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bastard_child_botbot

I’m upset that Monmouth wasn’t included. I understand based on the “tourism” reason but to Monmouth. South jersey doesn’t start until ocean county.


electric_kite

Monmouth should 100% be included. I’m in northern ocean county and I feel like that is still central Jersey. The south doesn’t really start until you get down past Toms River. Once you hit the pine barrens that’s when you know you’re headed south.


njdeatheater

That's how I view it. Grew up in Jackson, which I consider central.. live in TR now, which I consider the border of central/South. Go from TR just next door to Beachwood, Forked River, Lacey areas ... And them people's are just different, man.


MillennialsAre40

Yeah right where 9 splits back off the parkway had always been my southern border growing up in Howell. I wouldn't even put Hunterdon/Somerset in Central personally. Anything north of the Driscoll is definitely North Jersey and Hunterdon has mountains.


electric_kite

100%!! Those areas totally have a different feel. Not bad just… *piney*.


Dissidence802

I'd say 37 is a good line for the Central/South border . My brain always tells me to go with 571 though.


NopeNJ

South Jersey here. We absolutely cannot accept Monmouth County into our territory. You can’t literally see NYC from many places in Monmouth county for god sake.


2cupscornstarch

South of the Mason-Jackson line you mean…


vafunghoul127

Mercer, Monmouth, and Hunterdon are the only true central Jersey locations. They're counties where you can commute to New York or Philly.


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People do from middlesex. Exactly 1 hour drive to each city in most towns


vafunghoul127

TBF Monroe is really close to Mercer. But you're telling me Sayreville is close to Philly? IDK maybe I did Monmouth dirty. But maybe up to South Brunswick is central, anything north of that is north. Basically exit 9-8a is your endpoint. If you are on exit 10 you're in North Jersey.


jarrettbrown

Sayreville is 55 minutes from nyc in no traffic. I’m 2 hours away from my cousin who lives in philly. Not that close.


vafunghoul127

That's what I'm saying.


Bobjohndud

Except because of poor planning it's easier to commute to NYC from a decent portion of mercer county. Direct trains to Penn station from the entire NEC line vs having to transfer in Trenton or drive there.


vafunghoul127

Oof I am an ignorant Mercer nut. Forgot the Monmouth line sucks.


Kosher_Fetus

Middlesex is far more Central than Mercer.


Acceptable_Reading21

That spot where Middlesex, Mercer and Monmouth meet is basically as central as Jersey gets


Mr_Matt_K

Disbrow Hill Road for the win!


Acceptable_Reading21

I grew up in Robbinsville and always considered that area to be almost on the dot central


vafunghoul127

There is literally a Wawa across the street to a Quik Check on Route 33 in Monroe/Millstone and I think that is the border between North and South if you still want to go that route.


picasso_penis

It’s literally called **Middle**sex!


PolentaApology

Even though NJ has counties named for English counties that themselves were named for the lands of the East Saxons, South Saxons, and Middle Saxons… ^(see https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3zb60k/why_is_there_no_norsex_in_england/ ; I guess nobody naming NJ places back then cared about Wessex/West Saxons) …The NJ -*sex* counties aren’t named according to their locations. Just look at the NJ county named for the **South** Saxon region in England—it’s all the way in NJ’s **North**! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Anglo-Saxon_Heptarchy.jpg/1140px-Anglo-Saxon_Heptarchy.jpg


cloudAhead

I’m not denying Monmouth’s slight here, but I’ll be damned before I call Mercer county South Jersey.


schuettais

Spend much time in Mercer?


Kosher_Fetus

Yes, a ton. Lived in Middlesex, went to school in Mercer.


schuettais

How is Middlesex "more central" than Mercer in your estimation?


Kosher_Fetus

Many reasons. How about Mercer is all Phillies/Eagles/Flyers/Sixers fans and Middlesex is the NJ/NY teams?


