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[Schefter] Cowboys’ RT La'el Collins, who will miss the first of what is scheduled to be a five-game suspension, is appealing and citing excused absences for his missed drug tests, per sources.

[Schefter] Cowboys’ RT La'el Collins, who will miss the first of what is scheduled to be a five-game suspension, is appealing and citing excused absences for his missed drug tests, per sources.

PotRoastBoobs

>One missed test came last November on the day that Cowboys strength and conditioning coach Markus Paul died, and the organization sent all its players home to allow them to grieve. >Another missed test came on the day of Collins' uncle's funeral in Arizona, according to a source. The Cowboys gave Collins permission to leave Dallas and tend to his family, the source told ESPN. >A third missed test came on the day Collins underwent hip surgery last October. The league counted a positive test for codeine against him, but Collins was prescribed the drug after undergoing the hip surgery. >Collins didn't have any positive marijuana tests during the past 18 months. His representatives also have argued that under the drug policy in the new collective bargaining agreement, suspensions aren't permitted for missed tests.


PRsAndDR

Came here to call BS like the rest of the players who "didn't know what supplement they took" but that all sounds pretty legitimate.


TheRockisthebest

Yeah and these should be pretty easy to verify. If it all lines up like Collins says, then he should be allowed to play.


crastle

He should also be retroactively paid for the games he missed.


Dworfe

Not to be a dick since a lot of those absences are for legitimate reasons but I’m pretty sure players have been accommodated wherever they are traveling to when they aren’t able to take the test at the facility. [Kirk Cousins had them come to his in-laws house for a drug test once](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kirk-cousins-had-the-most-disastrous-drug-test-ever-but-he-passed/) Wouldn’t be surprised if Collins was supposed to re-schedule those tests.


WickieWillem

He was taking [10 tests a month](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-lael-collins-hopeful-suspension-could-be-lifted-continues-to-fight-for-further-appeal/) for a year and a half lol what’s the point in rescheduling a couple tests when you’re taking that many a month anyway


jumykn

Coupled with the fact that he wasn't suspended for missed tests, but rather "failure to cooperate", I think he has a solid case. If I missed 7 out of approximately 180 tests which were mostly excused absences, I don't see how you could say I was uncooperative.


Dworfe

Turns out “failure to cooperate” is just a nice way of saying “tried to bridge the drug tester”.


jumykn

Hey, turns out they withheld info. That's definitely non-cooperation.


Dworfe

No information was withheld. Collins was suspended for 5 games after the NFL found out he tried to bribe the collector. The NFL and NFLPA worked together to reduce the suspension to 2 games. Collins appealed and the arbiter, with the knowledge that Collins missed tests AND tried to bribe the collector, increased the suspension back to the original 5. The NFL knew from the moment they suspended him that he tried to bribe the collector. Non-cooperation covers both the missed tests and the bribes.


jumykn

Collins' camp withheld the info on bribery. Nothing I said was invalid based on the information we had publicly.


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jumykn

The NFL cannot suspend you for missing tests. They suspend you for not cooperating with the substance abuse protocols. Missing 7/180 tests with excused absences is a stretch to call uncooperative.


Dworfe

> The NFL cannot suspend you for missing tests. You must be new here.


jumykn

>Collins didn't have any positive marijuana tests during the past 18 months. His representatives also have argued that under the drug policy in the new collective bargaining agreement, suspensions aren't permitted for missed tests. It's a CBA issue. Again, they literally didn't suspend him for missed tests. They suspended him under the argument that those 7 missed tests constitutes uncooperative behavior. There's no definition in the drug policy as to how many or what percentage of tests constitutes being uncooperative but Collins' representation has a good case considering the following factors: 1. He hasn't failed a single test (around 170 of them) in a year and a half and is unlikely to have been trying to hide anything. He would have been tested subsequent to those missed tests. 1. The sheer amount of tests he was taking doesn't suggest he's uncooperative and the amount of missed tests is miniscule compared to the successful ones. 1. They can't really establish a pattern of behavior given that many of the missed tests came on days of excused absences beyond his control. Given that missing tests isn't in and of itself able to get you suspended, the NFL is going to have to argue on appeal that the 7 tests constitutes a pattern of behavior in which Collins was intentionally not cooperating with the substance abuse policy. Given that there's no specific measurements in the drug policy language, I find it hard to believe this is going to stand on the foundation of 4% of his total tests.


