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Almost every nurse in my COVID hit ICU is unvaccinated

Almost every nurse in my COVID hit ICU is unvaccinated

ajax55

Now that it’s FDA approved maybe your facility will mandate the vaccine.


evdczar

My state mandated it before the FDA approval. More states need to get on board.


macavity_is_a_dog

So far CA, NY, WA - who else?


snoopydogdog2

Maryland.


Nicostaqui

Oregon.


tamsu123

CT Well not state but all the hospitals collectively decided to mandate it


littledingusbigbrain

AZ


nyum125

Nah


bepbep747

Maine. And the antivaxx nurses have been staging protests against the mandate, it's insane. What is ironic is that most of them are right wing politically, but they are bringing "my body my choice " signs to the protests even though this demographic tends to be against abortion. I guess body autonomy only conveniently applies to them, but a woman shouldn't be allowed to terminate a pregnancy.


fubarbox

Sadly mandates are a joke. It is hot in the blue state (with mandates) where I am with COVID and there is a facility that is approving all religious exemptions without looking at them. They are just taking them and putting them into a drawer and will only look into them if they are audited by the state for them. Encouraging the ant-vaxed to stay unvaxxed.


tzroberson

New York just abolished religious exemptions for HCW. Hopefully, other states will follow. https://www.weny.com/story/44609832/nys-doh-approves-vaccine-mandate-for-health-care-workers-no-religious-exemption


JorgeCastanza

They will double down in the south, especially Florida and Texas.We have a lot of dumb, gullible, ignorant people here...


tzroberson

Well, yes, I don't really expect Abbott and DeSantis to follow suit. Florida nursing homes are worried that federal mandates from CMS are just going to cause them to lose staff. It's a valid fear but still, how are you going to work for nursing homes and refuse vaccine. We've been watching people in homes die left and right of Covid for 18 months. Don't you want to protect your residents? My sister was an MA at a clinic that primarily serviced nursing homes until she was laid off recently. It seems the doctor is likely to just retire after they lost so much business from everyone dying and people not exactly rushing to put their parents in homes. So there's a shortage of staff but also a shortage of residents. We might as well protect the residents who have no other choice but to live there. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-florida-nursing-homes-protest-covid-vaccine-mandate-20210828-fv7yvodxwrg4xncwtadgml74kq-story.html


o0o_Queen_o0o

That's quite terrifying 😟 the worst place for it to spread in the hospital is ICU, if staff get sick there's no other staff to replace critical staff immediately. I would of thought they would have a lot more sense to not only protect themselves but their patients too.


procastiplanner

We have a high vaccination rate and 13 people RNs and RTs and our vaccinated pregnant secretary are out sick covid positive right now. Almost all of them vaccinated. I can’t imagine what that unit will look like if something happens.


two_of_cents

Do you happen to know when they were vaccinated? Early on (Jan-Mar) or more recent?


procastiplanner

Most of us were early. A lot of them also had recent vacations but I’ll be honest we aren’t strict about our break room rules many of us in there sometimes snacking or eating lunch at once and I’m kind of thinking I won’t be in there on my lunch. I’ll start going to my car to eat.


two_of_cents

I’ve been wondering if it is the vaccine efficacy (antibody production) waning over time since initial completed vaccination (mRNA). Hence the foreseen rollout of “booster” vaccinations. Also with consideration to the following scenarios: 1. Healthy + No previous infection + fully vaccinated + breakthrough infection 2. Healthy + No previous infection + partially vaccinated + (breakthrough) infection 3. Healthy + Previous infection + fully vaccinated + breakthrough infection 4 . Healthy + Previous infection + partially vaccinated + (breakthrough) infection 5. Risk (Lo/Med/Hi) + No Previous Infection + Fully Vaccinated + breakthrough infection 6. Risk (Lo/Med/Hi) + No Previous infection + partially vaccinated + (breakthrough) infection 7. Known Immunocompromised + No Previous infection + fully vaccinated + breakthrough infection 8. Known Immunocompromised + No previous infection + partially vaccinated + (breakthrough) infection 9. Known Immunocompromised + Previous infection + fully vaccinated + breakthrough infection 10. Known immunocompromised + Previous infection + partially vaccinated + (breakthrough) infection (Please note: I put (breakthrough) with partially vaccinated, because I don’t know if these are being classified as such since it is likely that the person would be scaled at a higher risk to contract the virus due to not being fully vaccinated and due to the amount of time required to initiate and build antibody response once initially vaccinated, but not fully vaccinated). If considering only fully vaccinated, the partially vaccinated persons could be excluded. When considering reported hospitalizations and deaths, I would like to know if these are consistently reported per facility, per state and nationally (in the U.S.). Other Variables: Unknown immunocompromised at vaccination (with lowered or no antibody production) Mitigation efforts or lack thereof Viral load due to exposure(s) Time lapsed since vaccination (fully)


