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ic2drop

I want to believe it’s more than just that choice. The American people have been lied to pretty directly by higher ups within our government regularly. It’s reaching a point where most people just believe the opposite of what is said to them. It’s a “boy who cried” wolf situation. Too many times elected officials have made outlandish claims which turned out to be false. As a result, they could come out tomorrow and say, truthfully and earnestly, almost anything… and it would be met with doubt, skepticism, or flat out denial. What’s worse, is that the nuance of the situation is being lost behind the screaming masses on either side. In the same way that a bad guy isn’t entirely bad, or a good person morally pure, the elected officials aren’t flatly in one category. The difference with the vaccine is now people are being told to Trust a science they don’t understand, while not believing the science that is being presented to them. At the same time, being asked to trust that the State has their best interest at heart, when history has shown this to be far from the norm. You don’t have to flip very far back in the history books to find the American people have been unwittingly used as human experiments. You need to flip even fewer pages to find the last time they have been lied to directly.


elpyromanico

Here I thought my parents were just being wusses. I think you got a point. I told my mother it was either the vaccine or inevitably getting COVD. She risked it. My dad ended up getting COVID and recovered. She never quarantined from him. Never got symptoms and never tested positive. Gets under my skin a little. I can just head my dad’s voice saying that I may have a four year degree but he has “life experience.” I just wanted them to avoid risk. And they feel they avoided risk in their own way.


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bravoM2

My dad is also staunchly anti vaccine and believes he's better off risking getting covid than risking side effects of the vaccine. Meanwhile my son is immune compromised, so I told him we won't be seeing him or my mom until he is vaccinated. Did not change his mind. My mom doesn't normally go against my dad, but she got vaccinated in secret so she could come visit us, also in secret so he doesn't figure out she is vaxxed (which itself boggles my mind why she needs to keep it a secret from him). Everyday I read about anti vaxxers getting covid and wishing they had taken it and dying and I'm scared that one of these day I'll be reading about my dad.


GRW810

Why is she getting vaccinated and seeing her grandchildren in secret? They are both perfectly reasonable things to do that she doesn't need to hide from anyone. If your dad is eager to express his choice not to vaccinate, she should be proud to express her choice to vaccinate, and he should respect that.


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killerorcaox

Yeah but they’re only thinking about themselves and that’s frustrating. If I were to tell my parents of my own concern they’d respect me on it. Many people acted selfishly as if their literal freedoms were being taken away, rather than looking out for their neighbor.


Quelcris_Falconer13

Poor African communities especially have this problem, they have a loooong history post slavery of basically non stop abuse at the hands of business and government. Look at flint, MI, most recently.


Spiritual-Raccoon-19

I’m so glad this was brought up, because it’s absolutely true. Being a BIPOC I honestly felt as though I had to hide my vaccination out of fear of being snubbed. I’ve since gotten over it, however the occasional lecture regarding this ‘experimental poison’ still pops out from time to time.


TheYellowRose

Do you mean African American?


WiNTER_08_JeVETTS

I fucking love comments like this one. You so strongly agree with the original statement and a well explained second opinion swings your belief so strongly that I can fully empathise with them... Good luck America. Who would ever have thought I'd say that... Edit: spelling


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You nailed it. It’s not simple and straightforward. Someone unaffiliated with the government needs to start an education campaign that explains the origins of the vaccines, and how they can help while also clearly stating the potential risks. Being an anti-vaxxer also doesn’t meant you’re against all vaccines. Most of the people that I know that refuse the vaccine have all had their kids get their Dip-Tet, Polio, and all that because those are old and proven vaccines. Most people don’t understand that the mRNA vaccines aren’t new and were adapted to protect against COVID-19 by causing an immune reaction that creates anti-bodies. If anyone reading this is wondering, I did enough reading to satisfy myself that while the vaccine might carry risks, the risk of getting jacked up my COVID-19 was much greater so I got the shot. The mortality rate is very low, but you could end up with long lasting side affects that could make you wish you were dead. Like the guy that founded the Texas Roadhouse chain of restaurants. The decision to get the shot shouldn’t be a political one though. Everyone is running around trying to make this a red or blue issue. It’s a health issue! It shouldn’t matter who you vote for or whether you watch MSNBC or Fox at night. It should be based on the risks that are particular to your personal health situation! Health everyone!


magicdonwuhan

I really like your comment and agreed it should be that way.


cosmicpu55y

Thanks for this nuanced, calm and balanced view


Marko343

The a argument I hear against this vaccine is "it takes years to make a vaccine and they made this one in less than a year" or they rushed testing. I may be wrong but I try to explain it by saying if someone came up with a vaccine for ebola they would have to wait for a outbreak to test it and even then those numbers are low. When you have a global pandemic raging it's comically easy to find a large number of people willing to be part of the trial. Combine that with the speed you can get a viable vaccine with mRNA tech and you can get one made and testes really quickly.


inshead

> Someone unaffiliated with the government needs to start an education campaign that explains the origins of the vaccines, and how they can help while also clearly stating the potential risks. For the most part these people are choosing to be ignorant. The information is widely available to the public but they choose to either ignore or not believe it. An education campaign won’t fix that about these people. The willful ignorance we are seeing in large numbers is the result of years and years of being indoctrinated a certain way. Like through religion or social media.


