By - Awkward-Speech7375
Lebron's 2017 playoff run is seriously underrated tbh
Shot 41% from 3
Completely annihilated the Raptors averaging 36ppg on 57/48/83 (73% TS) splits in a sweep (Used to be 1pt less than the record for most points in a 4-game sweep, now it's 3rd most)
Only lost 1 game en route to the finals, which was his only bad game in that run
Averaged a 33 point triple double against the greatest team of all time
Granted, the finals loss and 2018 Carry job really overshadow this playoff run but 2017 LeBron was low-key one of the best versions of him all around
One of the best playmaking and scoring postseasons in history
2017 Lebron as a whole is really underrated and Lebron in general needs more respect as a scorer. He's had seasons like 2009, 2014, this, 2018, 2020 etc and should honestly be mentioned in the same breath as KD and Kobe as a scorer. He always upps his scoring when it counts most
LeBron is a better scorer than Kobe pretty clearly, I think anyone with a grasp of their numbers, volume+efficiency, can notice that. Against KD it’s less obvious, but I think there’s a case to be made.
The case against KD comes from his OKC days. He put up numbers but his efficiency wasn’t particularly great. LeBron always upped his numbers in the playoffs
60.5 ts isn't bad at all tho
He didn't average 60.5 TS he averaged 57.5 TS
oh you meant playoffs my bad
He for sure was nutty as hell this run. As you said, 2018’s playoff run given the carryjob really overshadows this one. Def deserves more attention cuz he was crazy good that year
What impresses me most about Giannis run is that after he went down 0-2 to the Nets dude just decided to go crazy averaging 33 PPG on 60% FG.
Man almost twists his ankle completely, comes back, wins a championship and gets FMVP 💀
I knew about the knee thing but wtf happened to his ankle?
The knee bended very hard, almost career ending injury without proper treatment.
Well, Giannis has to sit out of practice for now and properly need a few months of rehabilitation
Giannis had one of the most dominant Finals performances ever
Chris Paul, Jimmy Butler, Kyrie is three. Kevin Durant isn’t included in that, suggesting that it probably isn’t the best metric to use. Also Trae and Booker are All-NBA caliber even if they didn’t make it
Yeah I’m sure if Devin Booker and Trae Young made All-NBA teams they’d have put the clamps on him, really slowed him down.
This logic reminds me of the "Russell had so many hall of famers!" logic, it leaves out a lot of context.
I don't think logic was a part of his argument.
Smooth brain take
After he injured Kyrie yeah.
Kawhi's 2021 was on pace to be one of the best. 30 on 68%TS is insane.
Kawhi is a great playoff player
3/4 of his last few healthy playoffs were that good
tbf it was ony like 6 games
It's impressive how many great runs Steph has put up especially given how much people discredit his playoff (specifically finals) performances.
I still believe Igoudala deserved his fmvp and it's a lot revisionism that has seen people discredit it because they feel like Curry needs one.
Also whether Curry was a FMVP or not it doesn't take away from the fact that he was the league MVP when he won his first ring and the whole point of FMVP is to show that a player was a significant contributor to a ring.
Curry was a top 3 player in the league for his 5 finals appearances and 3 rings so whether he has a FMVP or not isn't a big detractor for me.
Curious, what is your argument for Iguadola winning that FMVP? To me it seemed ludicrous at the time and seems even even more asinine now.
He averaged less point, less assists, less rebounds! Than steph. All while Lebron was going off. I don’t want to discredit Iggy’s value because of course he was a a huge part of all of it but to say he was more valuable than steph in that or any series for that matter is absolutely ridiculous.
The only reason the narrative shifted towards iggy was that they were down 2-1 and put him in the starting lineup. But realistically taking steph off of that team and the warriors have absolutely no shot.
Yeah Igoudala was at most the 3rd best player in that series
ItS noT thAt ImpreSsiVe
Was the eighth seed just last year taking the worst team in the league to that record. Team was like 2-11 without him, year before worst team in the league but last year ended the regular season in the eighth spot.
