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[Cimini] Sheldon Rankins: “To change a culture is not easy, especially for a culture that has been lost for a long time.” #Jets

[Cimini] Sheldon Rankins: “To change a culture is not easy, especially for a culture that has been lost for a long time.” #Jets

UsedToBeBradfordTwo

Even outsiders who just got here know. It’s pretty fucked, but hey he chose to come here so more power to him if he thinks he can fix it.


SilverbackJet

Its guys like that who ultimately change the culture. Understanding that its going to be a tough journey and still choosing to sign.


ryanino

Yeah but I’d at least like to see progress, Sheldon.


hopefulbeliever

I mean he played well lol got a sack I'm pretty sure. He can do as much as he can


ryanino

I mean as a team. I agree, he played well.


jp886921

Teams better then last year. Defense is insanely better, despite being much younger. Offense is better outside QB. Carter is looking like a much more solid RB. They need to get a true #1 at WR and I wish they gave Mims a chance but if they use the picks on O line and a #1 the future looks bright/brighter. The hard part is Wilson. I hate him but that's who they NEED to stick to. Can't wasn't anymore high picks. Team needs star power. Hopefully after JD the next guy doesn't fit the team to bring in "his guys". Team needs to continue to build, not tare it all down.


MossCovered_Gradunza

Interesting take to "hate" Wilson. Certainly fair to question him, as it is to question any rookie quarterback until they dispel doubts. But "hate"?


orderfour

I also 'hate' wilson. I think he's got limitless potential. I also think his floor is far lower than most. He's the kind of guy that can bust out of the league in a year or 2 or become a HoF member. I'm not really a fan of swing for the fences type players unless you get them for a really good deal. 2nd overall isn't one of those good deals. I wanted to stick with Darnold and use picks like the #2 overall to trade down with or pick up pieces we needed.


jp886921

I guess I should say hate as a player/prospect or hate his current game. As a person he seems like a good kid, and if he can 180 his game I would love him as a leader for the team. I just think he was a very poor prospect out of a small school that needed a lot of time before starting and a lot of pcs already around him to shine.


scottcansuckmyballs

This may get a lot of hate, but the fans feed into this bad culture too. A lot of us are constantly waiting for something to go wrong (and I get it, historically it has) which is putting a lot of negative energy on this team. You think they don’t know how much their own fans shit on them? And then you expect them to fight hard for us? Put yourself in their shoes.


KosstAmojan

Look up "learned helplessness".


scottcansuckmyballs

Yes. This perfectly describes it. Thank you.


armylax20

I stopped going to games not bc the product is terrible, but bc the fans are so unbearable.


scottcansuckmyballs

I feel you. Part of it is just living in this part of the country i guess? People here are pretty stressed out. Everyone needs to smoke a joint and relax.


jonkoch68

Basically, too many people on the sub that wanted to keep Sam or draft fields were waiting for this moment and just want to take their victory lap. Yeah it was bad but basically a new everything, give it time and let the process continue


AbysswalkerX

If you were mad at fans for booing Zach after last weeks performance because he started slow im 100% with you because he’s a rookie. However there isn’t a team all the way down to the XFL that would get booed after their 4th interception. Jets fans wait for things to go wrong because they do at the beginning, middle and end of every season since at least 2009 and honestly much longer.


amb1889

These guys are paid handsomely and train rigourously to perform in a pressure filled situation. Part of the pressure is fans' expectations. It's part of the deal.


scottcansuckmyballs

You’re not wrong. But if the fans think they don’t contribute to the losing culture then they’re truly clueless. People are out here waiting for any slip-up to bury the team. Keep that same energy expecting different results. Good luck


amb1889

I just have problems with your statement because it's this immeasurable unprovable thing. When you say fans contributing to a losing culture are you talking about us having melties on Reddit? Are you talking about booing a shitty performance at home? If I'm spending my Sunday afternoon to watch this team and they perform like shit I'm not going to be worried that my negativity as a fan is going to put some bad juju on the team. One thing I will grant is that some people are psychos and tweet out nasty shit to players and what not. I think that could have some legs in what you're getting at but I would guess that's an exception and not the rule when it comes to fan negativity.