procastiplanner

Interesting scenarios. You know I will say most of us had had discussions when mask mandates ended in our area and almost all of us stated we weren’t going to stop wearing our masks. I personally and a few of my coworkers was excited and anxious about getting a booster the moment it’s offered to me. I do think this outbreak has been a dose of reality for all us on being extra diligent outside of just caring for known positive patients and paying more attention to other behaviors like I mentioned our break room and eating/drinking in the nurses station etc.


two_of_cents

That makes sense also. I think the additional mitigation efforts are worth it and hope more people choose to employ them the best they can to reduce as much spread as possible. Also... I like your username!


Dr_PuddinPop

Most of my ED was before January for first shot, some early January. A fair amount are testing positive. Anecdotal evidence of course. Granted a bunch of my coworkers need to go back to wearing n-95s more consistently


two_of_cents

Yeah. I’ve heard a lot of speculation from multiple sources about rationales for why we’re having the breakthroughs and I wondered about the length of time since vaccination and antibody production.


ohmicorazoninwv

I work with a nurse whose retired and puts in a few per diem Hours, she spent a large amount of time volunteering at vaccine clinics. She said that age group had the lowest numbers of vaccines given. I think a lot of it has to do with all the infertility myths, personally. It’s always a shock To me though, Especially critical care RNs


LumpiestEntree

They are absolutely not smart people


nuevaorleans

It’s such a crazy paradox of anti-science healthcare workers. 96% of physicians are vaccinated. Less than 50% of nurses are vaccinated. As of end of June 2021. [source](https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2021/06/28/covid19-vaccination-rates-are-poor-among-healthcare-workershow-can-we-do-better/) The most common reason is claiming the vaccine was rushed and not having enough information about what is in it. Well it’s your job to get educated on what is in it, how it works, why it’s effective, why urgency means a safe vaccine can be rolled out quicker than usual. And the worst is it’s making the public think: “do they know something we don’t?” No, they’re not as smart as they should be, and they’re selfish.


FearOfALiberalPlanet

And with the push within nursing as a profession (at the undergraduate/graduate level) to do research, you’d think that these people would actually **do some fucking research** on the matter.


TicTacKnickKnack

I'm not sure how you can expect nurses to do their own research with the limited education they have in the basic sciences. You can go from ADN->PhD in nursing at my school stopping at BSN and MSN and finish the whole pathway with only *five* basic science courses (reluctantly including nutrition). I don't think it's surprising that PhDs who have only completed intro to chem 1 (for non-majors), basic stats (for non-majors), nutrition, anatomy, and physiology cannot interpret the studies about the mRNA vaccines. I have taken all of these courses as part of my cell and molecular biology degree here and none of the courses required by nursing students even teach the central dogma of molecular biology. It's no wonder that nurses can be convinced that RNA affects DNA when they were never taught how RNA fits into the chain of events between DNA and proteins. I wholeheartedly respect nurses, but this whole misinformation problem in the field is just the natural result of watered down degrees that don't teach much after the ADN. If you want nurses to be scientifically literate, you *have to* teach them basic science.


StankoMicin

This. The nursing school curriculum needs a serious overhaul. It needs more clinical and scientifically relevant info and less touchy feely nursing theory bullshit


FearOfALiberalPlanet

I was thinking about this the other day…wtf is the point of all these frilly fancy-ass nursing theories about patient care if patient populations now are going to scoff at the results of a double-blind RCT yet take iver-fuckin-mectin because they read about it on their COVID ‘truther’ circlejerk, I mean, group on facebook?


