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Netanyahu out as new Israeli government approved

Netanyahu out as new Israeli government approved

Sk-yline1

Good fucking riddance. Bennett is awful but the coalition itself might bring a better future


very_excited

Holy crap it's finally happened, after over a decade Netanyahu's reign over Israel is finally over. Seeing him so desperate to stay in power during his last days was pretty satisfying, I have to say. Imagine being such a divisive, controversial figure that you somehow managed to unite the left, center, and right to join together in a unity government just to oust you as Prime Minister. Not even Trump was able to accomplish that.


Sk-yline1

To be fair, it took Bibi 15 years


noise-nut

I remember Netanyahu in the 90s, or am I crazy?


davidreiss666

Netanyahu's political career goes back to the 1980s when he was the Israeli ambassador to the U.N.


Whatah

Behind the Bastards just did a good 2 parter on bibi, his dad, and grandfather


theaviationhistorian

Oh crap, really! I haven't listened to them in a while. Might have to now! Their coverage on Rush Limbaugh was excellent as well!


hiveWorker

> Behind the Bastards My people! Thanks for the new podcast.


greyjungle

Get ready. I’m excited for you.


TheDevil666666

He served one term in the 90s then got elected again in 2009


L00pback

Wasn’t it Ariel Sharon and Yasser Arifat duking it out in the 90s?


HamburgerEarmuff

No, he never served as Prime Minster in the 1990s. Before 2000, Israel was mostly dominated by Labor-led coalitions, but when Clinton convinced Barak to offer Arafat pretty much the best deal the PA ever had or ever will receive and Arafat rejected it, that pretty much put an end to Labor. It was clear that the Palestinian leadership wasn't serious about peace and Likud promised to actually stop the daily terrorism by separating Israel from the West Bank and Gaza. Sharon took over around the same time as Bush and there hasn't been a center-left coalition ever since. Labor's power has dwindled down ever since.


georgetonorge

He had a 3 year term in the 90’s and then returned as PM for the last 12 years.


thegreedyturtle

As in, he could be back.


ratmand

Que (whoops, *Queue) horror version of Terminator Theme. Edit: Apparently my useage of the word isn’t as common as I thought. Cue is a call to perform an action. How I used "queue" was to line up the next action in sequential order behind my current comment. We are arguing dialectical differences.


Agent641

"I need your clothes, your boots, and your Palestinian territories."


Mediocre-Sale8473

Read that in Arnold's voice with the same delivery of that famous line. Hilarious and unsettling.


OraDr8

It's actually "Cue". Queue - a line of people waiting for something/their turn. "Queue here for tickets" Cue - a signal for a performer or effect. "Cue the lights" or "that's your cue to enter". Que - a common word in French, Portuguese and Spanish that means a lot of things.


RaVashaan

I think the misuse of "que" may stem from an old line of computer and technical books that used that as the imprint name, but it was pronounced "queue."


OraDr8

Ah, that's interesting. It always makes me think of Manuel from Fawlty Towers.


emzirek

Cue* Not to be malicious just instructive


MichJohn67

¿Que?


doesntaffrayed

> Que (whoops, *Queue) horror version of Terminator Theme. Cue actually, but it’s clear what you meant.


DiscoJanetsMarble

Que sera sera


chrisragenj

I think you mean "cue". Just trying to help


cespinar

He was behind a lot of the vile attacks that led to Rabin's assassination


Souperplex

For reference he was the one who sabotaged the Oslo accords.


and1984

Same here... remember him from the 90s


hydromies

sorry for the ignorance, what's a Bibi?


Algaean

Bibi is netanyahu's nickname


SonOfAhuraMazda

Ok, but why bibi?


Neyne_NA

Bibi is short for Binyamin.


MassiveFajiit

Also Hebrew uses reduplication for diminutives so it's kinda like being called Benny over Ben


IQLTD

> reduplication Thanks for this! TIL


RandomCandor

Many other languages do too. My theory (based on nothing at all) is that it's because that's how children say complex names.


MyDogLovesCorn

Ok, but why male models?


AKANotAValidUsername

bibiously? i just told you that


unwrittenglory

I remember reading that line was an ad lib because Ben Stiller forgot his line. Worked extremely well


CanuckianOz

Fuck yes


AnAutisticGuy

Or The Bibster, if you're so inclined.


