By - Anon_kell
I hate to say this, but the team is awesome except Salazzle. Your team doesn’t struggle much with the Yalu’s or clefable, and even then salazze isn’t the best into them. I would recommend either a hazard setter, pivot(I hate to suggest lando but it’s just good ;-:). Honestly what might be fun it’s a fully special lando Y with rocks! It gets good coverage and that sludge wave will ROCK common switch ins.
I do thank you for the suggestion and I know it puts me at a disadvantage but I don’t really like running hazards because I normally just defog as soon as my opponent uses hazards
You could change your defog around and change it to a rapid spin on shuckle because he tanky as fuck
Shuckle doesn’t get rapid spin, so yeah, unfortunately that’s not possible
salazzle is gimmicky, otherwise it looks decent enough
you insta lose to zardY though. id replace salazzle with a mon that can rocks, like garchomp. garchomp also helps w the zardy matchup (and volc, but you have jet on shifu)
Well that’s a bummer because I love Salazzle but i definitely get her in the least. I do get beat pretty bad by charizard y often too. Thanks for the input I’ll adjust the team
You’ve got yourself a 3x weakness to Ground and Rock. Your problem piece is Salazzle. What you’re going to want to do now is either replace Salazzle with a Pokémon that resists Ground and Rock types *(Flygon maybe?)*, or focus on coverage moves that are super effective against those types.
Why would you use Flygon what
I explained why in the above post.
Landorus does that and is far better tho
Same for chomp
Garchomp is immune to Ground-type attacks now?
Noh but he take them decently , and he really need an electric type counter, and flygon is unviable in nat dex, gliscor is good option to
According to Smogon stats, Flygon has seen play in high ladder Nat Dex games over the past month.
Not as many as Lando, but I don’t think a high level player would use Flygon if he didn’t serve some sort of role.
According to the last nat dex viability ranking, he's not counted so he's not part of the tier, he's outclassed by other ground in everything
Flygon was used in almost 10,000 Nat Dex OU games at 1760+ in the last month. It’s a fine Pokémon.
Yes, I’m well aware you only like using the same 6 mons on every team, you can stop cyber stalking me now.
A: i literally never said that
B: that's irrelevant
C: how am i cyber stalking you
You implied it
You comment on every post of mine with the same garbage. “Why use that Pokémon” “Why use that Pokémon” “Why use that Pokémon”
Because Pokémon are cool and I don’t give a fuck about the god damn ladder, please leave me alone.
>You implied it
How is it relevant
>You comment on every post of mine with the same garbage. “Why use that Pokémon” “Why use that Pokémon” “Why use that Pokémon”
I'm not searching you out specifically
>Because Pokémon are cool and I don’t give a fuck about the god damn ladder, please leave me alone.
Then don't ask for advice if you don't care, and don't spread misinformaton to players who genuinely want to improve
Flygon sees high ladder play in this format. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
In Natdex? I've never seen it once and it is unranked on the viability rankings. Show me a replay.
I’ve got two flying types and a levitate is that not enough? I do agree I need more rock coverage though
You have 0 defogger and a mega ponder, good luck getting him in more than once, I suggest running voltswitch instead of u turn and defog over Discharge and instead use heavy duty boots
I have rotom wash for defog though is that not good?
Oh dude I completely missed that, well then it’s up to you if you want to or not, you’re still gonna need boots on zapdos, unless you run offensive zap boots are absolutely necessary
Oh alright I’ll switch it then thanks man
Zapdos should be using Heavy Duty Boots
Yeah that seems to be the most common suggestion so I’ll definitely do that thanks
Cool team OP don't listen to the haters I think salazzle is heat as fuck just put defog and boots on the zapdos
At 1100 sure, if he want improve the team you have to be objective if he want a team to have fun than sure he can keep it
Not exactly, any good enough player can use a completely unviable team and still win. It's up to learning how to use that said Pokemon and find ways to support it. Salazzle is definitely not the worst thing OP could be using, especially since it has incredible wallbreaking potential and a really nice speed tier. It's ability, Corrosion also cripples Heatran, literally a Pokemon with one of the highest usage stats in the tier. 1100 is definitely not the highest you could go with this team, hell I can see OP getting to at least 1800 on ladder.
