Two passengers on Celebrity Millennium cruise test positive for Covid-19
By - beltran_randy
> All guests were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours before from St. Maarten Saturday,
The vaccination cards have absolutely nothing that would make them even remotely difficult to fake. It's really unfortunate.
At least everyone who didn’t fake it is going to be ok
Ah Darwinism really coming into full effect on that cruise ship
Yeah, kind of glad humanity is taking a turn with the vaccine. Anyone who's not vaccinated in a first world country where they had plenty, cough cough America, is a dumb ass who's going to be crying when they won't let them into their favorite bar come next month. (except for states that have governments that don't care)
I was told that me and everyone else that got the vaccine will be dead within three years.
My brother-in-law has been saying he was going to wait until the “human trials” were complete to see how many of us die before he would take any vaccine. Then this week he texted that he and his wife have COVID-19 that they either contracted at Church or the hospital they work for. 😑
I can't imagine working at a hospital and not wanting to be protected from at least half the shit the patients are shedding
Yeah, me too, but my BIL is unfortunately into the Q. I can’t believe the hospital doesn’t require vaccination for employees, though.
Ah. I assume he thinks that trump will solve everything after being reinstated this August.
Sorry for your loss dude..
Far more likely the church is the source.
Thoughts and prayers
Exactly. He f***** around and found out.
Play stupid games...
Applying for a Darwin Award...
This is the internet. You can say "fuck".
!remind me 3 years
Please update the rest of us on when you die from the vaccine, thank you very much.
I hope so.. I don’t know if I can take more than 3 years of Qcumber ideology becoming more mainstream.
I know. These Qcumbers are beginning to get Qcumbersome.
This is just nonsense. The real plan has always been to turn us into magnets so that our bodies could be used to power the next generation of Jewish space lasers.
Crap, now I have Mel Brooks "Jews in Space" stuck in my head.
Wait! Maybe all of these magnets we are getting will be what helps change the orbit of the moon thus negating the effects of climate change!!
Also carrying a 5G bug. And apparently being magnetic now.
"Now serving vaccinated people and filthy liars"
Can't lie your way out of covid unfortunately. If so, Trump would have super immunity.
I just wish I could get vaccinated where I live right now. Legally can’t so just stuck. It’s fucked (Australia btw)
Or when they get covid and well anyone who actually paid attention to facts or works in healthcare knows how that goes.
I don't get this sentiment. The overwhelming majority of those people will have zero issues if they catch COVID. Ideally, we want to kill the spread of the virus but to pretend all these anti-vaxxers are going to die is laughable.
Probably, but there are some immune compromised people that get the vaccine and it's not effective because they don't have the immune response to the vaccine. That also means they could bring the virus onboard with them despite a negative test which could have been taken too soon after contact to have detectable levels.
Also the vaccine may not be 100% effective, so it could be that 95% of the people without fake cards will be okay. Or they all could be, we're still learning how well it works and in what scenarios.
Not necessarily so. While the vaccines are very effective in the population as a whole, for some subgroups they are less effective. For example, elderly people are all generally immune suppressed and do not respond as well to vaccines. In April, an unvaccinated worker at a senior living facility infected a large number of people, and killed three. All the infected people had been vaccinated.
Good thing cruise ships don't have many old people.
That's why I cannot wait for kids under 12 to get vaccinated. Once everyone who wants to get vaccinated- including those that hesitated but eventually got it, I don't give one iota of a fuck what happens to those who choose willful ignorance and stupidity of not getting vacccinated against COVID-19 (or anything else for that matter).
Sorry, my empathy is spent. I used to hear medical transport helicopters fly over my house every two to three hours from NYC to Albany and surrounding areas to treat covid-19 patients early in the pandemic for at least two to three months or more. I cannot look at helicopters the same way ever again because of what happened. So fuck those who continue to choose to not get vaccinated.
We enrolled the two youngest kids in the Pfizer study.
How do you do that?
Just curious because we would love to ours vaxxed ASAP.
This is the one we enrolled in you can also search covid 19 clinical trials, they're taking place all over the country
I'm *sure* the law and order crowd would never fake a vaccine card.
It's only overzealous "law and order" if you are a person of color
You can still get infected after having been fully vaccinated and PCR tests have pretty high false negatives when scaled up. With the numbers of passengers on a boat like this I don’t find it surprising.
Just like a social security card.