scottcansuckmyballs

I’m just talking about this mentality of thinking every bad thing that happens is an omen of eternal suffering. Some fans want to call an out after one strike (if my analogy makes sense). I’m not saying we need to be positive all the time or not ever express frustration, but when a large part of the fanbase is actively shitting on the team, saying they should clear house after two fucking games, etc., that has an effect on the psyche of the team. I truly believe that. Try being told you’re a worthless sack of shit *over and over again* and then go try to have confidence in doing your job. Not saying it’s all the fans fault by any means, but they 100% feed into the losing atmosphere.


amb1889

Now I'm starting to follow you. It's actually baffling to read the game thread and people are saying Wilson is a bust and so on. Like man, it's the second game for a team with a rookie head coach, rookie offensive coordinate, rookie QB against Bill Belichick who is notoriously difficult on rookie Qbs. I think that's frustrating as a fan but I still contend that that's part of the deal. If you are a player listening to the garbage that comes from this site or other social media then you're making a mistake. And that ultimately falls on the shoulder of the player and the coaching staff for not keeping them focused. Again I will concede stuff like Twitter/Instagram dms saying terrible things (death threats and other threats of violence) and people not showing up to games. I think the latter is more of a baseball thing but I remember the chargers in LA effectively not having any home games.


scottcansuckmyballs

Yeah but it’s not isolated to social media. The people behind those social media accounts do walk among us. They’re in the stands too. And even if it were just all Twitter talk, the players are human too. It’s fine to say they’re professionals and should block out the noise, but that’s not being realistic. It’s also not a locker room full of 35 year old men. There’s a lot of kids out there. I get that NYC is gritty and edgy and you need to be able to handle the pressure, but we also gotta give them a chance. At least that’s how I feel. Don’t put the voodoo on them, let them actually earn it. And no, two games worth of performance is not earning it. I’m sorry, that’s not how the NFL works. The variance from week to week is too great to assume we know everything about a team after two weeks.


bit99

"The variance from week to week is too great to assume we know everything about a team after two weeks." Um variation is real but we can call this Jets team the worst in football and that's an accurate statement


scottcansuckmyballs

Call ‘em whatever you like. Just my two cents.


bit99

You said give them a chance first. Every game is a chance. Let me ask you an honest question at what point is it appropriate to pass judgment on this team?


bit99

All the players have to do is their job at a basic level and they will get all the support they need. They are not going to get this support in advance, after losing 14 games last year


bit99

It's not arbitrary. The fans want to support a winner. The psyche of the team is bad because they are losers not because they don't have enough fan support. Wins can fix everything.


scottcansuckmyballs

Agree to disagree I guess


Mordyjuice

I have, I think to my self how awesome it must be to get paid millions of dollars for that level of excellence.


scottcansuckmyballs

And the majority aren’t making millions lmao


scottcansuckmyballs

You’d crumble under the pressure like a paper cup lol


Mordyjuice

I work in a hospital with shitty staffing, you know nothing about pressure. In the NFL you get paid millions with guaranteed staffing, and arguably no one dies. Meanwhile in a hospital RNs have dangerous assignments, maybe one PCT answering callbells for 30 patients, and sometimes people die because you can't be every where at once, and then instead of getting paid millions you might lose millions in a malpractice lawsuit. Dont talk to me about pressure lmao, you have no idea.


KosstAmojan

LOL. I'm in the same boat. Preach!


scottcansuckmyballs

I mean I’m sorry you have a tough job and all, but to compare that to the pressure of being an NFL player is silly. It’s not a dick measuring contest. You could never understand what it’s like to be in their place.


