Man who slapped Emmanuel Macron gets four-month jail sentence | France
By - ssilBetulosbA
That was a swift prosecution
France uses an inquisitorial system, so the guy was arrested and then almost immediately a judge was able to look at the video and sentence him, I assume this was all expedited too, considering the circumstances and the fact he never denied it.
Nobody expected the French Insquistion eh
Had that been in USA against the US president, it would have been 1 year to prosecute and he would have gotten a 5-10 year sentencing.
if it were in the USA, Secret Service would've blown his head off
The protection detail for the president has to rush anyone attacking him, so they've ended up tackling pretty much everybody who's ever attacked the president.
John Hinkley, Sara Moore and Lynette Fromme were all tackled. I don't think the protection detail has ever actually shot anyone.
Fun fact: my friend is a sheriff's deputy. When Obama came to town, they came to the sheriff's office to ask for support. Before Obama arrived, the Secret Service warned the deputies that if something happened, they were to face *away* from the President at all times, and to *never* turn around around to face him, and to leave their backs to him at all times. The idea was that the SS was there immediately around the president, so if *anyone*, even the deputies, turned around, the SS would assume they were part of whatever caused the disturbance, and would be shot.
Makes sense, to be honest. They have absolutely no way of knowing whether Deputy Bumblefuck from Kickapoo is a potential threat to the President or not. It's not like cops get robust background checks or security clearance investigations or anything, they may as well just be randos off the street as far as the secret service is concerned.
And with the training they basically are that. They usually get less training than licensed hairdressers.....
They are randos off the street as any of us are concerned.
And the possibility of Deputy Fife trying to determine the threat and blasting guys manhandling the president.
Except for JFK
No, they wouldn’t.
Depends on his complexion
If it was in Texas, the guy would've blown the head off the president
And then the person's family would proceed to try and sue...
Swift 4 month sentence too.
Seems politically expedited to maintain appearances.
Slap the president? Straight to jail.
Don’t slap the president? Believe it or not, Jail.
Overcooked baguette? Jail. Undercooked baguette, also jail
Under buttered croissant? Guillotine.
Over cooked chicken? Straight to yail
Son of the president? Straight to Yale.
Really cold and there's a thunderstorm nearby? Straight to hail.
Now my ceiling's leaking? Straight to pail.
Undercook fish? Believe it or not, jail.
> Tarel described himself as a rightwing or extreme-right “patriot” and member of the gilets jaunes economic protest movement. He shouted a centuries-old royalist war cry as he hit the president.
Fucking royalists now too?
A Bourbon Monarchist or Bonapartist?
"*Montjoie Saint-Denis*" is closely associated with the old regime and knighthood, both the First and the Second Empires rejected, so my bet is he's a Bourbon monarchist.
Now is he a Main Branch Bourbon monarchist or a Bourbon-Orléans monarchist... Eh, that's what having three competing heirs to the throne is like.
Saint Denis i know that place in rdr2
omg I sort of understand this. Thanks, Mike Duncan.
Bourbon, Bonapartists are pro Macron, hell given his speech on the 200th anniversary of Napoleon's death I think everyone in France knows that Macron is a Bonapartist too
Aren't Bourbon monarchists inherently anti-Napoleonists?
The media outcry that happened because of that was a sight to see ("Insult to France", "Attack on BLM because this and this" etc.). I imagine more people supported him attending that ceremony just based on that.
The Bonapartes were emperors not kings if I remember correctly. I guess the question is whether he is supporting the house of Bourbon or the house of Orleans
The House of Plantagenet, surprisingly.
What do you think far right ideology is about?? Everything about the ideology of the far right is pointing towards a return to autocracy
Which is funny, because these people are the same to call everyone else sheep and they want a government system where you're literally following one person and doing everything they say... like a shepherd... for sheep...
Does the French royal family even still exist? Didn’t they all get their heads chopped off in the revolution?
There are. There’s even a nonprofit for them:
> The Association for Mutual Help of the French Nobility (ANF) was founded in the 1930s after two French nobles realized that the porter who was carrying their luggage shared their noble roots and decided to create and manage a fund for those nobles who needed help. Yes, there's a non-profit for nobles, that's still active today in France.
The fuck is happening with this timeline. Fascist clowns, a nationalist uprising and now people that want royalty back.
