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Paul Mason: ‘Modern fascism’s interests are being represented in government by rightwing populists’

Paul Mason: ‘Modern fascism’s interests are being represented in government by rightwing populists’

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mixplate

>Who do you mean, exactly, when you talk about modern fascism? >I’m talking about fascist or far-right groups such as the Proud Boys in America and the online networks of white supremacists...


metahead123

Right wingers call the left fascist which doesn't make sense. The left are always antifascist. Part of the problem is not looking at history. Modern fascists are just like the old ones.


mst3kcrow

*"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words."* --Jean-Paul Sartre


tedco3

Awesome quote. Thnx!


PaolitoG12

Jean Paul Sartre was a mentally ill degenerate. He was also incredibly ugly, and was mad at the world for his deficiencies. Kinda hard to take anything he says seriously.


-HeavyArtillery

That's part of their BIG LIE.


_Dr_Pie_

Fascist are neither left or right. They're opportunist. They'll espouse whatever policy they think will get them support. That said those policies tend to be right leaning and isolationist.


FasMaledicte

...No, they're pretty explicitly right.


Guilty_Jackrabbit

Eh, there's such a thing as "left-wing fascism" ... which is pretty much left-wingers who support fascist ideas. Honestly it seems like the problem is _fascism._ If I see fascism, I'm against it. ... It's just that fascism is now a mainstream idea in the GOP while it's still largely out on the fringes of left-wing discourse. So, imma focus on that first.


Davezter

Fascism is distinctly far-right. Political Science has a clear cut definition of fascism that is universally agreed upon. It is a far-right authoritarian philosophy that is a marriage between cooperate and state power. The idea that fascism could ever come from the left is a bastardization that was started by the right either through ignorance or intentional deceit to muddy the waters. I'm not upset with you, but this point needed to be cleared up.


Beno177

So vaccine passports (ability to participate in society Contingent on taking a product offered by huge pharmaceutical companies) isn't a form of Facism ?


DrAkinsPhD

No. It is not. You are confusing science with politics.


Beno177

Lol it really is, Government and corporations working together, You don't get vaxed, No passport no freedom. Simple


DrAkinsPhD

It’s a public health issue. Delta is more contagious than measles or smallpox. Your freedom ends where your behaviors pose a significant risk to others around you. This is why we have traffic lights, stop signs, drunk driving laws. That’s not fascism. It’s living in a functional society.


Beno177

Completely different box of frogs, regardless or reasons, If government Restricts your ability to participate in freely society and everyday life because you don't take a product that technically isn't even FDA approved yet that's offered by a huge Private Pharmaceutical corporation is Facism, It meets the definition of Facism.


DrAkinsPhD

The vaccine was approved for emergency use to deal with a significant public health crisis. Over 4.5 billion COVID should have been given worldwide. The vaccines are safe, and effective at keeping people alive and out of the hospital… even with breakthrough infections. Prior to emergency use authorization the vaccines were tested on tens of thousands of patients. More than an adequate sample size to establish safety and efficacy. Again, it’s your choice. Get the vaccine or not. But society doesn’t owe you the right to put others at risk because of your decision.


RedCascadian

You're being offered the vaccine for free. Get a free jab so you can participate in society without endangering everyone else around you. Or do you think it's also fascist if we can massively hamper your ability to participate in society by taking your license to drive away because of too many DUI's?


DrAkinsPhD

Not different at all. If you are unvaccinated you pose a greater risk to others around you. There is plenty of legal precedent here. Public safety supersedes your right to do what you want, when your action or inaction poses a significant risk to those around you. And by the way, you do not have a right to a job. Employers decide what is required for employment within the company. If they require a vaccine, you can choose to get vaccinated and work for the company, or not.


TravellingTransGirl

So auto insurance (ability to participate in society contingent on purchasing a service offered by huge holdings companies) isn’t a form of Fascism?