KvngDarius

Lmao you’re a clown. This guys job is to save lives and you’re saying a guy playing a sport has more pressure on them.


scottcansuckmyballs

Different types of pressure my guy. I also don’t think anyone’s hitting you with the intent of ending your life at the hospital, but what do I know 🤷‍♂️


KosstAmojan

> I also don’t think anyone’s hitting you with the intent of ending your life at the hospital Depends on where you hospital is. Lotta dicey neighborhoods out there and its not at all uncommon for stuff from the streets to spill into the ER.


scottcansuckmyballs

Fair point


Mordyjuice

It's very common to get assaulted in a hospital, between psych patients, detox patients, and patients with dementia. They have these fun things called Male only 1 to 1 Observation patients because they act violent toward staff. I've learned more about fighting than I knew before working in Healthcare I can tell you that, that includes 4 years playing Defensive Line in Highschool.


scottcansuckmyballs

Alright I hear you. I apologize for speaking out of hand. Just frustrated more so by the fans than the team, so I probably lashed out a bit when I shouldn’t have. I still don’t think their job is as rosy as you make it sound (the non-superstars anyway), but I hear you.


Mordyjuice

It's all good, hell if I knew what it could be like I probably never would have done it lol. Yeah its frustrating being a Jets fan, I'm beginning to see why people prefer College Football most of the televised games are good teams, if your team sucks for a season or 2 the rebuild is pretty quick, all these kids look great and have potential for the future. But the NFL, a team can just suck for decades until it turns around.


cut_throat_capybara

It’s lol Jets until it’s not. There really is no reason to be optimistic until the Jets aren’t embarrassing themselves every week


president_mal

The fans have fuck all to do with it. Give me a break. Are the subreddit mods out there throwing picks? Are they out there missing tackles and whiffing on draft picks? The only impact the fans have on the team is stadium atmosphere. The stadium was plenty loud today at the beginning. It only started getting quiet after pick #3.


scottcansuckmyballs

We talking about culture? Yeah, fans have something to do with it. If you don’t see that, that’s on you.


Noclue23

With a president mal username lol, stay angry bubba


bit99

Adams got everything he wanted. Meanwhile maye got screwed. The jets did not do the right thing with Adams


president_mal

My username is a testament to how dogshit this team has been for the past decade. That has nothing to do with the fans and everything to do with terrible management. How else are the fans supposed to react to supporting literally the worst team in football over the past 10 years??


GawdHawks

The player you stan is not very good


president_mal

I agree with you now, but you wouldn't have been saying that 3 years ago when I made this account... Every Jets fan loved Adams then


zibocratic

Not that it will ever make a difference in the long run but the booing the first home game of the season towards a rookie QB and youngest team in football is just bad. We've been shit for 10 years, why continue putting this bad energy towards the squad. I think we should support this group until they give us a reason not to. Growing pains and rookie mistakes is not a valid reason to boo. This team was not winning more than 6 games even if everything went right this season.


bit99

Payment of the ticket price entitles people to boo. This sub is like communist China we have to be so positive all the time. Why censor ourselves? For the sake of the team success? Here's the news they were going to lose that game when they released the schedule. The attitude of the fans did not move the needle either way


Bnb53

Fans need a check for sure but the media is just exhausting. The pregame show featured rookie qbs minus Zach. When they got to Mac Jones they said he was amazing last week but didn't get the W, he should get it this week against the Jets. The other QBs didn't get narratives like that but since it's the LOL Jets they skip their QB and chalk it up to an L.. in hindsight I get there was a lot of truth but if you need a team to stop being same old Jets, media should stop perpetuating that too.


scottcansuckmyballs

I don’t have an issue with media being critical if they’re actually analyzing the product. What annoys me is how people use the Jets as a punching bag when it doesn’t even make sense, just because it’s the Jets.


Bnb53

Yes totally agree it's not even good story writing anymore. Like how Tlaw to the Jets would be ruined but Tlaw to the jags would rewrite their franchise. But once Jets blew the pick by winning too much it was - Jets blow for winning - those idiots, and back on the Tlaw train being great. My biggest disappointment as a Jets fan is that we can't get some low expectation, soft fan positive writing. Like employ a HS kid to write fluff pieces at a middle school level. I'd eat that shit up.


bit99

So you want puff piece journalism so you can live in blissful ignorance? It's not the worst idea except that they play the game so sooner or later