They're trying really hard to paint him as an awful person in general to justify this absurdly harsh sentence. This wasn't even a proper slap and Macron is a little bitch for letting that poor fucker go to jail for 4 months. What a lack of character.
Lol… what country you live? Can People slap you for fun?
Absurdly harsh? Nah. It’s probably not enough. We live in a civilized society. You can’t just go around slapping people, especially the president. How do you even come to such an asinine conclusion?
It's more about things like a slap is assault and battery. Technically a violent crime, and if you let violent crime against public officials slide or get off easy it emboldens others. Next time it's a closed fist punch and while that sounds worse but not that bad many people don't know how easy it is to punch someone and kill them.
Is a slap worth 4 months in jail, probably not, but is setting an example to others that may attempt the same or similar important? Yes. If you disagree with Macron or any other politician then vote them out and support their opposition, slapping him does nothing but set a bad example for others on how to properly conduct political discourse.
I buy that argument. It's to deter others. Still don't like how they try to paint it in the media. It's clearly extremely biased because if you would leave out these details probably more people might come to the conclusion that Macron is a little bitch.
What do you mean it's the media painting a bad picture of him ? The guy said it himself, he is a far right extremist and shouted a monarchist war cry before doing it.
What are French laws for assault? Or whatever he's been charged with? That's the litmus test for whether or not it's a harsh sentence.
Premeditated assault should carry a way longer sentence tbh. Fuck anyone like that.
He said he did it in the moment without thinking. How do you know it was predetermined? Also did you even watch the video? This wasn't a slap. It's almost like he caressed his cheek, his head doesn't even move away. It's completely ridiculous.
Fuck the heat of the moment argument, then anyone can just get off lighter by lying about it.
It was just a slap.
I hope you don’t have a wife
Man....they don’t mess around over there. In the US his trial would’ve started in 2025.
That's a specific process called "comparution immédiate" that can be applied only in certain kind of misdemeanor (not for crimes), when evidence is just irrefutable and only if the accused and his lawyer agree to it. It was installed some years ago as part of a much needed effort to unburden law courts.
That’s a pretty good idea. I can see how it could be misused, but I like the idea.
How would it be misused if both sides have to agree?
But that's not specific to this particular process, right?
Coercion, I suppose?
It diminishes the chance of coercion. Any system can be abused, but in the US the long waiting time before a trial is often used to force a suspect to accept a plea bargain.
Plea bargains are fucked up. They get people to plea to something they may actually be innocent of because the gamble is they might get a full sentence if it goes before a judge and/or jury. 'Take 3 months now, or take your chances with a 5 year sentence.'
It's about winning a case no matter what instead of learning the truth and finding justice.
Exactly. And if somebody doesn't have good legal representation because they can't afford to hire a good lawyer, prosecutors will pad the charges just to get a good bargaining position.
The whole US legal system is based on winning and punishment. It should be based on justice and, whenever possible, rehabilitation.
Yeah no I don't disagree that it sounds like a pretty good system.
I dunno. I'd imagine it's at least as much the case that defendants, who are almost always actually guilty, are abusing the system in order to secure the plea bargain. Not only does it get them a better deal, but if they manage to get out on bail (e.g. white collar criminals) it allows them to keep their freedom a bit longer. If this happened in the US the prosecution would still take forever for that reason; the prosecution would be happy to go trial because he was caught red-handed by witnesses after committing the crime on tape. It's the defendant who would drag it out.
Defendants have the right to a good defense. That is not abusing the system.
The main problem with white collar crime is that judges and juries are lenient. So from a prosecutor's perspective, there isn't that much to gain from trying to go for a maximum problem.
Another problem is that public servants (many of whom are elected) don't like to ruffle feathers.
> Defendants have the right to a good defense. That is not abusing the system.
Grinding the system to a halt in order to extract concessions concerning the punishment for your guilt can't be construed as a "defense". It's done in bad faith and does not address the evidence against you or invoke/secure any of your rights. In a perfect world the courts would all be well-staffed and this would not be an option that's available to them. As it is now, it qualifies as an abuse. Confessed criminals should not be able to get lighter sentences by dragging things out.
> The main problem with white collar crime is that judges and juries are lenient. So from a prosecutor's perspective, there isn't that much to gain from trying to go for a maximum problem.
