I broke 3 ribs just watching this.


Seriously. I bet "bruised" was her skin tone.




Having your name used for a banned Olympic move is pretty badass.


She was the best.


🎶better than all the rest🎶


Username checks out.


Bullshit, where's the dildo? Edit- nvm, I don't want to know.


Put a quarter in and find out.


Instructions unclear. Fucked the juke box


Seems better than a gold medal. A move so dangerous and difficult it was banned. Damn


Kinda like the Iron Lotus. So badass it’s banned


we're gonna skate to one song, and one song only


“N***as in Paris” completely changed this quote for me


Ball so hard muhfuckas wanna fine me


That shit cray


Omfg I always thought it was saying “you just get the one song, and one song only” I never realised it was from blades of glory, I feel so dumb 🤦‍♂️


Chaz Michael Michaels IS figure skating, boom


An Ice-Devouring Sex Tornado!


In figure skating [Surya Bonaly did backflips](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTNCpsAZYZI), and they were promptly banned after that. EDIT: Thanks to the comments, [here is a clarification.](https://deadspin.com/no-the-backflip-was-not-banned-in-figure-skating-becau-1822904068) On the other hand, as the explanation point out, she landed on one foot.


That's not true. Backflips were banned in figure skating competition long before Surya did one. [They were banned in 1976](https://olympics.com/en/featured-news/surya-bonaly-backflips-figure-skating-fashion-discrimination), when Surya was about 3 years old. As a lifelong figure skater, I have no idea where the myth that they got banned after she did one at the Olympics came from, but a lot of people seem to think that's the case, but it's not.


what a badass


One mistake and a broken neck or a crushed skull is the outcome.


The Fountain of Troy


You can’t say those words! They’re prohibidado.


“What’s your accomplishment?” “I’ve got an Olympic gymnastics move named after me and after I did it they banned it for being too dangerous”. Screw getting an Olympic gold, I’d much rather have a now banned move named after me that I completed in competition.


Just like the "Triple Lindy"




Why did u copy and paste this from sports.stackexchange instead of paraphrasing?


Why do I post liberally about how I enter, expand, modify and leave the colons of the less fortunate?


Better than a gold medal


"This difficult landing has caused injuries for multiple gymnasts, most notably Elena Mukhina, who broke her neck and became quadriplegic because of the Thomas Salto." OMG From world class athlete to needing someone to wipe your butt in a matter of split seconds..


Elena Mukhina had been forced to practice and compete on an unhealed broken leg. She broke her leg at a practice in 1979, and her coach forced her to remove her cast prematurely, and then pressured her to learn the Thomas Salto. She didn’t want to, and tried to convince him she couldn’t handle it, and the coach forced her to anyway. She became a quadriplegic due to the Thomas Salto, but mainly because she had to perform it on an unhealed broken leg, which meant she lacked the power to get the air she needed to complete it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Mukhina


I read through the article. Boils my blood that her POS trainer basically fled to Italy and lived out the rest of his life with zero consequences after her fall.


Mukhina pretty much knew what would happen, had told them she wasn’t ready but was pressured into doing it due to a fear the team would be beaten without her. Very sad.


The Thomas Salto is a floor exercise skill when after several flips they roll out by landing on their lower neck area/shoulders. A missed landing could paralyze them as it did Mukhina. 😬


Every time I read about this I‘m furious. They made her do it after she had an injury and said she couldn’t do it. And the saddest part is, that she said in an interview that her first thought after the injury was, that she was relieved they couldn’t force her to train anymore. What a sad troubled life she must’ve had.


When she was five, she came home from school to discover both her parents had died in an apartment fire. She was raised by her grandmother. So, yeah, she had a pretty sad life.


Mukhina took some of the responsibility for not saying no to protect herself from further harm, and noted that her first thought as she lay on the floor with her neck severely broken was, "Thank God, I won't be going to the Olympics." How sad. Jeez




Correction: she made it look easy, which is the hard part.


It may look so, but I guarantee the thousands of hours of training to get there weren't all that easy. The Soviets were especially demanding of their young athletes, too.


Olga Korbut's Wikipedia page says this: > In 1999 she spoke out about alleged sexual assault and rape she suffered at the hands of her coach, Renald Knysh, which he denied. Later in 2018 Korbut appeared in a TV show in which she again spoke out about several incidents in which she alleged that her coach sexually assaulted her. As a result of Korbut speaking out publicly, several other gymnasts who had also trained under Knysh spoke of similar incidents corroborating Korbut's allegations. Demanding indeed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Korbut?wprov=sfla1


"Wow. That was amazing. Please never do that again."