ErgoDoceo

Al-Bibirino, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.


athura22

I happen to be inclined


JEWCEY

Ha'Bibi


ellieneagain

He’s no habibi


astral-dwarf

Not with that attitude! (his, I mean)


admarton

I guess because his firstname is Benjamin.


hoxxxxx

just like how every guy named Ryan is nicknamed Riri


Pooploop5000

Because its short for bitch baby


Sk-yline1

‘Benjamin’ Netanyahu uses Bibi as a nickname


TwistedPepperCan

The man is a case study on why term limits should be included as standard in any new countries constitution.


Kraz_I

Reminder: Israelis don’t elect their leaders, they vote for political parties. Then political parties try to form a majority coalition in the Knesset (parliament) and THEY decide on the prime minister. Term limits won’t affect much because the coalition will still appoint a prime minister with the same interests and goals as the last one. And you can’t put a term limit on a whole political party.


TwistedPepperCan

I'm from a country with a similar system. The prime minister is still elected but rather than directly by the people it's voted on by members of parliament. Any office can be term limited but I take your point that it's harder to do in a parliamentary democracy.


Wafkak

It also has less effect, here in Belgium most party leaders of the coalition don't have formal positions in government but instead have a strong grip on there mp's and government ministers. In the past this has led to people assuming the real power was with a person outside government, and that's without term limits.


hiricinee

The point of the term limits is to prevent political consolidation of power through name recognition and cult of personality. There are many in the electorate who CERTAINLY selected Netanyahus party by virtue of him being PM. The point is to make it about policy instead of the person.


PimpasaurusPlum

The problem with term limits in a parliamentary system is that governments can form and fall or pms come and go all without an election. In the US system the president gets elected, sits for their term, and then there's another election. Parliamentary systems are much more fluid


hiricinee

I mean we've had Netanyahu for 12 years and the US has reliably rotated party every 4 to 8 years with the exception of 1988 for almost forever. The Parliamentary system by design can be more fluid but in practice seems to consolidate power even more.


Nokomis34

Sounds suspiciously like the original implementation of the US electoral college.


Kraz_I

At least back then, voters elected their own state’s representatives. In Israel, people don’t vote for a local person, they just vote for a party and seats are assigned proportionally.


HamburgerEarmuff

Only their House representative. Most states originally had members of the Senate put in place by the state legislature.


Kraz_I

Which honestly made more sense. This was designed so that, in a local legislative race, you’re probably voting for someone you know personally. They don’t need to campaign, because they’re appealing to people they interact with directly. You vote for someone who you trust to represent your interests because they share your interests. Then you trust THEM to elect a senator and president who they know and trust. Compare that to a system where you vote for the president directly. You don’t know them, you just see their political ads, and if you’re lucky you see them speak at a really big event, but they always stick to their talking points. You have very little say in who gets picked to be a finalist, and you probably won’t have anyone you really like as a finalist. They don’t share your interests so it’s hard for them to take yours seriously. I’d argue that the former is more democratic.


JusticeBlinded

Yes, because if there's anything recent history teaches us, it's that the Arizona Senate should be choosing the US Senator from Arizona. As an example. Our current system sucks, but imagine if US senators didn't even have to have token levels of accountability to the public of the state they represent. You think things are bad now? The largest state Senate in the country is 67 people (most are closer to the 35-45 range). Our situation would be many magnitudes worse if the 100 people in the US Senate only had to be accountable to -half- (plus one) of that number - or, at most, 34 people. In many cases, that number would be less than 20.


TheBewlayBrothers

It works like this in germany too, Merkel could have stayed in power as long as her party keeps getting the most votes (and find other parties for a collation).


SpicyDragoon93

>Seeing him so desperate to stay in power during his last days was pretty satisfying, I have to say The cost was a bunch of dead Palestinians and frightened Israelis.


Slapbox

Let's not pretend Netanyahu wasn't waging war on the Palestinians before this.


