Company of Heroes 3 - Announce Trailer
By - dorkmax_executives
You can download the playable pre-alpha demo from their website to try it already.
Got so confused wondering what the fuck this is... Turns out this is not Battlefield: Bad Company 3!
I tried it, it wasn't really that interesting.
The turn based mechanic wasn't really game changing
tutorial was bugged as fuck, couldn't even get past it
but it's still a pre-alpha after all
Is it an actual RTS or another wannabe MOBA?
It's a mix of turn based strategy and RTS skimishes. It's an interesting idea and at least different from COH2, but it's hard to tell from the alpha how fleshed out the TBS portion will be. The RTS skimishes played a lot like COH2.
I only tried for 20minutes though, so I didn't explore either mode too deeply.
That seems pretty good on the surface, a bit like Dark Crusade.
All depends on the RTS for me though. If it's another small scale microfest with a handful of units I sleep, if it's a chaotic armchair general with hundreds of units they have my attention.
From the gameplay trailer it looks much like the previous games, with a decent number of units, capture points and base building.
The previous games are very different and a lot of people who enjoyed 1 didn't enjoy 2.
To be honest, I can only speak for 1, I never played 2. It looks a lot like #1 to me, though of course you can only glean so much info from a trailer.
Wow I did not expect that
a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
A VERY welcome one if this means Relic is getting back into it's stride.
There is a [gameplay trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrfhmDtGPrk) here
Edit: Just played the alpha for one hour or so, i am not even a rts player at heart but i had lots of fun with it, the turn based part was interesting and the rts battles had some kind of dynamic objectives.
Worth downloading imo (15Go) as the alpha is [accessible](https://community.companyofheroes.com/) right now to anyone with a steam account. Also it looks and feels much better than in the gameplay video.
Saw a map over viewing Italy in this trailer, so it may have a more complex level of map campaign like the Ardennes Assault or even Eternal Crusade. I like the idea but in reality they may just be skirmishes. I'm not hating on it but it does need depth to it to justify the price they'll be asking for it.
Ardennes Assault was a good idea but way too simplistic in execution imo.
It's far more complex. Some are skirmishes, some are campaign set piece battles. Get the alpha and try it
Is it me or does it look really clean and sterile - CoH 1 and especially 2 had a really grimy, lived-in feel to them.
>Is it me or does it look really clean and sterile
Its possible its cleaned for the trailers at this time. Kind of like a Total War and Blood DLC type deal.
Tbh who knows. This is apparently not final design so it could change quite a bit.
Oh yeah it does. Compare it to this. https://store.steampowered.com/app/400750/Call_to_Arms__Gates_of_Hell_Ostfront/
Is that any good?
Men of War is my all time favourite RTS, but im on a short budget due to moving cross country and it feels like it could be low content.
Edit: Who downvoted this? For what reason? Fight me you cardboard sucker.
It's bloody awesome mate.
I bought it. It's indeed awesome!
hmmm is it just me or does this look janky and dated.
Doesn't look like the engine has been improved much since 2. I like the brighter art style though.
CoH2 is still a pretty good looking game by todays graphics standards. If you feel like this doesn't look like "modern" RTS graphics, then what is your idea of what RTS DOES have "modern" graphics? What exactly are you comparing this to?
I completely agree that COH2 was a great looking game when it came up, and that it still holds up today. I would say the
same about COH.
However I don't think it's too bold of me to expect a new entry in the series to look better than it's predicessor from nearly a decade ago.
The only other RTS I've played since COH2 was AOE2, so I looked through the RTS category on Steam for some examples of what upcoming and recently released RTSs look like
[Iron Harvest looked more modern](https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/826630/ss_c1f78f1bd6235ad93e6cef4f29ab5eae9381b4be.jpg?t=1623351983)
[Total Warhammer 3 looks more modern](https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1142710/ss_854d0bf8784b7d38e6e0ea921c8417f33932406f.jpg?t=1624357878)
[Troy: Total War looks more modern](https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1099410/ss_16ee38bc88ec0db58b534343c88eefb8b8c31880.jpg?t=1626178544)
Iron Harvest looks nice but it chugs like a mofo, especially with a lot of action onscreen.