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jumykn

I don't disagree with that but the NFL has specific and less stringent rules on what constitutes a violation. I definitely don't want businesses to start having the same rules for employees as the law does for criminals.


gualdhar

What drug could possibly be in and out of someone's body in three days?


onafriday

A lot of things lol Anything with a half life under 3-5 hours. Just multiply it by 5.5 and you have a rough estimate of how many hours it will take to clear your system. If it’s a urinalysis there’s also a few things you can do to accelerate it while remaining within the thresholds for the test. Dose dependent etc but tl;dr tons of stuff


gualdhar

That doesnt make sense. Cocaine has a half life of 50 minutes but it can be found in a urine test 4 days later.


onafriday

Because they test for the metabolites. A lot of drugs aren’t processed by the body and are excreted in the form they entered the body. Other drugs are metabolized, broken down, into other things that can be tested for. Alcohol has a short half life but it’s metabolites can be detected for 3-4 days


districtdathi

Most hard drugs, actually. Pot is the only one I can think of that takes longer than 3-5 days to clean out of your system.


Dworfe

Doesn’t really matter. My buddy from high school had his probation revoked when he missed a drug test even though he pissed clean a few days before and clean a day after he missed his test. At the end of the day, the issue doesn’t seem to be a failed test but rather multiple missed tests that were not rescheduled. Sounds shitty but I can’t see how Collins wins this appeal when the NFL CBA regarding substances and drug testing has a contingency plan for testing away from the facility.


Dworfe

No point in rescheduling the test when you can just bribe the tested lmao


WickieWillem

I mean how was I supposed to know that at the time? Weird that you came back to this like a week later lmao


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WickieWillem

Ok well I was wrong obviously. Don’t really know what you want from me


PoorlyLitKiwi2

If everything he claims is true, I'm struggling to figure out how the suspension has gone this far. Why do excused misses still count towards suspension? Did he not tell anyone he was at a funeral or something?


I-V-vi-iii

Kirk Cousins had them meet him at his in-laws for a test once, so I'm wondering if Collins didn't follow procedure? Like maybe they would have been excused but he just no-showed or failed to follow-up and reschedule?


SirDiego

I'm now imagining a team of lab technicians just turning up to his uncle's funeral like "Sorry bruh, but *rules are rules*."


jumykn

He was suspended for failure to cooperate, not missing tests. Cousins doesn't get tested as many times if he's not in protocol. For him, missing one random test without making up could be seen as uncooperative. Collins getting this suspension means he was already in protocol and subject to approximately 10 tests per month. Missing 7 out of approx. 180 tests with excused absences is hardly uncooperative.


Dworfe

Probably has to do with the bribes.


Dworfe

Because even if you have an excused absence, that doesn’t necessarily mean you get to skip that days drug test. Players are supposed to coordinate off site testing if they are not at the facility. Edit: downvote me all you want but the CBA clearly outlines contingency plans for testing players who are away from the facility. I can’t see Collins winning this appeal.


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Dworfe

Real great discussion.


Honztastic

There's no 5 game suspension anywhere in the policy. Now there are harsher penalties for the amount of missed tests, BUT if they're arguing "I missed 7, but 4 were okayed as excused and really its 3 missed tests" then he should have an argument. But it's the NFL versus a Cowboy. They don't stay reasonable.


J-Colio

Also, he's been tested every other day for 10 months.


CappyMorgan26

The article I read said 10 times a month for the past 18 months


maxorama

I hear he had to pre test his post tests uphill both ways in the snow.


excreto2000

Yo dawg we heard you like tests so we put a test on your tests so you could test while you test


MrCooper2012

Ah so *only* every 3 days.


General_Lee_speaking

One week later. Shit got real weird.


BidenWonDontCry

Yeah, as a football team fan I don't know what more he could've done. What's the point of excusing absences?


kswitch5022

Knowing the NFL they will uphold the suspension. When have they ever corrected a mistake they made?


_tx

Maybe knock it down to 4 games. Full on reversal? Yeah, the NFL won't do it


FridgesArePeopleToo

/r/agedlikemilk


jaybudday

Duane Brown back in 2016 won his appeal for a 10 game suspension with tainted meat in Mexico.


huntzy

They did in this situation for a 49ers CB last November. Whyy do so many people on the NFL subreddit hate the NFL?


