By - RNINJAS
To be honest 100 people for 2 months is actually quite impressive, that mangrove looks like a dump and they did that in 2 months
They hired 100 people and got a bunch of army personnel to help out plus some volunteers, I assume.
Doing work like this in a sustainable way takes massive resources sadly.
I wouldn’t be sad about it! There are *millions* of people out there who want to make a positive difference, people who would support and contribute to this effort. It’s just a matter of finding and uniting them over a cause, like the people in the vid have managed :)
Edit: thank you stranger, for my first award!
I stayed mostly on the resort in Bali, where the beach was clean. I went to the public beach and it was so disgusting. I saw people surfing on waves of Pepsi bottles and plastic bags. It was some dystopian shit.
The resorts probably produce more trash than anything else.
Maybe if they stopped throwing plastic trash in the river, …
It’s not as simple as that. There are systematic reasons why those people don’t have access to or can’t use waste management systems. It starts higher up, not at the individual level.
Even when you throw your trash in the garbage this is how some towns deal with their municipal garbage... https://youtu.be/XeDY3I841q0
Sure is, that's why humanity is doomed. We are destroying where we live. When I was younger I was involved in a river cleanup project. Twice a year for about 7 years. It started with 8 cub scouts. The last year we had 5000 people and cleaned up 26 tons of garbage in one day. The wholesale dumping of garbage into our rivers and oceans is killing the fish and animals we need to survive. This will not end well.
I always compare the behavior of humans with behavior of a virus/parasite. nesting, populate, overuse of resources, next host/ body (mars), dump/kill the old one.
The helping hands are the white blood cells that try to fight the virus, while the earth has a fever.
Lets hope we find the antibiotic to our problems and take it regularly xD
Humanity isnt doomed.
Here’s an analogy that might help you understand why it doesn’t make sense to blame people for mishandling waste.
Imagine you have a water pump in your town, but the water that comes out is dirty. To drink the water it must be filtered. Many families come to the pump to get water, before bringing it home and filtering it on their own.
There’s a problem however, because not every family is as financially able to support systems for filtering of their water.
So what’s the easiest way to solve water being unfiltered in this village?
Option (A) is our original strategy, where each family is responsible for getting their own filtration systems. Some families are able to afford their own filtration systems, but many cannot. This strategy requires an immense amount of work. ***Each and every*** family must buy and install a filtration system.
Option (B) is entirely different however. Why not just filter water at the source of the pump? That way only a ***single*** point of failure must be managed, rather than ***possibly hundreds*** of points of failure. Instead of installing many filters, we can install a single filter at the pump **SOURCE** and ensure that all the water that comes from it (downstream) is already clean and drinkable.
THAT’s what’s going on with the trash problem. YES, you are absolutely right about people throwing trash in the river out of negligence, people will always and forever be negligent. So rather than leave it up to the individual, why not hold the manufacturers of plastics and waste accountable.
The problem is that we are leaving responsibility to the individual.
Rather than trying to individually teach ***BILLIONS*** of people to be responsible for their trash, wouldn’t it just make more sense to not let the trash be created at the source?
Let me know if you need more explanation I’m happy to do it.
Thanks so much for kindly sharing that
Very well put. How can we turn off the tap at of single use plastics manufacturing?
There is also an issue downstream, not just at the source. Imagine a town where most people are responsible and throw their trash in the bin. The local council decides to contract a 3rd party to collect the rubbish. Said contractor decides to dump their rubbish in a river away from the town. Can't really blame the individual here.
Where does your plastic trash go? It probably doesn't ever end up in a river because you vetted the trash company to ensure its in a nice, safe landfill.
Landfills are bad for the environment, but one of the 'safer' ways to dispose of waste because it's sealed away in a small area where animals have lots of trouble getting into.
You're right, the sad part is having all that trash in there in the first place.
yea its a complete nonsequitar, they're everywhere these days.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the purpose of them?
as of late, i've been noticing that these newer sets of comment bots are farming karma to bypass minimums that some subs use, and then spam tshirt or posters drop ship scam links
Farm karma, and then get sold to someone who wants an account with a lot of karma
the bot scraped a comment from another user down below.
i'd link it but i don't know if that is allowed here. but you can ctrl-f for *north bali* and get a hit
There are so many. I'm digging through all of them now and their 4 number trend seems to identify all the bots.
just this set that are only a couple weeks old. there's other sets that are at the 6-7 month range and then the 12-14 month range.
and then there's the spammers that use redirects to trick people to visiting their malware filled site.
you might have seen them around, it says 'we're not bill gates, turn off your adblocker' warning when you visit.
i've written about them over on thesefuckingaccounts
At least they made it easy to identify the bots. The comments seem to be very hit or miss on how they perform based on what comment they've scraped.