It really doesn't. Looks the same almost.
same coh 1 and coh 2. there wasnt a huge change in the graphics.
Nah I remembered coh1 and coh2 being amazing for when they came out...my shitty Radeon couldn't handle CoH1
I meant the leap from COH 1 and COH 2 was super minor. It was focused on gameplay changes.
How many years were between 1 and 2...how many years were between 2 and 3?
They've definitely reused a lot of icons & symbols from CoH2 although these are probably placeholders for the alpha.
The animations look super jank.
It looks super janky. They should not have shown it in this state. I deeply hope they intend to make big, big improvements over the next year, because nothing in this trailer looks ready - animations, textures, physics, lighting - everything looks 10 years old.
I played the pre alpha and most of the animations are still missing and almost every icon is a place holder, however the movement of the units and their behavior look and felt really good during the skirmish match, much better than coh 2.
The effects are far better as well, fire, explosions, collapsing buildings already look great during gameplay, the maps are detailed and indeed offer verticality.
I was sceptical during the stream but playing it really convinced me immediately, shame having to go back to coh2 afterwards.
It’s clearly an alpha state. They’re showing it now to drum up hype and players.
I don’t get gamers and the complaints of alpha gameplay. If this was a launch trailer and it looked like this, yeah that’s when you complain.
I doubt it will look better, have you seen how incredibly outdated Age of Empires 4 looks? Looks worse than Age of Empires 3.
I don’t know what’s happening with Relic.
Yeah AoE4 looks bloody awful.
This is an RTS/RTT game, they're all gonna look janky. The point is that the mechanics are smooth.
CoH 1 and 2 didn’t look janky at all
yeah they looked like this lol
Does it look worse than COH 2 to you too as well effect wise?
There's way more fidelity with the buildings collapsing and bomb hits but there's a bit of visual inconsistency.
Hard to say. My immediate reaction is it looks like CoH2 with more jank. But we do have a tendency to forget how bad older games looked, and I haven't booted up CoH2 for at least a year.
COH2 looks way better, playing recently with some friends.
This is pre-alpha, so* HOPEFULLY* it will be updated.
Looks worse, just like AoE 4 looks way worse than AoE 3.
You can see the 2D sprites from the explosions that hurts ... Especially after Steel Division.
It's In alpha, they have stated that, so the criticism is a bit flaccid.
>I deeply hope they intend to make big, big improvements over the next year
It looks ancient.
So is it like Total War Warhammer?
Yeah looks like it takes some inspirations from it, the campaign map is turn based, and also during the rts battles there is an "advanced" pause system that let you give orders and it shows what is being queued and where each or your units will go.
That's a surprise that came out of nowhere. Hopefully it's as good as if not better than COH2.
I'm fairly excited for this to come out, I've got all the others too. I loved CoH 2 but I sucked once the enemy had endless vehicles. I'm a lover of land troops and artillery.
I loved coh 2 but online games took way longer to complete than coh 1. I hope they make games a little in tune with coh 1 VP drain.
I fucking love the infantry in those games. Setting up MGs at choke points, finding that perfect building, and that feel when a grenade or mortar shell is spot on target… oh, what a feeling it is.
Coh2 was great when it came to the gameplay, but was ruined by the garbage menus, matchmaking, performance, and most of all, the microtransactions being in every corner of the game.
My expectations for coh3 are quite low.
It was a big downgrade from CoH1 IMO.
Relic always seemed to be scaling back instead of scaling up.
I could never get into COH2 compared to COH1, it just felt....less to me
Damn. I’m liking how we’re getting much loved RTS franchises getting new additions or remasters in the last few years.
