There’s a signed PSA 10 Alpha Black Lotus up on Ebay with 10 hours left it’s at $150k
By - phyrexianrecruit
I don’t know the first thing when it comes to grading cards. And neither does whoever graded that as a 10.
Comment I expected to see. I can see defects even from the shitty quality photo.
Yeah who is the seller, Daniel?
Oh crap, I thought you were kidding. It really is Daniel. Guess the guy is so sad that Rudy left him that Daniel's selling out.
I did not expect to be right. Thought he was kidding too. Who woulda thought, the seller of a 10 but not actually 10 black lotus has the first name of DANIEL! I mean, really what are the odds that I would guess that exactly, without even looking at the ebay post.
Daniel- thats a BAD SIGN for you!
I need to know more about this user name. Is it like a Christ who wields knives? or is it like a soft declaration of "Knife that Christ Guy"
Genuinely not Christian or religious; just morbidly curious
Its a long story. Back in the early-mid 2000s this FPS game came out on PC called Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which was okay single player but had REALLY awesome multi-player, for its time. My internet connection was spotty in the early years of playing the game and so i would usually be afflicted by some lag, and i probably wasn't the only one. Depending on the server, the intensity of the lag could be really horrific.
Ironically, it was playing in these intensely lagged servers as a complete noob that inspired the name. You see, my guns and grenades could never seem to hit anyone... but my KNIFE... my KNIFE was blessed by the almighty!
Because lag was so bad on these particular servers, my enemies experienced great difficulty shooting me, even up close! All I would do is run up to enemies and run around them holding the primary attack button down, stabbing blindly.
In RTCW, stabbing someone in the back (backstab) would kill them in 1 hit, so naturally if you chaotically ran around someone stabbing blindly you'd eventually get the backstab. For some reason this was EASIER to achieve amidst the lag!
My imaginative mind enjoyed roleplay and would have macros set citing quotes from the holy bible after any kill i got with the "knife of christ" which depicted the kill as a blessing from god. Thematically, I set my username to none other than Knife Christ.
RTCW also used a "class" system, like many games have adopted- the closest match (though its much goofier) is team fortress/team fortress 2. So naturally, i played as a Medic since they can revive people which felt fitting for my name and playstyle, after which i would again use the biblical macros. I really got into character with it.
As years passed and i got much better at the game, a free to play standalone expansion released called Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. This would become my favorite multiplayer FPS of all time. In the expansion a new class was introduced- Covert Ops. This class could "steal the identity" of enemies they killed, and thus run around not only in the enemy uniform but also with their username, making it much easier to sneak up on the enemy. I mastered this class, and you guessed it- backstabs were my specialty, giving more credence to my name.
So ever since those days, I have used the name. Has nothing to do with my own spiritual beliefs or anything, just my favorite gamer tag. One bonus is that the name is never taken, which seems to always always always be an issue when creating characters/gaming profiles- the name you want is always taken unless its something obscure.
This was so much more than i was expecting. I read it out loud to my wife who laughed along with me! You keep at it KnifeChrist!
Lol thanks man, I will!
I've got another username separate from my reddit account with the same kind of username and story except the game was CS 1.5
As much as those days were the glory days, I don't miss being on a dial-up modem.
Enemy territory might be my favorite multiplayer fps of all time. So damn good!
Your Lord and savior: [right here](https://images.app.goo.gl/EbG7hDmKdNTKtF116)
It's a consignment, not his card.
No chance on planet earth that's a 10. Look at all that white on the bottom left and half the right hand side.
You can clean that up real quick with a Sharpie once you win.
i don't know how PSA trumpeters (over BGS) get up in the morning and eat their cereal before getting dropped off at daycare.
I'm going to second this opinion
Take it out and have it regraded. If it's not a 10, "Item Not As Described", full refund. Tell the seller to hurry up with that $4,000 return shipping label.
And then send back a proxy and have eBay side with the buyer. A classic eBay story.
Now we just need to get someone named Daniel to execute this plan on Daniel!
Make a short film called Daniel Fucks Daniel: No Homo.
I haven't seen it but I have heard it is Graded at a 10
A proxy good enough to actually be graded 10
The auction is for a psa 10 black lotus, not a black lotus which can get a 10 if submitted
This seller has has been selling a number of questionable PSA10s this past week. Right off the bat this card can’t be a 10 because of the centering. Like you can measure it objectively and it doesn’t meet PSA’s criteria for a 10.
Yet somehow, it does. Shame on you, PSA, garbage grading company.
That top left corner looks cut wrong to me, but I'm an amateur, what do I know?
88.5k sub members, everyone putting $5, greatest collective Magic spec ever.