I say this to my 7-year-old daily.


I like that half the tricks from that link are basically just telling the gymnasts to stop standing on the god danged top bar! Then there are a few like, hey guys how 'bout we maybe stop deliberately landing on our necks. Not really a part of the body you potentially want getting acquainted with Newton's Third Law.


Banning her for something that was not banned at the time is bullshit. Ruling, "From this point forward..." would have been fair.


I'm confused by your comment. She wasn't banned.


I was confused by the OP.


I'm always confused by the OP.


Why was the OP banned for standing on the bar?


No no, OP was banned for being confused.


That didn't happen though. She performed the move in 72 at the Olympics and got a medal. The rules were changed after


She was banned from Reddit


Well, she shouldn't have said what she did about OP's mom.


He wrote "later on ... was declared illegal"


That element of the routine is now banned. Korbut was an international Olympic superstar.


The roll out skill looked so dangerous at the end, she could have broke her neck


They banned it for its level of danger and then added snowboarding. Seems like they need to reevaluate a backflip off a bar.


Looks fucken epic and badass is what it does. Absolutely fucken next level.


My ovaries hurt and I'm a man


Sternum and wrists for me.


I feel like we just watched some form of abuse.


The " bars" felt used and abused, after she got done with both of them and walked away like a champ


Her parents and coach called that part “training”


3 broken ribs? ![gif](giphy|xT9DPFkIbdzCAoLF3q)


If one of the greatest Jedi of all time has a bad feeling there is a good chance that things are going to go Really Deep into the South. It has been so long! I thought this was Han's line.


My eyes can't keep up. That's insane


I broke 3 ribs just walking across a road.


Why was it banned also whats a death loop


Too dangerous, look at last thing she does before the end. If her head hit the stick :/


every of her moves looks dangerous to me lmao


I watched that saying, oh shit, that must be the dead loop….. no wait, this is actually the dead loop, oh, im so stupid, this is the dead loop, wait, is this actually the dead loop? Ah, that landing was the dead loop. Im just sitting here assuming the dead loop was start to finish


Glad I wasn’t alone on that thought roller-coaster. I thought for sure it was the part where she flew backwards uphill towards the high bar like a creature from another dimension. Really? The LANDING was the banned part?


This was exactly my thought proccess. *Oh must be that, nope, this oh wait nope oh ohp that no maybe this uh oh that's it maybe* After reading the other comment I guess it's the first maneuver she does when going from the top pole to the lower pole.


I rewinded that bit 3 times, still couldn’t believe what my eyes were seeing.


The standing on the bar and doing a backflip is extremely dangerous. Imagine if she hit her head on that lower bar mid flip


….honestly, it all looked extremely dangerous. Every single “belly bump” into the bars had me cringing for her pelvis. Any update on how she’s doing these days? Like, can she still walk?


[this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zUv-1SjgOw) is from 2017. I just googled her name. Didn't see an obit at a glance so maybe she's still doing handstands 5 years later?


Omg yes, when she flew backwards! How in the world...


I thought the dead loop was the entire routine. Which made sense to me, they all looked equally dangerous




i thought it was standing on the top bar and doing a back flip?


You need to get dangerous to entertain.






Thank you for letting us know which one it was. It all looked dangerous as hell to me.


I would've assumed the move immediately following that, where she flips around the lower bar with only her waist contacting it, and then blind transfers to the upper bar backwards. Even though it isn't, that part sure is impressive!




Ahh ok! The consensus in multiple comments seemed to be that the backflip on the upper bar alone was the deadloop. What immediately followed it seemed far more impressive and dangerous. Thanks for the clarification!




Lame. I mean okay because there are surely a plethora of horror stories BUT at this level these are literally the best athletes in the world at a sport that could be called “don’t hit your head on the stick” /s kinda


Eh, there's inherent danger and then there's this. It's why you don't see flips into rolls in women's gymnastics anymore. Someone getting paralyzed on live TV at the Olympics isn't good for the sport's growth.


also isn't good for the someone getting paralyzed


Uh. But what about the back flip off the top bar?.. I swore that was the death flip


>There were murderous boos from the crowd when the judges awarded her 9.8 when it was by any standards a perfect 10 performance. >She admitted she was left deeply frustrated by the decision to make standing on the high bar illegal. >It was an effective ban on what was seen as the 'too risky' Korbut Flip from the Olympic Games and Korbut was disgusted by the decision. [source](https://evoke.ie/2021/07/16/inspire-women-in-business/why-the-korbut-flip-banned-in-olympics-forever)


But did she get the gold?