My state overhauled our driver license/IDs a few years ago. Flashy background, special reflective coating, barcode on the back, the works.
I can't believe our national ID is nothing more than a 9-digit number on a piece of paper.
They serve different purposes. The SS card initially said "not for identification" and then was changed to "for tax purposes" or something to that effect. The number is just a number.
People against a national ID would flip if the social security card actually had ID security features.
Valid point, I do remember reading something that stated SSNs were a "make-do" form of identification. "Every citizen has one, so why not use it?" Kind of thing. But it bugs me that they haven't made any big moves to update that system.
I haven't met anyone who is against a national ID (yet), but I'm hoping they're a small group who is blatantly unaware that identity theft is now a rampant problem. (Sovcits, for example)
Realistically I'd imagine if they faked it they'd be open to huge potential financial liability. It'll certainly happen and almost always without consequence but for something like this it might be possible to actually pin something on them.
That said, it is possible to get COVID after the vaccine, just less likely and typically less severe. The tests also aren't 100% accurate so it is hard to know for sure from a limited story like this one.
At 95 percent efficacy there's a 0.25 percent chance that those two people would both have gotten the virus if both were vaccinated... Versus about a 25-40 percent chance they're anti-vax idiots since they're American. If I was a betting man my money would be on fraud...
You don't even need to fake them. It's ridiculous.
When I got mine at CVS, they checked me in and gave me the filled out card, then left for a few minutes before coming back and giving me the vaccine. I could have walked out with an official card saying I had my vaccine without getting it.
My wife got hers at Rite Aid. She was checked in at the front of the store, given a fully filled out card and told to go to the back of the store to get the vaccine. She could have walked out with the card saying she was fully vaccinated.
[All four times I took my kids to Walgreens to get their vaccinations, there was literally a stack of cards sitting there, with no one around](https://twitter.com/SoCalChrisW/status/1402736552581627908). Someone could easily grab a stack of them and walk out.
Not to mention the states that had PDF files of the cards on their websites for providers to download and print.
We really need a way to verify people's vaccination status.
When I went it was filled out (mostly), but there is a section where you need to fill in the vial number of the vaccine that was given to you. That I doubt would be filled out and sitting in a stack for someone to take...
The card I have, the lot number was scribbled in and illegible.
Shit I forgot mine when I went for the second shot and they just gave me a blank card with the lot number and told me to write it in on my other one.
cruise ship staff arent gonna know the difference
> She was checked in at the front of the store, given a fully filled out card and told to go to the back of the store to get the vaccine.
Mine wasnt given to me UNTIL I had the shot. I checked in, sat down and waited at Rite Aid. They called me in, gave me the shot and then handed me the paperwork, my ID with my vaccination card inside.
We had a fucking YEAR to come up with a system, and a country full of some of the best tech and brightest minds. Holy shit
We need a more formalized "passport" proof of vaccine, But all the people who want to lie about being vaccinated and abuse the current system would lose their minds of they couldn't cheat anymore.
^(Which is why we need it)
Yeah when I got vaccinated the 2nd time, they wrote my date/signature/store ID proof on a separate card. I went back in and was gonna ask to put both on the same card in case I’d need to carry the proof around with me everywhere. The guy was busy and just said “oh go ahead and fill out a new one yourself it’s fine”
So I look behind him and in the middle of the Walgreens was a stack of the proof of vaccination cards. He wasn’t watching me or anything I just walk over grab one, fill it out. Halfway through filling it out he just walked off and left the stack of cards unattended.
I was definitely surprised with how nonchalant they were about the whole thing. I had quarantined for a year because I live with someone with a chronic illness, it’s just crazy how little impact it seems to have had on some and how proof of vaccination is taken less seriously than even a fishing license.
I work in a vaccination clinic. We don't take these cards all that seriously precisely because they're so damn easy to fake. You could easily make your own that would be 100% identical to a real one. There's no point in expending the effort in controlling something like that. If they had even some basic security built into them, it would be a different story.
Welcome to Texas, where it is illegal for businesses to require proof of your COVID vaccination status. Ouch.
You can buy the fake ones on Amazon
holy shit you're not joking. And it comes with a protector.
Edit! No I will not link the item. It's fraudulent and fucks us up as a society so piss off.
but you might as well have. you just confirmed where they are able to be purchased.
And Covid denying Trumpians are a-hole enough to forge them. They don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.
