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SheriffBartholomew

Balk! Free base for all runners. Congratulations pitcher, you played yourself.


IamA-GoldenGod

Can’t balk with nobody on. He’s doing a full windup.


SheriffBartholomew

We can’t see if there are runners on base from this video. Even if there aren’t, this pitch is meant to deceive and would be called as a ball. > Rule 6.02(b): If the pitcher makes an illegal pitch with the bases unoccupied, it shall be called a ball unless the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.


IamA-GoldenGod

Ball makes sense. But he’s not pitching from the stretch. If he’s smart enough to pull off a tricky pitch like that, you’d think he’d be smart enough not to wind up while runners are on base.


SheriffBartholomew

If this were something that didn’t violate the rules, we’d see it in every single MLB game. Pitchers would be training in sleight of hand with world renown magicians. David Blaine would get $100M contracts to train pitchers. It’s a clear violation of the rules with or without runners on the base. So it’s either a balk or a ball. Either way that’s not smart, it’s dumb to sacrifice an opportunity for a legitimate strike. It is humorous though, so there’s that. Edit: typo


ZZartin

That would make baseball a little more watchable....


idle_hands_play

And this is all good reason for why balk rules and rules against deceiving the batter are dumb and I hate them. I want my PT Barnum baseball, God damn it!


SheriffBartholomew

Should we start a Harlem Globetrotter’s baseball team?


idle_hands_play

There's the [Savannah Bananas](https://youtu.be/YmJBDn2sSww). I wanna check them out whenever they play in my area. I do hope they have more pitcher trickery, though. I always thought it was a shame baseball didn't feature more of that. Instead, we just get grumpy dudes with their hands soaked in tree sap beaning batters. Lol


ewhyeasyfanaccount

Wasn’t there a cult who used to play in the mlb in the early 1900’s? They’d do tricks like a baseball Harlem globetrotters. Edit: YEAH! Holy shit! The house of David! [Look](https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/21/house-of-david-baseball-religious-sect)


SheriffBartholomew

> The House of David was an Adventist cult that banned alcohol, sex and shaving What is wrong with people? If I’m going to join a cult then I want it to revolve around those things, not ban them! What a shitty cult.


ewhyeasyfanaccount

Lmao inni? Why would you take away the fun? I think the leader ultimately fucked all their wives tho which is what most cults boil down to.


achmedclaus

Anything that makes it more entertaining to watch. Baseball is boring af


earnestaardvark

This isn’t the MLB. It’s division 3 NCAA, which has different rules.


Carne_Asada_Friez

If this happened regularly, it wouldn't be a surprise. Pitchers won't have the same grip and be able to make the same throws, they would be worse pitches that professional hitters knock out of the park.


unmasked-avenger

Nope I checked it’s legal. Source: mlb umpire


mgoflash

Is an illegal pitch described somewhere? How do we know that particular pitch is not legal?


not-bread

If you’re asking if there’s a rule in baseball for a specific thing, the answer will always be yes. I umpired little league and we had to study a whole book. There’s a whole section on balking that basically just boils down to anything designed to deceive the batter. Pretending to pitch, or pretending not to pitch, like in this video, are both illegal.


mgoflash

Thanks, exactly what I was looking for.


SheriffBartholomew

[Yes](https://baseballrulesacademy.com/official-rule/mlb/6-02-pitcher-illegal-action/). Rule 6-09 and 6-10 seem to apply directly to this particular pitch. > (9) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitcher’s plate or while off the plate, he feints a pitch; > (10) The pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base;


itsnotuptoyouisit

For #9, though, he did have the ball. For #10, explain that one. Which hand? I believe a pitcher can leave the ball in his glove, and when completing the windup can pick the ball out of the glove and throw it.


unmasked-avenger

It’s not an illegal pitch


itsnotuptoyouisit

But how is it exactly illegal?


Hourglass420

He's doing a full windup, if there was a runner on base he would be pitching from the stretch. You don't need to see the bases if you know baseball. Video showing [both](https://youtu.be/46l6avAdpQ0)


SheriffBartholomew

There are other rules too which I quoted [here](https://reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/xidm73/_/ip3emga/?context=1). Ultimately the pitch was meant to deceive which is against the spirit of all the pitching rules. All of these complicated rules are created to basically say “don’t try to deceive the batter as to whether you’re throwing the ball or not”. He’s not in the majors and maybe he got away with it. It’s funny either way. But we both know that if there isn’t a specific rule to cover this in the MLB and someone tried it, they’d write a rule against it that very night.


Shinfekta

I was about to ask if this is against the rules


SheriffBartholomew

I don’t think this technically adheres to the rules of a balk, but it is definitely a violation of the spirit of the rule. The rule exists to prevent pitchers from using deception when pitching or throwing out a lead off runner. So I’m pretty confident that a qualified ump would call this a balk or something similar, especially at lower levels like this.


Shynzii

Came here to say this.


unmasked-avenger

Yea what are you talking about


Jason_Batemans_Hair

Rule 8.05(j) [http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2007/08_the_pitcher.pdf](http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2007/08_the_pitcher.pdf) ~~Balk?~~ ~~Balk with runners, called ball otherwise?~~ Balk with runners, legal pitch otherwise?