Beno177

Not having insurance doesn't stop you from enjoying a meal inside a restaurant, Or being able to hold employment, Or getting Education, Since people of colour are Majority unvaccinated, I'd even call Vaccine passports Racist


Davezter

That depends. Was the decision made to promote the general welfare of society or was the decision made with the benefit of the corporation as the primary consideration? Was there another clear non-corporate solution that would have been as fast, effective, and with similar cost that was passed over intentionally to benefit a corporation? Is the benefit of the corporation generally the #1 goal of that government that instituted the rule? Was there an implied or explicit threat or use of state sanctioned violence to force compliance with the rule that exists primarily for the purpose of benefiting the corporation? Would you fear the corporation notifying your government if the corporation found out you did not accept their product?


sepia_undertones

A hallmark of fascism is the tendency towards authoritarianism, which is a right wing ideology. They typically believe a sole or extremely small base of power is best. Extreme left wing ideology typically is anarchist; that is, no person or government should hold power. There’s fanaticism on both sides, to be sure, but fascism is a right wing ideology. If a left winger is pushing fascism, they aren’t left wing, they’re right wing and just don’t like the current strong man the established right wing is pushing.


metahead123

Totally disagree. The left is classically assigned to socialists and communists, who believe in big government, ending capitalism. Communists believe in the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' or communal government. In practice a small group of party insiders run things. Democratic Socialism is about regulating capitalism and assigning all people services to government to remove profit motive. Anarchists, like Libertarians more fringe. They are for little to no government which ends up benefitting capitalists, who are actually running things now. Anarchists tend to fall on the left side of the political spectrum in terms of social justice and caring about people, where Libertarians in practice say those things but are actually just Republicans. Fascism to me, means antidemocratic, nationalistic, autocratic total control as in Nazi Germany and white supremacists. Mussolini defined fascism as the merger of corporations and the state, which is pretty much where we are governmentally, LOL.


sepia_undertones

I think you’re missing the forest for the trees a bit, which is honestly the point. Assuming you’re also American, we’re educated poorly in political ideology and it’s on purpose. Hard to say communism is a direct threat to your way of life while also explaining at the heart of the ideology is the communal urge to life all tides. That’s not what happened in the Soviet Union - I firmly believe communism and pure socialism is not possible long-term, because there are always going to be greedy assholes - but we all know the Soviet Union was rife with corruption. In terms of pure ideology, the left is about spreading power, ideally evenly to every citizen. Look at it this way - everything is on a spectrum, and this spectrum has four poles: west (leftwing), east (right wing), but also big government (north) and no government (south). The left is about dispersing power, and the right is about consolidating. Anarchy is a stupid and piss poor way to achieve the goal of dispersing power - see my previous comment about greedy assholes - but the idea is that in a state of no government, everyone is equally powerful, since government can be (and usually is) a tool of oppression. That’s the south west end of the graph, and it fits more naturally than the north west side, which would be socialism. The reason socialism is less natural isn’t because it wouldn’t be a good form of government to live under in a utopian world, it’s because, just like in Animal Farm, as long as there is government some people would be more equal than others. Fascism is inherently right wing because it’s not about dispersing power, but very specifically it’s about consolidating power. Now, fascism is also not north east (big government, consolidated power) on our scale, it’s more of a political style. Plutocracy is properly when the owners of the capital run everything; what makes fascism it’s own beast is that it achieves consolidation of power not necessarily by seizing it improperly (Hitler and Mussolini were elected) but by preying on the common folk’s fears of the other to begin consolidating power and using violence to enforce its power once it has any. A person replied the other day in a response they must have deleted since it never showed up except for a watch notification, asking if I meant then that Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were then right wing (since they were famously communist). I would argue that yes, in fact they were; there’s a difference between what you say you are and what you actually are, and all of them were strong men who consolidated power and held it closely. That’s right wing. Mussolini was also a left wing advocate before he decided that what he really wanted was to achieve power at all costs; he did so by gaining some power and then aligning himself with capitalists, who literally had a lot to lose if the left wing that was growing in Italy at the time gained power.


