Texas Democrats Have the Right Sense of Urgency for the Fight Against Jim Crow 2.0
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Yes. Thank you Texas Democrat state lawmakers. You are doing the right thing. Thank you for having the guts to do what is necessary to save democracy in your state.
If the Democrats vote to go around the filibuster and any Democrat Senator still votes against the bill, then there needs to be nationwide protests. That’s as clear as it gets that our democracy has been fully captured by the billionaires.
why are voter IDs considered racist? I’ve heard this before but didn’t understand why it would be considered something bad for minorities. I’m not asking in bad faith. I’m just trying to understand
It’s actually a combination of things.
The problem isn’t inherently with the IDs. In theory it makes sense that requiring an ID to verify that someone is who they say they are to vote. But what if the state makes it incredibly hard for you to get an ID? [Like Alabama closing DMVs after passing restrictive voter ID laws](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-01/alabama-closes-dmv-offices-a-year-after-voter-id-law-kicks-in). I’ll let you guess which ones they closed and which ones stayed open.
Or some states will allow certain IDs but not allow others that happen to to disproportionately help their side. For instance Texas allows your concealed weapons permits as valid voter ID but doesn’t accept student IDs. You can see how that might disproportionately help/hurt either side. Or North Carolina not allowing state employee IDs or public assistance IDs which are predominantly held by black people.
This is on top of people who can’t afford the price. Or afford to take the time to get an ID. For a lot of these states these voter suppression tactics work in tandem. Can’t register to vote until you get the ID. Can’t get the ID unless you have two forms of proof, plus cash, plus you have to go to the DMV during work hours, plus some states are even trying require witnesses or notary on voter registration/ IDs.
It’s all about the context in which voter IDs are being presented. It’s one thing to say you need to present a valid ID in order to vote. But when you make it as difficult as possible such that it disproportionately affects a certain subgroup of people it’s hard not to say that their actual goal is a racist policy.
Make the voters IDs free and easy to obtain and there would be no problem. That’s why the entire Republican Party’s argument around voter IDs is in bad faith.
So this is where the kicker comes from the federal side. The federal government can’t just tell states to give people IDs free and easy. But they can write laws for how federal elections are conducted and what the requirements are to be considered a valid voter. So that’s why the Democrats are focused on removing ID requirements for federal elections. Obviously Republcians are against it because it attacks directly one of their best voter suppression tactics.
This is just small example. Look into disparities in polling sites and who is eligible for absentee/mail in voting, barring convicted felons from voting. All of these things work together to help the Republicans game the numbers in their favor.
Pick any Republican state and Google voter suppression and you’ll find tons of articles with firsthand accounts on the different tactics they use and why a lot of their ‘election security’ arguments are built on lies and bad faith arguments.
Edit: Within the context of this bill that Texas Republicans are proposing to do the following:
ban 24-hour polling places
outlaw ballot drop boxes
empower partisan poll watchers to challenge voters, and make it easier for partisan jurists to overturn legitimate election results. (Straight up fascism right there)
Who do you think those voting restrictions are going to hurt?
Your detailed explanation and points completely changed my perspective on the situation. I lean more right and was like how hard can it be to get a damn ID.
I also didn’t get into the fine details of the TX bill and so let focused on the ID part. In my fairness republicans have done a great job of making the ID requirement the main point in the news but once again democrats suck at messsging
> Your detailed explanation and points completely changed my perspective on the situation. I lean more right and was like how hard can it be to get a damn ID.
The left is not against registering every eligible person and giving them a free ID. The right says, "Not so fast, you need to be willing to work and pay to get that ID, and certain ID's aren't good enough." It's a really big difference, but the subtlety is lost in how we currently discuss these things.
If we could just get the right to agree that we want as many people as possible to participate in Democracy, we'd be in much better shape. Keep in mind, there is not widespread voter fraud, and election fraud is a much bigger problem.
edit: And good on you for keeping an open mind. I too once to lean right. You can be cured.
Republicans controlling the megaphone helps with messaging.
Interesting how you politically lean towards the direction that banned your people from coming to this country until black people fought for civil rights, Patel. Might want to interrogate that anti-blackness too.
You should really get your facts straight before spreading lies.
If you are referring to the 1917 immigration act that excluded south Asians form entering the USA was passed by a dem house , dem senate , and a dem president .
2nd , what part of comment leads you to believe I am anti black ?