It doesn't have to be white collar criminals. Just an example. Chauvin was given bail. His was a high-profile case where people were out for blood, and he probably imagined someone on the jury might let him skate, so he probably didn't delay as much as he could, and the prosecution likely was not as willing to give him a deal. But if he knew the outcome in advance maybe he would've tried harder to prolong it.
The problem here is that you assume that people are guilty and that the prosecution has made the right assessment when they determined the penalty they ask for.
In a system where the vast majority of cases do not go to trial, it makes sense that defendants want to get a good plea bargain.
Would you be willing to go to prison for another extra 6 months to speed up the judicial process?
There is a very simple solution to reducing the number of cases.
The US should stop over-criminalize drug use. Less sting operations would also help.
There’s a (massive) difference in judicial systems, which is why this was comparatively so quick.
Right? Didn’t this just happen on like Wednesday?
You should look up John Hinckley Jr. He shot Pres. Reagan and a couple of agents and not only did they not shoot him back, they actually protected him from being killed by someone else, like how Lee Harvey Oswald was killed.
In other words, they wanted him alive to be able to question him to see if he was ordered by someone else to do it.
that was a long time ago.
True, but I think it was the last time a US President was physically attacked, other than W getting a shoe thrown at him.
W was also assaulted by a pretzel
That was actually kind of funny, mostly because nobody was hurt, but also because he ducked that thing like he'd had practice.
I've always kinda liked Laura, even when I've despised her husband, and I like to imagine she's a shoe thrower when he's fucked up.
“He was given four months in prison”
Ya, they really don’t mess around! /s
To be fair it was a very limp wristed slap. It was more of an agressive caress with a slight follow through.
I saw Slapping Emmanuel at Lollapalooza
Quite hard heads with the thickest of skulls as well.
Usually soft and squishy as they're so full of shit.
That's it? I got some politician slappin to do.
4 now plus 14 suspended, it's not light considering there was apparently no premeditation and the guy is a bit of a nutjob.
Got his pal in hot water too. Illegal possession of weapons is up to 5 years.
>Another man arrested in the ruckus that followed the slap, identified by the prosecutor as Arthur C, will be judged at a later date, in 2022, for illegal possession of weapons.
Slapper harder than a grany then, make it worth
And turn 4 months into 4 years.
thats what i'm sayin #worthit
If I could slap any world leader and only get 4 months in jail, I'd be so happy. Lol
Yeah. Try that on Putin or Xi Jinping or Duterte or Kim Jong Un.
Slap Xi, you and your family's organs get harvested the following week.
You can slap any world leader you like, some leaders just once
Three generations will be punished for that
Nah man, your bloodline would stop excisting pretty soon.
If Justin (Canadian PM) got slapped he'd apologize for whatever our government did 100 years ago, then hug the slapper.
The bloke who headbutted Australia's prime minister got 2 months in gaol.
That was insanely fast.
And once he gets out, he'll never have to pay for another drink again.
Good luck finding a decent job with a criminal record…
Interviewer: And what would you say your greatest achievement is?
Guy: I'm the guy that slapped the president.
Interviewer: You're hired.
It depends if he recognises the potential employee because then they can make up a reaso , as a general principle it is illegal to request this kind of information
Wow. France handles cases pretty fast. Although the evidence was like right there on video.
This is clearly an exception. My sister works in assurance for body harm accident and she has clients dying of their handicap before they're awarded any money, more than a year later
In France, if you get arrested for a crime committed less than 24h ago, the whole procedure is a lot quicker. Police have wide ranging powers and when found you can be tried within less than a week.
In the US the trial wouldnt start for 5 years, bail would likely be set in the millions if any bail at all, the court/lawyer fees would financially cripple the defendant, whenever the trial actually started it would cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars, and depending on the race and/or gender of the defendant there would be a huge contrast of sentences.
And this is all assuming they dont get suicided immediately.
That was a pretty weak slap tbh, the kind of slap you expect from people who thinks being a nazi is cool in 2021…
actually assaulting people, even asshats like macron, isn't really OK.
what the guy should have done is farted in his general direction to make sure he understood your contempt.
If he’d have slapped you or me, I doubt he’d have received a prison sentence (imho).
Exactly. I'm surprised people in the comments think this is a lenient punishment. I see this is being compared to what would happen in the US, which might indeed carry even more severe repercussions, however that's not a good comparison to make.
If he caused him any physical harm, then sure, the sentence would be warranted perhaps. But this was nothing more than an insult, a mild bitch slap.