"maybe if we trash it again he'll come back and pay us more"
When you bring in army, you aren't really looking for a sustainable plan
It's not that bad at all, it's quite clever actually. Soldiers are already getting paid for (by the gov), instead of doing their routine running or whatever, they get to work by contributing to a good cause. I'm sure many from the army are not going to be happy about this tho, so pretty sure this needs to be voluntary.
Actually it’s part of the Indonesian military doctrine to have close relationships with civilians even at the village level. The reason is the doctrine itself.
They anticipate that if a strong nation invades like China or the United States, the Navy and Air Force will be destroyed along with the Army’s heaviest equipment. Soldiers will then blend in with the populace and the jungles. Civilians will then be used to spy on the invaders as well as giving them false information. Do anything to give the invaders a hard time.
It’s not unusual to see Indonesian soldiers doing civilian tasks like building bridges, helping farm crops, etc. It’s all part of the doctrine to be close to the populace.
This is what conscripted service is meant to be used for.
Honestly sounds like they did some of the heavy lifting and logistics, things that would be fractions of a dollar at scale.
I wonder where or how they disposed of all the trash.
Straight into the ocean.
Interestingly, most of the plastic in the ocean is actually not from land waste, but from the fishing industry. The ocean cleanup project just released a report saying more than two thirds of the plastic in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch is from the fishing industry :-O
This, as a diver I do see many target trash bags but there's way more crab traps,weights, nets,etc. Bc when parts get old the just cut them loose, then iTs nOt mY pRoBLEm
This is pretty old info, most plastic in the middle of the ocean is dumped in the ocean. Plastic that gets tossed into the river tends to wash back to shore, so this is mostly locally dumped garbage.
They recycled everything which was recyclable.
that report is something else. They where barcode scanning trash as part of the origin search. Its one thing to say trash is getting into the river, its another to say this specific item is going into the river on mass.
Holy shit that's a 45 page report, I love those people
Dude nice link
Probably at a proper dump. Better to have one place with all the garbage instead of garbage in all the places.
It's like having a trash can in your house. You put all the trash in one place, instead of having it on your bed, in your drawers, and closets and shit.
You don't know me
then let me get to know you, damnit
You obviously haven’t been to my house.
Or met my roommate.
Outside the environment.
This is a staple joke, but not entirely wrong. Dig a hole, ironically line it with waterproof plastic, place a filter tube so water doesn't leach out, and for the next 50 years you can bury waste, clean the rainwater and have a nice decorative hill when you're done.
Or, since this is plastic, you can sort out the good stuff, and burn it. With proper filtering, plastic makes a pretty decent fuel for energy generation.
Into the Mangrove of North Bali.
A hell of a lot of work and a huge achievement, they removed in two months as much plastic as comes out of China as floating waste. Every six months. From one river.
Imagine what we could do if we all got off Reddit for two months.
If they paid min wage, that would be $28k + incidentals to clean that whole thing up. I'd say that's a helluva investment.
You love to see this kind of work but weep that it's necessary
And it needs to be maintained constantly otherwise it'll go back to plastic filled pollution.
They did put in extra effort though, by analysing the trash for over one year, to see which brands and which plastic items were among the biggest polluters. Knowing the source helps to address the cause, and not the symptoms of structural pollution.
This is the real, sad, hard truth of the matter
Well that was a depressing time..
People are both amazing and disgusting. This is another video that proves it.
Right? It’s great that it’s being cleaned but if the Behavior that caused this in the first place isn’t addressed then we’re going to be stuck in this never ending cycle and ultimately never make progress.
I used to live there. Without changing widespread habits, it will unfortunately look like this again in a few weeks 😔
This used to be everywhere. We are now reaching out to clean the literal backwaters.
This is progress grasshopper.
As they say, prevention is better than cure. You clear this but if littering/dumping is not regulated it will return to its old state.
Exactly. Theyll just keep dumping there.
