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Even before Covid the profession was becoming unlivable. I love kids and always wanted to have a job helping people so education was a good fit for me. What was not a good fit was the parents who don’t want to hear that their child is anything less than absolutely perfect. They blame the teacher instead of addressing the issue with their child. Then administration offers no support. I left teaching to become a nutritionist. I get paid more for doing less and I still get to help people. I’m not surprised so many teachers are walking away


I teach in a low income area where parents often aren't really present at all. I don't ever want to leave and deal with parents who are gassed up and want to see As. I've never had a complaint about my marking and it leaves all my energy focused on filling the gaps created by poverty/addictions/alcoholism. Of course, I carry a ton of second hand trauma and there are tough days. But I grew up in the neighborhood and it's important for me to be the representation of a successful indigenous male as I'm the only one in the school with a degree. There are females but it's important for them to see an indigenous male w a degree succeed, and b) for that to happen in the neighborhood. I can be replaced in a minute but I'm very fortunate to be where I am


Yes this is what made it hard for me to leave; I was the only man of color in the entire school in a community that is predominantly black and Hispanic. I never wanted to work in any of the more affluent districts that surround the city I live I - I wanted to be a good influence on kids who need it most. My intentions were thwarted by negative influences in these children’s home lives. I never want to blame the victims of social injustice but there was definitely a stereotype of what a man of color is supposed to be like, and I don’t fit that stereotype. There was no way of influencing these kids because they were being pounded with an opposing ideal. After 6 years I was starting to drink and develop negative behaviors like being irritable and withdrawn at home. I was hurting myself and my family and was not helping anyone at all so, with great sadness , I had no real choice but to change careers. I really wish I could have helped those kids because they need it more than they even know, but it was not happening despite my best efforts and was not likely to happen ever.


Yeah. You can't pour from an empty cup even if your intentions are pure. Take care of yourself first!


Somewhere, some day, one of those kids will grow up and think back fondly about something you said to them. They will draw strength from it and you will have helped them more in that moment than you will ever know. Likely, more than they themselves will know. We don't always see the fruits of our labor directly, but rest assured, you made a difference. You being there, at the very least, showed them that there was a different way to be. Thank you for being a teacher, and also for having the forethought to save yourself and your family.


Wow. That's really a heavy and meaningfull statement. I'm thinking we've had a successfull two term president, and many high caliber men of color in all sorts of roles all throughout our society, and guys like you on the "front line". Yet that oppressive sterotype too often wins out. sigh


A president, CEO, etc... are great examples, but are not immediate presences in a young person's life. The men they see daily that impact their life are going to have the biggest effect, positive or negative. When that negative impact is repeated 100 times, of course it will have more of an effect.


That's completely understandable. Still though, I think it's awesome you stayed as long as you did. Even if it didn't tip the scales enough to make your impact super visible to you, I'm sure you still made an impact in their lives. At the worst, helped more kids - even subconsciously - better understand that there are options, there are choices for them (even if most of them didn't start making the right choices right then). <3


That sounds tough, kudos to you for recognizing that you needed to make a change. That's a hard decision, and making it just proves you have what it takes to be a good teacher. Respect.


💵Thanks💎 for saying that. I think I was a good teacher, I just was not able to have the effect I wanted to and it was very depressing. Good luck 🍀


Stay strong, I'm in the same boat. We aren't fighting the students or the admin or the parents, were fighting the system that is optimized for our community to fail. I too do my best to leave the energy and support for my students and halfass everything else that isn't involved with the students. If I could change one thing to make this system better, it would be the improve the teacher to student ratio.


A few years ago I lived with a teacher who had been teaching elementary for 4 years. She was making $35,000 in an area where we paid $2000 for a 2 bedroom spot. As a bartender I was literally rolling in money compared to her. She also spent SO much of her own money on her class. I fed her a lot of dinners and wine. I appreciate you teachers so much.


My wife is a teacher and doesn’t give homework. If a kid has homework, it’s because they didn’t utilize the class time to get it done. She’s been blamed for kids not doing their homework on multiple occasions and has to document and prepare all the times she tired contacting the parents when she goes to these meetings. She’s been been blamed with things like “it’s *your* job to inspire my kid.” Parents seem to no longer want to actually parent.


I assigned'homework' of reading for 20 minutes 4 or 5 times a week. Just reading anything. One students parents refuse to make them do their homework. They say the student comes to school every day, why should they do more work at home. They should spend time with their family. I absolutely understand and agree. But why can't reading actually be considered spending time with your family? This kid watches horror movies and plays COD every night. Also the parents wonder why he reads at a Kindergarten level...


I taught 12th grade literature. Per district policy I was not allowed to give reading as homework. But I was required to teach 9 novels, aside from all the other writing and skills. In a 45 minute class. Still blows my mind. Edit to add I taught from 2013-2017.


Sooo these administrators who likely have advanced degrees in education basically told you to be a Cliffs Notes reciter?


Yes 100%. My first year was also my department head’s last year and that’s pretty much what she told me. To copy sections of the novels, make a class set of those sections, and go over them in class. That was “reading 9 novels” a year. But it was also still very frowned upon to watch film versions of novels. It was absolutely infuriating. It’s really helpful for kids today (bc video is life) to do literary/film comparisons. But I was told point blank by my principal that I couldn’t show entire films all in one sitting. But I’m proud to say that that was bullshit and I did it anyway. Editing again to add- bc of a condescending comment that sounded a lot like what administration would say (which means drawing conclusions without clarification before hand). “All in one sitting” means just putting a film on for an entire class and not doing anything else. I’m clarifying to say that I showed films that were adaptations of literature we were working on. Along with watching the film over many weeks, we would have the text in front of us, we would stop for discussion, and we would do activities. But yeah- come at me with your non-education/teaching/literature opinions on “wasting more reading time by watching movies”. EXACTLY one of the reasons I left teaching. Also- unless you’ve tried to get 31 17-18 yr olds to all silently read Shakespeare AND stay off of their phones, please sit down.


Man that’s some really disheartening bullshit. Good for you getting out of that. It would drive me crazy.


Yeah that's impossible.. I went to a good HS and the senior class was also taught by the AP English teacher. Even then, we only had 3 novels in a semester (Gulliver's Travels, The Moonstone, and Kafka) in addition to one paper for each plus a few small papers for the film studies we were doing. And that was with homework being the norm.


Many never have.


I'll admit, as my kids have gotten older (They're 11 and 13), and more self-sufficient, I've gotten lazier as a parent. But if my kid comes home with homework, they just fuckin do it. #1 priority is school. My son usually does it while he's waiting for the bus at the end of the day.


