MAZARA IS DFA! REMEMBER WHERE TOU ARE ON THIS AMAZING DAY
By - Trelloant
The bad man can't hurt us anymore, let's remember the good times like when he got picked off at second base by the catcher when the bases were loaded and 1 out. Wow what a player.
I feel bad that we are actively rooting for a guy to lose his job.
I feel bad for the guy, but he was given every opportunity here to succeed and he could just never get it together. If we wanted to move forward he needed to be gone, wish him the best tho. Hope he goes to Japan and mashes like Barry Bonds
That's basically how I feel. I feel bad for him and I wish the best for him but ultimately he wasn't helping our Tigers team get better so shit happens
As do I—and a clearly good guy that everyone in the clubhouse liked. It’s the way of sports but it still bums me out.
It's a clearly good guy who frankly belongs in AAA on a cheaper contract. The problem is we can't even move him down if we wanted to.
Nah you’re right, I just still feel bad because dude signed for cheap hoping to bounce back and bought into the positivity of the clubhouse. He just doesn’t have the skills to stick around. But he’ll land somewhere else I’m sure.
$1,750,000 to play baseball for 6 months. He did us no favors - we were his only lifeline and clearly he’s somehow lost his ability to barrel up a baseball.
Sox fan- we did the same thing last year. It took Yermin 2 weeks to surpass his season total in hits
It sucks, but it also means that we are rooting for someone possibly more deserving/qualified to get the job instead.
That’s a good way to look at it.
His career earnings are almost 9 million and hes only 26, do you feel a little less bad for him now?
Nope, not one bit.
Well aren't you just the pinnacle of virtue?
Nomar is somewhere sobbing into stacks and stacks of hundred dollar bills. It’s a tough time for him.
Edit: and stacks
Man, anyone who uses “virtue” in a negative way just has the weirdest energy lol
You never were surrounded by zealous evangelicals, then
Yes, thanks. Hope he has a good finance guy
He still gets paid. Think of it as he gets a long paid vacation.
Should we take your concern that you are good with Urena, Holland, Krol and Farmer?
If there were infinite roster slots and playing time, then this sympathy might be on point, but to keep running him out there in preference to others is simply unjustfied. We can be good with that.
I still feel bad for them. Sports and politics are the only areas where we vocally root for people to lose their jobs - sometimes their dreams. I understand that it’s just the way it is. I have wanted guys DFAed too…but I still feel bad about it on some level.
I just think you misunderstand the dynamic. It's not "his" job in the sense that he owns it or has any claim to it; he's never even done it passably well. The roster slot belongs to the team, he was given a shot, paid almost $2M, he didn't meet expectations in 3.5 months, someone else gets a try.
There are no losers here, including Mazara.
There are lots of other jobs available outside of baseball that he could do, so relax.
for the whole year ?
His contract is guaranteed for the year, yes
It's a business, and he wasn't doing his job. I don't care if he's a saint or a member of the Yakuza.
But not for lack of trying. Baseball is hard. To dedicate your life to something, to make it that far and then fail? Hard pill to swallow.
I hope his replacement will be more productive.
Dude has made $11.7 million in his career thus far so assuming he hasn't spent it all he's set for life.
Are you including his 4.95M signing bonus?
Yeah, whatever baseball reference has for career earnings. Looks like it includes the signing bonus.
He also had a $5m signing bonus. I feel badly for the guy, but he got more service time and money than many better players.
Sure, but to dream of having a big league career after dedicating your life to baseball, and to be told you’re done when you’re still at prime age? Baseball players want to play baseball.
Money isn’t always everything to everyone. People like us who don’t have it can’t understand.
One career WAR in six years will do that
I mean, chances are he could probably get signed by another team. He has his career earnings to live off of so it should matter if he's AAA.
Money or not, life in the big leagues >>> minor leagues. Better travel accommodations, nicer hotels, better food, hotter and more women, lol, bigger and better stadiums, nicer clubhouses, bigger and better crowds and other perks you and I don’t even know about, lol.