Honestly I think this looks a hell of a lot better than AOE4 from what I've seen (which *is* limited)
I hope the campaign is as good as COH1
Well this is a pleasant surprise, thought the series is dead. Now only if a good sequel to World in Conflict is in works, that will make me happy :)
Honestly, I'll reserve judgement until the game comes out.
In the meantime, anyone who hasn't played men of war (the original campaign) should give it a go. In my opinion it surpassed CoH, although it is a bit clunky and micro heavy compared to CoH.
I'm really enjoying it's successor's campaign, Gates of Hell, Ostfront, which is the same game more or less with significant tweaks.
Love COH1 but can't get into COH2.
Same... they are very different and I loved COH1
Whoa this is unexpected
OH YESSS!! WTF?!
My body is ready!
Cautiously optimistic. Company of Heroes 2 was a big disappointment at launch for multiple reasons including insane levels of microtransactions. Dawn of War 3 was a disaster. The art style looks too cartoonish imo and WAY too clean (same problem as Age of Empires 4) and the graphics don't look much better than Company of Heroes 2.
Compare this footage to the recently released Call to Arms - Gates of Hell: Ostfront which looks way better imo, at least visually.
They’ve spent about 3 years consulting with a group of community pro players, receiving feedback in a lot of areas.
This is by and large how they’d succeeded in keeping CoH2 relevant via balance patches that just keep making the game better.
I’d have to say I’m quietly confident this game won’t suck for that reason.
This is the era of client-centric product offerings in many ways, and I’m glad to see Sega/Relic getting that and understanding the players and what they want.
I hate how every RTS has to be a sport.
Thank fuck that hasn't happened to Total War yet
Good game balance is good for everyone, not just pro players.
Try playing good players with shit rules and good players with good rules.
You'll lose both games, but in the former you'll get stomped while in the latter you'll still lose but actually have a fighting chance.
Source: competed in Halo tournaments and literally saw young players cry when they didn't get a single kill due to shitty unbalanced rules setup by the tournament hosts.
Yeah in principle I agree.
In practice it makes many developers extremely conservative and severely inhibits creativity.
You can't do weird or experimental things because people who play games like they are a job get upset.
Your art and effects can't be messy or chaotic because spectators need to follow the action.
CoH1 was an extremely immersive game that nailed the chaos and messiness of war. Every RTS Relic has made since hasn't gotten close because they want to make spectator sports, not immersive wargames.
> In practice it makes many developers extremely conservative and severely inhibits creativity.
> You can't do weird or experimental things because people who play games like they are a job get upset.
I'm afraid that ship sailed long ago. You're not going to find anything weird or experimental outside of the indie scene ever since games became big business.
Confused Kojima noises
Not sure what you're trying to say here.
And yet, it was still balanced over and over again through iterative patches. I remember because I was there when it happened haha.
If you're going to criticise balancing asymmetric factions please have an argument that makes sense.
I'm not criticising balancing, I'm criticising incorporating balance at such an early stage, before they've even tried to explore what's actually fun.
Make a fun game first, then balance it.
You continue to make zero sense man.
My original comment was that they’ve consulted a core of dedicated players for advice around how to approach a new CoH game. This isn’t just balance related.
Please go play the pre-alpha and see if you like it. If you don’t just continue to bitch and moan about nothing on the internet.
You said "pro players" (read your own comments?) aka "people who think a game should be a job"
It's weird you're so defensive about this
Will never happen with Total War IMO, they already tried making it a esport/competitive thing and it failed thankfully.
I wish AoE4 had this art style, they took this and turned it up to 11 for AoE4
Just checked out gameplay of Gates of Hell, graphics don't look better, get your eyes checked.
Between this and TW: Warhammer 2 DLC releasing today I’m not sure what to do with myself. This is so exciting.
CoH3 review is up for 3 weeks, so I would TW DLC
Company of DLCs 3.
