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Is Performative Progress All Democrats Can Muster On Voting Rights?

Is Performative Progress All Democrats Can Muster On Voting Rights?

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Frattitude

yes, it's exhausting and infuriating. next question.


mala27369

Not sure how Americans think they can get progress on voting rights when the keep voting for Republicans.


This_one_taken_yet_

Performative progress is like 90% of what they do. The other 10% is jumping on the progress activists have made over the course of decades of work at the last minute to take credit.


belletheballbuster

For example: Juneteenth as a holiday, because it took zero effort and didn't change anything about the underlying issues


This_one_taken_yet_

See labor day as well. Nice move decoupling it from the much more radical origins of May Day.


Tetsuos_Arm

This is exactly what Joan Walsh wanted, and now she's crying about it. The media (including Joan Walsh) rewarded Blue Dogs genuflecting at the bipartisan altar for decades - why would they suddenly change? There's no incentive for Sinema or Manchin to change. Biden just won running as a centrist, he's going to govern as a centrist. What the fuck did Joan Walsh expect? I assure you she voted for anyone but Sanders in the primary. And this is what she gets for doing so. Elect a centrist, get a centrist government, then cry when the centrist government does centrist things? Reap what you sow.


brokeassloser

Remember when we were told Biden was the only candidate with a track record of getting things done in D.C.? lol


Deliberate_Dodge

Tell me about it. Now all these folks who spread this narrative are working overtime to gaslight us on social media, and tell us it's *our fault* for Biden's (completely predictable) impotence because we didn't give the Dems a super majority or some shit. Nevermind that *they* were the ones telling us of Biden's supposed ability to "reach across the aisle", or *Biden's* own claim that Republicans would "have an epiphany" and work with him.


nadibsirrah

Chuck knew he didn't have the votes from the start. DC Dems are too used to falling back on "blame Republicans" vs strategic and decisive leadership the leads vs begs or follows,


SadArchon

Liberalism in a nutshell. Start voting for **PROGRESS**ives


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bhellbus

Finding unification on getting rid of the filibuster would be where we would see a difference with 50 progressives. The filibuster needs to be done away with or reformed.


SadArchon

Not sure why you feel its necessary to attack me. Or why you assume I dont know how the senate works. HOWEVER, presumably progressive candidates would vote together, meanwhile DINOS like Manchin and Sinema are to busy doing as the corporate overlords demand to get in line with the party. Got to hand it to the GOP they all get in line when its time to vote


aquarain

The cure is more Democrats.


librl_trls_evrywher

More Progressives\*


aquarain

We don't need to make it harder than it needs to be. Some states are never going to vote for a liberal Democrat. Whoever can do the most good for their constituents is the best we can hope for. Losing well is no help at all.


Polar_Starburst

They will when they see what they get for doing so. I think with the right messaging we can turn most states blue, if we focus on winning over the majority who do not currently vote.


aquarain

GOTV is definitely key.


Polar_Starburst

Oh absolutely, and I will do my part in deep canvassing. I hope and encourage others to do whatever they can to GOTV.


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PataphysicalQuandry

Lol. please say you actually thought people were saying "sike" for the past few decades. What do you think "sike" means?


Yodamort

Knowing that this statement was made unironically is both amusing and infuriating


RichardMuncherIII

But thats literally the answer. 48-0 in favor for Dems, 2-0 in favor for independents, 0-50 for republicans.


Tetsuos_Arm

Electing more centrists Dems just means more Machins and Sinemas. The party needs to be re-built from the ground up for it be an actual oppositional party. It's a bipartisan party, not a party with its own unique ideology.


aquarain

Absolutely. 60 Democrats in the Senate and the current House and President and the government can govern.


Multipoptart

Even 52-53 would probably work. Remove the ability for an individual senator to become the stick in the mud.


aquarain

Every little bit helps.


belletheballbuster

Republicans have made that kind of majority extremely unlikely through devious means.


badluckbrians

Last time that happened Joe Lieberman proved it works great. Face it, take whatever the Dem count is, and subtract every centrist. That's the real number you have.


RichardMuncherIII

Or a few extra progressive Dems to put pressure on the centralist.