MillennialsAre40

Central Jersey is where the team loyalties blend. Where there's Eagles flags across the street from Giants flags (no one likes the Jets)


Kosher_Fetus

I think we can all agree nobody like the Jets


sonvoltman

I'd say 50/50 on the fan aspect ..I see many NY fans in burlington county now myself included


schuettais

Ahh I don't really pay attention to sports. I didn't even think to include that as a metric to distinguish region! Lol so yeah, that makes sense.


vafunghoul127

Dude there are a ton of NY fans in Mercer. Literally half and half with Philly. That's a mark of central Jersey.


P3nnyCandy

I think it’s the hoagie vs sub demarcation line.


acoreilly87

Gotta add Somerset County, I’m thinking


TheSandNinja

I think I would consider parts of Somerset county central Jersey.


v3ra1ynn

Doesn’t really make sense that you didn’t include Somerset.


vafunghoul127

Somerset looks an awful lot closer to NY than it does to Philly.


iheartnjdevils

Somerset and Middlesex are easy commutes to NYC too. Less than an hour.


Ladyhoneyblu

Union County should have been added to central jersey. it would have made a semi-square, a solid line. It was left out like a stump!! WHY!!!!! Can't we have organized shapes!!!!!


Darko33

Yeah I mean the northernmost part of Union is further south than the northernmost parts of both Hunterdon and Somerset, this map makes no sense


afeagle1021

I would argue Middlesex ahead of Hunterdon if we had to pick 3 ?


bros402

if it's three, then it'd be middlesex, mercer, monmouth


vafunghoul127

Middlesex borders Staten Island which firmly puts it in the north.


afeagle1021

Gross, good point, but I respectfully disagree.


ajfili

Please include the north half of Ocean. Once you get down to like Lacey things start getting super weird. We don’t want to be associated with them…


TheSandNinja

I always considered Monmouth county towns, beach towns, making it part of The Shore.


BrokenHero287

Monmouth isn't in central Jersey, because nothing is in central Jersey, because central Jersey doesn't exist. The Venn diagram of counties in Central Jersey is an empty circle.


Vdszbz13

agreed!


no483828

My absolutely indisputable, irrefutable, undeniable definition of Central Jersey: the portion of New Jersey that New Yorkers would call South Jersey and Philadelphia's would called North Jersey. This area has to include Monmouth county, Mercer, and Middlesex


UWillAlwaysBALoser

This accords with my theory that the "Central Jersey" phenomenon is the result of superposition. All areas in NJ exist in a superposition of North and South Jersey, and are only perceived as one or the other when an individual interacts with a geotron particle and the wavefunction collapses. The probability of wavefunction collapse to N or S largely depends on the proximity of the geotron to the Philly and NYC poles. Towards the middle of the state, the probabilities are roughly even, so locals are constantly experiencing contradictory information and resolve this by naming this dissonance "Central", despite the fact that they are actually existing in both North and South Jersey simultaneously.


no483828

I mean obviously.


sutisuc

They didn’t include Monmouth based on the logic that it already is included in the shore region and sees significant tourism whereas the rest of the region of central jersey does not.


firstbreathOOC

Shore makes sense… south jersey doesn’t


GoddessOfRoadAndSky

If you can see Manhattan from it, it ain’t south Jersey.


VelocityGrrl39

This is the proper litmus test.


sutisuc

Yeah you have to have rocks for brains to think Monmouth is south jersey but unfortunately many people do think that.


iheartnjdevils

I mean, many people think anything south of the Driscoll bridge is “South Jersey” but I always thought that wasn’t right either.


VelocityGrrl39

Monmouth is literally in the middle of the state. It doesn’t get any more central. And from someone that has lived in all 3 regions, it has much more in common with central than south.


sutisuc

Yup those are the people I’m thinking of lol but I’ve seen people claim Newark is central jersey lol so there’s really no bottom to these rotten takes


8ate8

If you’re in the camp that there is no central Jersey, the north/south line is 195. If you agree there is a central, the central/south line is still 195.


peter-doubt

Not so fast. The N/S divide is determined by the original area codes 201/609, respectively. It was a simpler time, once.