metahead123

>I disagree with this >>"but the idea is that in a state of no government, everyone is equally powerful, since government can be (and usually is) a tool of oppression. That’s the south west end of the graph, and it fits more naturally than the north west side, which would be socialism. The reason socialism is less natural isn’t because it wouldn’t be a good form of government to live under in a utopian world, it’s because, just like in Animal Farm, as long as there is government some people would be more equal than others. " << Here in the US, without govt, there would be no social safety net programs, no FDA, no OSHA, no NLRB, no labor or product safety laws, no pollution standards. Creating a system without elites is one of the hardest problems and maybe won't be solved without spiritual development, if we survive ' til that time. Unregulated capitalism, imo, is the biggest problem right now because it always attacks these common welfare programs and any attempt to regulate their product safety, product truthfulness, labor standards, environmental impacts...etc. Capitalists use divide and conquer psyops to keep us at each other's throats while they continue to consolidate money and power. They fund right wing movements and media outlets. They advocate against education to keep the population dumbed down. Compare red to blue states on this. More education = more left leaning people because of the facts of where we are, as a society. I try to imagine what the US would now, if there was no FDR. Capitalists actually plotted to overthrow the govt back then. I've spoken to elders who were around before social security and they said it was pretty bad. anyway...ranting...:)


Alternative-Pizza-46

You need to learn the difference between authoritarianism and fascism.


repubsrtheproblem

Fascism is a means to an end, not an end. It's the unprincipled pursuit of power for the sake of power. The trappings of fascism are always the same because those are just how one small group manipulates a nation. ​ Fascism is the pinnacle of right wing thinking. Absolute authority and order to be obeyed unquestioningly. Nothing about it is related to left wing principles or ideals. ​ Yes, people who push policies associated with the left have sunken to authoritarianism, but they cease being left wing when they do. North Korea isn't a democratic republic because they say so. They don't meet the definition so they aren't, regardless of what they claim. ​ When you use force, coercion or manipulation to push a policy, you cease being left wing regardless of what policy your pushing. Left vs right isn't a policy question, it's principles and intents for policies that make them left or right wing. Does it intend to increase freedom and equality or does it intend to reinforce order hierarchy and authority. Does it concentrate wealth and power or does it equalize them? ​ No policy is left or right by itself. What makes it left or right is what it does, what it's intended to do and how it was implemented. ​ Take government spending. The right claims to hate it, but always spends more for defense and "law and order". The left spends on social welfare, to increase the freedom and equality of the majority. Both policies of government spending. ​ Take size of government. The right claims to want it small, but is happy to grow the military, DHS, TSA, law enforcement. The left doesn't stipulate small or large, but they grow it to serve the publics welfare. Both policies of increasing government, just where and for what.


RedCascadian

There's a colloquial term called "red fascism" which is basically what North Korea is. A lot of the same qualities as right wi g fascism(misogyny, hierarchy, duty to the state, etc) but with a thin veneer of leftist rhetoric.


Ryan233tiger

Fascism isn’t a right or left thing. Assuming one side is always against fascism is wrong, both sides are capable of it. Blindly believing a party is not capable of fascism is exactly how you get fascism.


RedCascadian

Fascism is a pretty explicitly right-wing expression of authoritarianism. Hyper-nationalism, emphasis on ethnic and religious in and out groups, traditional hierarchies and gender norms, obsession with some mythic past greatness, etc.


8to24

Conservatives have been arguing in bad faith for so long I don't think any Republican voter can honestly explain what they even advocate for at this point. Being anti Obamacare, anti Hillary, anti Masks, etc defines Republican voters political ideology. They are purely oppositional on the ground level.


darkscyde

>Conservatives have been arguing in bad faith for so long I don't think any Republican voter can honestly explain what they even advocate for at this point. Oh, don't worry. In the absence of brown people to denigrate or healthcare to deny you will hear the good ol' staples like "small government" and "personal freedoms". There are no concrete positions on the right anymore. It's fascism all the way down.


Enlighten_YourMind

Small government, unless they are in charge, then it’s tyrannical totalitarian government 🙂


KrisInHere

Which policy u referring to that was tyrannical or totalitarian?