Bnb53

Have you ever watched small market coverage of teams? I've lived in Jax and now in Denver and regardless of how bad the teams are the media coverage has a sense of "we support this team through thick and thin". NY coverage is just straight poison


bit99

Washington has the type of coverage that you are talking about. Snyder revokes the press passes of those who dare to write a bad story. Maybe that's more pleasant for the players but it's not like Washington is a good franchise because they get friendly press. It becomes a fake atmosphere and football is played in the real world. I can't speak on Denver or Jacksonville but I would rather we spoke freely on the subject not pretend everything is awesome when it's not


Bnb53

Definitely not looking for blanket homer coverage but it would be nice to get positive coverage. Like "bad game but here's some good to dissect - Mosley was everywhere, line played much better, here's what to root for next week"


bit99

Those articles come out on Tuesday on NYJ.com. That's some EA Eric Allen type coverage. The people writing (and reading) Sunday have just witnessed an atrocity


Bnb53

Yeah but why can't the hot take be "Jets new QB lives on the edge" vs "Jets have 3 out of 4 qbs who threw for 0 tds and 4 ints" I get on paper Wilson statistically matched Darnold and Sanchez but the game play is completely different. Wilson seems to want to live in the 20-30 range vs the check down range. We haven't had an aggressive QB in years and he's not that far off from connecting on those aggressive plays. So the narrative isn't Jets got the same QB, they have the same problem and different root causes. But the writing is lazy and that ruins the nuance.


DrAcula_MD

Bullshit, no matter how bad we think we are and how bad we think we're going to play we are all still so hopeful during the off-season. Everyone including me thinks we're going to be great every August. It just always goes to shit before October


bit99

This is an absolutely garbage take. They put negative energy on us by being terrible.


scottcansuckmyballs

It’s a two-way street.


bit99

The fans who showed up to watch that garbage went above and beyond in terms of faith. The fans did not their job. The players did not


Cowboy_Spaceship

I went to the game yesterday and this is so true...I felt like the only person cheering for the defense every play...the crowd was out of it, just waiting for a big play after our challenge got picked up on the second play....the crowd wasn't ever truely into the game after that point


DeepDownBodyThurst

SO TRUE


thisisthesaleh

This type of statement is on nothing but the Johnson’s. They turned this organization into a losing one. I hope these guys can be the ones to turn it around despite them


danomite555

It was a losing organization before the Johnsons bought the team. Shit, the first decade under Woody was the most successful in franchise history since the 60s.


thisisthesaleh

And now they’re leading the worst stretch in franchise history. That’s on them. This current iteration where Jets players know they’re a shit organization to play for is on the Johnson’s


danomite555

It's been a shit show well before they were here. Saying that it's on them is just writing off the other issues. They're not helping but are far from the root of the problem.


bit99

It's on the Johnsons because they don't pay for home grown talent


orderfour

The first decade under Woody was a rock solid team put together before he showed up. All he had to do was not get in the way. He got in the way.


Sad-Professional-255

The great thing about being a Jets fans is knowing it can and likely will get worse


Bnb53

Waiting for the next major injury. Waiting for the big lead to be blown. Waiting for the turnaround midseason just to be let down in the stretch.


jonkoch68

Culture takes years to establish.... yet so many people out here calling for everything to be burned down again... yeah today was bad, take it to the chin and move on


Mordyjuice

Wait a second here, what culture is there to change exactly, the coaching staff is brand new, a lot of the active roster is brand new, I'd argue it would be harder not to change the culture at this point.


UsedToBeBradfordTwo

The “not winning football games” one


KosstAmojan

Jesus, week 2 and these guys already have 1000 yard stares and are spouting philosophy.


UsedToBeBradfordTwo

I don’t get it. Poor team culture is a legitimate thing. I mean, look at the Mets. Even a new multi billionaire owner couldn’t just magically cure decades of losing and inept decision making.


Salem1976

Words of wisdom right there.


Inhumanly_possible

After listening to endless and undeserved positive comments from the Mets as the season burned its a pleasure to here someone speak some truth. Change of ducking hard and you have to find a way to acknowledge and the shit that lead you to where you are before you move forward.


gulag_12345

Fire Saleh.