SpicyDragoon93

He was\*, but he was perfectly willing to orchestrate one last conflict in a cynical attempt to cling on to what power he had left. Edited because of typo.


hockeyrugby

that is how a lot of parliaments work. It is (in canada and I think the UK and I imagine lots of the commonwealth) called a vote of non confidence and when elected ridings who can overcome the government succeed an election is called. Lots of shit in the past 50 years should have triggered this type of ruling in the US if there was a representative democracy which there is not.


fillinthe___

And in Trumpian fashion, EVERYONE UNITED against him, and he says it’s “the far-left” that overthrew him.


Scaevus

He might be back in a couple of months, when the new coalition collapses over the first sign of controversy. He’s not retiring.


pdipdip

Turkey next?


Fig1024

unfortunately, Turkey is a dictatorship now


Chthulu_

Oh look, a flying pig!


Joker8869

Pick the better of two bad choices. Can't have everything.


ubermeisters

Oh, I know this one! I'll take "American Democracy" for $1000 please Alex!


RushLocates

$100 cause it's so easy


whogivesashirtdotca

You'd think, but they've elected the greater of two evils a number of times in the past.


Yuzumi

Yeah, it's really depressing how relatively cheap it is to buy politicians.


gljivicad

He stated that he is proud for killing arabs in the past. I doubt that anything will be good with him either in that region. The region of Palestine and their inhabitants - Zionist Jews and Palestinians seem to be stuck in this loop where they both want the entirety of the land to themselves for hundreds of years. Middle East is just a region that we should obviously not poke our noses at, because whenever we do, shit goes wild even more Edit: here is the link that confirms his statement. It happened 8 years ago, but it still happened. "Palestinian officials on Tuesday denounced Economy and Trade Minister Naftali Bennett for having reportedly called on Israel to kill captured terrorists and callously boasting that he has already taken the lives of many Arabs without regret." https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-rap-bennett-over-alleged-kill-arabs-remarks/


Ituzzip

They’re stuck in a loop where there is probably a majority of people who are willing to compromise and make peace but they can’t get a working political coalition together because they need people on both sides to hold up the agreement, and it’s too easy for extremists on both sides to blow agreements up. Because as much as liberal/moderate Israelis and liberal/moderate Palestinians want peace, they are still culturally, geographically and linguistically closer to their own conservatives than they are to the other side’s moderates. It will take a lot of moral discipline, and willingness to recognize radical attempts at sabotaging peace, even to the extent of absorbing their violent behavior and continuing to remain peaceful and keep working. That is a lot to ask of people but good leaders have been able to do that before.


gljivicad

I'm aware that it's due to wrong people being elected that they can't come to a peace agreement. However, as someone that grew up in an identical situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina - the peace agreement won't solve the heat between the two nations. What had happened? A "civil" war in Bosnia between two people: serbs and bosniaks. The conflict was bloody, just pure hatred between the two. It was intervened with by NATO in the end, and the peace agreement was conducted as the Dayton agreement. You want to know the consequence of that today? Even though Bosnia is not in a war, it is being deboured from within because we have basicallt 2 countries in one - Republic of Srpska and Federation of B&H. These two are under the same law, but they are not. We have 3 preaidents of each constitutional people, and we are at the brink of poverty, corruption, amd HATRED. I can't put an emphasis how much these regular, everyday people HATE each other based on their nationality (serb or bosniak). How does this translate to Palestine? Even if they reach an agreement for 2 countries - they will forever hate each other for the past. There will be mixed ethnicities in both countries - with Israelis in Palestine and Palestinians in Israel - and they will be discriminated - HARD. If you are not aware of this you can check a few videos with a quick youtube search where people ask either side provocative questions about their neighbour. These regular everyday people either have an openly negative opinion about the other, or they are keeping to themselves neutrally. That's why I'm pessimistic about any kind of future in regions that are in heated conflict for decades, or even centuries.