TetrisTech

Because the NFL makes stupid fucking decisions time and time again. It isn’t that hard to understand dude lmao


SpartyParty15

Dumbass


Mannings4head

His agent spoke out last week about how the league has handled the suspension > “We are extremely disappointed in how the NFL has handled this entire matter from trampling on Mr. Collins rights to prematurely releasing the information knowing a timely appeal was filed to intentionally misleading the court at the hearing,” Schaffer said in a statement. “The extent and effort the NFL went to to accomplish its ends is appalling.” > Ian Rapoport of NFL Media has said that it’s his understanding that Collins was suspended for missing drug tests. “Essentially, failure to appear,” Rapoport tweeted. > However, the policy does not permit a suspension for mere “failure to appear.” The language adopted in 2020 allows a suspension only for a fourth or subsequent instance of “failure to cooperate with testing or clinical care.” > An arbitrator has ruled against Collins, but Schaffer has filed another appeal. Based on Schaffer’s statement, it appears that Collins among other things takes issue regarding the manner in which the league presented the evidence. [Link](https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/10/lael-collinss-agent-is-extremely-disappointed-with-leagues-handling-of-his-suspension/amp/)


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

>Based on Schaffer’s statement, it appears that Collins among other things takes issue regarding the manner in which the league presented the evidence. Wait, you mean a party to an arbitration presented evidence in a way that would help it win the case? *gasp*


limeypepino

Coach died? Fuck you, drug test. Uncle died? Fuck you, drug test Surgery? Fuck you, drug test.


mohiben

Drug test? Fuck you, drug test.


benjals

Straight to jail


OhZone17

Hello Pauly


Butthole--pleasures

I'm gonna go get the urine cup, get the urine cup *fixes necktie*


OhZone17

Tommy Two-tests


Dworfe

Im sure bribing the drug tester was the most logical solution.


limeypepino

Ooo... fun, I get my own r/agedlikemilk comment.


slackator

was gonna ask whats the likelihood of him missing multiple test dates and not just one, but after reading this Id say hes got a pretty good case. Too bad the NFL lawyers wont care and just stick to nonsense zero tolerance and the NFLPA probably wont do much better


Dworfe

Care to revise this comment?


flame7926

Normally I'm skeptical, but those do seem like pretty genuine excuses. Now why they weren't rescheduled, I have no idea


predw

Surely there’s a process for circumstances like that, right? Like he notifies them that he isn’t able to take the test for whatever reason and they re-schedule or they go to wherever he is?


gimpisgawd

Yeah. Pat McAfee said you have to notify them off where you're going and they'll find a place for you to go test. Kirk Cousins had them show up at either his parents or inlaws house at like 5 in the morning to take one. Rescheduling probably isn't an option though.


Idontcare4808

You’d have to imagine there’s something in place, right? Add that to the fact that he’s passed 100+ tests during the same timeframe, like cmon, let the dude play.


TheWholeEnchelada

That’s what I don’t get. If he misses 3/3 tests it’s a problem, if he misses 3/50 tests, and the tests came back negative, why is there a problem? And it would have to be some pretty slick juice to disappear in that short of a time frame…


CappyMorgan26

When you are being tested 10 times a month what's the point? If he's out of town for a funeral he probably already has another test to take as soon as he gets back


limeypepino

Seriously 10x a month? How do you reschedule when you already get tested almost every 3 days? Just piss in two cups on the same day?


leehouse

Strict adherence to the letter of the rules is the point, and why they will likely uphold the suspension. It is shitty and I think they should reduce it/get rid of it and an important aspect is did the timing of the tests reasonably stop a positive test. Given 10 tests a month I'd guess not but I'm not super knowledgeable about drug testing.


nyuhokie

Based on previous reports, it sounds like he's been getting tested every few days for a while now (12-18 months maybe). Unless you plan to test him twice on the same day, there isn't a lot of room to reschedule.


joseaverage

They were testing him 10 times a month, or roughly every three days. When could they possibly reschedule? Now, the the NFLs point, he missed 7. He's gave excuses for three. Maybe it's about the four tests he missed with no excuse.


ProMark15

Even then the rule states that’s not equal to a 5 game suspension


joseaverage

Good point. I was not familiar with the rule.


5HeadedBengalTiger

Why was he being tested that often? Is he in the substance abuse program or whatever?


joseaverage

Yes


Ryekar

There's another article that says 2 of the more recent ones were days that the cowboys sent everyone home due to covid outbreaks. Too many positives so they shut down for the day.


-Champloo-

You don't need to re-schedule them when he's legit tested every 3 days lol


HeavyCoreTD

Remember when this guy was a 1st round draft pick, but went undrafted because news broke on the day of the draft a pregnant woman with whom he previously had a relationship was murdered? He was not considered a suspect in the crime at all and still got fucked. This guy just has terrible luck sometimes.


jlees88

Sounds like he tries to make his own luck, good or bad.


Nerveex

The absolute worse thing about this whole shit is we still don’t get him for today’s game even if he wins his appeal, if players are in appeals they should be able to play


TheDakestTimeline

Zeke got to during his ordeal


bradasskg11

Deshaun Watson suspended indefinitely for sexual assault charges. Watson has his attorneys file an appeal. Okay might as well let him play, right?