TLDR No silver. Because she tried to do the same manoeuvre the day before and fail which ruined her chance of gold >In one of the most controversial finishes of all time, she took a silver medal in the uneven bars. Korbut's first attempt at her uneven bars routine was marred by several mistakes which all but ended her chances of winning a gold medal in the all-around. >The next day, Korbut repeated the same routine in the event finals, although this time successfully. After the boards displayed a score of 9.8, the audience began to whistle and shout vulgar remarks at the judges in disapproval, believing her score to be too low. This carried on for several minutes but the judges refused to change her score


I don't know enough about any of this to say whether their judgment was right or wrong, but the idea of banning moves after they have been done and punishing them in retrospect is ridiculous. I know recently didn't they punish another athlete for doing something literally nobody else could, as if that's a bad thing rather than literally the point of the Olympics. The whole thing smells like corruption to me.


It's like if the X Games banned the 900 after Tony Hawk did it


Joke's on them. I'll just do a 901.


Imagine if x games banned tricks that were too dangerous lol what a joke. Why even have a competition at that point?


Its more like, they don’t expect people to do it because it was never done before. But after it is done, it now marked as a move that competitors either have to match in difficultly and/or surpass in an attempt to catch up, which creates a scenario of athletes trying to copy it. If they try to copy it and fuck up they can ruin their career at best or their life at worse. So to prevent this scenario, they ban it. It also helps that this shit is broadcasted, so they have to make doubly sure no one get seriously injured or die on broadcast.


Gymnastics if full of shit like this. The history of the Azaryan cross is very similar. > At the 1953 USSR Championships, the Armenian’s sensed that they were being underscored. When the Armenian coach asked the judges, who were Russian, about his team’s low score on rings, he was told that his gymnasts were not holding their crosses for a full 3 seconds. Last up for his team on rings, an angry Azaryan had seen enough. > When he lowered to his iron cross, he turned his head to face one of the judges and asked, “Is this long enough?” — all while holding a steady cross. He realized two more judges were sitting behind the rings, so he pressed up a bit, turned his body sideways, and lowered back down and repeated the question. The judges eventually gave him a low score. A gymnast is not permitted to speak during a routine, they said, and Armenia dropped from third to fifth as a team. He took one of the hardest moves ever and made it ten times harder, and they punished him for it. Absolutely ridiculous.


They didn’t punish her. The “punishment” of a lower score was because her original routine had had many mistakes, and then this one was a repeat. They didn’t ban her or take away points for the move, they just didn’t feel she deserved a 10 most likely due to repeating the routine and previously messing it up.


She wasn't "punished in retrospect", the maneuver wasn't banned 'til years later.


No idea what you're talking about. Nobody said anything about ex post facto punishment.


Who cares she got a banned move that has her name, I’d take that over any gold.


Actual gymnast here! The 'death loop' isn't an actual name for any skills but refers to her dismount, the back flip over the low bar. This nick name comes from the fact that gymnastics who messed this up would smack their heads or catch their neck on the low bar. However, the first standing flip she does on the high bar is also banned and its actually named after her because she is the first gymnast to do this move. The moves themselves weren't banned out right, but standing on the high bar was because of the history of gymnasts falling while standing, and getting back and neck injuries. However, the current bar set up which we changed to in the 80s, made the low bar and high bar much farther apart and make the dismount skill essentially impossible to do. Interestingly enough, another famous gymnast from the time, Elena Mukhina, added on to the Korbut Flip by adding a full twist prior to the ban. Mukhina later became quadriplegic after performing the Thomas Salto on floor, which subsequently became banned too, if that's any indication of how dangerous banned elements can be. Very few skills are banned in gymnastics, but when they are it's typically because too many gymnasts have suffered injuries from it. Side note, "banned" moves aren't truly banned. In the current code of points for elite gymnasts, each skill is worth a certain amount of points and they add up to achieve a difficultly score. Banned moves count for 0 points, so there is little incentive to do a skill that could risk a fall or deduction for no benefit. Additionally, for banned skills, such as Korbut's dismount, the gymnast would also receive a penalty for having no dismount since the skill wouldn't be recognized. Edit - [This video has a fairly comprehensive overview of banned skills, including the Korbut Flip and her dismount, and the Thomas Salto and Mukhina Flip](https://youtu.be/lkCstp6ABlA)


This is the most logical thing I read here. Hope it's all true, thumbs 👍


Likely for the same reasons the fabled “Iron Lotus” was only attempted once in pairs figure skating. The risk is far too great.