There's always some broken window doctrine at play though. If it looks beautiful - less people will dump there (not noone). If it's ocean tide? God help them
This is the issue that a lot of people in this thread aren't taking into consideration. This is a multifaceted issue with highly complex cultural and environmental factors. Bali's geography results in it being the receptacle for much of that regions oceanic debris due to ocean currents. Additionally, it's an island - there are only so many ways non-biodegradable waste can be processed within their infrastructure.
Furthermore, you're dealing with a population of people who have been exploited by the developed world to an egregious degree. These are people who up until a few decades ago lived an ecologically symbiotic lifestyle using natural fibers and leaves for most purposes. As tourism and globalization introduced high levels of single use plastics and other non-biodegradable items you ran into an entire older generation that had no real understanding of how to dispose of these items. You can throw a banana leaf on the ground, no big deal - not the same result with a Snickers wrapper.
Think about what you would do living on an island with no real waste processing through much of the residential population: how do you dispose of this waste? We seem to think developed countries have got it all figured out because we toss it in a bin and a big old truck hauls it away and it's magically disappeared from our lives. No longer our concern. But that's not an option for most Balinese people. You really only have three options: bury it, burn it, ignore it.
People living in developed countries with the infrastructure in place to cope with rampant consumption can condescend about the state of this mangrove all that want, but what would they do in a similar situation? I'm not saying it's ok or that it should be condoned or that nothing should be done about it. I'm a staunch environmentalist and I love that this cleanup happened. But it's not nearly so simple as blaming it on the Balinese that it happens.
I lived in Bali for a brief time and it holds a very special place in my heart.
Thanks. I think it's really easy for people who haven't traveled to or lived in subsistence level countries, or those that have recently emerged from that kind of survival-based living, to cast judgement from behind a computer screen. It's certainly not something I thought about until I was presented with those same dilemmas. I mean, what do you really do with all this plastic trash? It's unconscionable what we're doing to this planet. We pretend we're better because we don't have to look at our waste after we're done with it. We're not. We're all fucked if we don't stop using this crap (myself included).
I heard the broken windows theory was being debated.
Sounds like a bullshit debate, it's a pretty easy thought process.
Tossing an ice cream cone's wrapping on a clean street vs seeing a bunch of garbage in a corner somewhere and just carefully placing it somewhere in the middle of the pile.
I'd say it's a pretty scenario for any kid to experience, now scale it up
“The theory became subject to debate both within the social sciences and the public sphere. Broken windows policing has been enforced with controversial police practices, such as the high use of stop-and-frisk in New York City in the decade up to 2013. In response, Bratton and Kelling have written that broken windows policing should not be treated as "zero tolerance" or "zealotry", but as a method that requires "careful training, guidelines, and supervision" and a positive relationship with communities, thus linking it to community policing.” -wiki broken windows theory. My point stands. It’s efficacy is debatable after being put into practice and the concept itself is being debated.
Happens in high school too, my teachers talked about it. Basically, they observed that freshman would more often litter and make the classroom dirty (crumbs, plastic bags, all that stuff). But Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors (at my alma matter) would keep the place clean. As the Freshman saw that the upperclassman were keeping thee place clean, they also did too.
People are dumping in the river, which flows into the mangrove. The video shows barriers they put up to prevent this.
If you watched the video you would see that they put up barriers to prevent more plastic flowing into the mangroves. People likely aren’t dumping directly in the mangrove, all the plastic waste is flowing down the river. Plastic flowing through rivers then into the ocean is the primary contributor to ocean plastic, not direct dumping in the ocean
So they don't regulate littering, but they do regulate drug possession. Okay. I will culture my opinions of the Balinese according to those values.
Can confirm. Was in Vietnam and saw the level of single use plastics used. Ha Long bay was just one big plastic graveyard
Hopefully the plastic can be recycled
One place I lived recycled. We had to put forth the effort to recycle. All plastic containers had to be completely empty and rinsed out. And not all was accepted because of the type of plastic. Maybe this isn't yhe case everywhere. I don't know.
Plastic always gotta be rinsed, how can they recycle plastic with bits of food stuck on? Not much effort at all if you ask me, considering the convenience of all our products coming in plastic
The biggest problem is that most plastic just isn’t recyclable
All plastic is recyclable, most just isn’t profitable for recycling plants, so they incinerate or landfill it
That aside though, it isn't much effort at all to wash the bits that are.