Ituzzip

I think that is fair pessimism. Basically the origin of the term “Balkanized” that describes when people are so entrenched in their perspective that they cannot see the other. But every generation has a new spin on its culture and a chance to find other priorities. Young people have more and more opportunities to affiliate with an international culture rather than an ethnic one, thanks to the internet. Populations can drift in both directions, so we’ll see what happens.


gljivicad

I appreciate you my friend for understanding my pessimism and point of view. I hope I worded myself well so that I translated everything I wanted to say adequately. English is not my native language, I am still learning every day :) I hope that this hatred gets purified from all 4 of the people that I mentioned, and that we finally see some proper peace in these regions. Also, I have never heard of the term Balkanized, but oh my God is it fucking accurate.


tayloline29

This is kind of beside the point but your English is excellent. It’s very clear and accurate. It’s a duck of a language to learn.


gljivicad

Much appreciated ❤️


Ituzzip

It is often used to in the U.S. describe American politics with the major parties being more and more opposed to each other. I sometimes wonder what people from the region would think of it!


gljivicad

It would put some clarity to some minds, but there are people (unfortunately the majority) who think like sheep. If it's not a mainstream opinion, it's a taboo. I'd tolerate it to an extent, but it also transferred to politics and national patriotism and it's depressing and these people would never have their minds changed


BillyJoeMac9095

The evidence is pretty clear that the internet and social media tends to reinforce existing views, rather than change them, and that people tend to gravitate to sites that offer news and views that support their basic worldview.


Pepperfig_clover

I'm Australian and my sister went to school with a Bosnian and a Serb girl. These kids were 5 years old, born and grew up in Australia and fucking HATED each other. The stuff that would come out of these kids mouths was appalling. Until people stop indoctrinating their kids into hatred, there will never be peace.


gljivicad

Now imagine how the country looks like. I'd strongly argue that around 60% think like this


hopeinson

I've read other Redditors from war-torn countries also being able to unshackle their past identities of hatred, but at the same time being removed from the very support that shaped their identities and become stronger person. I refer to [Johnny Harris' problem about his dereligionisation process](https://youtu.be/aTMsfOcHiJg). It's hard to remove the identity of hate unless you are willing to take in individuals to uncouple their identities and let them discover their own without prejudices. Nobody talked about shouldering the costs of this.


echo_in

Well there are mixed ethnicities in israel. But only arabs in palestinian governed areas...


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alleeele

In Israel the coalition governs and not primarily the prime minister. This coalition is sufficiently left-wing to temper the right-wing nationalism. They are choosing to focus on non-controversial things like infrastructure and Arab minority rights, in order to preserve the fragile coalition. I checked out their agreements and there are some really important ones about term limits, what can lead to elections, and governmental stability. What I’m really hoping for is the plan for two more hospitals to be built and a university in the Galilee. They are sorely needed.


RellenD

I'm just trying to understand what Yamina gets out of this coalition.


alleeele

They’re a 7-mandate party who just got to be prime minister and minister of the interior, among many other things. They played both sides very well. As a small party this was the only way they would ever head the government.


when_adam_delved

Any recommendations for learning about Israel's governing system?


Cyrus_the_Meh

Basically there's a 120 member parliament and to be prime minister you need the support of 61 members. There are like 15 parties so none make up a majority on their own, so to win you need to convince other parties to support you. As a right wing party, Yamina was just one of a handful of supporting parties to Netanyahu, but by being willing to join the other side, they had plenty of power to make demands. The opposition could never win unless one of the right wing parties joined them, and now Yamina gets to be leaders with a lot of influence, rather than just being one of Netanyahu's backup.


SirJamesMonster

Thanks for doing the heavy lifting here. I really didn't want to read the agreements bit it sounds like it may be worth it. It would be nice if things like infrastructure and minority rights weren't controversial. (Stares at US.)


alleeele

Well, everything here is controversial in some way. But the people who chose to be in this coalition want to be able to work together. And Israel has socialist roots. Though some parties are capitalist, or want certain reforms to different policies, universal healthcare is not controversial. And everyone agrees that the hospitals are already overloaded without COVID, especially in the periphery. And following the race riots we had here about a month ago, people have realized there needs to be a change.


sadist-trombone

A university in the Galil would be amazing! Where are they planning to build it?


gotham77

This coalition won’t last two years before it shatters but it doesn’t matter. Netanyahu is a tyrant and when faced with tyranny the opposition parties are supposed to set all their differences aside and make a united front for the sole purpose of defeating that tyranny. That’s what they did and good for them. If the coalition falls apart it won’t matter, at least Netanyahu can no longer bully the prosecutors and judges in his own corruption trial.