Sounds like you trained them well. I can’t really speak as I don’t have kids, but based on my parents, I think a parent’s job is to help your kids in becoming adults and learning to try and make good choices on their own and be independent. You aren’t always going to be there. You sound like a good parent. I had a long bus ride to and from school and used to do the same thing.


Yeah, there are definitely areas I need to work on though. Being a parent is hard, *especially* when they get older. Once they can feed, bathe, and dress themselves, it's easy to get complacent.


This is a huge reason behind all of this. Kids aren’t being held accountable and the adults who used to dole out consequences are getting soft. Students are running amok and the bar has been lowered for them.


That’s right. A teacher cannot raise other people’s children. If the parents don’t set a good example and enforce boundaries to their child’s behavior, education is going to be much less effective. At some point education becomes impossible if the influences in a child’s home life are anti- education and disrespectful of authority and accountability. It seems like many parents are encouraging children to reject education.


This. Anti intellectualism is real. I don't understand why they think their kid will be more successful as an illiterate and undisciplined brat.


[There is so much truth in that. This two plus two equals twenty two video is quite relevant ](https://youtu.be/Zh3Yz3PiXZw)


I suspect that for many, "success" means the child leaves the community, adopts different values, and becomes scornful of the community in which they were raised. Much safer to produce a duplicate.


The school district my mom works in is like the wild west. The kids can basically do what they want and the teachers are all but mandated to sit back and watch. The districts are so afraid of the ravenous parents that seem to think their little angels don't need the same rules as everyone else. They are now hemorrhaging staff for unknown reasons.




> She never came out or responded to emails or calls during that time. What in the fuck was she doing during that time? That's basically her whole job!




>scrolling social media So she could be in this thread right now!


I had admin like that once. Turns out he was literally climbing out the window and leaving campus. To his credit and everyone else's discredit, he was doing this to attend grad school and managed to keep it up for so long he got his PhD. He got fired not for leaving campus, but because he wasn't clocking out when doing so.


Lmfao, what a goat. That's amazing.


Seen many videos in recent years (pre-pandemic), including on newscasts, of student(s) out of control to the point of breaking stuff while the teacher leaves the classroom. Back in my day ... geez, I'm getting old ... such behavior would never been tolerated. A teacher or even an administrator would have physically intervened. These days, they're told not to do that; can lose their job. No wonder many truly committed to educating children forego the profession entirely or leave early for other work that's less stressful, including retail, which isn't exactly a panacea either. That says a lot right there.


One of my uncles quit teaching to drive a truck long distance. Now he works in a call center for pest management. He said the parents were the worst part. He'd try to discipline or give fair grades and would end up getting yelled at by the parents. This was over 15 years ago.


I taught middle school for the first time last year. I had taught college students while getting my PhD. At college you literally can tell parents to fuck off; you'd be breaking federal law to talk to them about grades. 6th grade parents do get to talk about grades. Mom wants to know why her kid is failing Latin, she gets to know. Ok, I'm sorry Ma'am. Sally's failing Latin because she has literally turned in no work this term. Oh, that's my fault? I didn't know that's how this works.


I also went from teaching college courses to teaching middle school. However, in my high poverty school, you never get calls from parents over academics. You might for their behavior, but that's it. My big transition was classroom management. If college students don't want to be there, they won't act out, they just won't come to class. Middle schoolers have to be there and I don't know how to deal with the disengagement. I have tried everything. It gets really demoralizing at times because I wonder what good I'm doing.


I teach 5th grade and this is the toughest year yet. Kids haven’t had a full school year since 2nd grade and it shows. My admin is great and supportive, but oh my. I’m hoping it improves.


>I teach 5th grade and this is the toughest year yet. Kids haven’t had a full school year since 2nd grade and it shows. I think that would be 3rd grade right? Or... man... how long have I been mostly home, lol


3rd grade would have been interrupted by Covid.


Took me a second with the dates, thanks. Oof, been far too long.


And it's not just grade school either. My dad is a university professor and gets the same helicopter parents there too (albeit I'm sure with lesser frequency than a grade school teacher). 15 years ago I worked in the academic records office at the university while I was in school. We'd have parents calling in and screaming at us because we wouldn't tell them any information about their kids' grades. Yes, I know you pay his tuition. Yes, I'm sure you have a lawyer. No, I don't care because your precious little Timmy didn't sign the FERPA form. So you can fuck right off. I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten.


Parents have done crazy crap for a while it seems. Back when I was in college a couple of decades ago and living in a dorm, we had HBO and Showtime (I think - it was a move channel, anyway) available with our basic cable. Next semester the movie channels are gone, and I finally found out it's because someone's parent had complained their child (you know, the one of legal age to go to college and live in a dorm) might see things they didn't want them to see. I feel like a large part of the issue has been the pandering to this kind of crap. Why did the dorm shut down movie channels for its 900 residents because of one dumbass parent? Why didn't they just laugh and politely say too bad? Ugh.


I get screamed at on a daily basis regarding FERPA. They say the same things that you mentioned. I can't wait to never work in a school again. These parents are monsters.


I taught community college for about 12 years, up until about 2 years ago. I didn't have a ton of those parents roll through my office, but FERPA was an absolute life-saver those times that they did.


I'm a community college professor and FERPA made it so easy. I jave only gotten a few but replies are basically "Because of FERPA regulations, I cannot discuss grades or grading, or if your child is even enrolled in my course with anyone except for the student."


I'm a university admissions officer. Your dad would not be shocked at the number of applicants and parents I actually have to remind that I read the application and render decisions when speaking with me. Why someone would be a dick to the person that decides if you get in or not is beyond me. I can only imagine how these students behave in actual job interviews.


There are two reasons I wouldn't want to be a teacher - the kids, and their parents. My respect to those who can and have dealt with both. I am sure there are wonderful kids of course, but the rest I wouldn't want to deal with.


I’m guessing In your day you didn’t call to tell the parent of a 6 ft 240lb 8th grade girl that she is the one bullying the teeny tiny boys she says are harassing her. (We took the matter seriously right away, but we have seen her doing it and trying to them blame the boy when caught. Stuff like run up to him and pull his backpack so hard he falls, laugh, and run off. When she physically threatened me (5’3 woman, 130 lbs, not allowed to so much as defend myself if she tries to hit me) her mom told me to stop bothering her, she didn’t care, and was my problem at school. She then told her daughter that. She was impossible to control after that.


Can you not have children expelled Or worse option encourage the other kid to fight back.


in retail you just skip the "dealing with the kid" part and go straight to the parent.


People are leaving those Jobs too!


Oh I know. And to be honest, it scares the shit out of me because I feel like it is only a matter of time before one of those kids brings a gun in, or one of the kids being constantly harassed by the same group over and over again is going to bring one in and start blasting. I mean last week alone she was directly involved in 2 fights, witnessed 2 others and like 3 others happened. This is like a 3A or small 4A Iowa school we are talking about so nothing like thousands of kids.