Given some of the posts we've had here recently, I'm not sure everyone would even be able to chip in that $5.
When all my trudge gardens and rise of the dread marns spike, I'll gladly put In, like $3.50
$5 is overabundant, I bet we can get away with it for $2.99.
You tryinn to make some illegal ETFs?
I'll hold it for the group
Didn't LSV promote this kind of service in the past?
Definitely no way to convince this sub to give vintage magic even $5
This is that guy everyone dislikes, right?
Dan from Vintage Magic selling this huh? Is that a turnoff for those of you with the net worth to buy cards of this caliber? Or is it a plus because at least he legitimately exists regardless of reputation?
That the same guy that got posted about a couple days ago that ripped someone off buying a black lotus?!?
No, but he's the guy who trusted the person who ripped off someone for a Lotus.
Ahh I see. This doesnt exactly look on the up and up either.
Haha it didn’t sell. $202,700 reserve not met.
Wow, unless those scratches are superficial to the case, that's a very generous 10 with the bottom-left corner and top edge wear on the front, and top-right white speckling on the back's black border.
Pretty sure all those mm scratches are on the inner sleeve. With the front mid left scratch you can see it extend slightly past the card and it looks similar to the other spotted scratches.
All my PSA graded baseball cards do not have an inner sleeve.
Agreed. That is not a 10, and the fact that it is being reported as such by a reputable grader has be really suspect.
Pretty sure Daniel Change said something like there being a $1 million reserve or something. It's just an advertisement for Ebay at GenCon. It wasn't expected to actually sell.
Want to crowd source a free appraisal of your high dollar magic cards? Just put them up for auction with an insanely high reserve.
> Reserve fees are calculated at $5 or 7.5% of the reserve price you set, whichever is greater, up to a maximum fee of $250.
Seems like a small price to pay for the attention
Source? If so that is just next level scummy lol
> that is just next level scummy lol
Peak Daniel Chang.
I think it was somewhere in the video. Nothing said flat out but a lot is implied but why he says. https://youtu.be/Ln3c13goGz0
If that’s a 10, so Is my wife
Does she do parties?
WOW they were so much more lenient about grading cards back then it seems. There is no way that is a PSA 10 card - sorry to say
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Put your titties away bitch you're shilling pokemon cards
“She’s only fuckin me for my pokemönz”
OMG I hate those sellers... I always assume the seller "invested" in silicone and they have to work it off by holding booster boxes.
Bro, kinda weird to put "invested" in quotes when the average return on plastic tits is probably more than any of us have ever made on cardboard.
Breast implants gets reprinted too often, bad spec. You can get better returns from bulk feet pics
Frequent reprints but near infinite demand.
Hi! That's my bid. Not to tip my hand, but I plan on getting the card at any price.
Thank you! Really hoping I can stay on top of the bidding 😁
>Reserve price not met
Looks like you still have a ways to go.
edit - OUCH
$4,000.00 Overnight shipping
It says hand delivered; so, you gotta pay DC's airfare 😅
What airline is $4,000 for a flight?
I'm sure his return flight has a connection in Europe or something.
Who says he's flying coach?
Even first class isn't that much
First class can cost a lot more than 4k
Maybe for international. It's like $600-1500 for most US domestic.
$4000? Jesus, he really is a scumbag
ANY PRICE you say?
*steeples hands menacingly*
Do you feel this card deserves the grade?
You know, I really don't. Which is why I don't think it's going for way more than this right now. It's by no means in bad condition, but probably not the 10.
Holy hell man, good luck! Give us a sneak peak at your collection some time!
Thanks man! Will do!
Are you post Malone irl?
No, but I have seen his collection!
That sure sounds like you are tipping your hand :)
Just out of curiosity any expectations on how high it will go?
I wouldn't be surprised to see it go to ~180k near the end.
lol 200k and reserve still not met.
I'm still ready :)
I'm quite sure it will go higher than that. Didn't one of these go for $500k?
This one is quite obviously graded wrong though.
good luck friend! update us if you get it
Lol what do you think they have the reserve set for? No way he has it under 400k
erm, do you know how reserve price works?
My friend, I have significant experience with high price reserve listings. I appreciate your and attitude though. Have a good day!!
You won’t see any cuz he’s bullshitting
And yet you weren't the final bid, so "at any price" doesn't seem like it was accurate.
Card didn't meet the reserve anyway.
I really don't think it is.
I’m about to sell some bitcoin mate
"Reserve not met"
Over $200k and still not met. Lol
Not a ten, probably submitted a dozen times until they finally found someone to give it a ten.
Super high reserve price, clearly not a serious auction.
Checks seller... ah it all makes sense now.