> And Covid denying Trumpians are a-hole enough to forge them
let them....At this point, im fully vaccinated. If you want to lie about it, fine. Do not expect sympathy from me if you contract COVID.
It's not just the people that supported Trump.
Based on behavior like that, they don't care much about themselves either.
*iTs A hOaX*
People have been in denial on their damn death beds. Sad.
Actually, they're supposed to have identifiers that link into a central database. That would be hard to fake if that's the case
They definitely don't.
The issue isn't fakes.
It's just real cards having no security, the fakes are real and no one is checking against a database, I'm not even sure there's a database being created.
Yes, we need a national database. When you get the vaccine, it's entered into the database by the vaccine provider (your doctor, CVS, etc). And for people who complain about being in a database, what do you think your passport is in!!
First you need to create a national healthcare system to oversee things like that. America has no healthcare system in place, just a series of separate privately owned corporations.
You don't even need to fake them. Some random suburb in Ohio accidentally posted the CDC PDF to their website. You can literally go online and print out an official card and print it on cardstock
Um pretty sure that would be faking them
I went to a brewery the other day and they literally told me I could show them a picture of my vaccine card and not wear a mask. Um literally anyone can find that on Google
You *can* still contract it even if you've been vaccinated. You're just less likely to have severe COVID and be hospitalized or die.
They either had forged vax certificates or they were vaccinated, got Covid-19, and were free of symptoms. This makes me wonder how many of us vaccinated people are infected but don’t know it. Gee, all those people who think the virus is a hoax, who refused the vaccine, and refuse to wear masks so they can “live free or die”, might just be at bigger risk than anyone thought. There could eventually be a raging harmless epidemic among vaccinated people that could be very dangerous, even deadly, among the unvaccinated. Who would have thought?
They could also be immunocompromised ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ I’ve been vaccinated since mid-Feb and I caught covid about 2wks ago. My non-immunocompromised live-in partner, who is also vaccinated, is completely fine. Tested negative yesterday.
We just don’t know which immunocompromised are going to respond to the vaccine and which aren’t. This only started being studied about a month ago.
Much more likely they're fraudsters
That’s not how you spell “turds”.
I am also immunocomp, how did it turn out for you, was the covid still bad that you got after the vaccine or was it fairly mild? The best 'odds' they can tell me is that I should be 'maybe' 80% protected with the vaccine.
I cannot accurately answer that, as I work for a doctor who got me on a regimen of Ivermectin and Doxycycline once I was diagnosed with covid.
However, on that + the vaccine, it was still terrible. Like, the worst flu I’ve ever had. I slept SO MUCH - most of the day, and my oxygen slipped down to 92 (almost ER level, but not quite). It was a full week of sleep, fevers, body aches, a chest rattling cough, and headaches. Then a week of extreme fatigue which…really hasn’t gone away yet. I also lost 10lbs from not eating, BUT I also have Crohn’s Disease so who knows how strongly that was affected by covid.
I get both strains of the flu every year, and this was still so much worse than any flu I’ve ever had. I’m alive, though, and I didn’t go to the hospital.
There have been multiple people on immunocompromising drugs that got the shots but didn’t develop the antibodies. Could also be that.
If I recall correctly, this partly contributed to the decimation of Indigenous people in both North and South America. Europeans brought over diseases that Europeans were naturally immune to, but which the indigenous people had never been exposed to before.
Sadly it would have been easier and cheaper to get vaccinated than to get a fraudulent vaccine card. But muh freedumbs!!!!!
The vaccines does NOT make you immune to the virus. You can still get infected and get symptoms. The likelihood is reduced and sure, some people probably get immune. But being vaccinated does not make you automatically immune.
I really hate that people think vaccine means the end of this. It might but it might also take years.
Testing positive is something we know is possible even with the vaccine. The real key is whether those people have life threatening symptoms. So long as they do not then the vaccine is still effective enough to let vaccinated people live normal lives.
As the studies show, the absolute majority does not get life threatening symptoms when you are vaccinated. But you can still get sick and spread the disease. It's important to know because some people act like 2x vaccines = full immunity and you don't even have to worry about corona if you get a cold.
The thing is, though, if the vaccines prevent hospitalization consistently then people really can act like they don't have to worry about it. Hopefully people will be responsible enough to stay in if they actually get sick, but beyond that it's not really something to worry about anymore. If someone (in the US) who is unvaxed gets seriously sick then that is on them, as the vaccine is readily available to everyone now.