That’s the real issue: parents. It used to be this way: The parents sided with the teacher during disputes. Now it is the parents who want the teacher to prove their children are at fault. Parents are making this situation worse, and simultaneously saying “take my kids in-person” because they don’t want to teach them virtually


How do these kids develop the qualifications to get a job then wtf


My teaching job isn't easy, but doable. However, when you add on my counseling, social work, parenting, mentor, and role model jobs on top, it gets insane. The issue is that schools have become the one-stop fix-it location for all of societies ills. Teachers are then expected to deal with all of these with no training, no expertise, no funding, no additional pay, and no extra time. And then, while it does have some positive effect, it surprisingly doesn't fix the underlying problems and its all the school's/teacher's fault.


sisters a PE teacher. this year they have rolled out a mentor thing where instead of sending a disruptive kid to the office/admin, every block the teachers on planning period get called TO the classroom of the disruptive kid, take them out in the hall, and have a heart to heart about why they are being disruptive.... no additional training, no additional compensation for the additional work that used to be the role of guidance counselors or assistant principals. thats just the tip of the iceberg on top of kids being crazier than usual this year, short staffing, general anxiety about covid etc


But, look at the brightside. Kids aren't getting sent to the office, so the office discipline numbers will instantly be better. This makes the school look like it has fewer problems to an outside observer. In reality, the disruptive student stays in the classroom and further erodes the classroom environment and prevents other students from learning. It also reduces the time teachers have to plan, grade, give feedback, etc... A system that does counsel students on their bad behavior, work on alternative ways for them to respond to stressors, etc... would be amazing instead of just suspending them. But that is a job for extra staff specifically trained for it.


graduation rate/standardized test scores = only thing that actually matters to the higher ups


Meanwhile schools got rid of assistant teachers and added more administation staff. My old school had a principle, vice principle, and a councilor. The same school now has 2 vice principles, 2 deans of students, dean of discipline, and so on. So many more front office people yet they add their work load on the teachers now. This isn't unique to schools. Across the board there is a new corporate trend of "development experiences" which is the bullshit cover buzzword for "Let's get them to work more and at a higher level without increasing their pay. We incentive by lying and saying this development experience will get them promoted faster even though we have just delegated all those tasks to their level so this experience is now worthless for higher levels. Then when they complain we just rewrite their role descriptions to include that work." I've been working for about 10 years now and I have the same role, same pay, but now I do the stuff my boss used to do and he does the stuff his boss used to do. The corporate world figured out how to promote people with zero compensation. All the responsibility and none of the benefits. This all stems from those seminars, books, and "studies" that happen all the time and cause these shifts in corporate culture as people start a cult following of some new method. Remember open seating offices being some big new thing? It's always justified as being good for the worker but in reality it's just a way to screw the worker over and look good doing it.


My school has a headteacher, a deputy headteacher and 2 assistant headteachers. One of which we aren't sure does anything aside from marching around my primary school in her 3 inch heels. Meanwhile most teaching staff have doubled their workload in the past year, and we apparently don't have enough money for a speech and language therapist or OT to come and observe the 5 student in my class (kindergarten age) that have some intense additional needs.


My union would have none of that. My planning period is my planning period. I would flat-out say "no."


And this echoes the problem of American police being tasked with responding to domestic disputes, mental health calls, and other societal ills that require professional help. We really need to build up alternative services to address these issues, rather than call upon overworked existing structures to become support groups.


I can understand the motivation in each case. "These individuals already work with the people in question, already have a structure in place, etc...".However, the institutions in question end up being poorly trained in 5 things instead of experts in one. It's an attempt to cheaply solve expensive problems, and works about as well as any half assed approach. Politicians/Government can say that it is addressing the issue without having people make the sacrifices needed to really fix the issue.


We need as a nation to invest in ourselves instead of investing in companies who take that money and buy back stocks. Congress is engaged in this battle right now, and more of the elected politicians are saying I will not than are saying yes I will.


You mean you can't be a teacher, *and* a social worker, *and* a therapist, *and* a surrogate parent, *and* a dietitian, *and* a life coach, all for the same pay as a full time fast food worker plus some benefits?


I went to school to be a teacher. Got all the way to student teaching before dropping it. What made me stop wasn't the pay or the kids or the work of teaching. It was the red tape, the endless required overtime, and the martyrdom complex we were all expected to have. My time and my life are valuable. Teachers are expected to give up that belief. In my opinion the single best thing any teacher can do for their students is to refuse to teach until they're paid enough to support themselves and their family--and given overtime pay on top of that.


When I started my career as a teacher, I was pretty excited. It only took a few short years for that to go away. Leaving the profession was the best decision I have ever made. My finances, mental health, and overall well-being have improved drastically since then.


And the underlying problem is......... Economics. People / families don't have enough resources to provide functional homes, so the kids get rekt, and they grow up in the same environment and also have kids that get rekt. U can't have an ideal home environment when parents are working all the time. This magical fairytale of double income with kids is exactly that, a fairytale. Change money change the world.


>U can't have an ideal home environment when parents are working all the time. This magical fairytale of double income with kids is exactly that, a fairytale. I learned this the hard way when both of my parents were always too busy working full-time jobs, and too tired from working those jobs, to actually spend time building an emotional and loving relationship with my brother and I. They basically said, "We're providing food on your plate, and a roof over your head, and the bare minimum, so that makes us good parents." Even today, I still remember them coming home, watching TV or playing video games, and then snapping at me and my brother to "do not disturb them during 'them time''. To quote another Redditor: >"My childhood has has given me serious issues with trust, feelings of inadequacy, and an inability to form healthy intimate relationships. It’s tough to feel valued when your parents value going to work, couple time, and sleeping over spending any time with their children."


Weird how we never hear how exhausted the 6 figure administrators are. Almost like dumping all increases in funding toward administrative costs and sports doesn't work.


I'm in IT for a district. We have a communications director that makes 135k, has quit twice, can't make a simple website, has the most expensive MacBook laptop possible. She basically just forwards emails that we've already received and creates crappy Google sites websites even though we pay a lot of money to have a website. Whenever she asks for something we usually just tell her ok because 100% of the time, she will never follow through. On side note, our IT Director poached a staff member from another district, gave him a salary of 110k, told one of our seasoned people he's now in charge of hardware (he is the data guy that makes everything sync), and the new guy would take over his old job. Told him a few days after the new guy started. But it's been 4 months and now the guy is doing his original job plus handling hardware. Apparently the new guy has never actually managed hardware and used workstations for servers, and only ever did data but at the most basics level. Good thing most of his time is in the it directors office! Our teachers are underpaid, I'm underpaid, and everyone in the office is underpaid. No one seems to really care - as soon as the right opportunity comes up, I'm out. I'm so sick of entitled parents, teachers, staff members, board members. We waste so much money it's not even a joke.