Advertising for their Gen Con Booth at the cost of eBay listing fees. Interesting approach.
>Advertising for their Gen Con Booth at the cost of eBay listing fees. Interesting approach.
This was a collaboration with eBay. He probably didn't pay any fees.
Daniel Chang = Daniel Cringe
Wow didn't sell because of missing the reserve. I wonder if it was more of a flex than an actual intent to sell.
Not a 10 but definitely not 8 or lower as some on here would attest. Perhaps, the grading was based upon that's the best they've seen or was paid to give a 10. Looking like an 8-8.5. But, I'm no pro.
Agreed. Maybe subjective because of low number graded at the time. Wondering if the numbering gives away when it was graded. But, a 10? I wouldn't think so. I don't think I've seen many 10's from fresh packs. I'd give most a 9-9.5 out of pack. However, I do tend to give lower grades on my cards so as to avoid disagreement when I sell them. Hefty price on that card so far but I don't think it'll reach this one.
Collectible grading does not use a relative scale. A perfect score is not available for every print of every card.
$4,000 for shipping 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
For this amount of money I should be able to pick it up in person, flights and hotel paid for
The post literally says the 4k is for the seller to deliver it in person
Yeah I’ll take my 4K and pick it up in person, thanks.
I see that and I disagree that I should have to pay anything else if I’m forking over six figures. The seller should pay me to come get it ;)
That is a very good point! I would go fly out for it. A full blown vacation with a significant other can be planned around that shipping cost for a week, for $2,000... and that would include flight, transportation around town, hotel/motel, food & entertainment.
Here's to hoping the buyer either thinks of this or sees our comments. Going to assume that if someone has enough disposable income for this one, he/she isn't spending each day slaving away to a job. So I don't think "working too much & can't take time off" is a legitimate excuse.
I flew out for mine.
This guy gets it. Not to mention its signed. Where is the "ITS DAMAGED!!!1" crowd at when you need them?
Joking aside its a nice card but the seller is trash so take your pick.
Can this dirtbag seller be reported for taking major advantage of whomever wins with the $4,000 shipping costs? Just because $5,000 is the maximum amount USPS will charge for insurance, it doesn't mean it should be practically maxed out. I believe it should $100 & then if the buyer wants to spend more, it should be an option.
Could you imagine being able to leave comments in eBay auctions?
The photos are absolute garbage for something that costs almost a mortgage. Oh hey look it's Vintage Magic LLC.
Not even CLOSE to a 10 and would be lucky to be a 9 but there's no doubt about it that is a great looking Lotus.
I wouldn't pay any attention to the current price, however. The only thing that matters is the final 60 seconds.
I really can't stand people who try to grade a card over the internet using low res photos.
I mean, you can see visible wear on the card...
I see visible wear that could be the PSA case.
I ignore that wear and focus on the card-edge wear that cannot possibly be the case. That is enough to bring this down to 9
That doesn't look like wear to me. It looks like the the cut edge. A lot of older cards didn't have 100% clean cuts. There is a bit of a curl on the corners.
Agreed, but that's a large part of why the oldest cards can't be expected to be 10s even when pack fresh
I thought I heard somewhere that PSA grades compared to population condition. Meaning that an Alpha Black Lotus can get a 10 easier than a pack fresh modern card.
I see jpeg compression artifacts...
there's obvious white chipping on the edge of the card. Compression isn't going to just add in random splotches of white.
tagging you as a troll
This card probably barely makes it to a BGS 9. Someone is going to get ripped off by a blind grader here.
I wonder how many times Daniel resubmitted it until he got his 10?
OMG I so much need this token for my asmo deck.
Buyer submits a winning bid that meets the reserve…..only to receive a message that they need to buy 10K more to really buy it.
Welp- didn't sell.
Chang. nobody buying this.
Buy the card, not the grade. That's an awfully generous 10.
Not even close to a 10. I’ll give it an 8.5
Time to see how much Posty wants this. I know the majority hates Autos, but Rush's on a gem 10 Lotus might be an exception.
3 *** 7 and m *** 6 are in a bidding war right now.
With 18minutes to go, a bid of $200,100 from whoever it is, the reserve has still not been met?
What happens in 18 minutes? No sale i suppose?
200k at 10 minutes left
The fact it's signed hurts my soul.
The card is over graded but the signature is actually a bit rare and sought after being a gen 1B.
I didn’t even know PSA graded signed mtg cards before today, let alone be graded as a 10. I just assumed they would be graded as “authentic altered” because most retailers consider signed cards as damaged.
After googling it i found a [forum thread from 2005](https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/442409/mtg-signed-cards) discussing it with the example of a signed Alpha Lotus 10, oddly enough.
