This paper guillotine
By - solateor
I went on a tour to a print center when I was in college and it's even more satisfying in person. Just watching that knife slice through all that paper while surrounded by the scent of paper and ink is like porn for graphic designers lol
My parents owned a print shop and this was one of my favorite machines. The little metal balls have air blowing to smoothly throw around the paper stacks. And when you cut the paper, it would release a smell similar to how you get the clean smell when rain falls. I miss that stimulating scent. And the sound it makes is one of the coolest ripping sounds you will every hear!
My grandfather had a print shop and this was also one of my favorites. It was a little different than this one, probably at least 25 years old when I was using it 20+ years ago…more manual settings.
And I’m on the same page as those scents. Maybe it’s just one of those things tied to memory. But, the smell of the metal of all the machinery, the smell of the ink, and the smell of the fresh paper….those smells encompass my grandpa, he is that scent. I love it.
My dad owned a print shop in the 90s, his paper guillotine was from the 80s but then upgraded. Even though the technology had improved the safety technique was still the same. As in you can only operate it with two hands, pushing a buttons on either side of the machine.
My dad was a pressman and moonlighted at print shops. I can literally smell this video and it’s something I haven’t thought about for years.
Graphic designer here. Can confirm. This is hot.
When I was in elementary school a teacher had one of those large paper slicing devices. I loved to watch her cut papers. Loved the sound of it too. I've been thinking about getting one of those slicers to cut my watercolor paper. The cutters are called 'guillotine' paper cutters.
What is it about things like this that we like so much? For me it's the sound.
I was just going to comment that this video is like a wet dream for those of us graphic designers who had to do this stuff by hand with an x-acto knife for years lol!
By hand and constantly switching out blades because they keep getting dull...my hands have still never recovered from cutting out my graduation portfolio lol
This makes me uncomfortable seeing his hand go under the blade
The blade operates only when both switches are pressed at the same time and they are on separate ends.
Source: I have cut paper like that. Thanks to other commentators for adding the foot clamp detail.
Not only that you have to step on a foot pedal to lower the clamp that holds the paper down and removes air from the stack before the cutter buttons will engage. Know this from experience working on this machine in a printing bindery company.
I worked with an old one that didn't have a foot pedal, but it had buttons on opposite sides like pinball flippers. I figure, you could probably get your head under there if you were really determined, but I was never so inclined.
I remember working at an aluminum profile shop as a summer job and I was tasked with sawing the profiles to lenghts with a big double bladed saw thing. When they were showing me how to use it the immediate second thing they showed me was how to bypass the two button safety. I was like thanks but I'll just use the two buttons.
And the one way the place I used to work also had an ir sensor grid across it. Pretty sure that's what the black angles bar on the right is. If anything is breaking the beams, it won't operate.
Looks like it. You can see it change states every time the operator moves in front of it. There are a few (IR) LEDs on it at the far right of the video.
What would happen if you caught your fingers in the clamp?
Also the cutter moves down to the paper first, what would happen if you got your fingers in the way there?
15 years and I have seen far more clamp injuries than cuts. But the clamp on its own is only a couple hundred pounds of pressure until the knife is fired then the full pressure is applied. It'll hurt and bruise but you won't be likely to lose any fingers. Back, wrist, and shoulder problems are the common problems for this job.
Yeah but how do buttons for your hands keep your dick out of it?
hard to do when you have a micropenis
Don't have to worry about that if you're a woman.
There are women with penises too
How come the other guy with the identical comment got 12 upvotes, and you got 6 downvotes
Even so, the finger should never cross the red line. That's why he has the tool in the first line up.
The red line isn't a safety marker, it's a plastic strip the knife cuts into like a kitchen cutting board. Otherwise it would be able to cut the bottom sheets.
I used to have the blade from one of these and it was the sharpest thing I have ever seen. It was downright scary to handle the thing.
The blades are ridiculously sharp. I've known people doing maintenance or reached in and accidently touched the blade with the back of a finger. It sliced through the fingernail and straight to the bone.
Both hands are off the table when the blade is activated. Also that black bar to the side of him is a sensor that will also block the blade from dropping if it detects anything
It was the opposite of satisfying.
But once you know how the machine works it's fine. You have to press down on a lever first which lowers the dull edge that holds the paper, then to bring out the blades you have to press a button on the left side of the machine and on the right side of the machine at the **same** time ensuring that both of your hands are away from the blades
Fear is often irrational. I still wouldn’t be able to use it.
My brother used to work at a print shop. He said one day his boss was replacing the blade and it slipped. He just instinctively reached to grab it from the bottom and it cut off half of all his fingers on one hand. Nothing more than the weight of the blade.