SHIT-PISSER

Bunch of folks down in Cherry Hill suffer under the delusion that Tom's River is North Jersey so I guess it all depends on which way you have the map turnt.


sutisuc

Toms River is north jersey if you don’t believe in central NJ but I do believe in central so it’s central jersey. Too many northern transplants to be south jersey


flyingcircusdog

So is the shore a 4th area, or is all of it considered south? Since I consider Monmouth Beach way different than LBI.


sutisuc

Yeah shore is its own area but I agree I would break it down into northern shore and southern shore. I’d also split up north jersey between north jersey (everything east of 287) and northwest NJ (everything west of 287) since they’re so different as well


Hawkbit

I mean you can literally take a half hour ferry ride from wall street to sandy hook. To call that central jersey is a stretch


Farm2Table

newsflash: New York City is east of north jersey. not north.


sutisuc

Do you not believe in central jersey?


Hawkbit

Haha I do, just saying this lends credibility to the argument that 'the shore' is kind of it's own thing separate from North, central, South Jersey


sutisuc

I don’t think it being a 30 minute ferry ride to Manhattan indicates it being part of the shore though. Cape may doesnt have a ferry and it’s still the shore. I think the defining feature of if a place is at the shore, and this may be controversial, is that it’s near the ocean lol


PennyLiner

Holy crap, the Cape May-Lewes DE ferry shut down? No way! Damn, that's brutal. A lot of people used that ferry for a long time. I'm shocked to learn that the Cape May Ferry is closed. Thanks for the sad news.


Hawkbit

Lol I don't disagree, more making the point that it's not central jersey because of the proximity to Manhattan


Scmb1968

Cape may doesnt have a ferry? Explain the cape may-lewis ferry?


Beardo856

Since when doesn't Cape May have a ferry? I'm also pretty sure they weren't saying the ferry is the indicator


sutisuc

Ferry to *manhattan*


electric_kite

I think NJ doesn’t need to define itself against NYC constantly though. I know a lot of people live here and work in the city, but there is SO MUCH in this state that has absolutely nothing to do with the city and is wonderfully and uniquely NJ. I don’t give a flying fuck how far from NYC I am, and we shouldn’t define our own geography in relation to travel time to the city.


afeagle1021

45 minutes on a good day


ct0

I'd rather split it like a hot dog and be an east jersey and west jersey. Hunterdon and Somerset are like 2 different states. Edit: Hunterdon and Middlesex are like 2 different countries.


GoddessOfRoadAndSky

Split into east/west is [how the state used to be divided.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Jersey) You know that diagonal line between Burlington and Ocean? That was the historical division line.


ct0

Very cool! I had not known this before.


rockmasterflex

Interesting. It seems even they could not agree on who middle jersey was, although it could exist as the buffer between the Keith and mahacormak lines. Imagine living in vertical middle jersey and having those awesome east jersey-ans as your neighbor, but a bunch of “eat spaghetti with their hands, dry” savages as your other neighbors in west jersey… so sad.


Hopdevil2000

Look up Province line road


Affectionatekickcbt

East /west it is!!! Although Somerset is central even in the east/west map.


snake--doctor

Some parts are similar. The Flemington suburban sprawl is not that different than the Hillsborough suburban sprawl.


37Elite

As a former resident of HC I agree, it does not belong the in the CJ discussion


TheWomandolorian

We could always sell it to PA


b4ngl4d3sh

Fully agree.


emveetu

Concur. Grew up in Hunterdon and currently live in Somerset.