Administration is never in the trenches. They are all about education theory and not remotely about education reality. They set up impossible situations that lead to failure and say it's the teachers who failed. Most teachers know exactly what to do in the classroom - they've got Masters Degrees. God forbid the powers that be ever gave us the freedom to actually teach.


That sounds like how corporate treats their stores and retail workers. People who've never actually worked in a store setting up ridiculous goals and expectations and telling us it's our faults.


If a district manager can't run a store, they shouldn't be a DM. That's the real problem with retail/F&B. Pretty much anyone with a bachelors degree can learn to read numbers/metrics and yell at managers.


Yea, luckily our DM started out at the store level and will actually fight for us in some regards but usually just gets overridden by some dumb fuck at corporate.




My old store sent down a cleaning list that Included carpeted stairs. Single floor warehouse. Yeah. The guy that made the list never had been to our store or location.


Then they hire a team of consultants to perform a thorough 6 month investigation to report problems that the ground level staff were likely telling you about for years.


This comment is so on the nose. I've been teaching almost 10 years and EVERY year it's some new hot pedagogy technique that one of them read in a book over the summer that we all are REQUIRED to do in our classrooms and counts towards our evaluations.


I really feel for you teachers. I work in district IT and this is so true. Administration comes up with 'ideas' and then tell me they need some entire new system stood up yesterday while they haven't even told teachers... if I have one more admin tell me how we need to immediately implement 'something they saw at Marzano' I'm gonna lose it lol. But really. Thank you to all the teachers, much respect.


Your administrators know about education theory? That’s be a step up.


I think that's a typo. In theory they know about education.


... in theory.


I don't know where you are, but here teachers mostly have Bachelor's degrees. My wife won't bother to get her Masters because an additional $20K in debt isn't worth the additional $1K in pay she'd get... that's per year.


That's wild. Here, the pay bump is more like almost 10k and the steps are bigger. You have to get continuing education credits anyway, might as well make them count


But if they gave you that freedom, you'd have freedom, and they wouldn't be better than you for having it anymore. Worse yet, you'd *teach*. Teaching leads to learning. Learning leads to critical thinking. And critical thinking leads to those administrators friends and political parties being booted out of power.


This sounds like a reverse Yoda talking about some reverse dark side


One of my admin was prior business owner. Another was a lawyer. Neither have ever set foot in a classroom. they are in charge of education policy at my school. Cool.




I ended up my career as an Occupational Therapist working in a public school district. As a relative outsider, I quickly noticed that most young principals were power hungry bootlickers. Older principals that were concerned with the progress of staff and students were considered "adversarial" by the administration building. I was amazed how many "administrators" were employed in a medium sized district. Once personnel were "promoted" as supervisors to the "admin building", they didn't offer struggling teachers any assistance. Just made their lives miserable and hoped they would quit or retire. Public Education is under assault.


Unfortunately, it's the same in Canada. In my province, our districts have countless "district principals" in charge of certain subject areas. You'd assume they were developing lesson materials, guiding documents, offering support... no. I've seen exactly one document in four years from anyone in those positions - when the Kamloops Residential School discovery happened, we were sent a *generic* document with such insightful instructions on how to handle the trauma as... * Be there for the students. * Support the students. * Lead lessons that help the students understand what happened. Do you think they explained what "be there" meant? Do you think they explained *how* to "support" them? Do you think we received a single meaningful lesson plan? The only piece of classroom-usable material attached to that email was a PDF outline of a feather for kids to colour in. That's it. In response to new discoveries coming to light about Canada's genocide, we are given a feather to colour in and are told to support students.


Who needs school anyway when Covid funds can be build to new prisons instead of funding education or God forbid use for Covid as it was intended.


and we can give tax breaks to the rich as they deserve them more than most, they job creators afterall.




If these numbers are accurate, this almost amounts to a scandal, the way "job creation" is promised by politicians and handled by governments.


The cutting taxes mantra has always been more of an ideology than based on reality.


Because "job creation" is always sold as being stimulated by corporate tax cuts. It's not about jobs, it's about the shell game of extracting labor and money from the poor and middle class and giving it to the wealthy corporate owners.


Such a simple concept that a tax break given to the poor people in the country would immediately result in more economic activity which would benefit everyone including the ultra wealthy at the end of the day. How? Say a billion dollars in tax breaks distributed to lowest income earning people would result in them immediately using that extra cash to get their needs fixed, for some it would be replacing an ageing laptop, for some it would be fixing their leaking roof, for some it would be paying off their debt etc etc They money would immediately re-enter economy and stimulate everything and would also benefit the rich as at the end of day they are running the companies making all the shit. Yet, all tax cuts goes directly to billionaires where it mostly stagnates.


"This election was lost four and six years ago, not this year. They [Republicans] didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickles down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow's hands. They saved the big banks, but the little ones went up the flue." - Will Rogers, 1932


It works insofar as the goal is to squander the education budget rather than spend it on educating. I mean, who's to say a multi-million dollar stadium won't improve test scores until we try… again.


Yup. I quit my 5th year of college because I watched so many wonderful Music Professors get let go to other opportunities while my college built a $35 million new administrative building which replaced the only parking garage for students on campus. It was just one giant fuck you from the administrative offices.


And if you ever suggest that bad administrators be fired then you are given a thousand excuses on how they really aren’t bad even though their schools are terrible


I’m an elementary teacher and I can’t believe how awful it is this year. Children coming out of the pandemic are essentially feral. Parents are exhausted and can’t be bothered. I feel like I’m experiencing the downfall of western civilization, and I’ve got a front row seat. So far this year (21 days in) I’ve had 1 student suspended for ripping off a soap dispenser and throwing it into the toilet, another suspended for bringing a knife to school, and 2 students suspended for a fist fight. Another tells me to fuck off daily and refuses all attempts to work. Mom will not pick up my calls or return emails. I teach 4th grade.


I'm a middle school teacher. My principal said that we weren't teaching anymore. We're retraining. Feral is a good word to describe it. If you want to go into education research now is the time. You have a cohort to track.


Yup. I’m not teaching this year. I’m strictly managing behaviors. Unfortunately, once they’re retrained, it will be March. These kids are so far behind that there is no chance I will have them ready for 5th grade. This problem won’t self-correct for another decade.


Frankly I think all kids should redo this year of schooling. Not necessarily with the same teachers, but just the same grade level curriculum. The pandemic has fucked so much of regular life over *of course* these kids are going to need retraining of basic behavioral norms. Its wrong to expect them or educators to just pick up like things are normal after over a year of this mess. Not to mention lost education time/skills from the disruptions of remote learning. A redo year would probably help the vast majority of kids. And if everyone did it, then no student would feel like they're behind their peers.