Spiritual-Raccoon-19

Exactly this… it’s not all just ‘right wing Trumpers’ either. It’s little pockets of people from all subcultures and parties. It’s a crappy deal but honestly if we’re able to stop and think critically our society was set up for all of this mistrust be it media/political leader. I’m hoping that more people find comfort in getting vaccinated sooner rather than later.


BoozieTales

When the PHS and the CDC decide to study untreated syphilis by intentionally infecting individuals with syphilis while also telling them that they're receiving free healthcare... idk. That example ended in 72 or 73, I forget, but it had been going on for 40 years. Our government specifically targeted one of the most vulnerable classes for a potentially fatal, sadistic fucking science experiment that effected MORE than just their patients. The men they knowingly infected with syphilis and allowed to live with it without treatment or knowledge that they HAD it went on to pass it on to their wives through sexual contact and their children through their very conception. The idea that America is a 'free nation' is a lie. We've been fed propaganda and lies since we were born. I've never once questioned getting a vaccine before now. To me, vaccines were no brainers. All the vaccines I'd ever taken as a kid had been around for decades before I was ever born. I WANT to have faith in the covid vaccines. I just.. don't? I want to. I want to be wrong. I just worry that the vaccines we have are a knee-jerk *'we have to get the working class back to work'* sort of measure from the top. I've heard from some pals in the science field that there's been research into covid vaccine stuff sine like... about ten years ago... but if it just emerged...? what would they have been... lookin at? idk. I.. I just don't know. I would like to. I want to be safe, I want my family and my neighbors to be safe.


chlorokill

Thank you so much for explaining this so clearly.


DesiArcy

Bullshit. People are not being told to trust science they don't understand while not believing science being presented to them. There is absolutely no science being "presented" on the anti-vaxxer side of things, and the science behind vaccines has been patiently and kindly explained over and over again in the face of violent denial, aggression, and wilful ignorance.


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iikillerpenguin

Lol anti vacxxers are hesitant to get something that has been out for decades like the measles vaccine. Anti Vaxxers deserve all their shit.


A_Christmas_Karl

I think it may be because of how obnoxious and uneducated the anti vaxxers are. They are spreading lies, gathering in large groups without regard for anyone else's health. They whine about wearing a mask in public and act like it is the most oppressive thing to happen to them. That's not oppression, it is public health. Stop being so selfish. And if you are one of the extra stupid anti vaxxers who think that the vaccine has a tracker I have some disturbing news for you about your phone.


RenegadeNailcraft

I don’t think cruel is quite the right word. But I’m not sure what is. I think it’s beyond simple. When two-sided situations like this arise, they are often incredibly nuanced and delicate. Good relevant points on both sides, solid intellectual arguments, healthy debates that often leave people more open and educated than where they found them… But this debate… no. This is simple. This is spectacularly easy. The evidence is everywhere you look, if you choose to see it. The cost for people to get vaccinated is next to nil. The cost for them not getting vaccinated is being paid for in bodies now, and for the foreseeable future. Wearing a mask? It costs nothing except a bit of comfort, and think about all of the lives that may have been saved if not for whiney, entitled, people who have an incredibly strange idea of freedom. I will strive hard to understand and have compassion for people I don’t agree with, always. But I have never found it so hard as I do with die hard Trump supporters, and anti vaxxers. I’m always open to hearing other takes on this, but I would always ask at the end of any point made; “Yes, but is it worth the dead bodies?”


Tigaget

Nope. You don't get to risk the health of other people because "muh feelings". Mrna vaccines have been studied extensively. Just because you (the collective you) are too fucking stupid to understand how science works doesn't mean you discount scientific experts. If you genuinely believe, in 2021, that there is a massive, multi-governmental, experiment going in just to see for funsies what an mRna vaccine does, conveniently rapidly developed during a pandemic (which at this point, um sure you'll mention how it was created in a lab and deliberately released), you are too stupid to live as an adult. Life is not a James Bond movie.


Inconvenient1Truth

Most antivaxxers aren't nearly as lucid in their reasoning as you assume. Instead of having legitimate doubts about medical science, they think stuff like; 1. Bill Gates will use 5G towers to track them if they get the vaccine. 2. The vaccine is the biblical mark of the beast and brands you as a vassal of Satan 3. It's a sinister population control scheme and if you get it you'll be dead in months 4. Democrat pedophile something-something 5. All vaccines cause autism 6. Etc. This is not a reasonable debate between two equally convincing sides. This is medical science vs. tinfoil hatters.


