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thechemistrychef

Lebron's 2017 playoff run is seriously underrated tbh 33/9/8/2/1 averages Shot 41% from 3 Completely annihilated the Raptors averaging 36ppg on 57/48/83 (73% TS) splits in a sweep (Used to be 1pt less than the record for most points in a 4-game sweep, now it's 3rd most) Only lost 1 game en route to the finals, which was his only bad game in that run Averaged a 33 point triple double against the greatest team of all time Granted, the finals loss and 2018 Carry job really overshadow this playoff run but 2017 LeBron was low-key one of the best versions of him all around


Few_Mulberry7175

One of the best playmaking and scoring postseasons in history 2017 Lebron as a whole is really underrated and Lebron in general needs more respect as a scorer. He's had seasons like 2009, 2014, this, 2018, 2020 etc and should honestly be mentioned in the same breath as KD and Kobe as a scorer. He always upps his scoring when it counts most


Porzingers

LeBron is a better scorer than Kobe pretty clearly, I think anyone with a grasp of their numbers, volume+efficiency, can notice that. Against KD it’s less obvious, but I think there’s a case to be made.


Few_Mulberry7175

The case against KD comes from his OKC days. He put up numbers but his efficiency wasn’t particularly great. LeBron always upped his numbers in the playoffs


side-dude

60.5 ts isn't bad at all tho


Few_Mulberry7175

He didn't average 60.5 TS he averaged 57.5 TS


side-dude

oh you meant playoffs my bad


KaiserKaiba

He for sure was nutty as hell this run. As you said, 2018’s playoff run given the carryjob really overshadows this one. Def deserves more attention cuz he was crazy good that year


Goomby-or-Glootie

What impresses me most about Giannis run is that after he went down 0-2 to the Nets dude just decided to go crazy averaging 33 PPG on 60% FG.


FingerStreet

Man almost twists his ankle completely, comes back, wins a championship and gets FMVP 💀


Shxcking

I knew about the knee thing but wtf happened to his ankle?


Kam_E_luck

The knee bended very hard, almost career ending injury without proper treatment. Well, Giannis has to sit out of practice for now and properly need a few months of rehabilitation


smoothsoul23

Giannis had one of the most dominant Finals performances ever


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Chris Paul, Jimmy Butler, Kyrie is three. Kevin Durant isn’t included in that, suggesting that it probably isn’t the best metric to use. Also Trae and Booker are All-NBA caliber even if they didn’t make it


FKJVMMP

Yeah I’m sure if Devin Booker and Trae Young made All-NBA teams they’d have put the clamps on him, really slowed him down.


NobodyInParticular-

This logic reminds me of the "Russell had so many hall of famers!" logic, it leaves out a lot of context.


yelsamarani

I don't think logic was a part of his argument.


gatesbe

Smooth brain take


SlimReaper35_

After he injured Kyrie yeah.


JohnWick94

Kawhi's 2021 was on pace to be one of the best. 30 on 68%TS is insane.


Awkward-Speech7375

Kawhi is a great playoff player 3/4 of his last few healthy playoffs were that good


BlankVoid2979

tbf it was ony like 6 games


JohnWick94

11 games


Human_Variation_4358

It's impressive how many great runs Steph has put up especially given how much people discredit his playoff (specifically finals) performances.


NitroXYZ

I still believe Igoudala deserved his fmvp and it's a lot revisionism that has seen people discredit it because they feel like Curry needs one. Also whether Curry was a FMVP or not it doesn't take away from the fact that he was the league MVP when he won his first ring and the whole point of FMVP is to show that a player was a significant contributor to a ring. Curry was a top 3 player in the league for his 5 finals appearances and 3 rings so whether he has a FMVP or not isn't a big detractor for me.


Reddits_For_NBA

o3o3oekeeiee


klankthompson

Curious, what is your argument for Iguadola winning that FMVP? To me it seemed ludicrous at the time and seems even even more asinine now. He averaged less point, less assists, less rebounds! Than steph. All while Lebron was going off. I don’t want to discredit Iggy’s value because of course he was a a huge part of all of it but to say he was more valuable than steph in that or any series for that matter is absolutely ridiculous. The only reason the narrative shifted towards iggy was that they were down 2-1 and put him in the starting lineup. But realistically taking steph off of that team and the warriors have absolutely no shot.


Awkward-Speech7375

Yeah Igoudala was at most the 3rd best player in that series


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klankthompson

ItS noT thAt ImpreSsiVe


Peace__humble

Was the eighth seed just last year taking the worst team in the league to that record. Team was like 2-11 without him, year before worst team in the league but last year ended the regular season in the eighth spot. Nice try though