Fair to say that after COH2. But the end result was a pretty good game. Just too much in your face to spend 2-10$ every month or every quarter or whatever for the next commander, the next dlc etc etc.
I hated it too but at the end of the day its still my fave RTS since.... god I dont know when.
Hopefully it doesn't have pay-to-win mechanics like CoH2 did.
It was heavily monetized but not P2W IMO.
Literally P2W because some commanders were downright better than anything available for free.
I'm old fart and a filthy casual.
I loved COH2, it was not too quick, so I could keep up in multiplayer.
Coh 2 was amazing, but after what relic did with dawn of war 3 I'm certainly going for a wait and see approach before getting excited.
From what I can tell in the Alpha, this is pretty similar to CoH2 in terms of skirmish battles. The campaign looks pretty cool, as well.
Men of War Assault Squad 2 fans are looking for pitchforks.
true, Mowas2 is lowkey the most underrated strategy game there is.
MoW AS2 was by far the better MP experience, but the original Men of War has an excellent campaign that I suggest anyone who likes RTS try. To me, it is the better of CoH in mechanics and gameplay.
I agree. I wish it was more popular than starcraft though.
Age of empires would like to have a word with you.
yeah there is a reason why aoe2 is still rocking and selling new copies.
Hail Mary call there considering BW and SC2 exists. Game is so fucking full of RNG it never 'took off' the same.
God, I used to be so good at RTS games back in the Rise of Nations days, but now, I just completely suck at them. Still might have to give this one a shot though someday.
Company of Heroes is kinda in a different vein from those old school RTS games. It's less about macro blobbing (most of the time, anyway) and more about fine tactics. Positioning units in cover, setting up weapon teams to face the right direction, flanking, cover-destruction, suppression, etc.
Relic has surprised me negatively a lot over their last releases…
Between Dawn of War 3, Age of Empires 4 looking worse than AoE 3 and now this… I’m not too optimistic. Makes me wonder if their teams or executives changed?
Most of the original Relic employees are probably long gone I would guess.
Age of empire 4 looking worse ? Wtf are you saying. The large difference between faction seems good.
He meant the graphics, its utter trash for 2021 AAA rts game, indies from 5 years ago look better
Make a game without a ton of awful tiny DLC packs.
Personally, I believe Men of War topped it, and I'm amazed it's not more popular.
MoW is a bit janky and unpolished. Still great, but CoH2 is a substantially more polished game then Assault Squad 2.
Bruh have you been keeping up the account you made as a throwaway joke this whole time?
Gameplay trailer also looks okay
I remember playing COH1 so much in middle school with my friends, then playing COH2 in high school. I am so excited for this game!
Just me, or was anyone else still having issues getting COH2 to run properly on a 3090 with 5960X cpu with 32gigs of ram at 4K these days still?
That game is an unoptimized pile of garbage.
Okay, just checking. Bought the ultimate edition at launch running titan XP’s then went SLi 2080ti, then running my 3090 I’m like wtf how much power do you require!?
Yeah it just doesn't take advantage of modern tech so all that power is wasted on CoH2.
Curious to see what major changes they have. CoH 2 has a pretty interesting competitive flow that leads to some really unique gameplay, but there's also a lot of "eh" and flat out bad.
Doesn't look like they're changing much but it's hard to tell.
CoH1 was one of the biggest technical leaps in pc gaming. I replay the campaign every year. 15 years later, this looks exactly the same. I swear modern Relic is just riding the coat tails of a once amazing company.
thats a nice surprise !
good to see RTS making comeback
New RTS hell yeah!
Return of the King
Total War: ~~Easy Company~~ Compagnia Facile
Oh man if they could learn some of the things that make CM Fortress Italy great this would be one hell of a game...
After Dawn of War 3 I am cautious. Relic used to be one of my favorite devs. Now I gotta buy their stuff in deep discount.
Even CoH2 was inferior to the first one IMO, not to mention how horribly planned the DLC and micro transactions were.
I agree but COH2 was not on the level of DOW3 fuckery.