The recycling plants wash the materials during the processing. Recyclables contamination is a poor excuse for a bad or underfunded processing system.
The main problem is the effort and cost involved in truly recycling even the most recyclable plastics... It is far and above cheaper and easier to make stuff from virgin materials. Until we heavily regulate the sourcing and usage of plastics, market forces will just keep filling mangroves with garbage.
And how much water are we wasting on cleaning the plastic? Only for it to end up in the dump anyway
no that's a ton of effort which is why nobody's asking. Hot water will not clean off all the food in all cases. There's simply no guarantee that the processing facility can rely on.
Then consider that the energy it took to get you that clean water, and to heat it up, and to manufacture the soap you'd use,
all adds up to more than what it took to make your yogurt cup which has a bit of tinfoil stuck on it so it's unrecyclable anyways.
I see this guy on Instagram they did recycled the plastic and make a room furniture out of the plastic
If they don’t even throw it away in the first place, I doubt anyone is recycling anything.
I live in one of the poorest countries in EU and even we have plastic recycling laws (ie. plastic bottles in shop receive +0.10Eur price, which you can get back later once you give it to the recycling container). It's a pretty big country, surely there are ways to recycle, but people are just lazy.
I wonder if they can leave barriers in place so they can avoid it in the future.
Give the turtles assault rifles!
>Give the turtles ~~assault rifles~~ ninja weapons!
Dont forget the mutagen
Turtle in F-15?
They do. [Here's a photo and description of the floating barriers this guy's organization installs on Indonesian rivers](https://www.instagram.com/p/CSyy4yJlIXr/?hl=en). "Sungai watch"="River watch".
Great work from those people. 10mins from the airport though will still be the human bogan trash partly responsible for the mess on their drunken vacations. Social media Bali and the real Bali are so far apart.
Social media world and real world are so far a part
True, however New York was exactly how I expected from photos/movies/social media, and countless other places.
I’m well travelled but Bali is portrayed as a lush tropical paradise and much of the island’s south is a metropolis full of loud scooters, traffic, litter, and cheap tourist shit being flogged at everyone.
The other side of the “infinity swing” photos and whatnot are queues of people waiting for their photo, and vendors trying to rent a long dress or something to make it look more flowing. Instagram is an industry for them and it’s crazy.
Yes been there, before the social media era, but I still liked it even with the "not so pretty/bad" parts.
Regarding "the other side of the infinity pool" thing, I think the best example is Antelope Canyon
North Bali was exactly what I wanted. Went to Amed and found the peace in the bustle. 3hr drive to get there but worth it.
Its like this everywhere in Bali, even places no tourist goes. The tourist places are actually the cleanest. Its when you visit friends in tiny villages a long way away from any tourist place that you see this kind of stuff.
A lot of it might be from religous ceremonies. They line the road in offerings(?) wrapped in leaves. If plastic is easier to get, they might use that instead leading to a lot of trash. Basically the entire time I was there they were preparing for back to back ceremonies and from what I asked, that's just life there, it wasn't a special time of the year.
Yeh they love a ceremony. I had someone go in a taxi and the taxi driver was about to throw their bottle of coke out the window until they stopped him. He thought it’d just biodegrade. Wasn’t educated to know the problems with what he was doing.
Bali is one of the dirtiest places I've ever been to, and I've been to some of the world's poorest countries.
There were places in Bali that were incredible, like the northern part and the southern peninsula. But Kuta Beach is a fucking hell hole. Drunk bogans, scammers and hustlers, corrupt police, dirty ass hotels and the seabed at the beach is packed with plastic bags.
It's more to do with the amount of tidal rubbish they receive from Java than the tourists.
The Balinese i've seen are trying to keep on top of it, but its just a constant battle.
One way to make change for the better. Where there is a will, there is a way.
Welcome to asia. This is everywhere.
Thailand (at least in the North) is miles better than Indonesia and Philippines. Not sure if it's people not chucking stuff, or the clean up is more consistent.
Where indonesia are you talking ?
I could say the same thing raja ampat is a lot better than north thailand
Song is Else Paris btw.
THANK YOU!! I was hoping someone in the comments would post this.
This video is just a vehicle for this sauce. Recycling schmycling, im here for these BEATS.
Jesus that takes dedication, just imagine the smell.
They probaly got used to it after 2months
Amazing! Where does the plastic end up?
