Imagine getting so upset at somebody driving that you decide to take their life. What the fuck is wrong with people?
Side note, this is why I don’t engage with anybody anymore. People have lost their shit.
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Imagine getting so upset at somebody driving that you decide to take their life. What the fuck is wrong with people?
Side note, this is why I don’t engage with anybody anymore. People have lost their shit.
Thankfully the victim is in stable condition, not that it negates your sentiment just didn't want people who didn't read the article thinking the guy died.
Thank you for clarifying, I misread and I’m happy I did.
Your comment has upset me. Wanna fight?
I accept your offer for 1 on 1 combat. We shall duel with pool noodles this Friday at the corner of Federal and E Passyunk at 7am.
I'd come to watch this event and I'm pretty sure this could catch on if people resolved their beefs this way
Will there be rotisserie chicken?
I'll be there, and I'll shoot you both if you hold up traffic.
Yes but only with weapons found in Clue (minus the revolver).
Your comment commenting about a comment has set me off I challenge you to a duel! Edit: wait I think you may have just started a Fight Club
I'm a very avid runner and cyclist and it's really gotten out of hand since COVID. People will almost kill you and then turn around and try and fight you for showing any sort of reaction.
I walked to the grocery store this morning, less than a mile round trip, and twice drivers tried blowing through stop signs when I was either entering or in the middle of a crosswalk. One yelled out of his window to "Get out the way f****t"
Yeah, par for the course
I mean, idk how the driver “accidentally tapped the rear end” of the motorcycle. It doesn’t justify a shooting, but making any contact with a bike at high speeds could cause a deadly accident for its rider. I have a feeling there’s more to the story.
Who said it was high speeds? There is traffic on 95 every day. It’s totally mundane for cars that are stuck in traffic to accidentally rear end someone at low speeds. Lots of times there’s no damage. It happens everyday.
>I mean, idk how the driver “accidentally tapped the rear end” of the motorcycle. It doesn’t justify a shooting, but making any contact with a bike at high speeds could cause a deadly accident for its rider. **I have a feeling there’s more to the story.**
What kind of details would you want to know?
Well, in 15 years of driving I've never "accidentally tapped" a motorcycle, have you?
I want to know how this happened - was the driver antagonizing the motorcyclist first? Were they simply not paying attention at all? Were they traveling at high speeds or in standstill traffic?
>Well, in 15 years of driving I've never "accidentally tapped" a motorcycle, have you?
No, I haven't
>I want to know how this happened - was the driver antagonizing the motorcyclist first? Were they simply not paying attention at all? Were they traveling at high speeds or in standstill traffic?
Let's assume he was doing all of those things. What difference does that make?
I'm not attempting to be combative or intentionally obtuse, but I'm not seeing your point. Why wouldn't I want to know that? As I initially said and shouldn't have to repeat, obviously shooting someone isn't justifiable regardless. But it makes a difference to me if it was as simple as an accidental tap while slowly moving forward in a traffic jam, or if it was intentional contact made while driving at a high rate of speed, antagonizing and endangering the motorcyclist. Those are two entirely different situations, the latter one most of us would probably never be in.
I pretty much assume anyone on a motorcycle, atv, or dirt bike is carrying in Philly. I’ve seen a handgun on a dude on a motorcycle has his shirt flaps in the wind quite a few times
I've seen a dude on a motorcycle with a samurai sword on his back riding over the Penrose bridge.
*There can be only one.*
LOLed at this, thank you sir or madam.
I upv’d but dayem that ain’t right
Okay that's kind of sick actually
Yeah, but that's way more respectable than a gun
I think it’s a good practice to assume every single person carries.
I pretty much do.
If you know anyone who has a
>white sport-style motorcycle that was headed northbound on I-95 near the Walt Whitman Bridge exit at about 8 p.m. on Sunday,
>traveling with a fellow rider, who police said, was riding a black and green motorcycle,
please contact the Pennsylvania State Police at 215-452-5280.
Anyone remembers when road rage was venting your frustration by honking, maybe aggressive lane cutting? Now it’s straight up Mad Max.
GTA is real life now
The term road rage was literally invented (in LA almost 40 years ago) to describe a string of shootings over highway traffic disputes.
> The term road rage was literally invented (in LA almost 40 years ago) to describe a string of shootings over highway traffic disputes.
People have short memories.
I took driver's ed back in the early aughts and the instructor there told us about [this road rage incident](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-11-10-9511110175-story.html) from 1995 involving a ~~priest~~ deacon who murdered another motorist with a crossbow.
Road rage is unfortunate and upsetting, but new it is not.
I didn't know that! It must have been watered down but maybe, sadly, it's coming back to the original meaning
Was it not the crossbow guy??