Here's me searching Google for videos on the iron lotus. Edit: I did find it. But I searched thinking it was a real thing. Spoiler alert: it is not




> A couple less talented gymnast tried it and died. That’s why it’s the death loop. I can’t find any information confirming that.


You just can’t stand on the high bar. Gymnasts stand on the low bar all the time.


Not the same move but this was another banned one and the girl who died that it was named after .. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Mukhina And you can read about why in the description of the injury .. but usually it's because if they fail to complete the move properly it can cause life threatening injury rather than just being able to recoup easily


“People like you don’t break their necks” Fuck that asshole for pushing her to do something she didn’t felt comfortable doing


And then the video says he wasn't a bad guy just young and naive no, fuck that. He was a bad guy more interested in bringing gold to the USSR then listening to his gymnast telling him she can't do it.


Classic Reddit. Nobody actually knows what they are looking at. I still have no idea why and what was banned. What I’m looking at is impressive - no doubt. But why were any of those moves banned? Which of those moves were potentially lethal?




A very complicated way to travel a small distance












This has all most as many loops as my ex's logic.


Sounds like a Douglas Adams thought


She twirled through the air in much the same way that bricks don't.




Yeah, no standing on the bar, and no dismounting over the short bar anymore.


damn safety rules ruining all the fun


It’s funny because now there’s skiing snowboarding and skateboarding where people do equally (probably more but don’t wanna offend) crazy 💩 banned tricks are unheard of in new freestyle sports.


There are banned tricks in figure skating, and they tried to ban tricks from snowboarding. There was a stink years ago when Shaun white was busting big moves. They thought it was going to push people and they’d get injured.


I said new extreme sports, with banned moves though snowboarding would not be able to exist in the Olympics or as a sport in general.


The push wasn’t to ban moves but to make the jumps smaller. One competitor got a major brain injury training on the half pipe, so I can’t say I blame the family for wanting a change


The state of freestyle motocross is like this now too. If you're not doing backflips while doing your tricks youre not even competing anymore. Snowboarding, riding, skating, it's all a passion and we're well aware of the risk but the bar has risen so damn high that, as much as I hate it, I understand them wanting to put a little cap on it


You joke, but there are very vocal fans of certain sports like F1 that will yell about how athletes are supposed to be gladiators risking their lives for our entertainment.


You're telling me a V10 in a car that weighs less than half that of my mini cooper going 250 mph around corners isn't what we're trying to achieve?


Have you both not heard of MotoGP


Are those body slamming maneuvers still permitted? I could have sworn those were banned, too. I didn't see a single one in the most recent Olympics.


They’re not done anymore because the bars are much further apart now than they were back then.


I was a gymnast back when you used to set the bars like that (70s)... For eagles and hechts.. In the late 70s/very early 80s, some girls started doing giants on the high bar during their optional routines and all of a sudden, it was an entirely new event.


They should just cancel the whole thing, that would be safest


If youre not pissing blood you prob arent a Champion.


TIL I’ve been a champion 3 times in my life


Had to take my dad to the hospital last year coz he woke up a champion


Ah yes Tijuana


All my benders end in championships


TIL im a champion every month


So what you're saying is the uneven bar event was perfected in '72 and since then it's just around for tradition?


I looked it up. These moved are performed in competitions. You just can't perform them in the Olympics apparently.


Many of these moves are impossible because the bars are set much farther apart now, and standing on the high bar as well as dismounting over the low bar are banned entirely


I thought so !! When I watched this past summer I thought the bars seemed so far away! I didn’t know if they started basing it on how tall the girls were but then Biles would be close together. Another reason to respect the artistry and strength of the athletes. Having respect for people who do amazing shit with their bodies be it either dance,music, art or sports takes an amazing feat of mind power that has to be recognized. We all have to go to work and hopefully someone respects our mind power enough to pay us in pennies for that!


As far as I know you can still perform them in the Olympics, you just won't get any points for it.


And she *opened* with that shit. Like that wasn't the main event.


Athletes are such an inspiration. Like most common people, I’m merely average at almost everything I do. Except for that one time my buddy Jerry and I crazy-glued our assholes together and won “most realistic costume” at our office Halloween party for our lifelike portrayal of conjoined twins. Man, I was king that day.


Thank you for sharing your fun memory, 90ozDiarrheaJug


Thank you for pointing out their great name, whatagreatnamebro




Which of those moves was the banned one?


Standing on the high bar and doing a back flip off of it.