Derreekk

The thing I think that gets me the most is if it was JUST the USA or another country or maybeee even a FEW countries telling its people all this covid stuff... I would get it. I would be just as skeptical. But it's literally the whole world... somehow people think every nation is somehow working together for the mutual benefit of the people at the top (good one) on this huge giant conspiracy mission to give fake vaccines to their entire populations for nefarious reasons? Or that 90% of other countries are just being fed information no questions asked? There's absolutely no way.


TakeTheCannoli813

I don’t think people really consider that the more they scream at someone to do something the more likely that person is to NEVER do it.


smoothmedici

Do you think no one else in the world is declining vaccines? Just Americans?


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storybookheidi

I’ve seen plenty of idiot Tiktoks from British anti-vaxxers


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Idiocy has plagued humanity since time immemorial. TikTok is just making it easier to be stupid and get noticed. We’re playing a dangerous game when misinformation and ignorance are given such a large platform, but most of the time AFAIK companies like Twitter, FB, TikTok etc. don’t lift a finger unless it starts to cost them.


ldxo_

not just americans. just where i work alone theres 3 people who aren’t getting vaccinated when they’re eligible. they cant give a straight reason as to why either.


RedFoxBlackSox

I myself got vaccinated, but unfortunately for some people I know it’s a financial thing… can’t afford the few days of being sick and missing work (granted… I would think it’s inevitable that people get sick anyway so??? Why not just avoid the major sickness right now, idk..) I suppose when you are spread so thin it’s hard to have your priorities straight.


RawOakTree

Before Covid i worked sick. I needed the money more than the rest 🤷🏼‍♂️


nolagem

That’s one of the problems. Many can’t afford to take time off should they get hit with reactions/sickness.


EBFG493

I hate this argument. Because it usually means that if they felt sick and actually had covid, they’d still come to work.


sailorgarmonbozia

Unfortunately that’s not the worker’s fault still. When you have the need to support yourself and aren’t wealthy, a single day off can completely ruin your financial situation.


Cthulhu69sMe

I've been in a situation where i was struggling so bad i literally worked with the flu. I wore a Mask and gloves and lysoled everything after every interaction but yeah..... I'm ashamed of myself now for it but at the time i didn't really have a choice. It was awful.


Montana-Max

Hey man, staying home doesn't pay the bills. I feel your pain


kam0706

There’s no guarantee of strong side effects though. I was perfectly able to return to work after mine.


RedFoxBlackSox

That’s awesome, and I suppose some of you have superior genetics or something lol. First one gave me a sore arm for a little while. Second one completely knocked me on my ass for about 3 days. Feverish, cold, no appetite, and super tired.


LolaBijou

The side effects typically aren’t that dire. I just felt tired and had a mild headache. Same with my boyfriend and all of my friends. Certainly cost me less than a trip to the ER or days/weeks/months in the hospital.


nomnamless

That's such a weak argument though. When I got my first shot I was fun, my second shot the next day my arm was sore and I had zero energy. I still went to work. That day or two if maybe being sick I would think I'd 100x better then getting Covid and being out of work for weeks


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>That's such a weak argument though. Except it isn't because everyone reacts differently to the vaccine. And some people truly cant afford to miss a day of work, cause it might mean food or rent


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TakeTheCannoli813

Especially not if they are still masked up & following COVID procedures.


Thatsjustbeachy

How many times does this topic have to be posted!!!?


frostfall13

Why just Americans?


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At the end of the day its extremely easy to single out Americans due to the huge political influence and presence in media. Most Americans have taken a political stance on covid and they're really loud about it. Its ignorant but what can you really do?


MelancholicBabbler

"Most Americans" looks like you fell for the old self selection bias. There are 300+ million Americans, where are you getting it that must have highly politized covid? Or are you extrapolating from the media?


friedcajun

Do you think that talking down to them and belittling them is going to change their mind? Everyone in America is, currently, allowed to make their own decisions when it comes their health. That’s obvious when you look at the obesity rate in the US, or suicide rates, or alcohol and drug addiction rates, or etc etc etc. The US government is at the very least shady as fuck and expects folks to just get in line for a vaccine that has unfortunately been HIGHLY politicized. Some of the same politicians that said they wouldn’t get “Trumps Vaccine” flipped script and are starting to push the populous to get it now that the Biden Administration has taken over. Of course there are a percentage that don’t give a fuck or simply aren’t getting it out of spite, but a large percentage of unvaccinated people I know aren’t getting it YET because they simply don’t believe politicians and health administrations that have, up until know, never given one shit about them or their families.


officeralmcmeme

Hey that's not very freedom of you op


sepharon2009

I can think of those who deserve to be “the scum of the earth” more directly. Pedophiles, rapists, murderers, drug dealers, etc. Not getting a vaccine is stupid. Not scum level, in my opinion.