I also realize there are a number of immuno-compromised people or those who otherwise can't take the vaccine or it is not effective. I feel for those people, but hopefully with the overall case numbers coming down those folks can continue to take reasonable precautions (like masking up and avoiding peak hours in public places, and not going on cruises) and not have to worry *too* much about it.
Personally I have no problem with continued mask mandates and such for a bit longer, but we really do need to get the economy going again because there are legitimate negative consequences to restrictions and lockdowns as well.
>But you can still get sick and spread the disease
This is also unlikely. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's at all (or nearly) as likely as unvaccinated spread.
a number of people were always going to lie about their vaccination status, make it a felony
I recently trained a guy at my job. He questioned me about some ‘shortcuts’ I took that weren’t quite the official procedures. He said he was a ‘play by the rules’ kind of guy. Toward the end of his training, management allowed those who were vaxxed to work bare faced. He said instead of getting vaccinated, he was going to photoshop his wife’s card and present it as his own.
Perhaps the cruise ship company isn't all that great at monitoring passengers and crew for compliance, yadda yadda. Perhaps!
A friend of mine who used to be in that industry always calls cruise ships "norwalkers," for some reason. If you've ever had Norwalk, once is probably enough.
Noroviruses are horrible.
No washy washy.
Having gone on a Norwegian cruise (pre-pandemic), I had to laugh at this. Every time you walked into a dining area, staff would try to get you to use hand sanitizer by saying/singing "happy happy, washy washy, smiley smiley."
It's been years and I can still get my youngest son to cringe by starting to say the phrase.
(Just did it and he got upset at me. Yup. Still works.)
Same on royal Caribbean.
I hate the negative test thing. It is literally so pointless. I could test negative the day I get on the ship, but still have it and start showing symptoms a week later. Idk what a better alternative is, but a negative test means literally nothing as soon as you go somewhere. I guess you could require a negative test, 10 day quarantine, another negative test, then directly to the ship, but who tf wants to do all that just for a cruise??
No one seems to realize that being vaccinated doesn’t stop you from being infected or spreading it. No one ever claimed that it did. It’s not some magical force field that stops something from entering your body. All it does is have your immune system in ready mode to fight the virus once it does enter, making it less likely you will get severely ill. You can still be infected. You can still spread it.
This is why stopping mask mandates is really stupid at this point. You likely won’t get severely ill, but the virus will never go away as long as people are harboring and spreading it. Everyone criticized Trump for politicizing masks. Now the Biden administration is doing the same. “No masks needed. Biden saved the world. The economy can recover.” That’s the propaganda the current administration is pushing and everyone is swallowing it up.
You're incorrect. Vaccination does reduce infection rates, which reduces spread. It also reduces viral load once infected which reduces spread. The vaccines are VERY effective at both.
Just because becoming infected and spreading covid once vaccinated is plausible does NOT mean it is nearly as likely, nor does it mean R0 won't drop well below 1 *if there is widespread adoption of vaccination.*
You seem to be ignoring that the [preliminary evidence](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html), suggests the vaccines are quite effective at reducing viral load and thus slowing the spread, as do vaccines for many diseases. It doesn't *stop* you from spreading it, but only a Sith deals in absolutes.
It's amusing that the same "trust the science" people no longer seem to want to trust the science. The vaccines are really, really good. And the CDC is giving us permission to acknowledge that, but Reddit's armchair epidemiologists are all confident they know better.
So... This will be like, a really good test to see how the vaccines will interact with the virus, right?
Like an experiment on a controlled environment.
Why wait for tomorrow?
That why the US govt wouldn't let people off the original cruise ships. It was the perfect study environment. Suckers.
It would be, if we could be sure the people claiming to be vaccinated are actually vaccinated and not just lying.
And what a surprise, it's the right that wants to make sure nobody can really be sure who is actually vaccinated.
The right has been screeching about re-opening the economy since day 1 of covid, and has done *absolutely everything possible to make that more difficult* while continuing to whine about why the economy isn't re-opened yet.
Who could have seen that coming.
I can’t wait for the day a passenger asks the guard in the hallway if they are being kept in their cabins because of Coronavirus or Norovirus, and the crew member answers “Yes”. Fun times.