To be fair…that was the Democratic party before they had firmly traded places with the right.
Alabama DMVs we’re shit down for a huge budget shortfall several years back. Yes it sucked. There were only a couple places you could go in each county for tag renewal/ID/ Titles/ etc. everything. Got my license renewed yesterday at a satellite courthouse. Alabama actually has a very very high percent of eligible voter registered. It’s above 80% I believe. Might be in the 90s. I live in Birmingham
Just to speak of voting IDs in Texas:
Texas does not make it hard to get an ID or register to vote. I registered at 18 in the DMV, it was one extra form and a couple minutes of my time. Any time I've moved I went to a DMV and spent the few dollars and a few minutes of time to change my address. A state ID costs around $14 every 5 years, and your voting registration card is automatically mailed to your registered address before your previous one expires. This is not a burden to a functioning adult as ID is required to do many things protected by The Constitution and other laws, so if we accept it for one then we must accept it for others.
I would have been happy to have the option to drop my ballot in the mail during covid, it sucks that wasn't an option but I like millions of others here in Texas put a mask on and waited in line at a polling place regardless. There will not be poll tests here. Most of the polling places during normal times see hundreds of people or more a day, so that's not going to happen as it's impractical in every sense.
In Mississippi you have to have an appointment or you may not get in that day, inconvenient for many.
That just sounds like bureaucracy though. There's limited capacity for those services, and people would complain if there had to be 3x the number of employees on payroll to take all walk-ins but who would mostly sit around on slow days eating taxpayer money. Appointments are just a normal part of life. This is not directed at you, but there's a general level of entitlement in the belief that everything has to be instantaneous, and that's unrealistic because no other facet of bureaucracy operates that way. I've worked in and managed businesses that are regulated at each the municipal, state, and federal level, and sometimes all three at once; Nothing is fast, rarely are things done in the time estimate given, and that's just the system.
FWIW this is a thread about Texas voting ID and laws, and people go on and on about how bad it is here, but many of them have never even set foot in Texas. It's not that bad here, and if this were the worst example in the country then people are overselling the difficulty of it. I mean damn, sometimes you have to take a day off to do something, reschedule your work for something, that's life. Everyone has stuff come up occasionally that makes them have to take some time to address it, and having a valid ID as an adult is just an expectation. Within 30 days of moving last time I had to get the address changed on my driver's license and handgun carry permit (which there's a penalty for not doing within a month), mailing address forwarding form into the post office, vehicle registration documentation to another county, voter's registration info changed, and I took the time off and did all of them, because that's what you do as a functioning adult. I was working two jobs and going to college at the time, so it wasn't like clearing the time out was easy.
If you have residency in Texas, no criminal offenses that would deny you, and a few dollars rattling around in your pocket then you can have a state ID and be registered to vote here. Could it take a little while to get processed? Yeah, no one should wait until the week before election day to do it.
To each his own sir, experience that is.
If you’re looking for actual research on the subject, I’d like to recommend you take a look at the Brennan Center for Justice. They have a whole page dedicated to voter ID laws and how these laws reduce turnout. https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression
You know there's a lot more than voter ID laws in here, right? Taken all together it's obvious what they're trying to do.
It's not just racist policy, it is also ageist and classist. Requiring government ID means you need to go to the DMV. Think of all the difficulties one could face just getting to the DMV (No time off work, can't find your birth certificate, it's too far away). Republicans *only* let you use state ID, not any other valid ID like college IDs.
If Republicans said "We will make it extremely easy to get you ID" then it wouldn't be *as* bad. But they haven't. They are counting on people being too poor or too old or live too far away to get that ID. That means one less person voting and less people voting means better odds of victory for Republicans.
Did you find a video that reinforces your beliefs from your youtube recommended page? Praise the algorithm!
What did you educate them on? That minorities where you are have ID’s? Good for them!
You left out "My friend is black and he said Republican voter suppression laws aren't racist."
In good faith, you're focusing on a single part of the bill, while ignoring all of the other parts of that bill.
Also, the answer to your question is readily available and heavily researched. In good faith you could learn the answer.
It's nice to see Democrats actually fighting.
Do you know how anything works? They left the state because it's the only way to stop the Republican-controlled Texas legislature from passing a horrific, anti-democratic, anti-American voter suppression bill that would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Texas voters. The Democrats aren't *running away*.