1stepklosr

How'd that work out for us in 2008? A conservative Dem held up everything, caused way more concessions to be given to the GOP and for Dems to have absolutely historic losses in the following election. Maybe we should be looking at more than just electing Democrats as an answer.


latenightbananaparty

Yeah it just makes it more infuriating, knowing the reason we can't quite get there is that 1/5th of the dems hate democracy and don't want it to pass, and are just doing this as political theater. So we need more dems, because there's only maybe 37 legit ones in office in the senate, 2 independents, and 11 DINOs that need to be replaced with progressives. It's a high jump, but the bar is literally welded to the fucking ceiling to ensure we don't win. but we already have a huge fucking majority of the population in support of this, and theoretically represented. I hope there are mass riots over it. By all rights, there should be, but I'm not holding my breath.


Multipoptart

> knowing the reason we can't quite get there is that 1/5th of the dems hate democracy and don't want it to pass See it's rhetoric like that which makes "centrists" just tune you out and ignore you. The filibuster is the only thing keeping the Democratic Party alive right now. The Senate is so hopelessly skewed towards the Republican Party that if the Democrats remove the filibuster, I guarantee you they and you will regret it in the very near future. Then literally nothing will stop the Republican Party from destroying this country. Those "1/5th" of Dems that support the filibuster realise this. They're not against voting rights, they're thinking longer term than you. Remove the filibuster and there's nothing stopping the Republican party.


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GhostofMarat

I'm still not sure if it was made unironically


rise2vibe

It's also math.


aquarain

They don't believe in math and science. Only stories. The "liberal arts".


belletheballbuster

Uh... mathematics is one of the liberal arts, Champ


Multipoptart

So is it your opinion that more Republicans would get you a voting rights bill?


Yodamort

Of course not lmao Republicans are fascist asshats


Multipoptart

But you're claiming that it's infuriating that the OP wants more Democrats. So... obviously you want more Republicans.


librl_trls_evrywher

I'll take false dichotomy for 500 Alex


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Yodamort

Of course not lmao Republicans are fascist asshats


SyntheticLife

Apparently


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RichardMuncherIII

The fillibuster is a Senate rule and Senate rules can be changed by a simple majority.


preston181

And we lack that simple majority, because 2 of our Democratic Senators, Manchin and Sinema, may as well be Republicans. Edit: I just wanted to add a couple of things. 1. Hilarious username. 2. I find it a sign of the times that a Canadian is explaining how the US government works to people.


HauntingJackfruit

Republicans had a larger majority then what the dems have now, but I hear your frustration...it's maddening. Plus republicans stand together no matter while democrats are like herding cats...also maddening, but comes with the territory of not being a republican


GhostofMarat

Democrats are just as beholden to corporate donors as Republicans. The filibuster allows them to tell us "we would *love* to enact all these wildly popular progressive ideas, but these darn Senate rules keep getting in the way" without any risk of ever having to actually pass anything.


nadibsirrah

Also keep in mind the GOP felt comfortable nuking SCOTUS filibuster in 2017 because in November 2013, Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid used the rule change procedure to eliminate the 60-vote rule for presidential nominations. So if we nuke the filibuster again, this time to get an agenda passed the likelihood of the GOP following suit is increased. The voting rights bill can be challenged in court (aka the red judicial wall) with high chances of rulings that set precedent. Another thing many Dems aren't factoring in is the continued rise of maga and that the next majority will have a higher maga influence.


JohnMullowneyTax

What is the so called Senate leadership doing? Dems have 50 votes but are still being led around by the nose by Mitch McConnell


Tetsuos_Arm

Democrats elected a centrist government. This is what centrists do.


Multipoptart

> Democrats elected a centrist government. What does this even mean? The vast majority of Americans are Centrist and you're blaming Democrats for that the fact that they represent the people?


Tetsuos_Arm

>The vast majority of Americans are Centrist No, they aren't.


latenightbananaparty

They are are they? The majority of americans sure as shit don't believe in any "centrist" policy.


badluckbrians

Centrists used to have policies. Now they just obstruct everything and anything.


LowestKey

Yeah, 50 votes is enough to seat judges and pass 1-2 bills related to taxation per year at most. You need 60 in the US senate to get anything real done. Or you need 50 people onboard with killing the filibuster, which democrats don't have. 2 more democrats and the Jim Crow filibuster would be gone.


What_Up_Doe_

Yes


ABinturong

With the terrorist party working against them, probably.


Available_Coyote897

Yes. DC is broken. Stop looking to it for solutions. Just fucking stop.