Derperlicious

and he was out of power before only to return. My fear is this new coalition is so fragile, that net might be back in power soon. he remains leader of likud, the largest party there. All they have to do is peel off support for this crazy mix for a gov, which shouldnt be too hard to pit sides against each other, and welll we might have net back in a few years. I hope not, hope his legal cases ruin his chances.. and not that Im overly hopeful for change, im just glad nets gone at least temporarily.


EEpromChip

What about his corruption trial? Could that turn into anything that finally ends things for him?


dedicated-pedestrian

One of the agreements of the coalition is term limit legislation which is designed as a r/fuckyouinparticular to Netanyahu.


jceyes

> Remember folks, "*Friends and family come and go, enemies accumulate*." I always say. Tell me the truth. Do you actually say that phrase frequently?


poopyheadthrowaway

Fitting that Naftali means strife.


of-matter

Eh, looks like it's "my struggle", and it was the name of one of the 12 tribes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtali E: not disputing the comment, just a fact~~oid~~ I looked up. > Some biblical commentators have suggested that the name Naphtali may refer to the struggle between Rachel and Leah for the favours of Jacob; Bilhah was the handmaid of Rachel, who was infertile at the time, and had persuaded Jacob to have a child with Bilhah as a proxy for having one with herself. E2: I thought "factoid" was "little fact". RIP


---------_----_---_

>looks like it's "my struggle" Ow. Like the book, huh?


of-matter

It's a small difference, made me think a bit. I threw in the edit hoping I would come off less "aCkShUaLlY..."


dakandy

It's a little early to predict. Netanyahu was just so into Trump, and being Jewish, it literally made me want to puke.


SnakeDoctur

I mean it made sense. Trump was giving Israel everything it asked for. We know Trump can be swayed by flattery so this is no surprise.


cat4you2

Of course he was into Trump, as he got everything he wanted from the US. It's his hawkish ways and insistence that anyone who isn't a Zionist and Israeli Nationalist isn't a Jew that should offend you.


DJHellduck

Bibi wasn’t the only Trump fan out there though. Trump was so gullible that anyone shrewd enough could wrap him around their little finger. Putin, Macron, etc...


texas-is-the-reason

“A new ‘government of change’ will be led by right-wing nationalist Naftali Bennett of the Yamina party.” What’s a right-wing nationalist like in Israel?


Maria-Stryker

He has the position thanks to a power sharing deal with a moderate left party which will take the prime minister’s seat after a few years. It’s not as bad as it seems at first.


Harsimaja

As well as a Muslim party, iirc? Quite a bizarre coalition that seems to be united solely over their dislike for Netanyahu


Gibborim

I'd imagine that there were a variety of political deals made to bring this whole thing together.


lead-holder

No one really knows how the game is played.


ehhillforget

Or how the sausage gets made.


Kimber85

We just assume that it happens.


Shitlala

But no one else is in the room where it happens


dprophet32

Assuming a right wing nationalist government won't make a power grab to stop a party they fundamentally disagree with from taking over.


MGD109

If Netanyahu couldn't pull that off whilst leading the countries largest party and after nearly a decade of rule. What makes you think Bennett can do so after two years whilst controlling a party that has a grand total of seven seats?


canseco-fart-box

And dependent on two left wing parties and an Arab party. Bennett can’t do shit


Ghede

basically, Bennett gets to be known as the prime Minister that took down and imprison Netanyahu, and can maybe use that to try and grow their right wing party by cannibalizing Netanyahu's base, but they can't really pass any of those right wing policies because the coalition depends on opposing votes. Unfortunately, I don't see this ending well. It's kicking the can down the road, trading todays problems for the same problem a few years from now.


whogivesashirtdotca

If Netanyahu goes to jail, though, it suggests Israeli politics will be cleaning itself up and setting a precedent. There's value in that.


TalMilMata

Netanyahu is already standing trail, but it will be at least 3 or 4 years before there will be a verdict (and even that before appeals). We are a few months into the trail, and we’re still with the first witness out of more then 300 witnesses. It will take a long time.


BillyJoeMac9095

Maybe, but I'd wait a bit before jumping to those conclusions.