>***"About 500 passengers are on board, over 95% who are fully vaccinated...***"
Here's a dumb question... Why wasn't it 100%? Only card holding vaccinated people should've been allowed anywhere near that boat. What did they think would happen? *For real?*
I assumed the 5% was the unvaccinated children they referenced elsewhere.
Oh I missed that too ha thanks
I'm not sure about you but my card is paper with stickers on it.
you got stickers? lucky!
There's no way 95% of the adults were vaccinated. You can't find those rates anywhere. I'd be surprised if half of them were
Well, sure if you pluck a random assortment of people from a place.
But being vaccinated is a requirement to board this ship as an adult. Sure, a few selfish liars probably got through but the variation won't be anywhere near what it is in the general population.
The venn diagram of fools that would get on the first cruise after covid and people who lie about vaccines is almost a circle
Well, yeah that's certainly fair.
>fools that would get on the first cruise after covid
I mean if you're vaccinated what makes you a fool?
Vermont is getting pretty close at 80%. Considering rich white people are the highest proportion of vaccinated it makes sense a luxury cruise would be highly vaccinated. Not many people go cruising when their job was shutdown the last year, and POC make up the largest unvaccinated % populations
This isn't a random sampling of a population.
It's a group of people who chose to go to a place where they were being told to show proof of vaccination and Covid Testing. They have 95% because all the adults needed to show they were to get on board.
100% of the people in my bed are vaccinated.....
Since both of the passengers contracted Covid, I am wondering if they had "forged" vaccine proof. If it was only one, I would think it was breakthrough infection.
Having Covid on this cruise is not good for business. If they forged their vaccine proof, I hope that Celebrity sues them for everything they have.
You can be vaccinated and get covid without knowing it. Being on a cruise ship is a great way to get it fast.
Breakthrough infection is rare. Having 2 cases in one couple seems even more unlikely... while a couple does not distance with each other, the fact that they are biologically unrelated makes genetic predisposition to infection unlikely for both.
>Being on a cruise ship is a great way to get it fast.
Keep in mind, this ship is operating at 30% capacity, and everyone (crew and passengers) have supposedly been vaccinated.
Personally, I am super fearful of breakthrough infection, and I definitely realize that it is a real possibility for vaccinated..... But, the more I think about this case, the less I believe that it could be breakthrough infection.
>Personally, I am super fearful of breakthrough infection
Can I ask why? From what I understand, breakthrough infection has shown to be extremely mild, like a common cold, right?
Both my aunt and uncle were fully vaccinated (two weeks post second-dose) and still got it, but they are old and in honestly terrible health, so their immune systems are probably just not as effective even when primed with the vaccine. I'm pretty sure the demographics of "elderly" and "likely to go on a cruise" have significant overlap, so I'm betting that this couple are not the secret antivaxers everyone on this post seems to think they are.
Thankfully, my aunt and uncle had a mild course of it, so I'm pretty sure the vaccine saved their lives, because they're the prime demographic for severe disease and fatality.
Even if you're healthy, the vaccines are around 95% effective. Hospitals are seeing this effect (at least in the US) - about 5% of the COVID cases they're seeing are from people who were actually fully vaccinated.
This is, of course, why it's "highly" desired that enough people be vaccinated so that the general population will reach that oft-quoted herd immunity. That well likely never be reached (at least in the US) because of those lovely anti-vaxxers.
PS, as stated, the vaccines are around 95% effective. My lack of knowledge is showing - that *probably* means 95% in the "general population." It may well mean it's 99% effective for the "healthy" and 90% for the "less so," as you say.
> I am wondering if they had "forged" vaccine proof.
It's possible. The article didn't say what country they were from, either, and there were there pictures from Mexico where some people were inserting the needle but not actually injecting the vaccine, presumably to sell the shots on the black market. And all the fake "vaccinations" scammers were selling in India.
If airlines can press charges I don't see why cruise ships can't. None of this pity for them!
There's absolutely no evidence that these passengers faked vaccination status or test results. The virus is here to stay, and we have to accept that some low level of spread will occur even among the vaccinated.
What an asinine comment. What if it was a false positive...they should be charged? For what?
So you know this couple lied and faked their vaccines. The odds of two people together both getting Covid with the vaccine is astronomically low.
I was never tempted by a cruise holiday in the first place. When Covid first hit, and people were trapped on cruise ships, that was the final convincer for me. I don’t want to go on a cruise. If I won one in a competition, I’m giving it away.