That blade is no joke.
Are you trying to give me nightmare?
I don't doubt it.
The blades are ridiculously sharp. I've known people doing maintenance or reached in and accidently touched the blade with the back of a finger. It sliced through the fingernail and straight to the bone.
To be fair, in addition to being incredibly sharp, they are also very heavy.
The blade may be scary, but it's the clamp that holds down the paper, it adds a stupid amount of force when the blade is engaged that would completely mush a hand/finger, meaning a surgeon wouldn't be able to reattach it.
That being said, during normal operation there's so many safety features on these machines, a person would really have to put a lot of effort in to lose a limb on it.
It kind of defeats the purpose of the pusher when you also use your hand.
The blade can’t come down until you push a button with each hand. The clamp comes down with a foot pedal. The pusher is just to make sure the paper is all straight and lined up.
Besides even if you did chop your fingers off, it would be a surgeon's wet dream to reattach. Just throw those piggies on ice and they'll be good to go in no time.
PSA: If you amputate an appendage don't put it on ice. For small things, like fingers, wrap it in gauze or a paper towel and put it in a ziplock baggie. Putting it on ice will destroy the tissue.
I've been told to put it in a bag, then put it in ice in a way that prevents the tissue coming into direct contact with the ice.
What if I'm like an hour away from a hospital?
don't try to thumb a ride with the detached thumb just to make a joke, that's how you lose it to seagulls
This sounds like some solid, anecdotal life advice right here
Yes, I used to work in a print shop. Also, there’s a light barrier as well. Still, you aren’t supposed to put your fingers beyond the line at any time unless the machine is disabled.
Yeah we had one of these at work. It was a disturbing sound, the 2 hand buttons and foot pedal was the only way to go.
The main purpose of that pusher is to jog the paper into an even stack.
I had to check which sub we were on for sure
I'm pretty sure there's a protection like two buttons that one should push simultaneously by both hands.
I want to play with the excess pieces. More specifically fold them into square paper springs.
Oh man, I remember making paper springs from the tractor feed edges of old computer paper.
That unlocked an old and useless memory, thanks.
So I wasn't just crazy as a kid
There’s something stuck at the back Dave. 📍
Hal, open the door.
To all of you web designers out there. This is why you need what is refered to as bleed.
I swear I’ve had to explain bleed to someone at least twice a day. Some people just do not get it no matter what.
I actually do this at work. Not printed paper, but pan liner paper. Yes you have to push two buttons at once to have it cut. Our guillotine is probably 40 or 50 years old. Nothing new or fancy.
Being a machinist and knowing how sharp that knife is makes my fingers hurt if there a slip of the hand.
Some of these machines require two hands operate the cut sequence meaning your hands are always safe. I guess you could somehow put your head under there.
A foot pedal operates the clamp you see come down close to his hands, so he’s in control of that.
In addition to a two button system for cutting operations, there are optical sensors that prevent the blade from coming down if any part of the operator’s body intrude on that zone.
A back gauge is pre programmed to push the lift of paper to the right place for each cut.
Source: I am a recovering print professional.
Can second this. My father was in the printing trade and started his own business. I grew up with printing presses and various machinery in my childhood basement before he got his own shop. These always scares the crap out of me from a young age. My dad went over all the safety sensors to ease my fears. I believed him since he was an anxious person like myself that would have insisted on the safety of his workers, but it still freaks me out, lol!
I do printing for a large insurance company and we have one like this and another commercial cutting device with it. I feel you when you say “recovering print professional”.
It seems excessive until you realize that every single one of those safety features is the result of an arms race against self amputating morons.
I used to work in a factory with these paper cutters. It was a drug-free workplace, with everyone tested before getting hired on. I've never worked in a place with so many stoned people. Everybody. E v e r y b o d y. And maybe also drunk.
Do you know of a good rehab center?
I still do exactly this daily.
But there’s no safety when you’re changing the blade out. One of the most frightening maintenance processes.
Presumably there is no electrical power either
The blade is incredibly heavy with no convenient handholds. It sent tingles through my whole body doing it. Its what I always think of when I think of Spider-Man’s spider sense.
We also don't see the entire blade, or enclosure. There could be some kind of handle, or holes near the top.
There are threads in the face of the blade that you screw a tool into for lifting. A big wooden guard is normally on the blade until you lift it into position.
This guy cuts paper
You’d hope so. There is no modern print works like this that doesn’t have safety procedure after safety procedure.
Why isn't there some kind of protective cover that snaps on over the blade to prevent accidents during maintenance?
Yep. My brother's boss cut all his fingers in half because the blade slipped when he was changing it. He instinctively reached to catch it and the weight of the blade was enough to leave him with a hand full of stumps.