Enlighten_YourMind

Easy example is the red state governors BANNING local & municipal governmental entities from establishing their own best practices/mask mandates around schools and other places within their own communities. This constitutes huge executive overreach at the state level…but Republicans love it cause they are the ones doing it 🙂 But then again craven hypocrisy in the pursuit of power is their standard procedure these days


PinkyAnd

This dude regularly posts in quarantined subs. He’s not at all interested in an actual conversation.


Enlighten_YourMind

Just wanted to give him an easy to understand example of what I’m talking about in case his micro sized peni…brain genuinely felt like engaging with an intellectual concept today


KrisInHere

Wow ad hominem attacks! Im shocked!


KrisInHere

Its ok if you aren’t able to answer bro.


PinkyAnd

Why can’t school districts manage their own safety policies? Why does the Governor get to tell people how much risk they have to take to educate kids? Or how much risk the kids have to be exposed to in order to be educated? Why do state governments get to sit between a doctor and a woman seeking a medical procedure?


KrisInHere

School districts do create their own safety policies. But who else would step in when these policies infringe on the rights of the kids? You don’t have the right to not catch a communicable illness while in public. This has been a risk we’ve taken for centuries. Remember that not all parents and children are going to consent to being told they cant breathe freely in public. The governor isnt forcing anyone to take risk ha. Quit your job if you are frightened. Homeschool your children if you do not believe the CdC when they say children are at lower risk of infection. Children are 8.5% of total cases and with few deaths as they rarely experience symptoms. Governors are stopping choice from being taken away from its people in one instance where in the other choice has been completely removed from the equation. Regarding your pro abortion comment It is currently legal in all 50 states so I’m not sure what u mean.


PinkyAnd

Having worn a mask, particularly while exercising, wearing a mask doesn’t “prevent people from breathing freely”. If you have a hard time breathing through a mask, it means you’ve got some serious beta lungs. Of course you have a right to not catch communicable diseases in public. Why do you think it’s a crime to knowingly give someone HIV? This whole stupid argument wasn’t a thing even 40 years ago with polio. States don’t have to right to spread disease to kids. Quit your job if wearing a mask is too difficult for you. Homeschool your kids if you don’t want them wearing a mask. You’re just straight up ignorant if you think the state doesn’t get involved in women’s health decisions. Party of forced birth, even in cases of rape and incest.


KrisInHere

Wow thats a stretch if i ever seen one. State govt stopping local govt from taking freedom from its citizens and you call it fascist. Unreal. They aren’t stopping people who want to do it from doing it. Just stopping government from forcing people to do something they don’t want to do. Do you not agree?


_Dr_Pie_

No they're just enabling selfish entitled people to trample the rights of others. Even Washington mandated vaccination for his men.


KrisInHere

Small pox had a 30% fatality rate. The death rate in the worst state in the US (new jersey) is 300 per 100,000 or .3%. OMG LOCK US DOWN PLEASE HELP US, GOVERNMENT! Joke.


_Dr_Pie_

It's not just deaths. Never has been. But that's all you misinformation and propaganda pushers ever focus on. Although I hope you get the chance to meet someone who's lost a loved one. And tell them thank you, and how much their sacrifice means to you. That it allowed you to be a selfish, childish, entitled prick. Unable to get a simple safe vaccine. Or wear a piece of cloth just to protect those around you. I hope someone gets it on video too. Because I'd like to see that as well.


KrisInHere

haha


colorblind_visionary

Maybe if you actually talked to a conservative you would understand their ideology/perspective rather than shitting all over them on a liberal sub


8to24

Republicans were just in control of the House, Senate, and White House 16'-18'. They passed Tax cuts and did nothing else. Promised to repeal and replace the ACA but ultimately never bothered to write a plan, promise an Infrastructure bill but never bothered to pass one, etc, etc.


pale_blue_dots

Going to post [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/6pfkaq/uohaioohio_addresses_the_accusation_that_both/) again for visibility. Good resource for people.