FearOfALiberalPlanet

While I don’t disagree with you, or any point you made (I too, would love to see a curriculum more akin to med school) the ‘research’ I was specifically referring to was reviewing published peer-reviewed literature (one cannot even get a BSN without becoming versed in using CINAHL or PubMed) or better yet reviewing meta-analysis or summaries (Cochran database, EBSCO). See the *6S Hierarchy of Evidence Sources*. Damn, even breezing through UpToDate is going to spell it out for the dipshits in the back about the efficacy and safety of the mRNA vaccines. I’m currently in an MSN program, literally every assignment/paper requires multiple current (<5yo) published (so peer-reviewed) sources. My BSN was similar in structure. So how someone who got a college degree having to think critically for every assignment, and then work in patient care settings having to think critically everyday, can then think *”vaccines bad! ivermectin good!”* is beyond me.


Levlove

I think you’re overestimating the curriculum in some for-profit BSN programs.


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I feel the need to [give some context to this statistic. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/p4jro1/only_50_of_nurses_are_vaccinated_is_not_true/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)It’s not accurate.


Kkmackage

My hospital (HUGE system in NYC) sends out periodically percentage of each profession vaccinated (management, nurses, MDs, house staff etc) and last I had checked it was 98% of physicians and 43% of nurses 🤦🏼‍♀️ house staff was really high, can’t remember the exact percentage but over 90%. I’m not even sure who that means? Environmental, security, kitchen etc? Idk


yeetyfeety32

Except they can't provide any studies with that link and it's just tiktok bullshit.


REIRN

[Here’s ](https://www.nursingworld.org/news/news-releases/2021/american-nurses-foundation-releases-comprehensive-survey-about-nurses/) a link to an ANA study. The tiktokers point still stands- Forbes didn’t provide any source to their numbers whatsoever, a shit article.


yeetyfeety32

That's a link to an article, not a study.


REIRN

If you read the article, it links the survey. Unlike Forbes. [Let me copy and paste that for you.](https://www.nursingworld.org/practice-policy/work-environment/health-safety/disaster-preparedness/coronavirus/what-you-need-to-know/year-one-covid-19-impact-assessment-survey/)


yeetyfeety32

You mean a survey with no statistical analysis or peer review? That doesn't make it a study.


REIRN

You mean a Forbes claim with no citation or source for their claims? That doesn’t even make it a substantial claim.


REIRN

Didn’t say it was a peer reviewed study. Suspect that you’ll criticize and split hairs on the use of my word “study” but you see nothing wrong with forbes not citing a very important claim or linking a reputable survey. You’re driving away from my point. Again, above is a link to an ARTICLE about a reputable survey that shows over 70% vaccination rate, in Jan/feb.


yeetyfeety32

70% partially or fully only 48% fully vaccinated. It also skews to a demographic that is older, whiter, more educated, and was very uneven in geographic areas surveyed. There is also that little bit at the bottom that says "These surveys used convince sampling; results are not generalizable" Not even close to a study, and no actual researcher would take that data seriously.


REIRN

Again, would love to see you take this passion and scrutinize the Forbes article and their 300 physician pool (and absolutely no source for the RN claim) vs the 22k RN pool from the ANA study. By your standards, no one should be giving Forbes a second glance.


REIRN

And it’s a study (it’s extrapolating data from a survey they cite and putting it into context).


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yeetyfeety32

It just keeps getting spread on this sub and it's a stupid video with no backing to it. We're supposed to follow science and people fall for it both ways with unsupported bs.


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yeetyfeety32

Yes, it has no sources to it and it's just "this isn't legit cause I said so"


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yeetyfeety32

She didn't provide a study, if you follow it is another article that has no study to it. 300 is a representative sample in a population that size, and the study of nurses was done by the ana showing that rate. Literally everything in that video is bullshit.


REIRN

[Here’s ](https://www.nursingworld.org/news/news-releases/2021/american-nurses-foundation-releases-comprehensive-survey-about-nurses/) a survey from the ANA.


Sookaryote

Yes! If everyone could stop using that statistic, it’s be great. Thanks


dwanton90

Thank you! Basing the 96% off of such a small group makes me crazy. This nurse researched lol Also I'm definitely vaccinated I just dont like this 96% thing floating around when the study I read was 96% of a group of 300 ish physicians.


yeetyfeety32

It's statistically significant and we can be very confident in that being representative.


dwanton90

300 docs can represent the entire profession?


yeetyfeety32

Yes, it's about 980,000 docs in the US and you can say with a 95% confidence interval and a 5.5% error you only need a sample size of 300 people. Stats are great and should be a part of nursing school. The bigger point is that when a study is accepted by professional orgs don't disagree just because you think a number isn't legit when you don't understand it.