But they are. They're being paid by your tax dollars to vote and take part in the legislative process as representatives of American citizens. Regardless of the outcome they still have a job to do. Most places if you don't show up to work, you get shitcanned.
No, they’re supposed to be acting on the part of their constituents. If they have to exploit some procedural fuckery to act in their constituents best interest, then so be it.
This is a strategic move intended to achieve their political goals. They *are* doing their job. Circumstances dictate this one chance to stop the bill, and they're taking it. That's the opposite of not doing their job.
Before anyone starts saying voter ID laws are the issue here: “The Texas Democrats are, with their absence from Austin, blocking action on an omnibus bill being that Republicans want to use to ban 24-hour polling places, outlaw ballot drop boxes, empower partisan poll watchers to challenge voters, and make it easier for partisan jurists to overturn legitimate election results. What Abbott proposes would be devastating for democracy in general, but the greatest threat is to the voting rights of people of color, people with disabilities, and young people.”
not nearly frightened enough.
They should be more frightened by the fact that they only have like 18 more months of control to make actual changes instead of changing the rules of the elections they just won.
I've been waiting for the left to start to realize they are in a fist fight while trying to talk about it instead of swinging, since...00s? The right's been win-at-all-cost since Reagan.
And get this… Republicans have issues arrest warrants and publicly threatened them…. This is America…
The same America that Ted Cancun Cruz, fled his ruinous selfish policies and the people who put him in charge.
Thank you so much Democrat lawmakers!
It ain’t Jim Crow 2.0 tho
Aren’t you glad Democrats are spending their very precious, very limited time in power trying to change the elections that they ***literally just won?***
Too bad Biden doesn't. He just spent 30 minutes speaking about the dire need to protect voting rights, but doesn't have the balls to call for an end to the filibuster so something can actually fucking be done to protect these rights.
don't necessarily need to end it. actually, make them do it. stand there talking for hours on end. have an attendance requirement that makes sure it is set to only allow one republican out of the cambers. and no phones computers card games nothing to do but listen. water is allowed but no food
> [Biden] doesn't have the balls to call for an end to the filibuster
True, but maybe Kamala does.
[Vice President Harris Hints That She Has Discussed Filibuster Changes With Senators](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1015581214/vice-president-harris-hints-that-she-is-discussing-filibuster-changes-with-senat)
Eh, let's deff add something to the end of the list that already has the border on it. She's plowing through that list.
“Guys, someone should do something, this is getting really bad” seems to be the general response from the dems in office, even the president.
I voted for Biden FWIW
This. I voted for Biden over Trump damn well knowing his centrist fascist appeasement philosophy wouldn't get shit done. I wish I was wrong, but Biden is weak and owned by his corporate masters. I'll never vote for a moderate again.
I will at least vote moderate while more left candidates keep building a base as long as it means no lunatics that want to drive our democracy into the ground. My vote for Biden was for at least some semblance of a actual president in hopes it will bide more time for better choices in the future.
I think the left is messing up. By being donothing corporate Democrats who compromise away our democracy, people won't want to vote for them again. I feel Biden and Manchin's donothingism will doom us to lose the midterm and possibly 2024. People want to vote for fighters, not excuse makers. Until the left gets a progressive in the oval office who is willing to fight the billionaires, we'll just end up with right wing fascism. Most Democrats are owned by the same billionaires as owns the Republicans. In a way that makes them worse for pretending, but ultimately doing the will of the right.
So what's your solution, assuming no other alternative? Are you going to abstain from voting, which is essentially the same as voting for the GOP? Are you going to just vote for the GOP?
You should always vote for the best candidate possible. Promoting voter apathy is exactly what the Republicans want, and shifting the blame to Biden when there are others way more deserving (the entire GOP apparatus, Manchin, Sinema, etc.) is nonsensical.
I'll be more vocal about calling out those who support the corporate Democrats donothing agenda like cheer leaders, without objectively pointing out their many flaws. And maybe the left needs to lose hard before reforming into something that can solve problems. Right now we aren't solving shit, only losing voters who see Biden's compromise philosophy as naive and only setting us up for more loss.
> And maybe the left needs to lose hard before reforming into something that can solve problems.
Is this a joke? I get wanting more to be done and empathize, but there is no bounceback from losing to the GOP, especially if they go full authoritarian (like they are doing right now). People that align with the Republican ideology propped up by racism and propaganda are doing everything they can to undermine any sort of progress to the contrary.