DaRealBagzinator

That sounds delicious


oldnjgal

Obviously, the drafter of this map has a problem with the concept of basic elementary fractions.


rockmasterflex

Imagine being so bad at life that you can’t be assed to include The county that includes the enormous township called “MIDDLEtown” in your map of central jersey


schuettais

It's not Middle Jersey. It's Central jersey. Get your county to have a town called CENTRALtown and MAYBE they'll consider you. /s :P :gentlefriendlyribbingfromatotalstranger:


rockmasterflex

YOU JEST AND YET Centerville, NJ LEAVING CENTERVILLE OUT OF CENTER JERSEY WHAT A SCRUB MOVE


schuettais

LMAO omg that's great! Yeah total scrub move! haha


RatwitchArt

as a middletown native i wouldn't include middletown on maps either


rockmasterflex

A map of Monmouth county would look pretty weird without it... unless... can we replace it with something else? like a cartoon sandwich made with egg, cheese, taylor ham, AND pork roll


bros402

let's place it with, uhhh... keansburg wait shit no how about hazlet shit, not that either how about freehold wait which one fuck it let's just put red bank on it


fatandlean

Why not include Monmouth?


SidewaysHotPotato

I heard (from the radio, WCBS) that it’s because it’s mostly for tourism purposes. Monmouth has the Jersey Shore to draw tourists into the county, but places like Middlesex are relatively unknown.


Darko33

Monmouth's shape is very odd. It features the northernmost 25 miles of the Jersey Shore, but its westernmost edge is less than 5 miles from the Delaware River.


umdterp732

Hence the "central" part.


Darko33

Totally. Union and Monmouth are both Central


firstbreathOOC

Lived here my whole life. Nobody says we’re from South Jersey.


jailguard81

Monmouth always claimed central since the beginning. We’re not really south but not really north lol. we’ve always been in between


metalkhaos

Always have, always will.


njstein

It'll be a cold day in hell before I call this place "south jersey." Go to monmouth county, then go to ocean county, and then tell me with a straight face these are culturally related places. We don't root for the fucking eagles. We're not south jersey.


JudyLyonz

If we aren't Central Jersey who the hell are we? We're too far north to be South NJ and Middlesex County, which is north of us is Central NJ to what does that make Monmouth? And what about Northern Ocean County. That bill is wrong. Centtral NJ is a feeling, a state of mind. There are no firm boundaries


mikebe1

Da fuck is this Monmouth is central


Brilliant_Tourist400

I demand a redraw of that map. Monmouth County is as Central Jersey as they come. No county that has the Mets and Yankees on their cable system instead of the Phillies should be considered South Jersey.


_SoundWaveSurfer

Why does Central Jersey have to follow county lines specifically? You could make the argument that all Mercer, South Middlesex/Somerset and Northeast Monmouth are actually central.


The_Enge

I agree, as a resident of North Somerset county, I have never thought of myself as a central Jerseyan. I also don’t think there is a central jersey, but I can continue that argument later.


Acceptable_Reading21

I just realized Middlesex looks like a mini NJ with a squished top.


Ok_Raisin_8796

how the hell is Monmouth county not in central jersey???? It’s clearly in the middle


newwriter365

LOL. Welcome to South Jersey, you red-neck!


DaRealBagzinator

Hee-Haw baby!!


BananaAnarchy_

Nah nah wtf give me Monmouth


CitizenTed

I think Middlesex and Mercer should join forces to return Monmouth back into the Central Jersey fold. It should start with a military staging post at Raceway Park. From there, we can launch sorties across the border, freeing Englishtown and Marlboro from the South Jersey heathens. If they refuse to come to the negotiating table, then we'll break them with artillery on Freehold and Matawan. The captured Shop Rites can feed the army as they fan out toward the shore and inland to Allentown. It won't be easy, nothing worthwhile ever is.


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I guess they count anything with a beach as south jersey. Though say what you will about north/central/south jersey… there is also “the shore” which I feel like is separate from those three and it’s own part of the state.


_SoundWaveSurfer

Hell even Craigslist has Jersey Shore as a region


GoddessOfRoadAndSky

> I guess they count anything with a beach as south jersey. This sounds like such a NY-centric way of dividing the state. To a New Yorker, the entire shore may feel “south.” That’s the only paradigm where I can see this having logic. But why should we define ourselves by what they think? This map says I’m south Jersey. Idgaf what New Yorkers think, *I* get to decide what to call where I live. My flair is staying what it is.