Nightmare scenario. Were they able to reattach?
He should have worn those cut proof gloves. And there should be a safety cover for the blade.
I honestly don't know if cut proof gloves would work on these blades. They are ridiculously sharp. They make professional kitchen knives appear absolutely dull in comparison. You just touch one of these blades and it can slice you to the bone.
The chain mail gloves like they use in fisheries would definitely work, the blades are sharp but they're not going to cut through hardened steel links with just the weight of the blade.
My first job was at a bindery where a guy walked into a new blade he was changing. There were blood stains 5 feet up the wall.
I've been using a larger version of this machine for the last 15 years. Usually have to change the knife 2 to 3 times a week. I have cut myself once when I first started out(my mistake when cleaning the blade), not much more than a deep paper cut. Lesson learned, if you are careful and don't cut corners it can be safe.
Every time his fingers went under that blade to move the paper, I clenched involuntarily 😰
Note that the metal edge you see at the lowest point is a soft clamp, the blade is farther up behind a blunt block of metal. These machines are made to be insanely safe unless you are dumb enough to reach out and touch the stationary blade.
Luckily most of these have insane safety measures that require 1 foot and 2 hands on safety switches before it wil operate.
I've been to an indian printing company before and it made me shit my pants how dangerously they operate the machines there. All safety measures are either removed or outsmarted, and they just swiggity swoosh their hands around all the danger bits while hovering their foot over the drop lever..
I read that as masochist
Being a pressman and watching a colleague meatslice his thumb on that exact blade, all I have to say is yyyyyup!
I cannot believe there isn't a guard that comes down in front first. Ridiculous.
With the double handed switches, foot pedal and sensors that will halt the blade if anything crosses them, you would need to be a contortionist with help to deliberately hurt yourself on this cutter.
OFF WIITH THEIR EDGES
damn what did the paper do to get the guillotine
Spread lies, started fires, is able to be exchanged for an Adam Sandler dvd, forms part of a guaranteed-semi-removable label. It’s literally Hitler
Oh my god, that is more than oddly satisfying.
That is very nearly orgasmically satisfying.
Messing up one of these cuts feels bad, man
I used to run one of these cutters. Seriously, there is nothing more satisfying than cutting thru a large stack of paper with a razor-sharp press blade.
Bored the shit out of me when I had to run the paper cutters
Whenever his hand goes behind the red line...
Every time I was like “WATCH OUT!”
My Dad has his own print shop when I was growing up. I got to play with all the cool shit like this. Under heavy supervision of course.
Couldn't they just print em on the right size PC of paper to begin with?
Printing all the way to the edge perfectly is harder
Depending on the printer, it’s usually impossible.
edit: removing my outdated ignorance.
Again, depends on the press. I work with a digital press and it’s not capable of printing edge to edge.
My bad. I'm not sure digital presses were a thing when I was working in print shops. I'ma delete my dumb comment.
Hey, I had never heard of such a thing until I started at the place I’m working now. You’re not ignorant, just one of todays lucky 10,000
You get to be one of todays lucky 10,000 twice!
Lol. I'm well over 30 but I went to a poor rural school and have long since realized there's a lot idk about the world. I'm part of the lucky 10,000 every day!
This is how almost all printed goods are finished.. You make your money in printing by multiple ups, or more than one image per sheet, and then you have to cut through the color to achieve "bleed", which is color to the edge
Not to mention sometimes they gang run other jobs in the excess spaces. It may seem like a lot of waste, but printers usually try to be as efficient as possible for profitability.
Plus the paper can be recycled.
>you have to cut through the color to achieve "bleed"
Wait I thought that's what the safety sensors were there to prevent
The registration marks and colour bars are being trimmed off. They're very useful to the press operator and henlp increase quality and reduce waste.
I want to do this job, in spite of all the paper cuts I would get.
I used to work in a print shop and ran a non-computerized version of this. It was very satisfying.
Oddly enough, I did not get any paper cuts. You're usually handling an entire ream of paper at a time.
> Oddly enough, I did not get any paper cuts.
You’re lucky. Getting a paper cut from a large format paper roll is hell. I got a particularly nasty slice a few centimetres long back in my print days.
That does suck. I never ran a web press. It was all letter or legal sized paper. So many carbonless forms!
Do your hands get sticky from any residue on the paper?
Nah. There's no residue on that paper. That ink is spread incredibly thin and dries almost instantly.
Pressman here, you're only clean because we take the mess home with us :)
Was checking if they had all of their fingers.
How do I get one?
Give a guillotine company money, they give you guillotine. Simples.
I wonder how much pressure that bad boy is utilising
Imagine the papercuts
How smoothly it could remove your pesky limbs.