GoldenSlabDabberz420

Steph was hurt for most of the 19-20 season


Few_Mulberry7175

If I may add some more great runs (Atleast made 2nd round) (Bolded means playoff per game leader) ​ 2011 KD: **29**/8/3 on 58% TS (Lost in WCF to Mavs) 2012 Kobe: 30/5/4 on 53% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Thunder) 2013 KD: **31**/9/6 on 57% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Grizzlies) 2014 CP3: 20/4/**10** with **3 steals** on 58% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Thunder) 2015 Lebron: 30/11/9 on 49% TS lol (Lost in finals to GS) 2015 Harden: 27/6/7 on 62% TS (Lost in WCF to GS) 2016 KD: **28**/7/3 on 54% TS (Lost in WCF to GS) 2017 Harden: 29/6/8 on 59% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Spurs) 2018 AD: 30/13 with 2 blocks and steals on 58% TS (Lost in 2nd round to GS) 2019 Harden: 32/7/7 on 57% TS (Lost in 2nd round to GS) 2019 Jokic: 25/**13**/8 on 60% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Blazers) 2020 Harden: 30/6/8 on 64% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Lakers) 2020 Jokic: 24/10/6 on 61% TS (Lost in WCF to Lakers) 2020 Murray: 27/5/7 on 62% TS (Lost in WCF to Lakers) 2021 Jokic: 30/12/5 on 59% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Suns) 2021 KD: 34/9/4 on 63% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Bucks) 2021 Trae: 29/3/10 on 56% TS (Lost in ECF to Bucks) 2021 Book: 27/6/5 on 56% TS (Lost in finals to Bucks) 2021 Kawhi: 30//4 on 68% TS (Injured in 2nd round against Jazz) 2021 PG: 27/10/5 on 58% TS (Lost in WCF to Suns) 2021 Mitchell: 32/4/6 on 60% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Clippers)


Awkward-Speech7375

Nice additions


Few_Mulberry7175

2021 KD and 2015 Bron should be on ur list imo . The others are just nice runs


Awkward-Speech7375

Yeah the reason I didn't put the LeBron one on is because the TS% is extremely ugly And I didn't put the KD one on because I didn't want people to call me biased lol


Few_Mulberry7175

I don't think anyone would call you biased for putting a guy who scored the most ever points in a game 7 and was an inch away from beating the defending champs without his 2 co stars healthy


NetGlass4387

no 2021 kawhi?


Few_Mulberry7175

Forgot him and PG


FingerStreet

Kyrie in 2016 also did some heavy lifting with Bron for that Cavs team


lebronto_baby

If you factor in Difficulty of opponent and how stacked the teams were Bron 16 Dirk 11 Kawhi 19


GoldBlueSkyLight

Bron faced no team of note before the finals, both Kawhi '19 and Dirk '11 were tougher looking at the whole playoff run.


KaiserKaiba

Why is Bron 16 here when he faced better competition in 2012, 2013, and 2020? 2016 run is hard carried by the 73-9 GSW victory


ddvmav96

Ehhh, the east was pretty weak in 2016. The Raptors we're never true contenders with DeRozan, the Heat were old, and Atlanta was pretty mediocre. None of those were true favorites to win the chip.


MITWestbrook

Lol Kawhi would've lost to Klay. He had the easiest ring.


lebronto_baby

Sixers and Bucks though.


FKJVMMP

Don’t know if those are really noteworthy teams though. Tough challenge and genuine contenders obviously, but they weren’t mega stacked teams or anything. Those are just the kinds of teams you’ll get more often than not once you hit the second round/conference finals.


BEE_REAL_

> Don’t know if those are really noteworthy teams though Both of them are comfortably better than any team the next two title teams faced (given the condition the Nets were in)


FKJVMMP

I agree they’re certainly better than any team we faced (although the Nets are better than they’re given credit for, especially given Kyrie actually played half the series). Not sure they’re a whole lot better than the 2020 Nuggets but they also weren’t an easy matchup like those Nuggets were for the Lakers. Regardless, my point is those teams are good but by quality of opposition it’s not anything crazy. Kawhi (and the Raptors as a team) deserves credit for playing really well, strength of opponent isn’t much of a compounding factor.


Fluix

Klay played majority of the quarters and we beat him majority of those quarters. People act like he played 5 quarters and was out lmao.


smoothsoul23

Some people act like Klay didn't play a single minute in the finals it's ridiculous


DwayneThRocksJohnson

2019 raptors didn’t face any super strong opponents but you have to give them credit for beating the warriors, the bucks and the jimmy butler sixers. It’s not often that a team wins a ring going thru 3 legitimate contenders.


killajaxx

They're not gonna give these Raptors their flowers til after several years has passed. Just cause East is "weak" in their eyes, when in reality Bucks and 6ers both could have reached the finals as well.


Goomby-or-Glootie

Feel like that usually happens after most rings but more so now because of social media and people being upset there team lost. I respect that Raptors team much more now than I did during the run. Too much depth, too many vets, too many good role players and a legit superstar.


DwayneThRocksJohnson

Best defensive team ever imo


ttvdokkan

04 pistons


DwayneThRocksJohnson

They were also amazing obviously. Kawhi gasol lowry DG vanvleet defensive core is just insane tho


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Yea they’re prolly best defence of the decade although I might put ‘14 Spurs above them They’re not even close to the 04 pistons tho. We kept 5 opponents in a row under 70 points. We kept the Kobe-Shaq Lakers to only 68 points in the NBA Finals lol


DwayneThRocksJohnson

Comparing rosters on paper the raptors look better but I didn’t watch those pistons so I guess I don’t know shit


smoothsoul23

Warriors should've lost in 5 if not for Nick Nurse's timeout.