[deleted]

Be proud Central Jersian. I’m 3 miles west of Manhattan, so I’m north jersey as fuck


rockmasterflex

You think a New Yorker can understand the subtleties?! They’re too busy believing they have better pizza.


backdraft29

Monmouth county IS central Jersey! Don’t rope us with with those backward southern folk!


jailguard81

Monmouth is literally in the middle of the state 🤣


Anyadlia

So true, wtf?


Extra_Advance_477

NO, NO, NO. I like it the way it was.


JustSomeGuy_56

I am so glad all the other problems have been solved and our Legislature can finally address this pressing issue. /s


hyperstationjr

How would there be parts of “central Jersey” that are farther north than “northern Jersey”?


Wide-Entertainer952

Will they have Taylor ham and hookers or pork roll and prostitutes?


Diogenes_Tha_Dog

But like... Monmouth County basically IS Central Jersey.


Spectre_Loudy

Swap Monmouth and Hunterdon. Makes way more sense that way.


cladtidings

Monmouth is definitely central Jersey. Most of it is north of the southern end of Mercer.


yfgdr

central jersey borders should be north of the pines and south of the watchung mtns or btw 195 and 78 if you need harder lines


ferocious_coug

This is the official map: https://i.imgur.com/OmaOjFf.jpg


Hagar_the_pretty_bad

I always look at it as south of 78 north of 195, that is Central Jersey.


12kdaysinthefire

How the hell is Monmouth not part of this new central NJ


bros402

what the fuck that is not central jersey at all mercer, monmouth, middlesex, and chunks of somerset, hunterdon, and the northern bits of ocean are central jersey


Big_P4U

Though I live in Mercer now, having grown up in Monmouth; everybody and their mother's mother's father knows Monmouth has always been considered to be part of Central Jersey. This map is a joke. Forget about it, insanity.


sourcacti

Monmouth is Central Jersey


nickenzi

As a foreigner (New England) I was under the assumption that there is only northern and southern New Jersey and that the division is strictly on Taylor ham/pork roll lines.


PurpleSailor

Grew up in Monmouth and it's central. Ocean and similar are South to me.


annoying-codger

Who are the idiots dictating CNJ borders?


john_doe_jersey

You know how I know "central" NJ doesn't exist? They felt the need to pass a bill insisting that they do.


tim12602

Guess Ill just say Im from the Shore now.


Novs_12

Lol somehow it’s still wrong


malcontent254

Everyone knows Central Jersey is only Mercer,Middlesex.and Mommuth


tacosnotopos

Yah know what!? Forget the blackjack.


wessty1984

Bunch of Taylor Roll Pork Ham loving savages.


ADHthaGreat

Middlesex best county Numbah 1 numbah 1


Wishilikedhugs

Very weird to not include Monmouth county. When someone says "central Jersey," it's the first thing that comes to mind.


outofdate70shouse

Anything north of the Driscoll Bridge is North Jersey


DizzyWithEternity

OPs reference in the post is the best part of this post tbh


DaRealBagzinator

You the real hero. ![gif](giphy|3rXna9rZacY8RUvgTO|downsized)


mikeacycle

As a proud Toms River resident I refuse to associate myself with south Jersey. We need an amendment


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DuncanIdaBro

Ahhh, screw the whole thing.


lxkandel06

Tell me with a straight face that live at the top of Hunterdon County and you call that "Central Jersey"


BoomTownRat71

Central Jersey is Hunterdon, Somerset and Mercer Counties, only. Monmouth is in Eastern NJ.