Nerveex

Honestly? Yes because the team could still choose to sit them depending on what they did. Zeke got to play? So why can’t Collins? The nfl is so wishy washy with its verdicts. Watson isn’t even suspended which is BS on its own.


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Nerveex

Wym? My comment still stands, why can some players play when they are appealing and others can’t?


bradasskg11

I’m assuming Collins didn’t get his appeal together before the deadline. If zeke was able to play during appeal it was probably because that process already started right? Idk this whole thing is weird, his reasons for missing the tests seem legit but ultimately we’ll have to see if he can verify them. Watson isn’t gone yet because the cases against him are in such an early process that the league doesn’t really have anything concrete they can use against him for his suspension.


Nerveex

Yeah, Texans still aren’t playing him though, or that may be because he wants a trade. I’m not sure what the NFL rules are on appeals so that could be the case as far as Collins go, it’s just frustrating as a fan to see the NFL and how they handle things, between this, and the fines they hand out for shit. Really wish they would get a new commissioner. On the bright side at least it’s early in the season and not the end when we may actually seriously need him


THEADULTERATOR

BAH GOD A RIGHT TACKLE THATS RAVENS MUSIC


OakQuaffle

Deshaun isn't even suspended, the Texans just have morals, or maybe they're just listening to their head of PR, but he could be playing right now if they wanted.


TetrisTech

If the Texans wanted they could play him right now


Idontcare4808

If these are all legit reasons, then if it’s still against NFL policy then it seems it would be the team paying fines for not complying with policies rather than Collins himself.


YourUndoing

r/agedlikemilk on some of the comments in here lmao


busche916

This is absolutely on the NFL for being morons here, in one case he was literally having surgery for crying out loud. If you can’t contact him prior to this about rescheduled tests all it communicates is that you’re more interested in looking tough than operating in the best interests of the sport and players Edit: new information coming to light is really a bitch, ain’t it?


smokeydesperado

This didn't age well


busche916

Accurate assessment.


Dworfe

This aged poorly.


resnet152

Well yeah, this doesn't seem right if we're trusting these "sources" to tell us the whole story. The trouble is, these "sources" are probably La'el Collins' agent and / or the Cowboys. On the other hand, the NFL management is awfully shitty, so I wouldn't put it past them. Going to reserve judgment on this one. **EDIT:** People getting mad at reserving judgment on the shit NFL players agents leak. Whatever. I said the same thing the night the Deshaun Watson tweets dropped.


ww_crimson

According to another cowboys fans comment on this thread, he actually missed 7 tests. So we have reasons for 3. You shouldn't be down voted, sucks.


Nentendo63

The previous report was that some of the missed tests were on days the team sent the players home when players/coaches were in the COVID protocol, but that the others were not during COVID related absence, this latest report is I think explaining what happened on those other missed tests. 7 missed tests sounds like a lot without context but I believe that's the total over an 18 month period in which he's been tested on average every 3 days. If he missed a test that would have been positive, seems likely the next test within ~3 days would still be positive, no?


butyph

Sounds like more John Mara bullshit


Deified

This will make Cowboys fans even more insufferable. Like we’re right, we’ve kinda been fucked over recently but this is just more ammo


hosalabad

Is everyone tested ten times a month?


beer_jew

Yeah that's bullshit the slander on La'el is insane


Spoonie_Luv_

Slander. Lol.


beer_jew

Well this is an aged like milk scenario huh


AstroChimp7X

Let him play. Those are very legit excuses.


Spoonie_Luv_

Keep believing everything you read.


Dworfe

Baaa baaa black sheep have you any wool.


boastar

I wonder at what point Jerry Jones will get a hitman on Goodell.


Dworfe

Collins might be able to bribe someone to take Roger out.


boastar

I think this would be an excellent opportunity for you to team op with us. Get rid of Goodell, strip Mara of his powers. Win for both of us. Then we can go back to hating each other.


Maraging_steel

From a legal perspective, does the Cowboys sending their players home voluntarily mean they aren't bound by NFL rules for testing? I could see the NFL saying just because the team let you go home, doesn't mean you had to. Say a player thought that coach was an asshole and didn't care to grieve but wanted to watch film. They could still be at the facility if they wanted. I'm on Collins' side here, but the NFL can be very technical at times, ignoring the spirit of the law/rules.


broritto89

They aren’t suspending players for weed still are they?


krashmania

No, so it's something more dangerous, you'd have to think


broritto89

Okay I was gonna say


PitPatLovesYou

This all comes from a positive weed test, they can't suspend you for it but they can put you in a program where you are tested every 3 days and suspend you if you miss tests.


suppaman19

Everyone seems to be missing the point. The policy is definitely a bit crazy, but it's the policy and he has no one but himself to blame for being in that program and requiring testing that often. The NFL rules are you don't miss tests unless the league itself excuses it. Your coaches allowing you off from team activities isn't the same thing. If he was traveling and out of the area, then it's on him to contact the league and set up a test wherever he is going to be. Other players have done this even when they aren't in the program (Cousins) for their regular tests. Those are the NFL's current rules whether people like them or not. He can fight it all he wants, they aren't going to change their ruling, especially seeing as it followed CBA guidelines and already was upheld through the appeals process by an independent third party.