Still, he attacked the leader of the country. You can't set a precedent that gives no punishment for such a thing.
Personally, I think a fine would be more appropriate than jail time.
> protected class where every little infraction against them results in maximum punishment
First of all, fuck every politician.
But also, if the politician in question is the leader of your country, yes it's punishable to randomly smack them in the face.
Oh and maximum punishment? Dude got 4 months in jail. If I could trade 4 months of my life to slap Borish Johnson I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Assault is still assault. The only reason nothing would happen for you or me is we wouldn't bother spend money taking this to court. Buddy can't just go around slapping people even if it's with the strength of a toddler.
That's not how this works. You don't take people to criminal court.
You can sue them but that's it.
The police give evidence, then someone like a district attorney decides on the charges, then you go to trial.
But you bring the problem to the police - or the district attorney directly
What does this have to do with r/someDonkus comment about how much a person spends determines if someone goes to jail or not?
Where did I say money spent = jail time? Please direct quote it or stop lying
What's your reading comprehension level at?
You said "The only reason nothing would happen for you or me is we wouldn't bother spend money taking this to court."
Well then he was charged wasn't he? For assault? I don't see the problem? Don't assault people seems like a normal stance. Had he slapped a random dude he'd still deserve his time
Edit for additional info: "He said he and his friends had considered bringing an egg or a cream pie to throw at the president, but had dropped the idea – and insisted that the slap wasn’t premeditated."
So I genuinely don't see how his ass didn't belong in jail
The only reason nothing would happen for you or me is we wouldn't bother spend money taking this to court.
I was replying to that ^
Go ahead and down vote me, I'm up voting you so others can get a laugh.
This is extremely lenient. The whole purpose is to make an example of this guy to prevent others from doing it. Imagine if all he got was a few months of probation. There would be people waiting to slap Macron everywhere he goes.
Jail time is never lenient. A fine would be lenient in my book.
Except nowadays there will be people who will pay his fine or crowdsource it. Exactly how much would you say he would need to pay? He could easily get more than 100k from crowd sourcing alone.
I think it's a fair warning. The guy sound like an impulsive nutjob, decided to slap the president on the spot because "he saw his fake friendly face trying to turn him into a party member" (for real, that's what he said during trial), so the sentence is strong enough to keep people from following, without looking dictatorial.
>I'm surprised people in the comments think this is a lenient punishment.
I think they're full of shit (or trying to push people to act). Hard time and being known as the president slapper in a country with 9% unemployment? Regular people struggle to get minimum wage desk jobs, he'll be unloading trucks with daily contracts for the rest of his life.
I agree with you- elected officials forget they work for the people - I don’t want the country leader to be treated better or worse than the citizens he supposed to represent. If I had been assaulted in France, the coppers would have given me another couple of slaps just for reporting it
Yeah, pretty stupid for anyone to give him a sentence for this
Four months jail for that slap is pretty ridiculous, the only person put in danger with the act was the guy doing the slapping potentially getting destroyed by security.
Jail time as a dissuasive punishment is dumb as fuck for shit like this.
The man will be going to sleep every night for a very long time thinking how lucky he was just to be slapped. Might want to step up security.
I'm not defending the guy but 4 months for slapping someone?
If he had slapped my I doubt he'd even have to pay a fine.
i mean, it’s the president. i hate the government as much as the next guy, but it’s a different status. it sucks, but that’s the way it is
It's an aggravating circumstance. He was charged with "violence against a representative of the public authority", which is the kind of charge you would get for slapping a huge array of people (max sentence of 3 years in jail and €45k fine).
It covers any government official from the president to mayors (including their staff). It also covers cops, military, customs, bailiffs, notaries, ticket inspectors in public transit, and poll workers.
Is there a GoFundMe account?
The last we did a gofundme like..Macron government steal all the money ...for real
Your government, our government…..seems they are very similar
This is the most French headline I’ve ever read. The only way to top it would be if he slapped him with a croissant.
It would take guts to slap the prime minister. Crazy, stupid guts.
For a slap? Who gives a shit, maybe if he threw a punch, but not a slap
You could say it’s just a slap on the wrist
But help kill 12 people in 2015 and it takes 6 years to complete a trial.
Je suis Charlie.
If that happened to Joe Biden in the US the slapper would have been killed.
“Have a great summer. See you next year!”
worth it to say you slapped ‘em.