Your solution is to do nothing but promote apathy so "the left loses hard", as if we aren't losing hard already. Got it.
Im sorry, but I've fallen for "vote blue no matter who" my whole life. I'm done. Democrats can meet me half way or lose their power. I agree Right wing winning is a disaster, but then why aren't Manchin and Biden acting appropriately to the threat? Nope. Im done giving blind allegiance to one party because the other is scarier. It solves nothing in the end. They're playing us for fools, and I'd rather watch the system fall apart that continue the charade. I have hope progressives take over the party and save it, but right now the dems do nothing for me.
> I agree Right wing winning is a disaster, but
> I'd rather watch the system fall apart that continue the charade
Your sentiment is understandable but your excuses for apathy and inherent contradiction are laughable. What do you think happens when the right wing wins because people like you decided to sit on their ass and let the fascists win instead of voting for the better candidate? Just sub to the walkaway subreddit, they could probably use you there.
> but then why aren't Manchin and Biden acting appropriately to the threat?
Manchin is showing his true colors (no doubt he's compromised) but what do you expect Biden to do all by himself? Enlighten us on how he can singlehandedly change the rules to fix this problem.
Please enlighten me on how your cheerleading is solving anything? The Dems need pressure from base to fight. Not more circle jerking.
So nothing from you other than promoting apathy? Redirecting the question to me doesn't do you any favors and what you call "cheerleading" is simple pragmatism. Biden was certainly not my first choice but I will always be at the voting booth to continue to vote for the most progressive candidate possible that stands the best chance. Your proposed solution to the issue at hand makes no sense and borders on bad faith.
Remind me again - which is the only political party that voted for pandemic relief and support during this administration? Which is the only party that is pushing for infrastructure changes and improvement in any sort of good faith? Which is the only party acknowledging the circumstances at hand and actually doing *anything* to move the needle in the right direction?
Alternatively, which is the only party making it harder for American citizens to vote? Which is the only party that actively promotes disinformation, violent rhetoric, and cruelty towards sects of the American population they continually dehumanize? Which is the only party that refuses to support the average American at practically every turn?
You keep saying party, which, trust me I’m wicked into the premise, but the things you describe don’t sound like any shindig I’ve ever been to…. But as long as you promise there will be booze, carousing, and someone unwillingly getting pushed into a pool with all their clothes on then I’ll give your rager a chance… this time.
And there is no doubt Democrats are far better than Republicans. But that's a very low bar. Better doesn't mean good.
What you are calling apathy, I am calling pressure. I am not apathetic. Apathy is guaranteeing your vote to a party because you are scared of the other. That is resigning yourself to defeat, knowing you'll either get something bad, or nothing at all. I say I owe nobody my vote, and they should earn it by deeds, not fear mongering.
You do you. But just to let you know, the first people the Nazis sent to the camps were the Socialists.
Sadly, if Texas were to ever flip, I can see this being the status quo with Republicans.
It already is.
Re: Georgia’s voter suppression laws
They are weak
Ready for battle, real American fighter ready to defend from Nazi klan.
Please I just want healthcare
Fuck of it’s not
Do they? Tell that to Manchin and Sinema. Let’s not forget Feinstein either. There are a number of old guard centrist Democrats who are unwilling to budge on the filibuster. Ask the GOP has to do is keep blocking everything and Democrats will lose this fight. Then come ‘22, the GOP will flip at least the House, maybe even the Senate and it’s over.
US politics are so twisted it’s disgusting. On the one hand yes you should have to have ID to vote. Voter fraud should be monitored better, and bi partisan overwatch should be a MANDATORY requirement. On the other hand you should give full access to polls via public transportation, flexible hours, and proper assistance to those who need it. I don’t get why this is a debate. For once can we just meet in the middle and demand that our leaders quit using their political bias to infringe on the rights of the people.
Honestly people who say i.d. is bad are kinda just as dumb as those who say that what Texas and other conservative states are doing is the same as blue state id laws. Theres a balance that needs to be found
You all are so brainwashed. Most European countries have voter ID laws, and a ton of blue states have voter ID laws. The democrat party tells you all what to get mad at and you all just get mad at it like a bunch of idiots
The irony. Even when the MLB all star game was moved to Colorado, Colorado has voter ID laws, lol. Not only that, but Georgia has a huge Black population, by moving the All Star game, a lot of Black workers and Black owned businesses lost a ton of money
How do you all lack such self awareness ? lol.