I'm in kindergarten. I am so tired. These children are not ready for formal learning. They aren't used to being around other people or following a simple instruction. We have so many children struggling to settle into routines, and listen to another person. I go home at 6 each day and am too tired to do anything else.


I work IT for a school district and it is getting really bad in terms of students behavior, kids have been destroying the restrooms in our hightschool and it has gotten to the point where all but a few restrooms are locked up and they are being watched by security guards. Our hightschool has also been beefing up on security guards too take stress off the teachers. I am happy my tech room is almost a bunker for me to hide in when the bells ring for class swaps lol.


> had 1 student suspended for ripping off a soap dispenser and throwing it into the toilet, That was a tik tok challenge. This week, it is to hit, slap, pinch or touch a teacher or other student in an inappropriate way. Wife is a teacher and they just had to talk to students about that video.


I do want to put it out there that while the devious licks thing was very real, the "slap a teacher" trend is not actually a thing. Like, I'll bite that you might see a couple very gullible kids doing this because someone somewhere said "it's a tiktok trend," but I'd challenge you to find multiple videos of kids actually doing this on tiktok. What actually happened was clickbait instagram accounts circulated [a big fake list](https://www.google.com/search?q=school+tiktok+challenges+list&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1536&bih=720&ei=y0xcYdmkHNK5tQbDxoAQ&ved=0ahUKEwiZtq6WqrPzAhXSXM0KHUMjAAIQ4dUDCAc&uact=5&oq=school+tiktok+challenges+list&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQGDoICAAQsQMQgwE6CAgAEIAEELEDOgUIABCABDoGCAAQBRAeOgQIABAeOgYIABAIEB5QpQNY7iBgsiJoBHAAeACAAcIBiAHXEZIBBDMwLjOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img) of "upcoming tiktok challenges," and everyone took it seriously and lost their minds.


Yep. Trends happen organically. If someone could accurately predict trends for the next year, they would be pulling down major money from some corporation. Like you said, sometimes idiots do copy these sorts of lists, inadvertently making them into mini-trends, but that is haphazard and rarely gets big numbers.


Honestly, I'm just the husband. Wife said the school admin was taking it seriously and all the teachers had to tell the students in 1st and 3rd hour in her middle school to not do this and how serious the reproductions would be. Honestly, I'd though the 'vandalize the school' thing would have been a fake but they had 15 or so instances in the high schools in one day, and 3 instances in just her middle school so they are taking all tik toc stuff seriously.


Yes it is. Tik Toc is cancer.


*Just as planned* as it turns out.


I hate hearing that parents can't be bothered. If you decide to raise kids, parenting is your job, tired or not. The same goes for schooling. Yes, you send your kids to be taught, but it's the parent's job know when their kid is falling short and to provide them the help they need. Over quarantine, every other parent was posting, "OMG, I'm so thankful for teachers because I just can't..." Those parents should've been helping every year prior to current events, so much so that "can't" shouldn't be part of the vocabulary when it comes to helping their kids learn.


This is a pretty deep societal problem that has been brewing for multiple generations at this point. Most working class and under parents grew up in homes where their parents where less available than their grand parents were due to growing economic pressures to have both parents working full-time jobs, as such reliance on the public school system has grown to the point where now the public school system is less education and more state-sponsored childcare. What I'm saying is that it's a systemic problem tied to economics and wealth inequality where the impact is manifested at individual levels. The solution is to reverse the conditions and retool the relationship between the working world, the home world and the school world.


This is completely on point. Schools are canaries in coal mines.


> If you decide to raise kids, parenting is your job, tired or not. Some people want to have kids. Not raise them.


I got a school email about "devious licks" bc of tiktok, that I believe explains the soap dispense rlol. Ludicrous speed


I wonder if there is some sort of collective trauma response to the pandemic in today's kids that's going to come to light in the future. I tutor low income 8th graders in math. They're all great kids but how far behind they are this year is astounding. These are the ones that are motivated.


Probably. I remember my grandma would wash and reuse her ziploc bags even though her and my grandfather were wealthy. My mother would say, “that’s because she grew up during the depression. People who grew up then had a different mindset.” I think we’ll be saying something similar about these kids. However I’m so tired of trauma talk. I get it, I’m at a title 1 school, but I just need them to fucking do something. I spend all day fighting kids to work and behave. I’m developing a major case of compassion fatigue.


I don't have a solution, but just know that you are not alone.


> I’m developing a major case of compassion fatigue. I'm a parent and maybe I'm one of the shitty ones, but I'm right there with you. Look, I love my kid and her friends, and I know it's been a rough 20 months. But it's been rough for EVERYONE. I'm so over them griping about how hard it is. I KNOW IT'S HARD but jesus christ you'd think they were the only ones affected. "Compassion fatigue" is the perfect term for what I'm feeling lately.


my wife has a degree in special education and deaf education. She quit teaching to interpret full time. Each deaf classroom, if not each deaf student, has an interpreter that does no teaching but just goes with them all day to facilitate language. Their day starts when the first bell rings and ends when the last bell rings. So not only does she have no take home work, she still works with deaf students but does no teaching AND makes like $15,0000 more a year than she was paid as a teacher. Why would she EVER want to go back to teaching?


So I can give the details from my personal experience teaching 2nd grade in a low income school. I arrive between 6:40-7:00 and leave usually between 4:00-4:30 every day, including doing about 3-5 hours of work over the weekend. I have 3 kid-free breaks a week for 30 minutes, that is my planning period. These times don’t factor in the required professional development, meetings (both faculty and parents), and club that I run. Pay comes once a month. I currently make 34,000/yr, the minimum wage in my state is 7.25/hr which is 15,080/yr.) However, I only work 10 months a year, rather than the usual 12. I do, however, often buy my own school supplies and other materials for small groups. I do get holidays and summers off, though that time is unpaid, so those are 2 months with no paycheck unless I pick up a second job. My district no longer allows 10 month pay stretched out over 12 months. I know other professions have it worse, I’m just sharing my personal experience.


One thing I don't see about these stories is that schools are communities with teachers. We're constantly pushed to collaborate with one another for very good reasons, but this year in particular every single staff meeting I've been in is just a constant font of negativity. Everyone's burnt out at less than a month in and fully expecting things to fall apart and go to online again, and you can get through a day feeling relatively positive and then talk with 10 colleagues who remind you just how frustrating things are right now. The number of jokes about leaving went through the roof and it's just really hard some days to actually give a shit when you know other teachers you rely on are starting to give up too. I know plenty of teachers who have been "late" to work every day this year so far, since they changed the schedule in my district to 35 minutes of contract time before the first class, and nobody says a thing because nobody, neither students nor admin nor parents, can find the energy to care. My first two years I damn near broke down forcing myself to work 80 hours a week. This year I've been doing barely over contract time and can't be assed to do any more for that reason.