Somethihng-Witty

There IS NO talking to conservatives today. Trying it is an exercise in madness, because it typically takes no time flat for them to be hugely dishonest, and then what? Liberal says something patently obvious, which should be common knowledge. Conservative pretends that thing isn't common knowledge. Liberal proves the common knowledge thing with citations and sources Conservative mocks and slanders sources, drops a "fake news" here and there Liberal rightfully tells conservatives to fuck off because they're being Anti American while rubbing one out to the flag wrapped around the latest country singing tart. ​ Rinse and repeat for every imaginable topic.


colorblind_visionary

Well, not every conservative is cut from the same cloth. The news tends to overstate these things. I just feel like as a conservative that I shouldn't be called a racist every single time I try to speak. It's called a discussion with two points of view. Just because I live life a different way doesn't mean I don't agree with you on some things.


Somethihng-Witty

My experience is personal, not the news overstating things. Conservatives today either lie on purpose, or they're seriously uninformed about basics. Take Russia. Simply saying that word starts the whole "no collusion" thing going even though there is a mountain of evidence to support the idea that Trump worked with them in some capacity. Hell, we can barely get a conservative to admit he asked for their help.


colorblind_visionary

There is no evidence on multiple grounds. The Steele dossier was recently proven to be a fabrication and that was the only piece of evidence put forward in the committee trial. https://www.hoover.org/research/why-was-steele-dossier-not-dismissed-fake


repubsrtheproblem

The dossier wasn’t proven false. Most of it was substantiated. And posting a childish article that simply repeats itself over and over using weak fallacies to defend an emotional bias just further proves the point about all conservatives.


colorblind_visionary

This article is coming from a liberal think tank based in Stanford. You can't get more liberal than there. It's quotes several key articles that point out fallacies in the dossier.


Somethihng-Witty

Read the Senate's intelligence committee report.


_Dr_Pie_

There are a ton of conservatives in the Democratic party. But people don't call them out all that much. Maybe it's because they're members of society, then conservative. Whereas those that identify primarily as conservative/Republican. Are conservative before all else. And will sacrifice everything else in the name of their chosen identity. If you're a Repubican/conservative, you're cut from a similar cloth. Either you support the bad thins they do. Or actively remain wilfully ignorant about it so you can still support them.


PinkyAnd

What, that Democrats are Satan worshipping pedophiles and that masks give you COVID or that Trump won a second term? If you want people to take you seriously, you have to be serious and not engage in outright fantasy.


thorell

It's common understanding on the left that conservatives often argue in bad faith, sometimes without their knowledge. Part of the reason we believe this is historical, read through the Wikipedia page for "[Southern Strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)". This is where the concept of political dog-whistles came from. Another reason is experience. For example, I had a conversation with a conservative and demonstrated that a point was incorrect (it isn't just a bunch of terrorists coming over the border), only to have the goalposts moved somewhere else (child sex trafficking). I provided sources for that, only to see the conversation move again (they all have COVID). After playing this game for a bit, I see the same person making the arguments I've already debunked in another thread. I have to conclude that this person doesn't care about figuring out what's true. They care about the conclusions. It doesn't matter *why* we keep Mexicans out of the country, it just matters that we do it. I've spent hours providing facts to a person who does not care about them, even though he may believe he does. He's been playing the plausible deniability game.


repubsrtheproblem

So when challenged with having no beliefs your response is unfounded accusations? Way to prove their point. My entire family is conservative. I’ve lived in half a dozen deep red states and still know the neighbors and colleagues there. I’m willing to bet I know more conservatives than you do. And they all repeat the same stupid shit.


colorblind_visionary

What accusations? The original comment was saying conservatives were a problem and further insulted their beliefs. I canvased for the republican party and I was in a club with conservative minded individuals. I met Martha McSally lmao, so I know a lot of conservative people. I didn't like Martha McSally, so I don't unconditionally defend other conservatives if they are meaning to do harm to others. I didn't like Trump personally, but I liked his policies and that was enough for me. It's kinda sad that you don't see eye to eye with your family on these things, but I'm not you so I won't judge.


pale_blue_dots

Have you happened to have seen [this?](https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/6pfkaq/uohaioohio_addresses_the_accusation_that_both/)


Ajuvix

You act like we aren't living with them, working with them, surrounded by them on a daily basis. It's kind of the problem right now with the pandemic being drug out endlessly. We can't get away from you, lord knows we try, but looks like we're stuck with you. Also, you guys are the ones who don't want to have conversations when you block everyone out with flair only posts. You can converse freely here, you're welcome.