BabyBilly1

No, they are not. Yes, I am vaccinated.


sailorgarmonbozia

I am waiting because I must first find out if I’m pregnant so I know which is safe. I hardly go out and when I do I’m masked. So sorry but not sorry, I’d rather not lose my possible baby again, but I will take every other precaution to protect others. It’s not so black and white. Even at my work, we all stayed masked because some of my coworkers cannot afford to take off time to get the vaccine and still possibly need recovery time.


michaelshow

I can’t get one unfortunately. The microchip in the vaccine is incompatible with the implant I received when I was taken. Perhaps there’s like a firmware upgrade or something, I will certainly ask next time I go up, but it’s been a while since the last time, so I am not sure when I’ll get taken next.


Virtual-Meat4410

People don’t realize, or in my opinion, the deception that those in power have brought on us. It’s scary to see how quick everyone is to defend the government and those decisions…… being …… made…… for.. us? Im vaxxed so thats not my argument, my thing is, is don’t you all feel its a little strange the way they’ve been pushing this vax? Im from the US and boy the amount of “lotteries and prizes and discounts” you would receive after “getting the vax” is crazy! I got it because my job literally said either you get it or you get fired. Thats not a choice, that’s medical coercion. Thank GOD! I didnt have any side effects related to it, can you imagine? Who would be held responsible? No one because it was “my choice” …. Make it make sense!


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I’d rather never see any one until it gets full FDA approval. All I do is mountain bike and have food delivered to me anyway.


justrainalready

I like your style


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Feety96

I know it's not popular to say but why care? As someone who did get vaccinated, I could understand. I almost didn't. Extra money was a good enough incentive for me. But there is a lot of people that don't trust something that is pretty much experimental. There is no way to know the long term effects right now. And there's a lot of back and forth of whether or not they are even effective against new variants. The delta variant isn't even the latest and it's taking over. On top of that, being vaccinated, why even care? They're the ones getting sick. If we get sick, because of the vaccine we already got it is nowhere near as harmful as it is to someone who isn't vaccinated. It doesn't effect me at all. With genuine concerns I understand. For political reasons it's just bullshit to me because politics are a terrible reason for anything. But I could completely understand anyone's concern with the vaccine, as well as anyone's concern with covid.


kam0706

Because the best efficacy of vaccines relies on volume. We need all eligible population to protect those who can’t be vaccinated. Plus if refusers continue to get sick they continue to put the medical system under strain which affects workers and patients.


msxlk

People literally forget that we NEED for the majority of the population to get vaccinated in order for it to work... It's useless if only some of us get the vaccine because those who don't keep the virus rolling around and making everything worse :/


Kommmbucha

Because not only will they not get vaccinated, many of them are taking off their masks as things begin opening up. These are the people getting severe Covid. They are the people taking up hospital beds, and the time and attention of doctors and nurses. They are much more contagious than vaccinated people, and they are not only prolonging the pandemic, they are fueling the mutation of the virus and may even make the current vaccines less effective sooner than they otherwise would have. Kids and young adults cannot yet get the vaccine, and despite their stronger immunity, can and do get sick and die. The immunocompromised, some who can’t get the vaccine, or for whom the vaccine is less effective, are being endangered by these people. This is why I care. They are selfish and ignorant. They are needlessly straining the already fraying bonds of society. We’re sick of their bullshit.


IgnoredSphinx

This!


Cmcrissy

Immuno-compromised people are still vulnerable, even if they’re vaccinated. Unvaccinated people put them at risk.


pbandpickles11

How? The vaccines don’t prevent sickness they help you to fight the sickness better. You can still be a carrier of the virus if you’re vaccinated


breathelovesit

Immunocompromised people may have not produced as many antibodies to the vaccine as the average person. Also in general their immune systems aren’t as good at fighting back viruses and infections because they are either weakened or suppressed, making complications and death more likely.


Flabarm

Like the post you replied to stated vaccinated people can still be carriers of the illness and immuno-compromised people are just as likely to catch it from them as they are from someone that is not vaccinated. Considering most people feel safe after receiving the vaccine they may be less cautious and more likely to get someone with an immune deficiency sick because they believe that they are safe and will put themselves in situations around these folks and expose them to the illness as a carrier.


floriane_m

some of the vaccines also reduce the transmission


ahagotcha2

I agree, I got vaccinated because I believed and there are significant risks involved but it is up to the individual to decide , there’s absolutely no reason to demonize someone for their choice.


84746

How do you think the variants came? The virus can only mutate in people who get infected. Everyone that’s eligible has to get vaccinated so the vaccines are actually effective for the long term. What’s the point of the vaccines if the virus keeps mutating in unvaccinated people? Also, children under 12 can’t get vaccinated yet and are relying on everyone else to be responsible and not spread it to them.


GirlOnARide

A virus can mutate in a vaccinated person just as likely as it can in an unvaccinated person. Sure, the vaccinated person is more protected from initially getting it… BUT once a person has the virus, the virus doesn’t care who the host is and it doesn’t stop it from mutating. Just FYI.