Working for a school is stressful as fuck. Teenagers are breaking and stealing shit (devious licks), Covid is still happening and some of the staff are anti-vax and anti-mask, I get the stink eye from coworkers for actually wearing a mask everyday, the staff lunches suck, the students are extremely disrespectful and try to make teachers’ lives worse for no reason. But hey, at least the pay is terrible. I need to get a new job.


I work in a school kitchen and trust me were trying with staff lunches. We arnt pulling in any money to buy basically anything. Were skating by with enough money to get the kids lunches but our other supplies are incredibly thin.


I'm glad you're working closer to your hours. There's absolutely no way to survive this profession if you're doing more than that. You have to take care of yourself first, because nobody else is going to.


I'm a teacher, and I'm in a situation that's good enough that I'm not contemplating leaving. But it has become extremely clear over the last two years that the only things the district/state cares about is that I am a warm body that can babysit children and take the blame for every problem in their lives. I'm in a place where I can run my classroom and teach/coach things that I enjoy. But a lot of teachers aren't. And if my situation changes, I'll find another career before I let myself go through what a great deal of my fellow teachers go through.


I work in the schools as a one-to-one, I make far less than the teachers I work with **but** I get to leave at 3:05 and not have to worry about work at all after that point. If I'm working with a teacher in a Gen Ed room I typically tell them to leave any work they were planning to do that night with me, and **if I have a free moment** I'll try to get most of it done (things like copies, grading, designing posters/crafts) so they don't have to spend all of their free time on it. It blows my mind how ok we are with teachers essentially working all day every day. Spending their own money on crafts/supplies and shit, because of how limited their time is, even spending their own money on things like teacherspayteachers to save tons of times on developing materials. It's a shit system where many of the teachers I know go home and are working pretty much the entire night before going in the next day.


> It blows my mind how ok we are with teachers essentially working all day every day. It’s because a good chunk of the country doesn’t believe that. A stupid number of people think teachers work 6 hours a day for half a year and rake in obscenely high salaries for doing so.


I hate that people still don't understand that I literally have to pay for my summers. We don't get paid for summers, we take out money every month from our paychecks to pay for our vacation. Its like a PTO purchase plan, but mandatory.


Yep - I don't think most people realize how hard teachers work. One of my best friends is a teacher and I lived with him during college and then after we both graduated - he was at school 7-5 typically, and spent 7-10 or 11 p.m. on the couch grading and doing lesson plans and all. On the weekends he'd be at the sporting events for his students to support them, and during the summer he taught summer school or education camps. I think in 16 years of teaching he's taken one summer off to actually travel and enjoy himself, it's insane. And I know that's how most teachers are. They put in a TON of hours.


And that they are paid for the summers, which isn't true. We are paid for 10 months, but the paychecks come in all year. Salaries are ameliorated so we aren't stuck with 2 months of no income.


Yep I'm a teacher with a Masters, and quite honestly I feel stupid. Like a sucker, for spending that much money, time, and energy to become an expert in teaching. I'm not treated with respect by the school system, admin, and often by parents. I make a pittance for working endless hours even when not at school, and also have to spend my own money on supplies. I was full of idealism when I was in college. I will not hesitate to try to talk any young person in college who is studying education into reconsidering their major.


My kids teacher texted me at 730pm last night. I told her to stop, she was off shift. She said she was always working late. It's bullshit what our educators deal with.


Shit that's nothing; I've had a teacher come in and tell me, "Student emailed me at midnight (5th grade)", "You didn't answer it, right?" "Well I..." "Well you set up a precedent where it's assumed you're working past midnight, and that's shit." (Side note; email whenever you want, that's the point of the medium, but in this case it was a pertinent time sensitive email and was a question they'd need an answer to before coming to school the next day, but also, not something at all urgent)


I tell my wife this every time a parent emails in the middle of the night or on weekends. She feels obligated to respond, like if she doesn’t reply it makes her a bad teacher. I’m so proud of her for wanted the best for her students, but damn there has to be a line somewhere. And what’s more distressing is how some of her co-workers say the teachers who aren’t on-call 24-7 are just “in it for the money”.


Side note: Ted Lasso briefly covered this subject this season in really a perfect way in regards to therapy versus coaching. Anyway, I agree. Fuck that, I love my students. And I also own my own business where I work with **hundreds** of kids and I love those kids just as much. . .but if I don't set boundaries my family suffers, and that's just not fair. Any teachers who think that way (in regards to being on call) are part of the problem.


Exactly. I moved away from more traditional teaching to work at a subject tutoring center and the difference it’s made to my work-life balance is crazy. At my new job, the only parent interaction I have is just the two minutes or so it takes to drop their kid off (and that’s only with younger students usually). Otherwise, if they want to discuss their students tutoring needs it goes through management. When I’m off the clock, that’s it, I try not to even think about work when when I’m not there. Working with students is rewarding, but it was really sucking my own joy out of life. Idk about you, but I feel like teaching online and being more directly in students homes erased the boundary that was there when I was in school. The only time my parents ever talked to my teachers was parent teacher conferences.


First time in 12 years that I’ve actively researched leaving the profession. It just keeps getting worse.


I’m part of this statistic. Taught in Title One schools for 17 years. I was beat down by the system. Apathetic parents, incompetent administrators, increasingly disrespectful students, and lack of community support for teacher were all factors in my decision to leave. Covid really put the disdain the general public has for teachers in sharp contrast. Why should I bust my ass for mediocre pay in a community who called me lazy and scared for months of the pandemic? I decided to sell real estate, and I’ve made more in 3 months than I did all of last school year. Should have done this 17 years ago.


Every day there's an article like this for a different field. Today education, yesterday healthcare, tomorrow retail or trucking or skilled trades or engineers. The way we work in America is breaking us (and the environment) Tyrannical bosses. Impossible metrics. Brutal hours. Poor pay, weak benefits, rude and aggressive customers, etc. The list goes on. There needs to be a fundamental change in people's relations with their jobs. We need fewer hours, MUCH better pay, healthcare that's not tied to a job, a say in how things work on a day to day basis. We deserve better. But it won't get better til workers start hitting the bosses where it hurts - their pockets. We need strong and militant unions for every job that are ready to strike and exercise their leverage - it's the only way workers have gotten better conditions for workers.


I was hoping the pandemic would spark a revolution. Maybe not or maybe it has in slow time. People are tired of making shit wages doing hard, thankless jobs.