colorblind_visionary

Um no, this is definitely not a conservative sub. I've been blocked multiple times on this sub for expressing my opinion on things.


tedco3

The Party of No.


mach2sloth

Fascism is always right wing.


jonc732

Except ANTIFA who regularly beats up other groups for just protesting! I am not a Proud Boys fan, but the constitution allows them the right to exist. But does not give anyone the right to destroy private or public property.


entertainak47

Thats BS.


jonc732

So Portland burned its own buildings? BLM were just peaceful? They didn’t rob and burn down stores all over the country? Sure as hell wasn’t the Proud boys!


dirgethemirge

Tell me then asshole, how many buildings did “antifa” burn to the ground in Portland then? Because the factual tally is technically less than one because they only set fire to a part of a police union building. Which was then summarily put out.


jonc732

So we are onto name calling? Typical left wing response


dirgethemirge

Says without an answer to the question


MasterMirari

Literally almost every one of your posts is you calling someone a name lmao. So simple.


jonc732

Wasn’t the Apple, Nike, and Starbucks looted and burned in Portland during the riots? Or were they just lucky lightning strikes?


dirgethemirge

Are all of the stores corporately owned and insured?


jonc732

So if you are carjacked and assaulted in the process, it is justified because you have insurance? Wow! Thanks for letting everyone know!


jonc732

So? Most are franchises and owned not by millionaires , when you can’t get or can’t afford you’re insurance anymore, you are out of business


RedCascadian

Were* those looted by antifa, or the random assholes that always take advantage of mass unrest?


YukioHattori

That's not fascism though. They're not acting on behalf of the government, they're beating up fringe political rivals. It's more fascist for the police to assault protesters than it is for Antifa to crush a Proud Boy skull


jonc732

You have skewed view of what fascism is. The Nazi used the Brownshirts to beat down descenters. Any group that wants to hold a peaceful rally gets attacked violently by ANTIFA. Except one group was left alone, but more than likely it was out of fear. The Oath Keepers were fully armed in Charlottesville.


Rich_Eater

> I am not a Proud Boys fan Mhmm! Sure, buddy!


jonc732

I don’t go to protests or participate. My mortgage or my kids college tuition don’t pay themselves!


RedCascadian

Doesn't mean you aren't a fan, you sure seem to like carrying water for them and the alt-right online.


jonc732

You mean like you carrying water for BLM and ANTIFA destroying and stealing everything in the so called name of justice? Don’t think so. I do however love seeing those videos of ANTIFA getting their asses knocked out after they start something!


RedCascadian

Thanks for letting everyone* know your info all comes from Fox and OAN.


Rich_Eater

The Nazi Party had silent sympathizers too.


jonc732

They had all kinds of sympathizers. The atrocities are well documented


Rich_Eater

You should fit right in then!


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Rich_Eater

How's that workin out so far?!


boredguy2022

No shit?


TacoNeedle

Fascism by its very nature is a far-right ideology. Left-leaning authoritarian can exist, but it’s an entirely separate demon


FireDawg10677

And guess what they are winning they will win because they play cutthroat politics they don’t play democrat politics


Kamelasa

So we should start calling them Modern Fascists or MFs?


zorkerzork

Calling them populist is such a bad take. Yes, they rail against the endless wars and low wages, but these "populist conservatives" \*never\* propose any policy or legislation that isn't simply about building walls (which has zero effect on either) or lowering taxes for the rich.


metahead123

Right-wing and populist are contradictions. Henry Ford and other US industrialists supported Hitler and the Nazis. Capitalism runs everything. They have allowed fascists because they are anti labor, because they are more afraid of the people actually making progress from left side policies. They use scapegoats just like the Nazis, Jews back then, immigrants now. The morons here are trying to blame covid resurgence on immigrants. I don't think populism should be used to describe fascists They're racist nationalists.


ZingerGombie

Jesus, can't believe Paul Mason is getting an outing on /r/politics. He's a joke here in the UK.