Probably just dumped into another river elsewhere lol
This was the exact video I had in mind
Yeah, but they probably will throw it in another place
It’s very common in Asian countries for them to put it in a pile on an empty block of land and set it on fire. Seen it all the time in Bali.
I guess the Indonesia government isn't really needed.
Did you miss the “one year later” part of the video at the end?
Yeah, clean ups like this need to be accompanied by infrastructure development, social awareness and education programs.
Landfills, waste management and sewer redevelopment don't make much money though.
I've done similar things but in much smaller scale as a volunteer and i have to say it's a fucking amazing feeling!
I'd suggest more people to this even if it's only one a year
There are lots of people and groups out there that do clean ups, but without interrupting the source, these approaches are temporary at best.
Gary and his team have taken the next step of sourcing and installing river barriers that interrupt the flow of plastics to the mangroves. This buys them time as they also work on reducing the use of plastics in Bali.
Removed + processed to where? Don’t get me wrong it’s fantastic they did this and a forest is not the right place for trash but I’m curious where they took it lmao
True heroes ❤️🙏🏽
Nevermind it's Paris by Else
When i was in Singapore it costed enough dollars for littering that the whole city is clean.
If it would cost you an arm nobody would litter.
I used to spend a lot of time in woods, hours daily sometimes days weekly, yet every time i went in the first i kept every thing in my backpack so i could throw it away later on. I really don't understand littering. Never did never will.
NICEEEE MAKE THIS COMPANY BIGGER
It's cool.. 💕
love your dedication 🙏 am so proud of you 🙏 thank u all
That’s really good. Inspiring.
And *my* truck is the biggest threat to the environment…
Gods work! Beautifully brilliant
i love it 👏👏👏👍
and restrict disposal of wastes or its gonna be a loop
Love seeing this ❤️
Makes my heart swell with joy. I need to see more of this. So beautiful, I'm so happy
In the US, you can get fined for trying to clean up protected parks.
Thank god that people like him exist. He hire 100men for 2 fucking months and got even the army involved, mad respect.
Amazing people doing an amazing project, love to see it! Hate that it’s necessary 😔
Great job.. I'd love to do stuff like this.. It's not work if it's fun
Love this. What’s not clear for me is with these projects is where or what happens with the plastic they collect? Does anyone have an idea?
I worked in Costa Rica for two years and lived in a condo adjacent to Rio Virilla which flows to the Pacific. Across the river was a Nicaraguan barrio without garbage pick-up. The garbage was streaming down the banks at the end of every lane. It was so strange in a country that prides itself as an eco-friendly destination. Out of sight , out of mind.
Humans suck so hard, but can be so awesome. Why?
We're biologically hardwired to be selfish and shortsighted.
1 hectare = 2.5 acres
I hate humans
This is exactly the result of lacking environmental regulations. They don't have an Environmental Protection Agency. This is america's future if the republicans get their way and deregulate our country. That mangrove is the direct result of corporate 'freedom'.
The amount of trash all over Bali is beyond horrible.
Major infrastructure problems there, and too much tourism.
Humans really are the worst thing to happen to this planet
man i love seeing stuff like this.
How can I get involved in a job like that?
Wonder if it needs additional upkeep and occasional volunteers. If I ever get to Bali, I'll have to tack on some clean up or other helpful things to the trip.
Good for you-making a difference- bravo
Oh be still my beating heart! This is a beautiful act of love! I wish them more success in their endeavors!!!
That’s great but all that’s happening is moving a dump to the next dumpster.
That’s what we should do when you are multimillionaire!
I hope same happens in india
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I mean but just think of the mentality and the seed you’ve planted in those 100 people for those two months. I would think they would go back and have a different outlook on cleanliness of the neighborhood.
Why isn’t this being done everywhere by everyone. Sign me up
Wow. Now that’s being proactive. That’s great on everybody.
Good job people!
Another wonderful story about citizens taking action.
It's coming in by the river sadly. It's the combination of "out of sight out of mind" and "It's only 1 cup". But people never consider that it's only 1 cup multiple by how many people? At the college I went to people would also toss their cig butts into the same snowbank in the winter. Spring comes and there is a foot high pile of cig butts. They toss trash in the river and away it goes. Stuff like this in theblong run requires community action, public service announcements, and greater waste management programs.
This gives me faith in the future of humanity. I love seeing this.
Wow this is my home, and I went to school with Gary, cool to see it on Reddit!