My Aunt quit her teaching job of 24 years where she barely made enough to support her family for a job in tech helping to make educational programs making 5 times as much. The war on education has taken its toll and the chud reaction to covid was the nail in the coffin.


I'm on lunch but just today I had a door slammed on face, kid stole a stamp ink pad to stamp the walls, another student ran up behind me and rammed his shoulder into my back, and another tell me I'm a "fat fucking bitch who should've died from covid." It's not even 11am yet and this is just how it is every day now. I only make $24k, and not even that now because I had unpaid leave for covid. I hate to leave my coworkers but we're on the fucking Titanic and if I can get on a lifeboat I'm getting the fuck out.


This enrages me. I make $45k as a receptionist. All I have to do is looked presentable, answer the door and send out packages. As well as maintaining the break room


24k a year? Wouldn't you make more flipping burgers?


Yeah I would get out ASAP


Teachers to Bartenders seems to be the hot trend that teachers should be following. 1. Higher income 2. Patrons are more well behaved 3. Misbehaving patrons are dealt with promptly by onsite staff 4. You get to sleep in 5. Cheap booze


Can’t agree more. My wife is so burnt out that after she gets off she sometimes cries because of all the pressure and stress. She’s taught for 8 years and has never felt so strained in her career. She’s looking for other jobs to jump into once she is done with this year.


I work for a hardware store that has an outside lumber yard that you can drive into to pick up large items, and I get paid almost the same amount of money being a glorified parking lot guard at the gate to that lumberyard as most of the teachers in my state.


I don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher in the US


I’m in grad school now. I understand the extreme difficulties and general unfairness. But… at the end of the day… working with kids is super fulfilling for me. Gives me purpose. I need that in my life. Somebody’s gotta do it.


My husband is a high-school teacher and the kids this year are absolute fucking dicks. They were remote last year and have a years worth of assholery to release. They also obviously didn't learn a god darn thing last year and cheat like a horny sales rep at a conference. He teaches AP and honors.


I taught middle and high school science for 8 years. Last year was my final year of teaching. I saw a huge shift between the front half and back half of my career. Front half: Student fails a class, parent meets with me, we come up with what the student can do to improve. If they don't, they fail, and that's that. Back half: Student fails a class, parent threatens admin, I have to come up with how this student can pass, student refuses to do any work, I somehow still have to pass them or my job is on the line. Add to this that the pay has been stagnant while class sizes have gotten larger, and how we are losing more and more autonomy by the minute, and it's no shock we're leaving. I'm doing something else in the EdTech field and I'm making more money, exercising more, have lost weight, love my old hobbies again, am sleeping through the night, no longer have the Sunday scaries....the pension used to make it worth it. Now, it's just a brutal, dehumanizing job.


I work as a tech guy is an elementary school. I am also feeling this and am currently on the edge. I can be getting paid more doing something else. I just love the environment working with teachers because they are so nice which is definitely not the norm in a tech position. Pay them more ffs.


Yo, add on the support staff too! K-12, higher education, we're **ALL** getting kind of sick of being worked to the bone but getting shit for raises for the last 5+ years. Being given only a 1% cost of living raise is a joke, but yet we're supposed to be thankful to them for bothering to give us the 1% instead of freezing wages. *-sigh-* Janitors, admin assistants, IT staff, all of us are getting fed up with it - And our students really don't see or care what we do.


I’m homeschooling one sixth grader and one preschooler and I want to quit most days. I can’t imagine taking on debt to get a Master’s degree in education only to be treated as poorly as we treat our school teachers.


Teachers felt they were underpaid BEFORE the pandemic. Now you're asking them to be in overcrowded rooms with 30+ unvaccinated kids and no pay increase. It's exhausting. Pay them more money. Give them funding for supplies. Shrink class sizes so teachers can give all their students the attention they deserve. Give the kids personable guidance counselors who aren't just there to make schedules.


Not just that, but with increased workloads like contract tracing and having to retrain these borderline feral children that have shitty parents at home. Add having to touch with masks as an extra burden. My wife is a teacher and I’ve never seen her more exhausted. I’m doing everything I can to take any housework loads off of her. My heart bleeds for all teachers


A school near me was advertising a full time special education teaching position for $13 an hour. THIRTEEN DOLLARS. Full time cafeteria workers were $11. No wonder teachers are quitting in droves.


We need a new system. The collective priorities of this country are so ass backwards. It benefits no one other than the billionaire class to disincentivize jobs like teachers and healthcare workers. What is the end game of the current system? Push the working class too hard and you get a revolution. It is far better for everyone to just pass the long overdue reform voluntarily.


Apparently there's 30 TRILLION DOLLARS hidden from us and described in the Pandora Papers. I wonder who actually EARNED that money


We did. But we're convinced it's not ours. I feel like I sound like a crazy communist, but I'm getting tired of seeing people literally being worked to death for minimum wage while these billionaires get articles written about how hard it is having too much money and how people are being mean.


Crazy how dividing us works out so well for them eh


The veneer of society is starting to peel and some folks are getting a good look at the rot that hides underneath. It's going to get a whole lot worse before it ever gets better. America has been used to living with their glass half full but soon, we're going to see what it's like to live with a glass completely empty.


Anyone notice that there is a pattern in news articles these days? Any profession dealing directly with the American public is losing people because they are "exhausted and underpaid".


Almost like they are all exhausted and underpaid. Huh.


You mean they dont enjoy a job where parents scream at school board meetings that their little snowflake children are being "traumatized" by having to wear a mask, and how dare they infringe on thier rights to send thier little plague monkeys to them unmasked, regardless of the headlines that more and more kids are passing along the virus now? Shocking.


At our board meetings the same anti-maskers are now making a list of teachers who have ‘Black Lives Matter’ signs or rainbow flags. They tried to get a teacher fired for assigning a 2 page essay that was written by a person who worked on the 1619 project. They’ve called for the Black superintendent to resign. This superintendent has been on the job for 3.5 months.


My teacher friends have shared the steps they must take when a student needs "intervention." This may not be exact, but it's very close: The kids are met with privately; if they act out again, the teacher meets with them again and the kid signs a contract to behave. 3rd offence, the kid goes to the principal and comes back with a new notebook or pencil; 4th offense the teacher texts or emails the parent; 5th offense the parent gets a phone call. Somewhere after that the kid gets in school suspension. At some point they might get actually suspended and this is the point at which the parent *finally* takes things seriously, and 9 out of 10 blame everything on the teacher. The principal will do anything to appease the parent, even if it means throwing the teacher under the bus. All these steps must be documented with an incredible amount of paperwork. Effectively, we are raising a generation of kids who will not face their first real consequence until after high school. It's damned ridiculous. And the district claims to not know why they are losing teachers by the dozens.