Yeah, COH2 at least had good gameplay. DoW3 was the death of a franchise.
IM CRYING TEARS OF JOY
Here’s my pitch for the DLC
Company of Heroes 3: Come and See
Take my money
Considering Relic just totally butchered the Dawn of War series with a shite moba-lite entry which they promptly abandoned after promising years worth of support I won't be holding my breath.
CoH3 probably still got nothing on Men of War 2. But that Call to Arms: Gates of Hell DLC proper scratches that RTS WW2 itch. Loved the first CoH then someone showed me Men of War 2 loved it so much that when CoH2 came out I played it half an hour and just couldn't hack the arcadeyness to it.
[The soldier in the left fired his weapon on the ground while walking. I don't know why but I just couldn't stop laughing.](https://youtu.be/mrfhmDtGPrk?t=58)
it looks so bad
THAT ENDING. [HOLY SHIT. DID YOU SEE THAT ENDING.](https://i.redd.it/p04eh6o2i1b71.png)
That was Rommel's cap! And his Leica III camera! And a map of North Africa with Tobruk circled! And the radio was saying "Reinforcements have arrived, Field Marshal Rommel." Are they actually teasing a campaign where you play as Rommel?!
I wouldn't be surprised to see a campaign that you play as Rommel in North Africa, followed by the invasion of Italy from the perspective of the British.
I'd be interested to see in that case who they would blame for Rommel's defeat in the narrative of the game. I would hope it would be true to history, but everyone tends to blame Hitler for everything these days.
What a great trailer.
Well shame on me i bought COH2 on release never played it and now COH3 is coming.
You have a pretty long wait ahead. Why not fire it up? It's still actively played.
When’s the release date!?
Ardennes Assault has a great campaign. It had the beginnings of that dynamic campaign system they're touting for 3.
The gameplay trailer looks pretty bad...
No thanks. CoH2 was the last game Relic made. This new relic has only made DoW3 and the already laughably looking AoE4.
Destroyed the whole town in the process but liberated it from the Nazi scum. Murica
>Destroyed the whole town
yeah one building getting blown up sure looks like the whole down got destroyed
Unfortunate that they chose Denuvo.
The fact people are comparing this trailer to Battlefield Vs is insane 1 lady shows up thats it she was wearing a dress too. The anti woke crowd is getting cancerous.
When I looked at the comments under the video there was a solitary comment talking about the lady showing up as if it was a bad thing.
Of course there are going to be people whinging about things like that but you're blowing this out of proportion.
105000 out of 250000 Italian Resistance members were women.
More than 600 were murdered by the Fascists, more than 2700 deported to concentration camps and over 4600 arrested.
Anybody complaining about women fighters in a WW2 Resistance group is deliberately ignoring history to push a toxic agenda. Women, like men, fought and bled in the War against Fascism.
Not refuting your statement, but where are you getting these numbers from?
Most people aren't complaining about resistance fighters. They're saying that women fought and helped the war effort in certain ways but not as frontline soldiers.
Always have been.
They're abysmal. God help a developer if they have a gay or black character take an important role in a story. Death threats for days.
Game looks interesting. Going to hold off on the hype until I see gameplay though.
You can get the Alpha right now by signing on up their site.
>but i'm not gonna watch gay porn or gay movies or play games with gay characters in main roles.
Made some pretty big leaps here
Nah mate don't you know that if a gay character appears on screen they're obligated to have a 30 minute unskippable sex scene with your Dad?
The dude could win an Olympic Gold medal for mental gymnastics.
I guess this depends what you want to get out of media and stories. Do you enjoy romance stories just to put yourself in the position of the (male) lead character? Then I can see why gay romance wouldn't be for you. Maybe a bunch of other romantic stories too, feature love interests you can't imagine finding attractive.
I can see why that might be especially true in a game, where you are putting yourself in the shoes of the character and you might want your actions to feel natural and genuine to you.