Aliensinnoh

I imagine what might happen is Netanyahu gets convicted and removed from Likud leadership, then Bennet dumps his current coalition partners to coalition with Likud under a new leader.


canseco-fart-box

That’s not going to happen. Yamina and Likud don’t even crack 50 seats together. They’d need the haredi parties and they are absolutely livid with Bennett rn. It’s either keep the coalition going or fresh elections and no one wants that


alleeele

He is very right-wing but it doesn’t matter because this coalition has too many Arab and left-wing elements for him to ever be able to execute right-wing plans.


Beneficial_Long_1215

Can’t he work with Likud (Bibi’s party)? They are pretty right wing. There’s a right wing majority still. Just not ones that back Bibi


alleeele

The secular right-wingers hate how he has used ultra-orthodox control to keep his power, while others hate him for being corrupt. Still others think he’s been in power too long and Israel needs a change of status quo. That’s why some have allied against him.


TheGarbageStore

The government is expected to be big-tent, reminiscent of Obama's 2009 coalition. Naftali Bennett, a religious Zionist, is the most powerful person in the coalition but he is expected to govern from the center and pursue closer relations with the United States. You can think of him as kind of like Joe Manchin but it's an inexact metaphor.


TheRavenSayeth

I haven't seen anything saying Bennett is expected to be center during his time.


RaidRover

>What’s a right-wing nationalist like in Israel? Like Netanyahu. Who was also a right wing nationalist. Maybe slightly less bad since netanyahu's party often worked with the fascist parties in Israel.


nobaconator

Yamina's leader Bennet is hawkish when it comes to Israel's security, does not want to remove settlements, does not want to seek an immediate negotiated peace. That's about it.


vix86

This coalition government is kind of crazy. Most of my knowledge on this subject comes from what Phillip DeFranco has covered on it, but in a nutshell: The Israel parliament is a collection of different parties -- its not just 2 parties like in the US. Netanyahu's party holds a large number of seats while the other parties are smaller and have fewer seats. In the past the parties that were more conservative gathered together and fell in behind/allied with Netanhyahu's party to get him voted in. What has happened today though is that both progressive and conservative parties have come to an agreement and came together to vote in someone else. To put this into perspective it'd be like Democrats and Republicans in the US coming to an agreement on who the president should be. In Israel many of the parties working together for this coalition government have been at each other's throats in the past and have some pretty big ideological and policy differences. So that's why this coalition is pretty amazing. How long it lasts though is a different story.


Tersaldi

What’s even crazier is that it’s not just right-wing & left-wing parties. You’ve got secular nationalists, religious nationalists, Islamists, social democrats, centrist neoliberals, and socialists all banding together to oust Netanyahu.


Lirdon

It took Netanyahu 15 years, but he’s proven that if he backstabs enough people, they will rise against him.


AdministrationFew451

That's a pretty accurate description of what happened. Three of those parties are lead by people who were his right hands, including the new PM. Another one is led by a guy he promised a rotation with but then ended the government.


nobaconator

Who is social Democrat and who is socialist?


Tersaldi

Meretz are social democrats, while Labor was founded by people from what was then the USSR, based socialist principles.


thelollipops

Meretz are more left wing than labor these days actually. Labor is the new iteration of Map’ai (the Israeli workers’ party) and Meretz is the new iteration of Mapam (the United worker’s party). Both of them were workers’ parties but Mapam and Meretz are and we’re more to the left than Labor.


droid_does119

I mean in alot of European democracies there are alot of parties and requires coalitions of different sorts in order to govern. There are several examples you can read about how X country is needing weeks to come up with a coalition in order to govern. Compromise and proportional representation even of the extremes is the norm in Europe....... The US and to an extent the UK where I am are infamous for having effectively 2 party systems which means either an OK centre ground or lurches to the left and right depending on who's been voted in.


MsRaeven

Kinda similar in Canada. We have multiple parties, but realistically the federal government switches between the Conservative Party and the Liberal Party. But fortunately votes for other parties create coalitions. Personally, I prefer how coalitions have to work together, it feels like a more fair representation. /signed, an Optimist


Cryllium

Now arrest him for corruption and crimes against humanity.


dakandy

I found it quite amusing that Netanyahu's first statement has to do with the new guy not 'standing up' to Joe Biden. I really do. BTW I'm Jewish by birth and ancestry, even according to Ancestry. Netanyahu was a disgrace to what the Jewish faith stands for IMHO. He was just too corrupt and the way he bombed that building with the AP was suspect.