Def misread your comment as “maybe aggressive LAWN cutting” and I just want to say I am HERE FOR IT. Get on that John Deer and show that grass who has the right of way!
Many years ago I had a neighbor call the police, claiming i cut an inch into her lawn while cutting mine; the police reaction was priceless
An update for what happened on I-95 last night for anyone wondering.
"Accidentally tapped the rear end"
Considering the motorcyclist didn't fall off it couldn't have been that bad, but yeah that's a red flag for needing more context. Not that dumping a mag into the guys car is a valid or justified reaction.
Oh. Definitely not.
They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for that act.
But I'm guessing there is more to the story here. If it were at full speed, thats attempted murder on the part of the pickup as well.
I know that stretch of road like the back of my hand. Its a gauntlet of insane driving which is exacerbated by slow drivers in the left lane by the stadiums.
You just mentioned all of the slow drivers, yet think that the truck was able to go "full speed"? Not saying there isn't more to the story, but this isn't a situation where someone rammed into someone else purposefully. It sounds more like a tap in bumper to bumper traffic due to not paying close attention and potentially worn brakes too
Either lane splitting or brake checking?
Could be a pick up truck getting upset someone was getting in front of them.
I've never "accidentally tapped the rear end" of anyone on 95.
Given we don't have the motorcycle's version of events (their behavior was criminal and they should be prosecuted), I'm assuming we have a HEAVILY watered down version of what occurred. If the "accidental" tap was in fact intetional, we have two morons that deserve assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder charges.
If a car hits a motorcycle on a highway and it doesn’t knock the rider off i have a hard time believing it was intentional.
I don't know either way.
But "accidentally tapping the rear end" is not something I've done in 15 years of living in the city.
We have one version of events here. The gunmen should be prosectured to the fullest extent of the law. If what the pickup did was intentional, they should be prosecuted too.
> If what the pickup did was intentional, they should be prosecuted too.
Intentional or not, you can’t hit someone with your car and have no one at least get a ticket. Either the motorcyclist broke the law or the driver did. Whichever of them it was deserves a ticket at the very least.
I personally find it difficult to believe anyone is completely innocent in any road rage incident.
I would personally wait for the facts to fully come out, but I am skeptical of "accidentally tapped".
Yeah that line gave me a good laugh. Not a chance in hell that’s the whole story.
Definitely sounds like a rosy version of events.
One of them did enough to deserve a ticket, but a ticket isn't necessary. If they had been mature enough to handle this situation like adults, then they could've come to an agreement without violence or police involvement
Full enforcement of traffic safety laws is absolutely necessary. I don’t want someone who can’t or won’t operate a vehicle or motorcycle safely on the roads because their negligence puts me at risk. A ticket gives them points and is the first step towards suspending their license if they do not reform their behavior. And suspension of licenses should absolutely be the goal for people who repeatedly break the law. The lack of real enforcement is a huge part of the reason why there is so much dangerous and aggressive driving.
Really? I think it’s the opposite. If a car hits a motorcycle and doesnt knock a rider off it probably is intentional. An accident would be “oh
Sorry didn’t see you so I plowed into you and knocked you off”. An intentional act would be “I’m just gonna give this asshole a little tap to scare him”
The difference in the amount of force needed to hit someone and knock them off vs not knock them off is so slight it seems it would have to be intentional.
Yeah maybe if Ken Block is driving he’d have enough control of the car to tap a motorcycle on the highway in a way that wouldn’t destroy the guy. I’ve seen enough people on these “sport bikes” in traffic weaving between cars to think it’s probably that
Yep. I ride a cruiser. Cats on Ninjas ride like absolute maniacs on the highway, I can almost guarantee this was a lane split into lane change situation, I see that maneuver every day.
So you agree that it takes a ton of control to hit a motorcycle and not knock the rider off but still think it wasn’t intentional?
🤦♂️ it was probably in slow moving traffic with the sport bikes driving between cars like idiots like they always. The whole point is that it was almost impossible that this happens at full highway speed considering the guy got 13 hits on a car. That’s not likely at 70 mph.
So it would be even easier to just tap a motorcycle in slow moving traffic, right?
Seems like you are making a lot of assumptions to fit your narrative but ok. Especially since the dude is admitting he "accidentally tapped" the rear of the motorcycle. That doesnt sound like weaving in and out of traffic like you said.
Fit my narrative.. so what’s the narrative where a car chases down a guy on a sport bike and gently taps his rear at 70mph and then the rider fires 13 shots into the car from beside the car and flees yet the rider is justified in doing so
Brake checking is not a thing when you are on a motorcycle. Period.