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xPhoenixJusticex

It's not a new vaccine though. They've just adjusted existing vaccines to work with the covid strains. I wish people would get this. Also if you have a hard time believing the severity of COVID...then go to any ICU of a hospital and you'll find how it affects people.


phaeriemandube

If I were going off just this post, I guess I'm pretty fuckin stupid 😅


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Lelricaa

Haha, my mom didn’t want me to get the varicella vaccine either and my doctor accidentally injected me with it forgetting my mom refused the varicella vaccine😬😂 I’m 23 so it was when it was new too. And yeah I agree with your points. I’m partly vaccinated and get my second dose next week. Although I feel as if I’m partly protected because it can reduce complications and seriousness yk why I mean. But I’m still going to be wearing my mask.


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Not if you need birth control or need an abortion. Then it's some christ loving dudes right to tell you what you can do with your body.


cat-meg

Also certain drugs like marijuana and mushrooms that can have fantastic medical benefits, nah, up to the state.


Celestial_Dildo

They more realistically have middling benefits. As far as using them for medicine you should really be distilling it down to only the parts that help instead of just smoking or eating the plant whole. For example, CBD is proven to be incredibly helpful in joint pain relief since it not only alleviates pain, but also helps keep the joints from being damaged further. It's in marijuana, but to get the actual benefits you need to be taking a tablespoon of the oil each day. That's over thirty blunts measured by how snoop dog likes him. As a side note, smoking anything, not just marijuana, tabaco, etc. Is bad for your lungs. Super hot gasses aren't great for you. Go for edibles instead, you get the added benefit of a brownie or gummies. Source: As a two-fer I've been prescribed CBD for a joint issue in the past and the dog food industry, which I spent 20 years working in, has an odd connection to experimental drugs like this. In the case of CBD oil, its used with glucosamine to help old dogs with joint pain since it's an inevitability they'll get it when they get older.


dragcov

You know what's important? For this virus to not mutate and cause the current vaccine to be useless. Fucking get vaccinated


ShittyDuckFace

The general consensus in the medical community is that your medical freedom and autonomy ends where someone else's (and their right to safety) begins. Hence why Mary Mallon (aka Typhoid Mary) was harshly imprisoned, because she did not stop putting herself in positions where she could infect people with typhoid, as she was a carrier. It was cruel that they did that, but at the same time the price of her freedom was people's lives and their general safety. So yes, you can do whatever you want with your body. But if what you're doing is causing another fully functional human being bodily harm, then that's where your rights to that sort of autonomy end.


Throwaway273489

Not if your autonomy could directly lead to the end of someone else’s life. It’s not autonomy. It’s selfishness.


crinkleberry

There is a balance between autonomy and protecting the common good. Autonomy that negatively impacts the well being of others is not how humans thrive. It's actually incredible how few people understand this.


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Maou201

The vast majority refusing to get vaccinated do not.


fullHonesty

A once in a century global pandemic kinda changes things a teensy little bit I think.


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charrasaurusrex

It was the largest cause of deaths in the US for a year until the vaccine was implemented.


dleach4512

It's easy to find a reason to hate and divide, but I dare you to find a reason to love and unite. 'Divide and conquer', that's what they're doing to us.


stankyballz

What if you have natural antibodies from previously having it?


readerready24

And this is the issue to me why arent they clearly saying if u had it u have some protection because the vaccine isnt protecting either they just arent clear at all


CreepyMixture3127

Hey, they're not stupid! They have armchair degrees from the university of YouTube, with a postgraduate from the research centre of Facebook! It more than qualifies them to make an informed decision as they have more knowledge than the medical research community!


JashDreamer

I have a coworker who doesn't like vaccines or GMOs because she doesn't just put anything in her body, she said as she stuffed her face with pasta from Applebee's.


Lelricaa

I had a professor like this too. Except she preached non gmo foods and preached not to eat fast food and junk food. I said in another comment that we reported this professor because she was preaching about her vaccine opinions on a health and wellness class that had nothing to do with vaccines. She stated she didn’t believe in the polio, hep B, meningococcal, pneumonococcal vaccine (excuse spelling) but believed we shouldn’t be vaccinated for anything and do homeopathic medicine. Nothing wrong with homeopathic medicine, but it was insane to hear such beliefs that we shouldn’t be vaccinated for anything


PuckTheVagabond

They are students of Prager U.


sn00pd0g123

what’s ironic is that facebook is notorious for taking down any anti-v content. it’s in their terms of use lol


readerready24

Why dont they release novavax already


theWaterHermit

My roommate said she’s “waiting for the right time” yet in the previous sentence said 6 of her unvaxxed coworkers tested positive. Honestly sounds like a pretty good time to go ahead and get it done to me.


Uavs_Online

My fault G I’m just lazy


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Americans have a history of being lab rats being tested on by their governments , especially black Americans . And that directly correlates to statistics of vaccination rates . I will not get vaccinated and I’m sorry that offends you .


SkipOldBaySeasoning

I haven’t gotten vaccinated because I’m not financially stable enough to miss a day or 2 of work if I have those after effects. If I could miss those days I’d be vaccinated.