Specifically dismounting over the short bar too tho


The Korbut flip is the flip off the high bar and grabbing the high bar again


>Standing on the high bar It's now allowed, but you must take your shoes off first.


From my eyes and torso, every single move looks bannable . . . .


Over the bar. Ban. Under the bar. ban. Not using the bar, believe it or not, also ban


Parks and rec ref 👌


I can see where the height you get with the banned maneuver would make it more dangerous, but the idea of banning moves in the Olympics just seems ridiculous. Isn't the whole point of the Olympics to see the limits of what humans can achieve physically? Putting limitations on what they're allowed to do just seems out of place. On the other hand, I know little about the Olympics and don't actually about it, so I could just totally be missing something here. Just my two cents.


I'm not a gymnast but I recently went down a youtube rabbit hole about banned gymnastics moves (so take this with a grain of salt.) but the problem as far as I can tell is that gymnasts who aren't as skilled as Korbut try to do the same move and get seriously injured or die. Lots of gymnastics moves are dangerous, but many of them have ways to bail safely and protect your head and neck if it goes wrong. Banned moves tend to not have that. It's also particularly icky when coaches pressure gymnasts to do moves they aren't comfortable with. So I think banning certain moves is a way to protect gymnasts. It's kinda a trade-off. On the one hand, you want the Olympics to show off the best of the best and the most extraordinary feats humans can offer. On the other hand, you don't want gymnasts breaking their neck in training while trying to surpass Korbut and other once-in-a-lifetime athletes.


No. Stupid dangerous shit is banned pretty routinely. That's why figure skaters aren't doing backflips. That's why gymnasts aren't doing the absurdly irresponsible shit you see them doing at their home base gyms where they know the equipment inside and out. Crazy shit is either banned or awarded so few points as to be not worth using in competition because any sport that actively rewards atheletes for risking undue amounts of death is not sustainable.


Not rlly? It’s just about showing off ur skills in that one category. They can have rules against this stuff - it looks hella cool but it is super dangerous and someone can die from attempting it. I don’t think the Olympics likes to be known for its lack of safety rules ending in a persons death.


How does a body bend like that


For a normal person it doesn’t. But a highly trained teenage girl…


Ngl that sounds a little wrong




Think he'd need a good lawyer


They pretty much train since they're little kids so their body can adapt.. some right from toddlers. It's been said that the constant impact of the jumps and spins from an early age can stunt their growth a little (though I don't know how much and I don't know how much is genetics) but they do tend to be very short


I’ve always wondered about that, particularly for male gymnasts. Are they short because they’re gymnasts or are they gymnasts because they’re short.


Am gonna try this at home. Wish me luck.


One hour has passed. He ded.


May u/fluid_independence75 rest in peace




Quote on their gravestone


I was a gymnast in the late 80s and 90s when the whole slam-your-hips on the bar style was completely replaced by release moves, and frankly I loved watching the older clips like this one but to this day have no idea how they endured that crushing abuse on their bodies.


> how they endured that crushing abuse on their bodies. Crushing abuse of their hearts and minds by their coaches, for the most part.


Ouch my pelvis


my back hurts


Omg, that’s amazing 🤩


Amazingly hurtful, but indeed amazing


So who was injured doing this that it needed to be banned?


I tried looking into this, but it seems it was just generally considered super dangerous. So it's not like the Thomas Salto that was de facto banned in light of a gymnast injuring herself so badly she was a quadriplegic for the rest of her life like Elena Mukhina did. At least it doesn't look like that was the case from the 10 minutes of googling I did because your question made me curious. EDIT: OK, Mukhina's injury in the 80s was not the leading cause for banning the Thomas salto, its overall insanity was and it finally happened in 2016 after many people were injured because of it.


I currently have a core muscle injury and this video made it 10x worse


Like 2/3s of this routine is banned nowadays lmao


I couldn’t tell which part was the “dead loop” because they all looked deadly to me…


I guy could not do this. At least one nut would bust and not in a good way.




Ackchyually, 9.8.


Compare that to the American on the UB [https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=uneven+bars+routine+1972&docid=608002245001154658&mid=13C5318959EC66BE86B513C5318959EC66BE86B5&view=detail&FORM=VIRE](https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=uneven+bars+routine+1972&docid=608002245001154658&mid=13C5318959EC66BE86B513C5318959EC66BE86B5&view=detail&FORM=VIRE) It was SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN ANYTHING ANYONE HAD SEEN BEFORE.


I remember seeing that routine. That’s some classic Olga.