RyRyShredder

Someone has to be on base for a pitcher to balk. They are pitching from a full windup so no one is on base. Ump could call illegal pitch but that is almost never called.


Jason_Batemans_Hair

The clip doesn't show if there are runners. I'd say balk with runners, called ball otherwise.


RyRyShredder

If someone was on base the pitcher would be pitching from a position called the stretch. This is to avoid a balk call from doing your windup slightly different.


Jason_Batemans_Hair

There is no rule requiring a stretch vs windup pitch based on runners, and a windup is commonly used with a runner on third. Regardless, this doesn't impact the point of my OC.


kingfelix333

Not necessarily, typically a pitcher who normally pitches from the wind up, will pitch from the wind up if a runner is on 3rd, and 3rd only. Also not the reason pitchers pitch from the stretch.. the pitch from the stretch because it's a quicker movement to the plate so runners have a more difficult time stealing. Doesn't actually have anything to do with avoiding a balk.


AmazedSpoke

The only thing that is called a 'ball' in 8.05 is a quick-pitch. Everything else in that rule has no effect if there are no runners on base, so I don't see that this is actually an illegal pitch. > (e) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch; > Rule 8.05(e) Comment: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batter’s box. With runners on base the penalty is a balk; with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted. Further, the balk rule is meant to prevent deceiving runners, it has nothing to do with batters: >Rule 8.05 Comment: Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner.


Jason_Batemans_Hair

Good eye. So in principle here, if there are runners it's a balk per 8.05(j), but if there are no runners it's a legal pitch.


Seahawk715

This is an illegal pitch all day long. Doesn’t matter if bases are empty and it goes right down the middle. It’s a ball.


Adventurous_Area_735

Not how I read it. Balk is faking throwing a pitch. He threw a pitch, it was a normal motion of the feet, so no balk. He faked not throwing, then threw the pitch. Seems fine to me.


Jason_Batemans_Hair

8.05(j)


Adventurous_Area_735

Yeah I see it now. I should have looked at the j closer. You are correct.


earnestaardvark

If this were the MLB that rule would apply.


don_delfino

Balk Rules You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that. 1a. A balk is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of Do not do a balk please


Jaymesned

I will never not upvote the balk rules when they're appropriately posted


Booty_notDooty

Chill out on the Cracker Jack's friend


thunderbolt_95

Is that allowed?


aeaswen

No, should have been called an illegal pitch and an automatic ball.


kactus

Balk


aeaswen

Only a balk if somebody is on base. Otherwise, its an illegal pitch. Assuming because he's in the windup, nobody is on base. Possible somebody was at 3B and he's in the windup.


kactus

Ah, okay thanks. Would the batter not automatically advance to first though even if no one is on base? Genuine question, been a few years since I played.


aeaswen

No, it would be an automatic ball every time he did this. Only would reach on a walk.


JtDaSaiyan

Hit him with the ol razzle dazzle


ILoveBeerSoMuch

gotem with the ol’ reach around


EZe_Holey3-9

Pitching is the art of deception by definition


_Bon_Vivant_

This!! Curves, sliders, sinkers, eephus. Hell, it's right in the name "change-up".


detective_scribe

I can see myself watching baseball if had more magic tricks; like literally stealing the based and making it dissapear or some shit.


SheriffBartholomew

Haha! You’d only want to make the base disappear if you were a defender since you need the base to be safe as a runner. I guess the fielders will make them disappear and the runners will pick them up and take them with them to the next base so that they’re always safe. I guess base running would be trying to get to the base to pick it up before the baseman can perform an elaborate trick and make it disappear. A race against their incantation.


Wholesale100Acc

watch jerma’s baseball vod then, i wish there was an actual sport that was at all similar to that stream


APointe

Cool trick but that’s a bitch move.


PoggyBiscuit

He still hasn't given me that peny back from behind my ear


itsnotuptoyouisit

He took a quarter from me!!! Lucky bastard.


aeaswen

This is illegal in baseball.


other_half_of_elvis

I played in an after work co ed softball league for years. Many of the people in the league had either never played or were not very good. In a playoff game an opponent's pitcher was doing stuff like this guy. He'd stop his windup then throw, quick pitch, or do whatever he could to distract the batter. This was decades ago and I still think about it and why I didn't assault him.


HawWahDen

Nice obvious play by play.


SexxpantherbyOdeon

I do the same thing with condoms


igpila

I don't get it, he just threw the ball anyways


J3lackJ3ird0501

Batter didn't swing though, which would be a good thing if this pitch wasn't illegal


Remote_Ad2465

Ahhh what u do when you cant beat em straight up


Muted-Lengthiness-10

How many Blerns is that worth?


dustyreid

Someone send this to Jomboy


NoctRob

You could accomplish the same thing by throwing that speedball by him. Make him look like a fool.