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shootathought

The rest of your family who also had covid may seem fine, but we really don't know that they are fine, do we? New study says it has taken away IQ points from people. Studies are showing it's triggering autoimmune diseases like type 1 diabetes. Long-term heart and lung problems, all sorts of things.


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TRDAlastor1929

Humanity is a plague on all life, nature has a way of balancing the scales. We as a species are arrogant to believe we have a right to be here covid is but another culling field even as weak as it is


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RawOakTree

My mom had her heart stop while in the hospital after being given Percocet. Not a single doctor or nurse noticed since she wasn’t hooked up yet. If my aunt hadn’t noticed she’d be gone. As someone who hasn’t been given a lot of medications over the years I’m afraid of what might affect me and what won’t. Especially since I won’t be in a hospital if something goes wrong like she was.


Betsir

My (adult) brother has autism and is nonverbal. He almost died from an allergic reaction to antibiotics (thankfully he was in the hospital at the time recovering from a tonsillectomy). If he were to get vaccinated and have some sort of an issue, there’s a very good chance he wouldn’t be able to communicate to us that he was in trouble.


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VodkasBFF

How much research have you done that you are convinced a vaccine would throttle your family plans? It didn’t take me too long to Google and overall consensus is catching Covid is more detrimental to fertility than the vaccine. This isn’t a vax vs. non-vax thing, it’s pure due diligence. Educate yourself.


msxlk

Can you show me those reports? As far as I know nothing of the sorts has been published, at all.


dogmom12589

What reports are there?


saitouamaya

There is absolutely no factual evidence that the vaccines cause fertility issues in men or women. Leading experts in reproductive health have all come out in support of the vaccine and refuting these rumors. You are a huge part of the problem of misinformation by perpetuating these false rumors. You know what actually does cause fertility issues and can lead to miscarriages? Getting fucking COVID. Also, you are selfish. You and people like you that won't get vaccinated are the reason why this pandemic continues, people will die, and we all have to go back to wearing masks now. Your selfishness has ruined things for the rest of us. I am immunocompromised and have now had three COVID vaccines but still have no antibodies. I am still susceptible to COVID and if someone at work or out in public were to infect me with COVID, it could kill me. Also the OP's delivery was not nearly harsh enough. The time for sympathy and understanding is passed. You are a danger to public health.


ShittyDuckFace

Yeah WTF is "please be nicer with your delivery"? Like are you serious? They're being dumb and believing reports that have no actual science behind them. There are instances where people who recovered from COVID (as mid 20-somethings!) will have to deal with the repercussions for the rest of their lives. And they're okay with that? Win stupid games, get stupid prizes.


ShittyDuckFace

>(Also you could have been less harsh with your delivery, JS) No. This isn't about feelings. It's been over a year. Do *actual* research. Don't be foolish. Where the fuck are these reports from? Is this actual fucking research or propaganda? Moreover, you don't get to harm your community for the *slim* possibility that this might mess with your fertility. I wouldn't say you're scum of the earth but you're definitely selfish, privileged and shortsighted. You're given the opportunity to get a vaccine that prevents a disease *that could fuck up your fertility, respiratory system, and heart* that billions around the globe are desperate to have and yet, you will not get it. By the way, I'm your age. Fully vaxxed.


ADHDfun

Erin Payne (formerly Erin Bates) from the show "Bringing up Bates" about that family with 19 kids got covid and she is now infertile. I also know an acquaintance of mine who is now infertile due to covid. I"m not sure where you could find the research on this, but covid CAN cause infertility. Imo you ARE selfish for choosing someone who doesn't exist over the lives of people who already do. Your wants come before someone else's life... You are taking a risk in helping bring a variant in the world because you want to pass on your oh so special DNA. YOu also want to bring a child into this world where there is a risk of a variant and have more people die. Yeah that is selfish. \*shrug\* To be honest I don't care. I hope a few more anti-vaxxers die. We need a few less people on this planet. I feel sad when vaccinated people die from covid but when anti-vaxxers die, I feel like it's just natural selection taking it's course and they should be responsible for their own hospital bills. I have extended family who are anti-vaxx and I wouldn't shed any tears if they kicked the bucket due to covid. So please OP don't get vaccinated. Maybe you'll catch covid, and you wont spread your selfish genes.


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xPhoenixJusticex

It didn't take less than a year to develop. They were working off an already existing base of flu vaccines and adjusting them to work with COVID. pls do more than 5 seconds of 'research.'