On the other hand, you might enjoy empathising with the characters, discovering lives that are different to yours, getting swept up in *romance* as a thing in itself.
That's surely even more true with other "gay stuff" (whatever exactly that might be).
Big fucking leap when it comes to comparing watching gay porn to playing a video game with a gay character.
I mean, you have to have brain damage or something to link these two things.
Equating playing a game with a gay chacter with watching gay porn is so bizarre. Sounds like you just don't like gay people.
I hate to break it to you but women did exist in the 30's
Most theaters of war. Keyword most. Were they common? No. But they existed. Women have a pretty forgotten and misunderstood part in the war effort that is essentially impossible to portray in a video game unless it’s based on counter intelligence or manufacturing airplane parts..
We are also not discussing battlefield and more the woman seen in the trailer that this thread is about.
Also being a female World War Two soldier is less important to realism for me than being able to fucking parachute out of any plane at any height and survive. It’s all a game.
They are not misunderstood nor forgotten a centimeter, at least in Europe, everyone that's remotely serious about documenting on WW2 knows snipers like Pavlinchenko or *resistante* like Nicole.
Hollywood for decades just fried a lot of conceptions we had about WW2, it's a problem on itself.
The WW2 is documented enough to see it even via anyone's computer tho.
I could not agree more, but history and it’s larger events are almost never viewed by the masses through such an accurate lens.
The average Joe mad about this has had his conception of what war, the people who fight in it, and the sacrifices made essentially developed by people who were never even remotely involved.
It leads to such a wildly inaccurate view of what is historical and what isn’t
Yeah I got your point.
That's why I'm still deeply mad about my country ( France ) not trying to promote what history taught us here, our movies are dated or nowhere near reachable for a worldwide audience, with low budget on top of that.
Why you still got a significantly large number of people actually believing the French were happy to surrender or didn't actually prepare for the war ( a lot of person fall for this, that's horribly tilting ) : [Maginot Line, 1929](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line).
It's part of our fault if average Joe believes this too, we don't even try to balance things out.
We could get awesome side stories to show, but we just don't.
I mean, it could sound very sad to hear but it's now or never to make actual content with the Vets & Civils still alive out there.
Yeah no I'm mad, but then again the state of the movies industry here is not on it's highest so .. we try to live with that.
What are you talking about? The woke SJW mob invented W*men in 2014.
Hate to break it to you bud but:
1. Death threats are never justified for making a video game
2. Gay and Black people served in WW2. It was a *world* war, you might remember. Women served too in many, many capacities. They were soldiers, medics, pilots, snipers etc etc.
It can be egregious in some cases (i,e Battlefield V) but worth threatening to murder someone? Not a chance.
There are various degrees of "historically accurate" as well. Games are always going to abstracted in some form or another.
It's almost like people are already forgetting [MoH Resistance/Underground](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/Medal_of_Honor_-_Underground_Coverart.png) on PS1 ..
Huh, based on the footage they were showing yesterday I expected CoH to focus on North Africa and the Mediterranean but it looks like they're going back to the Normandy landings the first game covered.
I hope this game is much better polished and optimized than CoH 2 was at any rate.
The gameplay trailer they released today shows an Italian beach landing with Allied US and British troops
Oh, true. Just found it. I had only seen the gameplay trailer earlier.
The Salerno and Anzio landings were kind of practice runs for D-Day, so it makes sense they're using the same equipment and tactics.
Has there ever been another video game series that was so good yet so poorly supported by the developer? TELL ME!
I mean, okay. At this point though Relic is starting to wear down my patience. They are sticking to their familiar setting and while it looks like they've evolved their campaign a bit it still feels too narrow in scope. With that and the graphics, it looks like an Expac for CoH2. That isn't bad but it isn't getting me excited as if they were branching out a bit more. But I guess after DoW3 I should be glad they aren't actively sabotaging themselves.
So it’s a mix of turn based and RTS? So exactly like total war lol