No other option but to throw them overboard now. Shame.
"Vaccination is not being "bullet proof". You can still get Covid. But, hospitalization and death are minimized".
Edit: I posted this on the repost. Which will be reposted after another repost.
Definitely true, but the vaccines are really, really strong against symptomatic infection and almost perfect against severe infection. At least, those approved in the US and EU are.
It's not going to work. People coming and going and they're from all over the world. Covid will return and the cruise industry will be mothballed again. The ships are filthy, all of them. Stay away from these cess pits or you will die.
> or you will die
Always glad to see that the internet has retained its firm grasp on statistical reality
> Stay away from these cess pits **or you will die**.
This statement doesn't seem unreasonable or anything.
Yeah, really picked up steam there at the end.
I will say, that is one vacation I've never wanted to go on. Just a big, floating hotel on the ocean.
I never really understood it either, but I know people who love cruises. I guess it is a preference. It just seems very boring to me. Id want to do something besides eat, drink, gamble and watch shows. I could do that at home with the TV and internet gambling if I wanted to.
I had a blast working and living on one, but never had interest in going back for a vacation.
What was that like???
It was awesome. I was 21, fresh out of school and living and working on a party boat with people from 50 different countries.
Oh and 24/7 pizza bar.
I love this, but I need more details!!! And a 24/7 pizza bar???
My friend works was working on cruise ships right up to the pandemic.
-living conditions suck. You bunk with at least one other person. Bathroom is super small.
-you can work long hours (12-18hr) depending on your job
-you deal with personal drama between staff all the time
-internet is not free and is expensive.
-you sometimes get to leave the ship and go explore the city's
- food is available all the time.
-drinks in the crew bar are $1-$3. Selections vary per Cruise line but there's not a ton of variety.
-if you are from the US, you pay no state taxes since you don't work in one. Still pay federal.
-if you don't spend much of your paycheck, you can save quite a bit.
-He enjoyed meeting people from around the world. He now has friends in dozens of countries. He now has a reason to go and see a new place. Also, you have a high probability of hooking up with someone. Everyone is stuck on the boat, and you usually don't have much interaction with the guests.
Overall he liked it. Said he wishes he could do one more cruise. Never got to work the Mediterranean routes.
Enjoyed the one I went on in the Caribbean. It's like staying in a hotel, but every morning when you wake up the hotel is in a new country that you get to go out and explore.
And the reason it's floating in the ocean is to take advantage of reduced regulation, so, uh . . . no, no thanks.
Even if they only cost 10% of what they do, I can have more fun for the same money without taking a cruise.
The glory of a cruise is that you don't have to think or plan. You plan the cruise, pick and choose what you want to do on shore from a list, and there's no other decisions to make.
You chill on the ship, eat constantly, and don't have to think about anything other than family drama. It's the American dream.
Yep. It’s a lazy all you can eat and drink buffet on the water. It’s amazing haha
I'm not saying you're wrong, but holy shit that sounds awful. I'd rather be stuck at Epcot Center during a crowded July for the same duration.
It's doubtful that anyone would develop seasickness at Epcot Center. Maybe a brief second or two of hurling on the roller coaster, but then it would be all over.
Have enjoyed most rides at Disney. The only one that was hell on earth? That Spaceship to Mars or some such. The one w water fountains right outside exits. Hmmm thats odd, I rhought, most rides dont have them outside exit. Made the mistake of going on early in day. Good lord, did that ride make me sick. Found out fountains there so you can drink water before/after puking lol Crawled back to hotel. Worst ever.
Mission: Space? Took my mom, my aunt, and my nephew on the orange side exactly once. I loved it years ago, but I'm probably too old to handle that anymore! lol
Yes. (Shudder) God, the heaves from the ride. Never. Again.
Yeah just different strokes really. I know people that vacation to the same place every year and they still love it.
My family likes to go on cruises and while it's not my ideal way to visit a country, it's not THAT bad for just hitting the hot spots without having to constantly worry about where to eat, where to stay, where to go, how to get there, what if we have trouble etc and then organizing it with family and making everyone happy.......
Some people just travel to check off bucket list items and couldn't care less about the food and culture. I care more about the food and culture, but sometimes you gotta compromise to make grandma happy.
Eventually I *really* want to try one. Just being on the boat in the middle of nothingness on the ocean sounds amazing.