I need this in place of my table saw
Nice, you have your program dialed in. I’d forgot the joy of getting the dimensions right for the job.
Oh god… what if you like… pass out while positioning the object and cut your hand?
Did anyone else flinch every time the gripper thingy came down while his hands were still past the red line?
There are safeties, so no.
You need to push two buttons that are on opposite ends of the machine, kind of like a pinball machine.
You’d have to place your hand underneath the blade, instruct someone else to push the button on the opposite side while you push the other button (or the other person pushes both) in order to chop your hand.
As someone who has a lot of experience with a guillotine cutter, it's really not as scary as it looks. This one even helps push the paper back out which is a luxury I've never had. Yeah sticking your hand under seems like a bad idea but as others have mentioned it needs to be operated with two hands and a pedal. You also frequently find a laser as an added safety barrier. The non majors in my printing classes were always terrified of these lol.
I worked with one of these for 15 years. I had nightmares of it cutting off my fingers or my whole hand. It has a locking mechanism that requires a safety window to be closed before the blade can engage, but, that didn't stop me from having a healthy respect for its enormous power. It could cut your arm in half and never even slow down. It's a terrifying beast.
That's a nice automated one that seems to set the cut distance on its own. We got a nice but slightly less fancy cutter at the FedEx Office I used to work at and I really enjoyed operating it.
Now compare this with my school’s guillotine which struggles to cut a few pieces of paper cleanly.
Last two cuts should have been the same. He fucked up.
They were the same. Just from opposite sides.
They weren’t the same. The cutter clearly jogs the last pile out to trim off the center waste. Had it been set to the final size before that cut. It would have trimmed the first pile. And then the outer pile with the last of the trim margin still attached would have had to be turned 180 degrees and then trimmed. Doing it this way would have assured that the outward jogging motion didn’t change anything from cut to cut.
When I was born my penis was so big this was how they had to cut my foreskin.
Far be it from me to criticize an entirely different person at performing their profession but **STOP PUTTING YOUR FINGERS PAST THE RED LINE! WHY DO YOU THINK THEY PUT IT THERE?!**
So you know where the cut is going to happen.
There's three levels of safety involved here. They're fine.
Love the smoothness of the cut. So satisfying.
Saw one of them during a tour of a print facility and it still gives me the shivers.
When the paper is made in France
How do they keep it sharp?
The blade i use is usually sent to a company that specializes in knife / blade sharpening.
Depending on the business, the shop itself who operates the cutter as their typically calling that guillotine will switch it out with another spare they have on hand.
It isn't for the faint of heart, I've done it once in my life on an older machine that doesn't have much in way safety devices.
How long does it take for the blade to get dull usually?
Depends on the material, my job makes food labels for packaging. Paper like I normally cut on my machine, we get 5 to 6 thousand cuts out of a knife, so 2 to 3 times a week. Other material like the foil backed plastic for vitamin water needs to be changed about ever 6 to 8 hours.
I want this job. I would happily do this all day. I bet that room smells like new text books… I want to go to there…
Take my word, it don't pay well depending on how big the business is.
My company pays well for our area but we are a big company running about running 18 various styles of cutters. The part that sucks is the sheets I cut are about 5' by 6' and weigh 4 to 6 hundred pounds. My back hurts...
You will be sadly disappointed
Unfortunately it smells more like solvent.
What are you making?
I used to work in a screen printing factory that had a couple of these, they are wild.
I kind of want to apply for this job lol
Volko would've escaped again.
I would watch a live stream of this machine all day long.
I think I would one hand this thing myself rather than putting both under
We used these machines at my last job to cut down sheets of uncut money from the Bureau of printing and engraving (we sold collectable sheets of uncut money 1*4).
It was pretty tense of $50 sheet days.
I'm so uncomfortable watching this.
As satisfying as this is, I fail to understand what exactly this is used for.
In today's times you'd think this could be hands-free!
I swear this gets posted once a day.
This is stressful
The most satisfying part of this was when the tech finally moved the stack so the blade wasn't going to cut the pages in the middle of the graphics.
The sound is very satisfying
POV: U are in french revolution
I can smell the ink now. Loved working in a print shop. Except when I got toner bombed once lol
You didn't back trim. Gonna be dusty af
Even the sound is satisfying
What was the tool that he aligned the paper with called? The one that kinda looked like a stamp and looks like it was made of dry cum mixed with resin?
Does anyone know what is done with the scraps?
Ours goes into a compactor and gets recycled
Now do it in a pitch black room while cutting photo paper to size.
I actually had to do that, and no you can't have a red light on.
man you really do not want to get your genitals anywhere near that thing