t die.


King_Kthulhu

> indefensible not to. And yet there are still so many states where it's illegal?


Barrien

Get Congress to repeal the Hyde Act, you'd likely see the military branches open up more to abortion.


HelloLesterHolt

Honestly, it’s to cover up all the SA of female soldiers. But glad it’s available


Voting101

Soon the only way anyone is going to be able to afford a house, receive healthcare, etc is to join the military.


DoogieBowserARC

Can’t have a military if they die from ectopic pregnancy due to rape on a military base….


katiecharm

Only providing abortions in cases of rape leads to false rape accusations. Just fucking allow abortions wtf.


jjkoto

What if she just doesn’t want to be pregnant?


No_Wonder3907

The Military is a socialist structure.


cheysuli

Yep, but don't tell them that. They get offended and start saying they earned it by, uh, something something, defending freedoms. Source: Am vet. Defended something something. Uh freedoms.


Pocketfists

I am happy hear that some people can tell the Supreme Court to - FUCK OFF!


Steppyjim

Right so only the poor people can’t then


Heathster249

You know what? Let’s just let Medicare and Medicaid negotiate prices for drugs. Then the abortion drugs would be about $10 or less which is what you can get them in Mexico for. 1 is a generic ulcer medication sold over the counter there. Seriously. It’s time we had better, cheaper access to decent healthcare. Or just have a friend vacationing bring you back some.


_Happy_Sisyphus_

What if women simply don’t want to risk their life carrying a baby?


CT_Phipps

The US military is now progressive from the public's legal system. ... This is where we're at.


smurfettekcmo

I’m curious to see how exactly this looks a done. Right now tricare will cover in these case but you still have to go off post. Military hospitals on federal land can’t perform abortions because there is a law against using federal funds to perform abortions.


SquareWet

Biden should instruct the military to buy up and federalize all abortion clinics.


thep1x

Not good enough


everything_is_bad

Not good enough


goomyman

How about whenever a pregnant woman wants one.


mobsterer

not good enough imho. it is missing the "whenever the mother fucking wants it gone" reason.


NahImSerious

Pretty sure abortions of all kinds are provided - not the bullshit worst scenario reasons... Simply not wanting to make a human is an sufficient reason


Fookinwok

Will conservatives stop pretending to support the military now?


Agent_Velcoro

Come on ladies, this is a pretty sweet deal! Sign up and go kill some brown people for oil, get raped by your fellow soldiers and you can still get an abortion before they give you a dishonorable discharge! /s


Tjbergen

So the military restricts abortions. Why?


Bitter-Dirtbag-Lefty

Dishonorable discharge to any Army Doc that refuses to conduct an operation


NoSignal547

That would already happen


XirCancelCulture

Good.


lespaulstrat2

What about when you just don't want it which over 90% of abortions are.


Perspectedlook

So just another reason to force people to join the military, take away citizens rights keep it for the military is an age old tale


vrzyh

less rights in the military, trust me.


juliazale

Tell me you only care about staffing your profitable war machine with out telling me.


raydiatian

Remember folks: the goal here is survivalism for the Republican Party. The Roe v. Wade overturn is all about driving blues out of red states. _You don’t like our stance on abortion? Tough, don’t live in Missouri/Alabama/etc._ The groups who can afford to move will move. The groups who can’t will see an increase in their birth rates. The result? The Republican Party will have an underprivileged cohort to hypnotize into joining the military, indoctrinate with religious garbage, all while remaining competitive in the electoral college system. You want to see the largest agricultural institution in America? Look at the Republican Party, literal growing and reaping human souls.


Appropriate_Chart_23

The fuck? So, if you want to sign up for military service, you can still have an abortion. What the actual fuck is going on with this country????


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robotractor3000

What? These military bases will continue to provide them regardless of the ban. That's what the headline says.


Oblivious-abe-69

Only rape, incest, or life threatening situations. And the military was a pretty bad record addressing rape


Kcb1986

Not if the the abortion is conducted on a military installation. Military bases are federal-not state, property and a state can't say or restrict anything that happens behind the gates.


Oblivious-abe-69

Only in cases of rape, incest, or life at risk. So the message is don’t get pregnant.


Kcb1986

Yes, I am aware. The Hyde Amendment makes it clear. That said, even in states where all abortion is banned regardless or the cause or the safety of the mother; they can't do anything to a military base. Missouri's psychotic abortion ban? Ends where Whiteman AFB begins.


Oblivious-abe-69

It’s a cold comfort is my point. You don’t get to chose where you are based, and if it’s not a pregnancy from one of those three things idk how the hell they’re supposed to do something about it. Also men accidentally get women around bases pregnant all the time.


itsnotthenetwork

the land the bases are on is treated federal land, not state land.


JordyBoi99

I'd like someone to find a single state that outright bans abortion with no exceptions for the health and safety of th mother. While that certainly exists for rape and incest in some states, none of them ban abortions at the risk of the mothers health and life. Even Alabama, which has some of the strictest abortion laws, has exceptions to allow it for the purposes of protecting the mothers life and health. https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-13-7.html


major_booya

The link you provided hasnt been updated since January 1st, 2019, which is before Roe V. Wade was overturned. We will see what states do regarding abortions, but I would not be surprised if this is just the beginning of legislation regarding sexual matters, especially based on Justice Thomas's opinion stating that they are also looking at decisions that defended Contraception, Sodomy(affecting Homosexuality), and Marriage Equality.


zaqwsx82211

Missouri literally tried to ban treating ectopic pregnancies earlier this year before the new ruling. In case you don’t know, an ectopic pregnancy is never viable. 100% the Child will die, and without treatment the mother will suffer internal bleeding, and is at great risk.


MatildaK9

Of course! Gotta keep working for the war machine. No time off for maternity leave. Abortion recovery 3 days. Birth 3 weeks. Get back to work Slav.. soldier. The sky is green


rojafox

Actually the NDAA for 2022 increased the time both parents receive for leave after the birth of a child. It differs slightly between services, but both parents get 12 weeks of parental leave, and the mother can get up to 6 additional weeks of convalescent leave if needed for recovery.


FlakeGIM

See! If YOU sacrifice your body to the war machine then you too will know the freedom of choice so many proud patriots have. /s It's fucking starbucks union v non-union benefit once again. Just stop.


environart

This should be the precedent everywhere. Keep it how it was.