Zero reliable narrators here
Yeah shooting somebody over a road rage incident is awful, but as a bicycle rider, somebody touching you with their vehicle can be an act of violence. I've had times when people have weaponized their vehicle against me. People seem to forget how massive and powerful their vehicles are, especially compared to a motorcycle/vehicle without a cabin. Maybe it was accidental, an investigation will hopefully bring the truth to light.
Ultimately it doesnt matter if it is an "accidental tap", if you hit someone in the rear, you typically didn't give yourself safe clearance to begin with.
Unless you were cut off.
I think most people hear "motorcycle" and "pickup" and think "that must have been two idiots".
But firing a weapon is criminal and should be treated as such.
Although that dickhead in Florida who cut someone off, brake checked them and then fired his him aa they drove by just got cleared. Luckily Pennsylvania is a slightly more sane jurisdiction.
gave 'em a right good spanking
"Officer, I barely hit him!"
You really can’t even engage or honk or anything on the roads anymore. I’ve been out in New Mexico for the last year for work and there are so many road rage related shootings and incidents (wife gets to do all the autopsies). My favorite recently was “I got honked at for cutting someone off so I decided to shoot a warning shot at them” that just happened to hit the driver who honked at him in the face killing him. They couldn’t comprehend what they did wrong.
Again, thoughts and prayers
Have we tired larger guns and rocket launchers yet?
Only a good guy with a rocket launcher can stop a bad guy with a rocket launcher..
I'm just going to purchase a technical truck. I'm sure the Philly cops don't mind
I'm still waiting for the NRA to back me up in my fight to own a javelin missile launcher. The Constitution doesn't say I can't, therefore it's iNfr1nG3meNt.
The RPG lobby isn't as strong as the NRA :(
Which is kinda bs. The founders only knew of muskets in the 1700s, and gun owners take that as meaning any firearms, but I try to bring my RPG out for a walk and I just get glares. Not cool!
Clearly the only solution is to make sure more people have guns.
A driver taps me, so I use my borne arms to shoot into his car 17x. It's what the founding fathers intended.
FUN FACT: Aaron Burr shot Alexander Hamilton after Hamilton accidentally tapped Burr's carriage on the NJ Turnpike outside of Weehawken.
Who is so careless on the road, especially I-95, that they “accidentally tap” the back of a motorcycle? That could’ve been deadly for the rider. That said, there’s absolutely NO excuse to shoot at someone. Sounds like both are assholes, but the asshole with the gun is the bigger asshole.
Sadly I’ve observed a third of all drivers on their phones on the highway. It’s crazy.
If you ever want to do the math on percent of drivers on their phone just stand on the Ben Franklin pedestrian walkway and look down at the cars.
And thats while driving over a bridge lol
A third? I took a bus up to NY recently and was watching the cars passing by. Almost every single driver has a phone in their hand
People on motorcycles cut super close to cars all the time weaving between the lanes. I’d say it’s more likely that a guy who dumped a mag into a car was probably riding like an idiot to begin with
You might be right, but every time I ride my motorcycle there’s always at least one instance of someone tailgating me, driving in my part of the lane or some other form of putting my life at greater risk. Since neither of us was there, it’s reasonable to assume the gunman just dealt with one too many close calls, which obviously is not at all an excuse. I guess my point is I wish nonchalantly risking other people’s lives behind the wheel occurred less often
It’s not reasonable to assume that a guy would unload his gun into a car for any reason..
We can agree the guy was not reasonable. I’m just raising awareness that Philly drivers have a tendency to - how do I put this - not fully comprehend just how dangerous a car is to other people.
Yeah the car driver was asking for it amirite
Can’t this just be a regular interaction? I never said or implied that
You’re straight up defending a guy who shot into a car 13 times and then fled..
I don't know what traffic was like at the time, but if it was bumper-to-bumper stop-and-go, with motorcyclists trying to cut in aggressively between cars, then it doesn't seem *super* far-fetched to me that someone got bumped. Happens all the time on 76. Whenever I'm in that situation and I *do* maintain a reasonable following distance, some asshole will nose in front of me (further contributing to the slowdown, of course) because they think that constantly changing lanes is going to somehow get them to their destination faster.
Some motorcyclists drive like it's a big race, weaving in and out of traffic... They seem to think people in cars are the ones with the issue. It's scary
How is that your first thought bro lol. People get in accidents all the time for many different reasons. Just cause you take a larger risk by riding a bike on a major highway doesn’t mean you get to just unload on someone over a fender bender.
Theoretically, would it be considered justified if you swerved into someone after they pulled up next to you on a bike pointing a gun?
Absolutely. Lethal force met with lethal force. I’m guessing the guy started shooting before the driver had a chance to do anything like that though.