I_Think_IShit_Myself

So many people commenting in this thread wouldn’t even be here (or might have crippling debilitations) if Americans en masse had refused the smallpox and polio vaccines. Good luck to us when an even more serious virus mutates. How deadly does it have to be for people to take it seriously and get vaccinated? I understand being concerned for one’s own health but it seems like people would rather trust intuition or Facebook than actual medical science or public health experts. If that’s the case why go to the doctor ever?


plain-and-dry

Keep in mind that there are a lot of mentally ill people running around who have said "fuck it" and are accustomed to neglecting their health since the system here is fucked. Pre-vaccine, I was ready to take a Covid death to the face. Seemed like a good method to commit suicide without anyone noticing. But I went ahead and got the vaccine under doctor's orders, since I'm paying them to tell me how to become a happy person. Boy what a jolly ol time it's been. I would hate to miss out on people calling each other "fucking stupid" on the internet.


payt

I actually had to argue with my coworker about this literally today because she won’t get vaccinated. We’re nurses. It’s scary times.


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Throwaway273489

If you can’t tell the difference between a woman deciding on what to do about her own body with no possible health implications for others versus a dumbass antivaxxer deciding on what to do with their body while at the same time possibly passing a deadly disease to others… then you are a scumbag. Your body your choice doesn’t fucking fly when your choice could directly lead to someone else’s death. Gtfo


kam0706

I don’t think anyone shouldn’t have a choice. I just don’t understand why any fully informed person would choose not to protect themselves and their loved ones.


chicklette

My grandmother passed yesterday. Mom's friend came over today with her unmasked, unvaxed adult daughter. My mom, uncle, and aunt were all there, and they are all seniors and the only family I have left. I left before I lost my shit but I seriously want to go back there and punch her in the face.


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khali21bits

Most people of color don’t trust the government that much to just get it. I worked for Uber since February, Thank God never got it. Im not against the vaccine, just don’t really trust it and just waiting for a “better made” vaccine


moonagedaydream_

The number of selfish people here is shocking. If the vaccine is available to you, get it. There’s no microchip, no plan for world domination via the shot. Do your part. Variants will spin off among the unvaccinated population, which can then sicken the vaccinated, and it’s back to square one. Put your conspiracy theories and selfishness on hold and do what’s right.


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First off, yes I am vaccinated. But I can see why people are more hesitant with this particular vaccine, more than any other.... side effects. Many have no symptoms at all, but some people are having these effect last a few months after the 2nd dose. One instance is if you get swollen lymphnodes, which is probably the most common one, especially for those with pre-exisiting conditions. I know several people in my step family to get this issue, all of which have some pre-existing conditions. Its treatable, but takes a couple month and can be quite painful. Another common one is tiredness and sickness lasting a week or two. Another un-common but potentially dangerous one is myocarditis which affects the heart


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E34M20

That's not how it works at all, mate... The goal of any vaccine ultimately isn't to protect the individual, it's to protect the \*herd\*. The vaccine program only works in the medium to long term if enough of the herd gets vaccinated to stop the spread. If not enough of the herd get vaccinated, the spread continues, and variants are allowed for form and spread as well, further potentially eliminating the effectiveness of the vaccine. Additionally, administered vaccines may expire over time, which might necessitate 'booster' shots; COVID-19 vaccines so far give indications that booster shots might be necessary to maintain sufficient protections.


AbigailLilac

The chance of getting Covid is greatly decreased, then even if you do get the virus, the chance of serious side effects (and transmission) is also greatly decreased. The commenter you replied to was worried about the current virus spreading among the unvaccinated, then having a chance to mutate into a varient that beats the vaccine. Where if less people get Covid, the virus doesn't have as many opportunities to mutate.


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palmtreee23

Genuine question: do you think that what you just said will in any way have a positive effect and convince more people to get vaccinated? Extremely rude statements like this literally make vaccine-hesitant people even more hesitant. Have some understanding, jeez


gxm95

WTF. So much ignorance in this thread. Listen to actual scientists and you'll understand why we need everyone to be vaccinated.


Niteladystalker

So if half the people are vaccinated but 30% of the population has already gotten covid..... Does that mean only 20% is left to still get the vaccine?... I'm not being an asshole, I genuinely don't know if you can get it again or what


gxm95

You can get it again, the immune response you get from catching covid is much weaker than the one the vaccines trigger. Even vaccinated people can get covid but the chance is MUCH smaller and even if they do the chance they get seriously sick is VERY low.


Niteladystalker

So does that mean the people who have already gotten covid still need to vaccinate?


gxm95

Yes, definitely. I had it and I'll get the vaccine as soon as it's available for me.


Niteladystalker

Why isn't it available to you


gxm95

I'm from Brazil. In my city they're still vaccinating only people who are older than 38. I'm 25.


NOT-Mr-Davilla

I have older family members who say that they’d rather get the virus than the vaccine. The reasoning being that the virus can’t be that bad. 🙄


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xPhoenixJusticex

Question; have you had a flu vaccine before?


khueen

That’s your choice if you want to get vaccinated. Not everyone wants to inject some foreign substance into them especially so soon after it’s been created. People need to mind their own business, if you’re so worried about getting sick then you’re more than welcome to get the vaccine but some of us don’t give a fuck


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Hoytshot69

It’s my choice (not politically motivated) to not get the vaccine. I have my reasons why and I completely understand my risk, as I actually work in the medical (EMS) field.