TheFinal9999

I thought the point of contention for Collins was that the policy for missed tests calls for that player to be fined, not suspended. Is that not correct?


suppaman19

Except it's supposedly under failure to cooperate, right? If he didn't do what he was supposed to, multiple times (reach out to the NFL), again that's on him. No one is saying anyone has to like their policy on this, but it's their policy and written into the CBA. He can throw a tantrum all he wants it's not going to change. Again, an independent third party already ruled on this through the appeal process and he lost his challenge. No one is going to overturn it.


dustbunny88

I just want policies that test everyone evenly, and not an average of 10 times a month for some and very rarely for others.


suppaman19

This isn't about what you want. It's about what is the case. Your opinion means nothing. You are not the NFL or NFLPA. There is a signed CBA and that governs the league and the players.


dustbunny88

Correct, my wishes mean nothing. That said, any sensible person can sit back and objectively say that the league doesn’t test in a balanced manner. And it’s unfortunate the union negotiated in a manner that allowed it.


Logan1565

That's very unlucky for those dates though have all been such big things but they are all very legitimate and anybody with a brain should have just got him to re-test the next week or day due to those circumstances.


MyThrowawayThyme

Anybody with a brain could see he was dodging the tests. In case you missed it: [Cowboys’ RT La'el Collins was suspended by the NFL after trying to bribe the league's drug-test collector, sources told ESPN.](https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/pvs8cs/cowboys_rt_lael_collins_was_suspended_by_the_nfl/) When he couldn't dodge anymore, he tried to bribe the drug test collector.


Dworfe

Confirmed: Cowboys fans do not have a brain cell.


Bitch_imatrain

Is there not some sort of reporting procedure for the organizations to communicate to the league if players have excused absences?


tr3pidation

Interesting they say he hasn't tested positive for marijuana. The NFL can't disclose what he may have been suspended for. Kind of like how a lot of people thought PED suspensions were for Adderall was a cover up for steroids. The substance abuse policy covers more than weed.. And I can't speak for the CBA, but it's weird a missed test doesn't count as a fail, cause if you and I were in probation on we missed or refused a test it would count as a violation of probation. Also 3 accounts of a missed test is a 5 game suspension? There has to be something else going on here than just bad luck timing. And also a prescription for a drug only counts if you prove to the NFL you need it. John Moffit was prescribed Adderall and the NFL suspended him for it even though he had a prescription for it for a long time. He didn't have it approved with the league so the league saw it as a PED. Got it approved after the suspension. *Edit* also there was an NFL punter on American ninja warrior and after he was on it the NFL posted a note to his locker saying you're being drug tested. Do how did no one on the team notice it was clipped to the board for the pee collector to notice he was being drug tested the day they were sent home for the coaches passing?


justdrop

> The NFL can't disclose what he may have been suspended for Well, partly for missing tests


GeorgeEliotsCock

The NFL really ought to slowly phase out it's drug testing. Fans don't care and honestly why wouldn't you want these players using every available medication and therapy. This is a place where quietly the NFL needs to start turning over on all the suspensions, lower the punishments, reduce the drug testing, and eventually get it to the sham it really should be. Like test them before the 1st game of the season and then make them sign an ethics pledge or some shit.


BlowsBubbles

The problem is if any player feels the need to use an illegal substance to compete to keep their job it gives a certain percentage an unfair advantage. If the illegal substance was negligible the players taking said substance wouldn't be taking them. If a problem arises years down the line with said substance the nfl is held accountable for not policing the issue. It's not about the fans here It's about the workers and company as a whole keeping everything even.


GeorgeEliotsCock

I don't really care.


BlowsBubbles

Probably something you're not used to hearing. It's not about you bud


GeorgeEliotsCock

No i think your arguments are all bar room bullshit


BlowsBubbles

Yeah not about me either. Not my arguments. It's the players union and the nfl. But hey you obviously know what you're talking about


GeorgeEliotsCock

Yeah cuz I'm the one pretending to fully understand the cba