> The glory of a cruise is that you don't have to think or plan. You plan the cruise, pick and choose what you want to do on shore from a list, and there's no other decisions to make.
sounds like you have to think and plan.
The best means of seeing the Mediterranean and it's cities is by Cruise. We only slept on the boat and ate breakfast in the morning as we docked in a new city each day.
Alaska and Cuba (they still go to Cuba?) too.
You can leave a hotel and go somewhere else.
You can't do that when you're on a boat.
It’s pretty relaxing to watch the open sea, with no ships or land anywhere in sight. Waking up to that is amazing.
It’s like being forced to spend two weeks with all the people in my small town, in a hotel, with no escape.
Throw in a little seasickness and you've got the makings of a really fun time.
Seasickness and politics, go together like COVID and food poisoning
I don't think anyone cares if it comes back. Those vaccinated will be fine and natural selection will take care of those that don't.
Should care because variants. As an example, see India.
Cruise ships are also bed bug hotspots. With how quickly ships have to turn around, there's almost no time for proper pest management.
My town is abandoning all covid protocols starting today because the virus is under control and not impacting the community. In reality, the highway commissioner just died last week from this shit but the local government is refusing to talk about it. I only know because the poor man was my neighbor.
There was a WaPo article ([link](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/covid-rates-unvaccinated-people/?itid=hp_pandemic%20test)) showing that among the **unvaccinated** COVID rates are not appreciably better right now than late last year. And, as you say, it will almost certainly get significantly worse for them as restrictions are relaxed (assuming they "avail" themselves of the lack of restrictions). The author of the story believes the worst may yet be coming.
For children, immunocompromised, those who cannot take vaccine (such people do exist), and those who cannot get a vaccine right now I feel very sorry for them.
For those who *choose* not to get vaccinated, frankly I am running out of [email protected] to give.
If you have a boat full of vaccinated people, it's frankly far less concerning to have two asymptomatic COVID cases pop up than to have two garden-variety norovirus cases pop up, and that happens all the time on cruises. This is just not that big of a deal.
Rational statements like this are getting down voted into oblivion in here.
I use to dream of going on a cruise. Then I learned how dirty the water is. After that, covid happened. Nah thanks bro and I'm vaccinated. I don't think a cruise being free would stop me from seeing it as a floating petri-dish.
I’ve been on cruises and never touched water. You can just stay on the boat/land. They’re fun but they are a Petri dish of illness.
A cruise is on my bucket list too, but not some overcrowded, floating hotel. My cruise is going to be a solar eclipse cruise on a ship full of scientists who haul along a few passengers to help pay for the excursion.
Nice, the ships ventilation system will spread it nicely and evenly.
No it won't, the hvac systems have been set up that no air is recycled. Fresh filtered air always from outside and all extracted air pumped out. These systems are far above and beyond what you would find in a hotel.
This crap is so tediously predictable….
Oh no 2 people out of everyone on the cruise are asymptomatic. Whatever will we do
I think waiting out 3+ weeks post second-dose should be made mandatory prior to any Cruise trip
I believe you have to be out 2 weeks post second dose.... Is there a significant increase in effectiveness on mRNA vaccines 3+ weeks after second dose over 2 weeks?
Are we truly still talking about this over exaggerated virus
Cruiseship tourism still alive? Why
Cruises are REALLY cheap right now. They’re doing anything to stay afloat (lol). I’ve seen packages for less than 50% of what they used to be, including a ton of additional add one and amenities.
Because people like them
Cruiselines have enough money to be able to run well into this year, and some even until next year, without passengers. They are trying desperately to ride this out. There will always be people wanting to "get away" and cruises are very low-hanging fruit for many to accomplish that.
[The Insane Logistics of Shutting Down the Cruise Industry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4dOCfWlgBw)
I saw plenty of folks double masking during a few months ago but did anyone ever see anyone triple masking?
How insufferable the population on that ship must be.
Oh wait I’ve seen this one
😂😂😂 we never effing learn.
Thank goodness everything is back to normal!
Because pandemic is not yet over. People have illusions that we are back to normal.
I'll never understand the appeal of a cruise.
Maybe the ocean spreads covid
It has got to be the dolphins!
Their echolocation activates the magnets in the vaccine!
Taking away mask mandates and bringing back cruises and opening up things like this so sudden? Whoever would have guessed?!