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coso9001

woah huge if true. would mean more if this dipshit's plan to combat it wasn't to hand control of the opposition parties to right wingers.


GadreelsSword

Where did he say that?


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Paul mason is a fuckin sell out idiot who will write anything for the right price. Don’t believe anything he writes. He’s fucking a garbage human being. Read up about him and his bullshit. He lies for the right price. All journalists and reporters are sellouts now. Can’t trust any of them.


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chucksef

You know history a bit, but not well. Mussolini was a socialist, yes, but Hitler was a "national socialist", and your claims that he was anywhere in the left have long been laughed out of being taken seriously. Edit: and you could've mentioned Stalin and Lenin ffs... Sure they weren't explicitly the *fascists* of the time, but Jesus they would've been a much better argument than using trying to lie about which half of the political spectrum the famously right-wing Hitler was. SMH at the own-goal on your part there...


EditorRedditer

Amazing, isn’t it?!? Hitler was chucking Socialists and Communists into Dachau in ‘33, before the Jews were even being rounded up… But, yeah, the Nazis were Socialist, lol.


Biggest9

Please explain, if Hitler was so right wing, why he chose to do business with socialist countries first and only? His first trading alliances was with Russia. He didn’t reach out to the capitalistic countries, why? Liberals just hate the idea that every failed and corrupt system of government is left wing. They perpetuate the lie that fascism is somehow right wing ideology. It’s absurd. Also, every assassination of a president in this country has been done by a left wing nut job. Liberalism is death to all it touches! Get it yet?


chucksef

https://libcom.org/files/opposition_and_resistance_in_nazi_germany.pdf Here's some background for you on the 30,000 socialists that Hitler killed in his concentration camps from 1933-1939. Another 150,000 were imprisoned as well. Sure enough, the day after Hitler took power, the entire German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were both outlawed in Germany. Its members were forced to swear allegiance to him or be imprisoned. Those that pushed back were executed. I would strongly rethink your position on this issue. Next time, use Stalin and Lenin as negative left-wing examples. Liberals who refuse to engage you on this issue are ignoring the connection between Socialism and hard-line Russian communism of the early 20th Century. Also, they were absolute monsters, so your argument is pretty much made for you.


itstheitalianstalion

Antifa literally uses fascist tactics but that’s not a discussion anyone here wants to have. Have you ever even met someone who has lived under Fascism? Be they from Spain, Germany, Italy, or any of the puppet governments thats were set up in Hungary or the Balkans, they all hated it and will tell you that Republican Party is not remotely similar to fascism. I met a 94 year old man from Venice who literally grew up in Fascist Italy and to summarize his words: “this ain’t it, chief.”


Lord_Qwedsw

What fascist tactics, exactly? Be specific.


itstheitalianstalion

Censoring opposition opinions and voices by making “free speech” areas and “safe places” comply to leftist ideology. (think Hitler illegalizing the German Communist Party,) large violent gatherings like the entirety of Summer 2020, (Kristalnacht, book burnings, and the Night of Long Knives as a few examples) seeking a scapegoat on which they can pin all of their problems ie. the Police, federal government, and just about anyone who disagrees with their ideology (Jews, Communists, Homosexuals, Gypsies, etc.) and heavy focus on militarization to enforce their ideology, ie marching around in riot gear-esque attire, ready for violent confrontations, and attacking anyone who disagrees with them. For a group that claims to be anti fascist, they’re guilty of a lot of shit that was going down in 1930’s Germany. The only things they’re missing is the centralization of the economy and ceding it to the state, in addition to making holding pens for those who disagree with their ideology. Edit: clarification


Lord_Qwedsw

What ideology are they forcing free speech areas to adopt and attacking police for not agreeing with?


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Mudders_Milk_Man

...what? No. Fascism is explicitly a Right-wing ideology. There are definitely extreme authoritarians on the far left (such as Tankies), but they're not the same as fascists.


GadreelsSword

He’s playing the two sides are equally wrong ploy to draw attention away from the true tyranny of what the rightwing wants this country to be.


Slow_Culture2359

Pure leftist BS