I was gonna take this road yesterday after I finished doordashing. Glad I chose to take the long way home
Pretty soon the GQP fever dream will need to come true… every one with a gun. Wild West out here.
I was listening to news about shootings in an entertainment district in Columbus Ohio and that the city enactes some minor gun control - but the Republican state legislature pre-empted that. No Ohio cities can pass gun control. And it just occurred to me that R legislators are actively working to turn cities into ungovernable spaces for some political end. Convince me I'm wrong.
This is true for Philadelphia too. The city can’t have their own gun laws either. We are beholden to our state reps who are in the pocket of the NRA.
Columbus had 2 shootings relatively close downtown and shut down that area for almost a day investigating. Their crime is up but nothing like here.
The Ohio legislature is bonkers but at least they have transit in Columbus that is locally run as opposed to SEPTA's weird ass structure.
bro where do you even store a gun when you're on a sport bike? a fucking holster?
"accidently tapped" the rear-end of a white sport-style motorcycle. Why you have your car that close to a motorcycle
Maybe the bike cut him off at close range
If we're opening the 'ban gun' laws discussion, let this be another example of how almost every shooting involves pistols, not AR15s or hunting rifles. If you want to actually reduce gun violence then crack down on those, not the ones used to shoot animals.
When you have people demanding the government ban 'rambo style' fully automatic weapons, the response is "they did that nearly a century ago" because almost all gun deaths are done with handguns with low magazines, because that's what you can easily fit in a glovebox or pocket. Most drug dealing idiots would have no clue how to maintain a decent rifle, nor could may afford them anyway
That argument isn’t about what causes the highest frequency of shootings, it’s about the amount of people who can be killed in one shooting. Im not arguing for or against that perspective, but you’re strawmanning a little.
yes, and out of over 500 homicides last year and hundreds more additional non-fatal shootings, they were almost entirely pistols. That includes mass shootings too, where one gunman took out more than 2 or 3 people.
If you take US gun statistics and remove "drug dealers shooting other drug dealers with a pistol" then the US has some of the lowest gun crime statistics in the world.
look dude, I don't feel like getting into it with you; I have a conceal permit and own multiple firearms. But if you want to "take US gun statistics" then you should recognize and admit there's a direct correlation in gun homicide rate in this country relative to when the assault weapons ban expired. Shit needs to change.
Just saying, people are horrified when we hear about shootings where dozens of people are shot by one person. I don’t think most people have a feasible solution, but it makes sense that people are disturbed by that.
About half of gun deaths are suicides. A huge number are domestic violence. Most of the rest are collateral damage of the drug trade. Columbine style mass shootings kill a vanishingly small percentage of the total.
This is not to dismiss the fear people feel over this one, specific kind of shooting. To the contrary, I think we all should be very concerned about Columbine-style shootings. And we should be proportionally more afraid of ourselves or someone we know getting depressed one day and using a handgun bought for self defense in a suicide attempt. Or of our significant other shooting us in a fit of rage. Or of our kid accidentally discharging a carelessly stored gun at a friend’s house. Or of getting caught in the crossfire of a drug beef. Because school shootings are scary, but all those other things are so much scarier once you realize how much more common they are.
Guns being everywhere is fucking terrifying.
Virginia tech was a guy with 2 handguns.
Two different arguments. Assault-style rifles account for almost 90% of people killed in the US is mass shootings.
Except that almost every gun death in America is either a single or double homicide, or suicide which is over half the deaths. That last one is insane, given that Philly had over 1700 shootings last year, that at a national level all those gang shootings are more than outweighed by single people ending it in a room by themselves
If you want to go after "people dead due to guns" then doing it by attacking rifles is a an incredibly difficulty and ineffective way of doing it.
You're completely missing the point...deliberately, I think
Wrong pistols are used the most https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/
The blank statement on the top of the website sites no actual facts to back it up. They talk about “studies suggest and “may prevent” which notes back to other articles.
I don't think I've ever seen a call to ban hunting rifles, though I might be wrong. I do agree about the pistols though, but I believe it's more economics that they have the cheapest guns, which are small magazine pistols.
That said, if you were hunting with an ar-15, good lord
Edit: added the word small
yeah AR-15's or really any .223 is not ideal for hunting deer, it's too small of a caliber. That's why people dont really hunt with it.
AR-10 in .308 is ideal
yeah 223 is basically for vermin. it's not large enough for deer.
It’s kind of funny that AR-15 are too weak to hunt deer but also too powerful for self defense
Children are a lot smaller than deer, plenty powerful for them.
People don’t need to shoot children in self defense
"need" has never stopped anyone before
Every single 'ban guns' flyer or posting I've ever seen mentions a ban on AR15s or a picture of one, despite it not being used in the the \~600 shootings last year
AR-10 is basically the same just bigger