TheNoxx

Par for the course for Netanyahu. Remember when he came to the US during Obama's term without an invitation to basically shit talk him and his diplomatic negotiations with Iran front of Congress?


dakandy

Yes. About the Iran deal the year of an election. Obama was pissed.


zoicyte

Isn’t he (netenyahu) from Philly originally?


SleepyDude_

No, he lived there for a few years in high school but he was born in tel Aviv and grew up in Jerusalem.


MrJoyless

>but he was born in tel Aviv and grew up in Jerusalem. This is factually incorrect. He was born in ~~Jerusalem~~ Israel, yes (and is the first Israel born PM). But he spent the large amounts of his childhood in the US, and only returned during the summers when he was visiting his brother or brought back by his dad/when he made enough to make the flight in his youth. It's more of a 50/50 US/Israel split for his formative years. He came back for his mandatory service, and returned during war time which was often, but even then, until his run at politics BiBi mostly lived in the US. Edited because I said the wrong birthplace cuz I'm dumb.


3sheets2IT

>Par for the course for Netanyahu. Remember when he came to the US during Obama's term without an invitation to basically shit talk him and his diplomatic negotiations with Iran front of Congress? He was invited, just not by Obama. He was invited by the opposition party to give an overtly partisan speech to congress. I think that will go down as an historically significant event in terms of the changing Israel's domestic support among Americans.


applejacksparrow

Yeah, and the worms in the GOP were the ones who invited him.


HenryWallacewasright

Another reason to hate Netanyahu is he said Hitler didn't want to kill the Jews. [link](https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/21/middleeast/netanyahu-hitler-grand-mufti-holocaust/index.html)


starmartyr

He didn't exactly say that, but what he did say was much worse. He is correct that Hitler had not committed to the "final solution" in 1940 they viewed deportation of Jews as an option. Extermination was proposed and accepted at the Wanassee conference in 1942. Netanyahu asserted that the idea came to him after meeting with the Mufti of Jerusalem who told him that he should burn the Jews. They did meet at the time, although there is no recording or transcript of their conversation. What Netanyahu did was fabricate a historical anecdote to place blame on the Palestinians for the holocaust. This was blatant hatemongering built on a bigoted lie.


HenryWallacewasright

Should I rewrite my comment to better reflect the article? I don't want to come off misinforming people.


LordBiscuits

You're better off leaving it to show context for the comment after.


thefirdblu

You *can* make an edit, but for the context of the comment explaining, add it as a postscript.


beengus_feengus

The [Haavara Agreement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement) complicates things even further. Hitler (arguably) helped establish the state of israel.


ImWorthMore

Who exactly is mufti? Is he referring to any Muslim legal scholar?


HenryWallacewasright

He is referring to Haj Amin al-Husseini who met with Hitler. He was a Palestine that oversaw the Muslim areas of British Levant from what I read.


ImWorthMore

Ah I see thanks


Lumi_s

He not only met Hitler, but had met many top Nazi officials such as Himmler and was part of the discussions as to what the answer to the "Jewish Problem" should be. He was also paid a monthly salary by the Nazis to espouse their propaganda and whatever else they needed him for.


Thatoneguy13130

I saw an interview with the new guy though and he didn't seem that great either. He basically said that the Bible should overrule Israel's Supreme Court when it came to taking Palestinian land.


QuintoBlanco

That should tell you something. The right, the left, hawks, doves, Palestinian Israelis, they all came together to get rid of Netanyahu.


CasualAwful

Yeah, I explained it to a family member as "Imagine Mitch McConnell and Pelosi agreeing to a coalition so they could finally be rid of Trump" Not a perfect mix but definitely a case of we don't agree on anything but "fuck Bibi"


Used-Lie-5150

It's actually more like red Cruz and AOC getting together.


georgetonorge

God they should have done that when they (with Pence) called the National Guard in without Trump’s permission. If ever there was a time that he was clearly not capable of doing his job.