Nice try though
Steph was hurt for most of the 19-20 season
If I may add some more great runs (Atleast made 2nd round) (Bolded means playoff per game leader)
2011 KD: **29**/8/3 on 58% TS (Lost in WCF to Mavs)
2012 Kobe: 30/5/4 on 53% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Thunder)
2013 KD: **31**/9/6 on 57% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Grizzlies)
2014 CP3: 20/4/**10** with **3 steals** on 58% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Thunder)
2015 Lebron: 30/11/9 on 49% TS lol (Lost in finals to GS)
2015 Harden: 27/6/7 on 62% TS (Lost in WCF to GS)
2016 KD: **28**/7/3 on 54% TS (Lost in WCF to GS)
2017 Harden: 29/6/8 on 59% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Spurs)
2018 AD: 30/13 with 2 blocks and steals on 58% TS (Lost in 2nd round to GS)
2019 Harden: 32/7/7 on 57% TS (Lost in 2nd round to GS)
2019 Jokic: 25/**13**/8 on 60% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Blazers)
2020 Harden: 30/6/8 on 64% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Lakers)
2020 Jokic: 24/10/6 on 61% TS (Lost in WCF to Lakers)
2020 Murray: 27/5/7 on 62% TS (Lost in WCF to Lakers)
2021 Jokic: 30/12/5 on 59% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Suns)
2021 KD: 34/9/4 on 63% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Bucks)
2021 Trae: 29/3/10 on 56% TS (Lost in ECF to Bucks)
2021 Book: 27/6/5 on 56% TS (Lost in finals to Bucks)
2021 Kawhi: 30//4 on 68% TS (Injured in 2nd round against Jazz)
2021 PG: 27/10/5 on 58% TS (Lost in WCF to Suns)
2021 Mitchell: 32/4/6 on 60% TS (Lost in 2nd round to Clippers)
2021 KD and 2015 Bron should be on ur list imo . The others are just nice runs
Yeah the reason I didn't put the LeBron one on is because the TS% is extremely ugly
And I didn't put the KD one on because I didn't want people to call me biased lol
I don't think anyone would call you biased for putting a guy who scored the most ever points in a game 7 and was an inch away from beating the defending champs without his 2 co stars healthy
no 2021 kawhi?
Forgot him and PG
Kyrie in 2016 also did some heavy lifting with Bron for that Cavs team
If you factor in Difficulty of opponent and how stacked the teams were
Bron faced no team of note before the finals, both Kawhi '19 and Dirk '11 were tougher looking at the whole playoff run.
Why is Bron 16 here when he faced better competition in 2012, 2013, and 2020? 2016 run is hard carried by the 73-9 GSW victory
Ehhh, the east was pretty weak in 2016. The Raptors we're never true contenders with DeRozan, the Heat were old, and Atlanta was pretty mediocre. None of those were true favorites to win the chip.
Lol Kawhi would've lost to Klay. He had the easiest ring.
Sixers and Bucks though.
Don’t know if those are really noteworthy teams though. Tough challenge and genuine contenders obviously, but they weren’t mega stacked teams or anything. Those are just the kinds of teams you’ll get more often than not once you hit the second round/conference finals.
> Don’t know if those are really noteworthy teams though
Both of them are comfortably better than any team the next two title teams faced (given the condition the Nets were in)
I agree they’re certainly better than any team we faced (although the Nets are better than they’re given credit for, especially given Kyrie actually played half the series). Not sure they’re a whole lot better than the 2020 Nuggets but they also weren’t an easy matchup like those Nuggets were for the Lakers.
Regardless, my point is those teams are good but by quality of opposition it’s not anything crazy. Kawhi (and the Raptors as a team) deserves credit for playing really well, strength of opponent isn’t much of a compounding factor.
Klay played majority of the quarters and we beat him majority of those quarters. People act like he played 5 quarters and was out lmao.
Some people act like Klay didn't play a single minute in the finals it's ridiculous
2019 raptors didn’t face any super strong opponents but you have to give them credit for beating the warriors, the bucks and the jimmy butler sixers. It’s not often that a team wins a ring going thru 3 legitimate contenders.
They're not gonna give these Raptors their flowers til after several years has passed. Just cause East is "weak" in their eyes, when in reality Bucks and 6ers both could have reached the finals as well.
Feel like that usually happens after most rings but more so now because of social media and people being upset there team lost.
I respect that Raptors team much more now than I did during the run.
Too much depth, too many vets, too many good role players and a legit superstar.
Best defensive team ever imo
They were also amazing obviously. Kawhi gasol lowry DG vanvleet defensive core is just insane tho
Yea they’re prolly best defence of the decade although I might put ‘14 Spurs above them
They’re not even close to the 04 pistons tho. We kept 5 opponents in a row under 70 points. We kept the Kobe-Shaq Lakers to only 68 points in the NBA Finals lol
Comparing rosters on paper the raptors look better but I didn’t watch those pistons so I guess I don’t know shit
Warriors should've lost in 5 if not for Nick Nurse's timeout.