SwedishDoctorFood

All kinds of bills and laws that get signed are total bullshit and wildly disrespected— this one is no different Edit: to clarify, I’m not saying Monmouth being regarded as south jersey is bullshit, but rather the existence of central jersey is what’s bogus here


peter-doubt

> The goal of the new legislation is to codify the area in order to promote it as a tourist destination. As a long time resident of North Jersey who grew up in South Jersey, I'd never set foot in Central Jersey


Sonsof_Manarchy

Trenton is not central jersey lol.


zstandig

I feel betrayed


UncleRico95

Lies


Redplushie

What in the holy name of Danny Devito Monmouth County is the quintessential central jersey


Ladyhoneyblu

Why's is Union County not part of central NJ?!?!?! What in the living hell?


tiedsoda

that’s what I’m saying!


yobroshot

I agree. Doesn't make sense.


Ok_Entertainer7945

Union County too?


Kinoblau

The lower tip of Union definitely is, but not the rest. Anything below 78 really.


sbal0909

It feels too densely populated with Elizabeth and proximity to Newark


qwerteh

I grew up in Middlesex and just moved away from union county and there was 0 point in time I considered union central NJ. It is way too dense and the traffic is abysmal. Central NJ is needing to drive 10 minutes to ShopRite because it's 4 miles away, not because it's 1 mile away and every road is filled to the brim with cars


user07090

Once you cross Driscoll, you’re in South Jersey 🤷🏼‍♀️


Trainlover1279

No such thing as central jersey. Its just a myth. Its north and south lol


mikeputerbaugh

Central Jersey is where the area code changed from 201 to 908 thirty years ago. Northern Jersey is the part that stayed 201. Southern Jersey is the part that stayed 609. Other area codes are fake


Affectionatekickcbt

Growing up in Somerset county… once you go over the Driscoll bridge and there are shore areas, it’s not central anymore. But looking at a map, I would include northern Monmouth county.


NJ35-71SONS

all that freehold tourism probably swayed them..


0xdeadbeef6

There's no Central Jersey... but if there was one, Monmouth county would definitely be part of it, hands down. That said, anything above 195 is North Jersey, and anything below is South. A more colloquial way would be to ask what "Go into the City" means


DaRealBagzinator

Manhattenite or Philadelphian?? Declare where you stand!!


0xdeadbeef6

I'd see Philly from my apartment on a clear day if there weren't a bunch of trees in the way (and indeed I can from the highway that's like a quarter mile away from my apartment)


urbjam

Let’s be honest here. North Jersey ends at the Driscoll Bridge. Then begins South Jersey and the Shore. Everything else is the Pines and Eagles fans. Central Jersey is a myth.


smoggyvirologist

BRB using this to torture my dumbass boyfriend who insists union County is central jersey


user07090

We’re not? 😳


originalginger3

Why not skip all this legislative nonsense and just have North and South Jersey? Just split it right at 195 and call it a day. Central Jersey doesn’t even have its own culture, it’s a mix of both.


RusskiEnigma

what the fuck is a central jersey? this map just shows north jersey


Wild-Supermarket-443

Monmouth is the shore. Shore = south jersey


notableboyscouts

Did the Hudson River just dry up? Also Central Jersey is a myth.


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jailguard81

Ha, u wish…


malcontent254

Yo south jersey keep your clam diggers


toughguy375

All of Mercer All of Monmouth Middlesex south of the Raritan Somerset south of the south branch of the Raritan Hunterdon south of and including Flemington


ma-goo_

Y’all really had to get a bill signed for this…no matter.. still no such thing as central Jersey


SkyeMreddit

Since the Manasquan River is one of the dividers between North and South Jersey, it would only make sense to include Monmouth in Central Jersey!


schuettais

Um.. Mercer, Middlesex, and Monmoth is Central Jersey. What's with this Hunterdown/somerset bullshit? Hell even parts of Middlesex are a little to north for my liking.


acoreilly87

People in Branchburg and Hillsborough have made fun of my North Jersey accent (cawfee), so they are definitely in Central Jersey. And they don’t respond to orders for Taylor Ham there. It’s just science.


National-Dish-9352

Central Jersey Sucks its all about the North or South


BrokenHero287

That map is of the lower part of North Jersey. Lower North Jersey exists as more of a region than central Jersey, which in no way, shape, or form exists.