I really doubth on 1800, maybe 1400, yeah you can any game this is not chess you hax your opponent and win, als plaun bad team doesn't improve you pokemon skill, and yes salazzle is very bad he's a meme, and if you beat a bad player ehat the point, i want play vs people with similar skill to mine, like im 1650 on nat dex i don't wanna play vs 1300 just to win with a bad team
1800 is top 50 in nat dex
You don't need to use "hax" to win games with Salazzle? It's unviable in the current metagame, yes, however itself isn't a bad Pokemon. You also greatly overestimate the general skill level of players on ladder, top 50 may seem really cool but it's nothing special really. So many actual good players could care less about ELO because ladder itself is the meme, no one uses proper movesets and Pokemon anymore in ladder due to repetitiveness and just overall boredom of using Landorus-T and Heatran every game.
I said you can beat anyone because of hax, not salazzle need axe every pokemon can be use in ou, and they will do something
Why does Salazzle need hax? It doesn't have any luck based moves.
I just said he doesn't, i said you can beat anyone with hax
Yeah, any battle can be haxed but why was it brought into a conversation about Salazzle?
We was talking originally about 2 thing, 1 salazzle the other that you can win anygame with any team, so i reffered to that
That is only the selfish perception of people.
Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favourites.
Check out some Emvee. He brings crazy ridiculous heat sets to high ladder and wins consistently.
Karen says that to cope with her loss
Alright thanks man that seems to be a pretty common consensus so I’ll definitely do that
huge mpin fan myself, here's what you could do:
first of all, you want defog. one of mpin's biggest weaknesses are the sneaky pebbles, so hazard control is mandatory with no boots to wear. now besides from that, you should pack fast mons that can threaten offensive team similarly to how pin threatens defensive ones. you also ideally want something that can switch in the two mons that check pin the best: koko and zapdos. hazard support would also be neat to net easier KOs with your attacks, either to defensive teams with return or to offensive ones with quick attack. having said this, i'd slot in ferrothorn for spikes support and ability to switch into koko and non-heat wave zapdos. your own zapdos can stay, but i'd rather run defog on it with boots to be able to pivot better on rocks. then you could slot in a rocker like lando-t, which also has u-turn to bring pin safely in, can form a volt-turn core with zapdos, and has overall lots of role compression. i also tried out a mpin team with shifu, but i feel like scarfshifu's better to revenge kill stuff and clean up late-game, while still being able to switch into stuff that threaten pin like weavile. no need for band's wallbreaking capabilities so much since pinsir already screws walls over enough. finally, you could slot in instead of salazzle (which really isn't too good in the meta) something like serperior to threaten rain, glare mons faster the mpin for an easier sweep and exploit bulky waters that might switch in on urshifu.
Gotcha thank you so much for the suggestions man I’ll definitely make these changes
I m not sure if people on this post ever played nat dex
i feel like this team is weak to evrything, like rain and zard y
Since you probably gonna play on the ladder this pokemon are everywhere, and no rotom is not a counter to rain anymore this is not gen 5 greninja 2 hit ko you easily , also you have nothing for mega latias and not much for weawile or any ghost dark type or kyurem
i thinck rotom and salazle has to go, I'm not sure how to fix this team without building a new one, you dont even have a ground type i know hp ice is in the tier,
but still you need one unless some hyper offense stuff
Im not the best player on the tier but at least i can reach 1700 so i know about the tier
Oh alright thanks man
salazzle wouls be great on stall with a good stat distribution, but unfortunately it doesnt fit on a team like this.
realistically speaking, it doesn't do anything better than lando. lando's role compression is why its used so much.