Lol but you're going to ignore the obvious differences, like how the Texas and Georgia laws look to discourage things like dropboxes, vote by mail, mobile voting, and limits what is considered an id. Whereas 99% of Colorado voters voted by mail and like 16 forms of I.D. were accepted. Georgia only allows 6 which is why they're considered restrictive
You acting like this is the same thing is about as dumb as if you said your Carolla was the same as q Gallardo because it has an engine and four wheels
Literal conspiracy sites. Oann has never reported accurately in the year that I've known about them and voterga is hardly a source id consider trustworthy. Go ahead and believe this bull if you want but its about as real as Santa lol
Also ironic that you're claiming nonconservatives are brainwashed into spewing whatever the democratic party says as truth when you literally sent me articles that took less than a minute to find on r/conartist
Lol I've heard this repeated by every conservative my age for the past 9 or so months. Pretty ironic if you ask me
Ah didn't realize you were asking about yourself. Makes sense now
Jim Crow was a Democrat
And LBJ pissed off the Dixiecrats when he enforced desegregation.
I just still can't find the "racism" and "discrimination" in these voting laws that has everyone pissed off. Where is it. What is it.
Doesn’t exist. They know it doesn’t exist. They’ll continue to lie about how it exists.
This is how internet leftists work, get used to it, lol
So shameful the way you spread lies about this legislation.
I'm not American and I fully accept there may be "dogwhistles" I don't understand. The bill seems completely fine and legimate however? Could someone please explain to me why this would not be the case. I am sorry for any offence caused, I am just trying to understand us politics better :)
Please provide proof of anything they are doing that is Jim Crow? Truth is nothing y’all American Marxist are familiar with!!
No they don’t
Banning drive-though voting and going back to pre-pandemic voting policies. Man, that’s some intensely racist stuff.
I know right? How'd we ever elect anyone before 2020
Didn't the dems invent jim crow when the republicans freed their slaves?
Imagine not knowing the parties have since flipped.
How is it Jim Crow? It’s Voter id. If voter is is racist then oh boy just try buying alcohol or doing anything else for that matter
This is just a lie. Texas already has voter id.
If it's wrong for Oregon Republicans to flee votes, then it's also wrong for Texas Democrats to flee. Show up, vote no, fight the next campaign, maybe win and change the law for the better then.
As a disinterested observer, the context is that in both cases political minorities chose to engage in a stunt that went against the will of the elected (and demographic) majorities in each state. As a political tactic, withholding a quorum is more antiquated than the filibuster, and is also far less likely to affect the outcome. Pursue remedies in the courts or at the ballot box; as elected representatives your job is to attend the session as called by the government of the state and register your constituents disapproval by voting. Abstention and absenteeism has never worked (see Venezuela).
Gerrymandering and voter suppression makes it very much *not* the will of the majority.
Can you point to a poll where a majority of Texans support the bill? It's not even close to a majority in national polls, most restrictions aren't even a majority just of Republicans.
And pursue remedies at the ballot box? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PASSING A LAW TO BLOCK. HELLO?
The popular vote in the 2020 presidential election in Texas was R+5.5 and the Texas House election was R+11.5. Those were the majorities I was referring to, which by extension would support Republican proposals.
Fascinating to learn of an opinion where one has no interest in clean or dirty water. Or care about if people are allowed to vote easier or harder. God that must be bliss.
It's like a character from Futurama. Neutral planet.
If the water were dirty in North Carolina, I would be interested. My give a damn for other states is broken, given all the crap going on in mine.
Ah that's significantly more common of a refrain, thanks for clarifying. I'll just leave it there no need to get personal, but that's how my mother saw the world. I didn't get that from her lol
Well it worked in Texas earlier this year, didn’t it?
Oregon legislators trying to enact climate change legislation- you know to stop the planet from burning… republicans run.
Texas legislators try to further suppress minority and democratic votes to stop Texas from turning blue… democrats leave to highlight Jim Crow 2.0.
It's wrong because of what they were evading, it's not always wrong to take extreme measures to avert tyranny. You might as well be claiming there's never any moral justification to break the law, no matter how unjust it is.
Calling it “Jim Crow” is purposefully in Incendiary and a total lie. This is also the type of talk we have to cut if we can ever think of bridging the divide. It’s just bs