This fascinates me as I would value it a little less but maybe theres so few Alpha Lotus 10s that it doesn’t matter. Not that I could ever buy/afford one (I have 0 graded cards in my collection).
With regard to value and Black Lotus specifically, Christopher Rush being deceased also increases the value more than it would otherwise.
A black lotus is maybe one of the few cards to get away with being signed, value wise. But for the monies involved you'd wanna get an Autograph expert to have a look at it too.
Seems ridiculously beat for a 10
PSA really was lax on the grades back then
Seems fishy. Wasn’t the last one that auctioned like half a million dollars for a signed PSA 10 alpha?
That one was signed on the case and much more accurately graded than this one.
What seems fishy? There are two of them in the world; that was one of them, this is the other one.
The huge price difference
It's an auction? We don't yet know what price it will sell for. Could sell for significantly more for all we know.
$4,000 shipping cost for him to deliver it to you? What a joke.
Ikr I'd pay $5,000 to *not* have Dan come see me
Buy the card and not the grade.
Bidding ended. $202k and “reserve not met”. Lol good lord we are in a speculative bubble that is just absurd at this point.
That we are and I imagine their reserve was at least 30-40% more than final based upon a previous one selling for 400-500K. They may have been priced the reserve high enough because they didn’t plan on selling it. Cheap advertising.
This card is an example of why PSA and BGS differ in grading. The centering of this card got a 10 from PSA and would never have receive a 10 centering from BGS.
Being fan of either grading company is a bit like back in the day people squabbling over xbox vs. playstation. you guys are just wasting you breath or time typing. PSA, BGS, CGC cards are graded by humans....the both fuck up. Until PSA integrates the AI grading company's software....we will continue to see outliers.
They both suck, BGS used to slab rebacks.
Both are inconsistent.
That is in no way a 10. Just look at all the chipping along the border.
Super generous ten. The white wear at the top edges wouldn’t classify it. Also, the surface scratches would also disqualify it, even if they are light. These grading companies are getting lazy.
The scratches on the back are clearly on the case -- one of them even extends beyond the border of the card. That said, I agree that it is a relatively weak 10.
If it's signed it's nowhere near a 10 lmao. That shit's hardcore damaged at that point regardless of the rest of the condition.
Signed = damaged. For me a card signed can't be a 10.
Noice. Now I only need to find 160k.
One of you is gonna have to schill bid this one, I'm tapped out.
Also, that is not PSA 10 in that slab. Huh.
Isn't this the same lotus that sold for half a million a few months ago?
Thanks the reminder! I guess Ill just sling out some spare pocket change and buy it up during my lunch break. Kappa
The very fact that the card itself is signed means it can't possibly be all Tens. Plus, there's noticable whitening along the border and that's with a casual inspection via mediocre picture.
Here it is in a video. Looks a bit better than the pics.
Pass. I can’t afford that. Lol
I would never sell a six figure card on eBay. That's like throwing a way tens of thousands in fees. I'd rather pay to fly someone out first class to make the purchase in person than just give the money to ebay.
Doesnt ebay have a cap on fees for a single item or something? Never been relevant for me so I forget...
Yeah, eBay fees are I’m sure the reason why *you’re* not selling six figure cards on eBay.
If you had a clue, you’d know eBay caps their auctions at $750. Some caps are even lower based on the store type.
Jesus Christ this game and its nerdy fanbase. I didn't know ebays fee cap! You got me! I feel bad now! Of course that means I don't make a good living myself, right!?
You made a false statement ("tens of thousands in fees") and got checked. Your argument, which you based on this false statement, has no merit. Take the L and move on instead of Trumping out about it.
You seem fun at parties
That hasn’t been clever since 2005. Good for you for trying to bring it back again. Shouldn’t you be replying to to YouTube video’s with “first”, that was popular then too.
That doesn't look like a 10... Is PSA a joke company?
No with a but. PSA is a legitmate company, and does do grading, but they are not as well respected or accorded as a company like BSG.
PSA is #1 for Pokemon, well respected for Magic. Auto 10 is there for the autograph grade but this was certainly an older one. Even BGS can let rebacks get through.
PSA is still the most reputable. Part of grading os subjective. I also see a lot of BGS graded cards with mistakes... A lot.
Over 100K. I'm flying or they are to meet in person with a grading professional who will authenticate the card. Gonna have to pay for tickets and the person grading/authenticating it. You expected someone to slap $50 insured Priority Mail with Signature? That'll be safe.
It says that the seller will hand deliver the card.
So it does. Thanks for pointing that out!
Starting price - $0.88 - 13 Sep 2021 at 8:45:50pm PDT