DIESELANDBRUTUS

is that legal in the game im from Ireland and wouldnt have a clue


Guitargod12345

Just because he didn't swing doesn't mean it tricked him. He didn't swing because the ball was low lol.


jcoddinc

I thought Blernsball want supposed to happen until after 3000


mattykarp

Balk or not, someone is probably getting thrown at by the opposing pitcher.


Jrrd_1990

Why are you showing the magicians trick? For shame


ChazinPA

That works the first time.


TopSign5504

The baseball is on the back of his glove - nothing wrong with this.


2bitnerd

Bad sportsmanship


bryman19

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...and yer never gunna fool me again


Thunderwood77

Balk


HentaiSpirit

My god is that even legal


Warrior_king99

Because he can't see the ball that he is expecting to come toward him and actually come toward him 🤔


RentonZero

So your telling me he tricked him by hiding the ball before throwing it. In a game where you throw the ball and the batter reacts to the pitcher not the ball


Mr402TheSouthSioux

That shit would get called before it left his hand.


StrictlyHidden24

I don’t understand what’s so confusing. He’s obviously clenching the ball between his ass cheeks


ProtoMelon2

Hm


L34y36l38e

I love it


L34y36l38e

I want the infield to do that dance like that other team does.Let Pete IN!


Dragonboy21454

"Just keep your eye on the ball" The ball:


OlyGator

This pitcher fooled no one. Literally no one.


Careful_Feedback_517

stupid sport


Xaalster

This being illegal makes me sad


Puzzled_Miata

We used to have a bad ass trick play in high school. Till some dumbass for the local news paper decided he’d be cool to do a full description of what happened. It never worked after that. This video reminds me of that.


Internal_Carpenter_7

Would this even be aloud? Nonetheless that is talent


GhostofEdgarAllanPoe

A sport so boring you need magic tricks to make it interesting. AmErIcA's PaStTiMe


Doomenor

I love the fact that Americans have invented the least athletic sport of all time


whtevn

i thought the scots invented golf


zeussays

Seriously.


Kilgore_Trout86

Lol you couldn't hit a 50mph meat ball down the middle of the plate if given 50 tries I would wager. While there are positions that require less athleticism than many sports, it's a game of specialty skills. Outfielders for example have to be well rounded, top notch athletes.


SheriffBartholomew

Go spend $10 at a local batting cage. Go into the medium hardball cage which will be about 65mph. Tell us how many you can hit. Then realize that a major league pitcher frequently pitches around 100mph on their fastballs and they mix it up so you never know what’s coming. You have less than half a second to gauge what is coming, line up your swing, swing and hit a 100mph fast ball. Then go run all 3 bases and home plate at full speed. Then go to the outfield and scale the back wall as fast as you can, being sure to perform an enormous jump off the top. Then sprint halfway across the field and leap out completely sideways, crashing to the ground. Get up and try to throw a baseball from outfield all the way to home plate. After doing all that and realizing you’re still only performing at a level about 1/10th of what a MLB player is capable of, come back here and tell us if you still think that baseball players aren’t athletes. Edit: I’d also like to directly address your implication that Americans are fat and lazy by adding that both basketball and American football were invented by Americans. Both sports are among the most physically demanding team sports played the world over.


Kentesis

Volleyball, ping pong, fishing, golfing, chess, darts, pool, snooker, bowling, archery, poker, cricket, any form of motorized racing, dressage (horse riding), fencing, etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.


seamus_mc

If you think things like volleyball, fencing or auto racing dont require athleticism it proves you have never done it at any level competitively. Racing a car is not the same as driving to the store.


SheriffBartholomew

This is true, but the same goes for baseball. It’s easy to watch major leaguers play and think that it’s simple (they make it look easy). But anyone that has played at any level knows that the things they do out there and the speed and accuracy at which they do them is nothing short of amazing.


don_delfino

This individual has never watched a baseball game.


[deleted]

As a Native American, I feel that everything the “aMeRicaNs” have created is this. Our tax umbrella for the uber rich, and they influence our everyday life by controlling all three aspects of government and the local government level.


Kentesis

You are American, you have the same power as every other American other than the rich and the politicians. Don't box everyone in like we have some sort of power. We are all browsing reddit with our low-middle class income over here.


[deleted]

Surrree, your culture is not the same. We do not live like you, and we don’t even live in the same county. I live on my sovereign that is not the US. So fuck you European American


Kentesis

Filled with hate, you are no different than the majority of Americans. Keep telling yourself you're different


tactical_tree_troll

Eat shit, your ignorance is the real problem here. I didn’t steal the natives land, hell neither did my ancestors. They moved here from Prussia in the late 1800s, yet you would still probably hold a grudge against me. I have no control over what some random ass Europeans did 200 years ago. If your still salty go scalp a rancher or some shit, otherwise get over it.


[deleted]

You should go back to Europe


tactical_tree_troll

I would go back to Europe, but I have a new home now ;)


[deleted]

I hope it burns


tactical_tree_troll

So disgruntled, what tribe are you?


[deleted]

You do not get to know that information. Gushdana eshit lan


[deleted]

Sure, gushdana eshlan chun. (White people who eat shit)


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don_delfino

Lol overt racism funny