REIRN

That Forbes article is complete shit and doesn’t cite a source to the nurses vaccination rate claim. [This survey ](https://www.nursingworld.org/news/news-releases/2021/american-nurses-foundation-releases-comprehensive-survey-about-nurses/) from the ANA reports roughly 70% of nurses are vaccinated. Way more reputable than Forbes garbage. Edit: and this was in Jan/feb so I’m willing to bet the numbers only grew as the vaccine rolled out.


SadiraAmell

This is alarming, but how do you differentiate between vaxxed and unvaxxed? If it's masks (let's say your hospital requires unvaxxed to wear N95s, and vaxxed to wear surgical masks), then the perspective may not be accurate. I'm fully vaxxed, was one of the first in my hospital to get vaxxed, since early January, but I CHOOSE to wear an N95 all shift because I. Don't. Trust. Anyone. If it's not masks and they're parading around with a big "U" on their scrubs, similar to the Scarlet Letter, disregard my comment, lol.


Paper_sack

My hospital made us new badges that say we’re Covid 19 vaccinated and then deactivated our old ones. It’s pretty easy to see who’s not vaxxed.


itsmylameusername

They’re going to give us badge stickers at our facility.


CanIgetHooyahz

Sticker


hopemilligan

we have stickers for our badges! we do the same with flu vaccines every year too


Thebeardinato462

This person works on a COVID unit. Hopefully they are all wearing N95’s


Kkmackage

Same! I think people assume I’m not vaccinated because I wear an n95 and face shield and only eat and drink outside lol


coloradodoc

I think the idea that big pharma is earning money off the vaccine as a reason to not get vaccinated / part of some conspiracy theory is sort of a moot point bc big pharma has ALWAYS been earning big money off every drug administered. Why the outrage about the vaccine then 🤦🏻‍♂️


Twovaultss

Unvaccinated nurses are a disgrace to our profession. BON where you at?


REIRN

Don’t kid yourself, they are not smart.


StankoMicin

Who is profiting when the vaccine is free of charge?


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StankoMicin

Techincally yes but still.The people arent being charged for the shot and taxes have not increased drastically. How does that translate to massive profits for Big pharma? Why would the government participate in a Big Pharma grift?


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StankoMicin

Yes. Money has been exchanged. The vaccine is free 100% and the people who worked hard on it deserved to be compensated for their literal world saving efforts. But does this justify someone writing it off as "Just a ploy for money"? And thus not taking it in order to get on over on Big pharma? Especially when each individual is not being charged a dime for it? Thats what my point was addressing.


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StankoMicin

Thank you for clarifying. However, I never disagreed that pharm companies are profiting. Any situation will result in somebody profiting. But all that is is just a transfer of money to one entity for no reason. If the government's money is our money then how do they benefit by giving it all to pharn companies which will then in turn funnel it back into the communitu anyways as it does them no good to just horde money and not spend it.


Prudent_Show_8643

Vaccinated Hospital wide here 76%, but ICU I work in only 34% (including me) apparently. I'm not sure if this includes all staff or just nurses. Either way 😔


EnvironmentalRock827

This makes me mad. As does giving exceptions for mandates. No religion can claim to be anti vax as the subject wasn't even around when religious tomes were written. Also the alternative some places are giving is testing. Ffs I just read it takes up to 2 days once you pick up the virus for it to show up on a test. That said, they will infect many unknowingly.


red-chickpea

If you don’t mind me asking what area are you in and has anyone caught it yet?


Terbatron

They aren’t that smart…


Hutchoman87

The jab is mandatory where I work. And those whom aren’t vaccinated, cannot work in any COVID area. Y’all coworkers are straight up ridiculous and contradict themselves by being nurses!


Levlove

That makes me mad and makes me feel like it will just discourage people from getting the vaccine. If it gets someone out of taking covid patients, why incentivizes declining.


Hutchoman87

No vaccine means no job. So there is not that much incentive in this climate


unnewl

I’d rather the unvaccinated actually work in Covid areas instead of spreading Covid to those who do already have it.


starwestsky

Terrifying. Be careful with your PPE and When everyone is out with Covid, go for a crazy raise. Like ask for an insane amount of money. Oh, or quit because that sounds like a nightmare place to work.


justadubliner

They aren't smart people.


Irritable_Avenger

Quit. Go work as a mercenary travel nurse. Let them deal with their own.


tedthebear2020

What’s the process to put someone on a ventilator? Like what are the requirements?