KyleMcMahon

So you’re willingly putting medically frail patients at risk. Wow.


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Blyatinum

Anyone who can but won't, not just Americans.


One-Effect-7986

My dad wasn’t going to get vaccinated, but I made him an appointment, and made him go. In my job there isn’t any such thing as being 6 ft away from my client, and I didn’t want to risk coming in contact with it then carrying it back to him.


mebjulie

*Anyone on the planet who can and won’t are scum. I had friends and family who refuse either both, or their second vaccine. The pandemic has really made me realise the essence of people I know.


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My brother won't get vaccinated. He can he's just stubborn and selfish. My dad, late mom and I got ours.


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84746

It’s selfish when it starts to affect other people beyond yourself 💀💀💀.


TheG00dFather

I love all these smug assholes saying "mAh BoDy My CHOICE" like pulling some sort of reverse uno card not realizing abortions aren't contagious and a virus is. Can't fix stupid. You know damn well these people aren't taking precautions like social distancing and wearing masks. But they'll tell you they are.


mynameisstryker

Yes this is why I think it's okay to drink and drive. It's my body, who are you tell me what to do with it?


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M4rvelous23

I’m vaccinated. I’m not taking any chances. I lived through quarantine with my mom coming home from covid testing patients everyday. She’s a pediatric nurse. If there’s anyone that knows what they’re doing, it’s the doctors.


JustBelaxing

It’s like they have their heads up their asses. They probably think all of the medical care in the tens or hundreds of thousand is going to be free if they get Covid. It was once, but no longer. And yeah, they won’t get the shot because they think it’s experimental but these are the same people that eat unregulated vitamins and penis pills like they’re PEZ. They also think they’re going to get the same care that old Trump got….lmao.


TameImpalaFan69

My friend I literally almost made this post earlier today and held myself back so happy you went for it. We’re about to go back into lockdown because selfish people refuse to do it. What a time in history? Imagine there is a global pandemic that shuts the world down. Sad! But scientists make a cure. Yay science! But so many people refuse to take the cure that the disease continues raging. Can’t wait to try to explain that one to my kids. Most ironic parts to me? 1. These same people skew heavily in patriotism. Way to show support and sacrifice for your neighbors and your country. 2. These same people who are most highly at risk? They will be the first ones to rage against the upcoming lockdowns. Hey folks we’re literally doing this FOR YOU.


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omegadeity

I'm sitting here at the ER in the Hospital, they're currently admitting my father...my Dad. He was vaccinated, but still somehow managed to become infected...don't know if it's the Delta variant or not, but he did what he was told to do...he got the J&J shot a few months back. Yet I'm sitting out here at 10PM, knowing I have to be to work in 9 hours and my dad's struggling to breath thanks to a pandemic that keeps getting spread by assholes who think their freedoms give them the right to infect other people with a potentially fatal disease all so they could avoid a painless needle prick or two and a day of POSSIBLY feeling like shit. But that's ok, you keep your freedom I just wish it was all the uneducated "but mah freedom" morons were the ones that were killed by this fucking virus so I could go home and get a good night's sleep instead of wondering if "where are you going to want to go to eat when they let you out of here?" Was the last words I'll ever get to speak to my dad...


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dogmom12589

MRNA vaccines have been in development for 15 years , this got done so rapidly because literally the entire world shut down and threw money and resources at it. Information is free, do some fucking research


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Link_outside_the_box

This entire comment section is just a definition of extremely low intelligence. When I see anything other than at least an attempt to grasp the science, I see complete and utter lack of intelligence. In fact! I’m pretty sure there are scientific studies on science deniers being generally of lower intelligence. You’re just stupid and a waste. A stupid waste that is incredibly dangerous. I’m immune compromised. Fuck all of you and your selfish bullshit. You’d let your children and others die for your Facebook holistic essential oil healing crystal political alignment. I hope you die suffocating and terrified.


Montana-Max

I voted for Joe Biden and proudly got all my vaccinations prior to covid so no I'm not anti vax. I just thought it was a little too early to get the covid 19 vaccination and wanted to see how others reacted to it before getting it myself. Either way I quarantine pretty much 24/7 and get everything delivered since I work from home. With the delta variant spreading I won't be too surprised if they made another vaccine to combat this strain of virus as well, so if they come out with something new I could likely get a better vaccination than what everyone else took. I'll get it soon enough though, I really hope you guys don't think I'm scum.


mivh5

Stupid people that don’t know they are stupid are the cancer of the earth


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dbp003

Adverse affects? You're more likely to be affected by the forever chemicals in our food and water than a vaccine. They're not giving it to 12 year olds because they're low risk. Get vaccinated, quit being a cancer on our society.


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PrettyContribution9

They’re not giving it to children under twelve because their organs aren’t as developed as ours so it is uncertain how the vaccine will work and what is the optimal dose for them. Just like they don’t give viagra to kids (except for kids with pulmonary hypertension). And also, just like alcohol isn’t given to kids. You sound ridiculous.