My kids' elementary school is pretty small, with about 450 students. They're supposed to have two guidance counselors and a psychologist. One guidance counselor has been on maternity leave for 4 months with no backfill, the other position has been empty for over a year without the district filling it, and the psychologist is split with another elementary school that has 750 students. I'm concerned my child is dyslexic and my choices are to wait 5 months for them to get assessed through the school because there's one person doing the job of 3, or pay $2k for private testing because it's not covered by insurance. I joined the PTA this year and have been active in our local school board meetings because the situation is untenable, mind-bogglingly insane, and completely unfair to kids. When I went to school in a middle-class district in the 80's we had a dedicated school nurse and plenty of support personnel. I'm saddened that my kids, while attending a school district that is considered "higher class" than the one I attended as a kid, get far less support.


My best friend is a teacher. She's exhausted and has been diagnosed with depression, and it's only October. She can't afford to move out of her parent's home, and she's been teaching for years. We keep telling her to quit, but she wants to stick the year out for the kids at the very least. We are exploiting their genuine love for the children, and it really makes me sad. She's a great teacher but this is slowly sucking the life out of her. She always defended teaching and said "I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I had another job." I wish all teachers just went independent, and took on small groups of kids (5-7) in the area and homeschooled them for a private fee. Cost of tuitions would go up, but I think the education provided would be much better quality. It would be safer. It would beat online teaching. That's my perfect world thinking, but I know it's not feasible for most.


That 1-2 Trillion we wasted in Afghanistan, could have been used instead to pay teachers more.


What, and leave defense contractors without a means to support themselves? Think of the poor missile manufacturers!


Teachers are already overworked and unappreciated to begin with so expecting them to work through a global pandemic is putting even more stress on them. You can completely understand why a lot are choosing to resign


Married to a teacher on the tail end of the career. She can’t wait to get out. With increasing class size, less appropriate behavior, low parental involvement (mostly in low income areas), and spotty administrative support, she’s all done. The energetic woman I met and married who loved her job still loves educating children. But she’s all done with the rest of it. It’s turned into a retail job with little support.


I’ve decided I’m not coming back to my school next year. I keep thinking that I love my job…when I’m allowed to do it. What I do day to day is so far from my job. It’s maddening.


I work at a school. Even the teachers and staff receiving fair wages are feeling burnt out. It's a sign of the times. You've got to deal with the children and keep the same energy throughout the day, plus you've got to deal with their parents. Now, you've got all the COVID protocols and scares, teachers having to be vaccinated, parents who are unvaccinated hurting forward progress, and all the disagreement that comes from that. I wish I could say the solution was "just pay people better," but it isn't. It's a step in the right direction, but man. It is not an easy gig right now.


Nurses too. All the people we need, and the public continues to abuse, disrespect, underpay, and invalidate. Well done America. Bunch of jabronies.


America's working class is quitting in droves, and who can blame them. After decades of mistreatment, it's clear that their prospects of ever getting a leg up in this country are slim to none. Even the most brainwashed are waking up and realizing that despite being called "heroes" and "essential", the only thing considered essential was their labor and their lives were disposable.


Who’s going to replace them, what does this mean for the kids?


"Theres a reason education sucks and it's not going to get any better --- --- Because the owners don't want that. They don't want a population of educated citizens capable of critical thinking sitting around a table figuring out how badly they're getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago"


George Carlin?


medical workers too. they can only care so much and work so hard for years. everyone has a breaking point. change is inevitable.


It’s not just medical workers. This is across every single industry. We’re hitting a breaking point.


Will never forget auditing some high school classes and during the lunch break a teacher straight up burst into tears telling me "we get paid to ruin these children. Please don't be a teacher if you actually care about teaching, it will kill you." Changed my major the next day.


It’s hard to tell my wife it’s a good idea for me to leave a job paying 50-60k a year as an account an manager to go be a teacher, get a 4 year degree, take on a lot of debt and come out making only about 45k if that. I want to be a teacher but the money just isn’t there.


US economy is basically built on slave wages and student debt. The country is actively collapsing and the exiting generation is in denial


I taught high school English/literature about 10 years ago. I had to arrive early, I stayed late, and when I got home I had more work to do. When I broke down the amount of hours I spent actively dedicated to my job, I realized was making less than minimum wage. I had a huge amount of responsibility and I was making less than minimum wage. I decided to get out of teaching and ended up working for a law firm. I now make more than double what I would make if I had stayed a teacher. My job is not fulfilling. It's easy. I work from home and I spend most of my time playing video games during work hours. I was good at teaching. I enjoyed it. I felt like my days were meaningful. But I was one car repair or unexpected medical expense from being completely broke when I was teaching. I was also always stressed. It's abhorrent.


To be honest at the national hourly pay I would look the other way. I have a friend that have a PhD and earning $66k with 170k in student loan debt left. Teachers are under paid and definitely deserve much more. It’s as if the government wants our society to look for private institutions and pay 5x more. Oh we already are for college ooppsies. Not even going to talk about teachers spending their own money to buy school supplies for the little kids to have activities. What a shame we do this to teachers. And this is why underprivileged kids will have to work harder to even compete with the well off kids.


Frankly, I don't blame them. The past few years have been disastrous for teachers - first Devos appointed as secretary of education with the basic idea of "public schools are worthless so lets fuck them over", and then covid. Now, after having to adapt to online schooling, they then went to a hybrid schedule of "some class time, some online time", and now they are back in school but some fucking asshole parents and politicians are trying to literally kill their own kids and are trying to make waring a mask literally against the rules in their districts. Even if there is NOTHING going on, teaching is an exhausting job (for the teachers who actually care anyway) and with everything that has happened they've been getting screwed. With mediocre pay in most places, many teachers have indeed been forced to teach overfilled classes with little to no support for the resources they need to do so. And also, districts don't actually support their teachers for shit. They basically cave to the parents anytime their called out on something, even if the kids had it coming - I remember in highschool when a friend of mine got an F in her robotics class because she only showed up to flirt and make out with her boyfriend, then her mom called the school in a fit and they had the teacher change the grade to an A simply to not have to deal with it anymore. When the teachers have no power, how the fuck can you expect them to feel comfortable doing their jobs?


I run a set of career training programs at my school. The week before school started, we lost two math interventionists and one full-time IT instructor. Just decided, nope, not going back over the top this school year. Leave us holding the bag with no qualified instructor ready to go. You know who you can hire in September for teaching jobs? Teachers who just got fired elsewhere, brand-newbies who may be bright but don't know the ropes, or humps. You don't get top talent in September. I also have veteran instructors who are just...losing their edge. They're mercurial, forgetful, etc. We're all working in a global pandemic but it feels like we need to be "above" that stress to model behavior for our students, and a lot of people seem to be cracking over a year in.