Keman2000

All respect to you, from what I've seen, your opinion is the common one. Everyone always talks about Israel this and that, but they never point out that non-Israeli Jewish people have often come at odds to Israel's actions, and as you can tell from the recent elections, even its people were not happy. Instead of just playing "x is always right," we need to focus on what the people are saying a little more. Many countries have poorly setup republics and democracies that don't always provide an accurate image of the people's will, and just because someone is in power, does not mean people want them in.


orr2

His trial for corruption has been going on for a few months now


TheNoxx

Would love to see him at the Hague.


DukeOfGeek

Holy crap I can't believe this actually happened. So is it possible he might face actual criminal prosecution now? I'd just accepted that he was untouchable a few years ago and that was that.


AdministrationFew451

He is already in trail, that's actually going so far pretty bad for the prosecution.


MGD109

Israel has arrested other prime minsters for corruption, it could happen.


nobaconator

He already does. Court cases take time.


SnuggleMonster15

So is this the part where he holds a rally and starts an insurrection?


dakandy

The new guy has already been sworn in though. But maybe,


Handleton

I heard that Netanyahu is just doing this to test the resolve of his followers and to give his enemies a false sense of security and that he's going to reclaim power in the evening of September 6th. /s


go_kartmozart

I heard this from Quentin Yahoo. He's got all the inside dope. Some dude with high level clearance inside the Mossad. I also have some ocean front property in Arizona you can DM me about if you believe any of this and are interestad.


Handleton

I love the idea of Quentin Yahoo. That's a great upgrade to my snarky comment.


Christabel1991

You mean the rally where participants hold pictures of the current prime minister in SS uniform, shouting that he's a traitor? The kind of rally that incites someone to murder the prime minister? That's so 1995.


0zymandeus

He clearly pays the same pr people as Trump. Hes already talking about shadow governments and globalists and hitting all the same identity politics talking points.


ringthree

A shadow government, or shadow cabinet, is the opposition when out of power in a parliamentary government. I'm not sure of the context that you are referencing for Netanyahu's statement. And he definitely pulls from Trumps playbook. But in this case he may be referencing the actual opposition government.


northernirishlad

Wait till he is back under a Netanew name


Sk-yline1

*Cici Netanyahu*


monkeychasedweasel

No, Peepee.


nobaconator

It would ofcourse be Gigi. After Bet is Gimel.


pfojes

The Dingo got the Bibi


redmustang04

I will always believe this. If Beni's older brother Yoni didn't die at the raid of Entebbe to rescue those Israeli hostages in Uganda, Yoni would have been Prime Minister multiple times. He was considered a huge hero and would have been essentially untouchable if he had lived.


_never_knows_best

He’s untouchable _because_ he died. Had he survived and gone on to career full of hard fought elections and political compromises, he would no longer be so.


H0vis

This is why proportional representation works. People with nothing particular in common except a desire to toss out some crooked old fuck have found a way to bridge their differences and make it happen.


throwaway17732

Counterpoint: This took 15 years to accomplish. Seems like if you have a large enough base and enemies with nothing in common you can hold office with a small plurality


ideology_checker

Yes but it was possible because there are more than two parties some thing like this can't happen in a two party system. Even if a group of republican's are horribly opposed to the leadership of the the republican party there's no meaningful way they can change the leadership of there own party because the system isn't set up to allow for either party to interfere with each others leadership or to create a 3rd solution so while technically those republicans could go rogue and side with dems to out republicans its near certain political suicide to do so not to mention doing so is against even their best interests in the long term even if it didn't kill their careers. Without a good way for smaller political groups to hold and maintain part of the political power any politician has to at some level be beholden to one of the two political groups because if they are not they are invariably crushed by there own party look at Liz Cheney. Essentially for non 3rd parties to be viable you need something like proportional representation so that people vote for the party they want to represent them and then those parties pick who gets the seats that that party won. This means that parties even if they only hold a small percentage of support will be able to win and hold seats since this is the case even a party that can only maintain one seat can have some amount of power if they are willing and able to build coalitions. This leads to the ability and even incentive to build coalition governments and most importantly fights partisanship and incentivizes compromise.


MurderDoneRight

Now it's just Putin, Lukashenko, al-Assad, Erdogan, Bolsaro, Jinping, Duterte.... ok there's a lot of idiot leaders left in the world.


Legitimate-Text-8010

He should be arrested


De_chook

Hoping for that well-deserved jail sentence now.


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