None of that matters. The dude has $12 million.
Ok, so you've verified with Mazara that he gives no fucks about playing big league baseball, and nothing else besides money matters to him, and he's confirmed. Gotcha.
Why is the hill you're willing to die on is defending some privileged rich dude? Sure he probably wants to keep playing at the MLB level but the guy is far from suffering.
Feel bad for me. I never got a chance in the majors. Never even got a chance in the minors either. Went to the batting cages once and that’s it.
I’m sure he made more money in a few weeks than you made all year (one year, $1.75 mil). And he’ll still be employable in the future. Hope this helps your actively rooting :)
Of course he made more money than I did. Money has nothing to do with it though. Dude was living his dream and it has been taken away because he struggled at it. More power to him if he can just brush it off and say “ok, onto the next club”. I certainly couldn’t do that.
I hope he can turn it around and have success elsewhere.
Avila wants that wild card spot.
Willi Castro could use some more plate reps to get it right, i still think he could be serviceable! As for Mazara, like the great Mike Tyson would say, "Peath out"
When Willi's good, he's very good. When he's bad... he's very bad.
>Willi Castro could use some more plate reps to get it right
Is it happy hour where you are?
Its 5oclock somewhere my friend, koolaids on tap
Lol. If we're going to have a guy who doesn't hit well, Hill is at least a defensive asset.
This is also a challenge to Paredes: "show us what you got, kid." I hope he plays over Harold and Niko.
Yeah i totally get it, its tough when Willi didnt hit OR field well. I loved his hitting ability last year so a little hungover from that. As for the 2 call ups, theyd be up here in september anyway. All of these moves were great!
> show us what you got, kid
I think this is basically the message to the entire ML and AAA lineup right now..."This is as good of an opportunity as you will ever get...show us what you are going to do with it."
We were never going to be good this season. 2021 has been about getting some experience for the young gun pitchers and sorting out the mountain of borderline-AAA players trying to earn a major league job.
Hopefully, when the dust settles we have a few guys that have claimed spots and a few holes we know we can't fill from within so we can spend a few bucks filling them from outside.
I love the replies on Twitter filled with crab raves.
I made a post 45 days ago about letting Mazara go, seemed 50/50 on the responses. Pretty sure this is 100% agreement at this point, just not an MLB quality player. Took a chance, didn’t work out, but don’t let him block a younger guy. He was awful!
I think the Tigers were waiting for a) some team to get desperate and trade for him or b) all of the young OF prospects and/or Victor Reyes to get healthy before dropping him.
I don’t blame them for giving him a shot, but he didn’t do anything with it. So it goes.
No blame either, and I suppose Hill’s injury may have delayed the inevitable. It’s been obvious for a while he didn’t deserve a spot in the big club though. Even a journeymen could likely have played better D or bopped more homers, or provided speed. Off to Asia he goes.
I was in favor of the signing and I'm glad we gave him every possible chance. It was a good gamble, it just didn't work out. I wish him well.
As for W Castro, I think he's still got a chance. Hopefully he can get straightened out.
This is what this season is about: Sorting these guys out and seeing which ones can stick on a not-awful team.
Is Daz Cameron healthy again? I forgot if he was placed on the IL
He was on the IL.
AND Willi sent to Toledo! Finally!
Damn....I’ve had such high hopes for Castro!!!! Hopefully he will turn it around.
I SPELLED YOU WRONG BUT CAPS EVERYONE THE MOMENT HAS FINALLY COME
Unlikely Derek Hill provides more than mazara was offensively, but it's good to see us trying new things instead of riding the suck wave. Good luck Mazara. Y'all think anyone will claim him?
OK for the shattered dreams contingent:
Do we feel worse for Nomar Mazara after MLB debut at 20, 629 major league games, $13M career earnings with bonus, and exactly **one career WAR**?
Or for Jacob Robson, toiling away in Toledo, six months older, 448 minor league games, zero major league opportunity? Robson's minor league OPS is .809, better than Mazara's, and he's not a defensive liability.
TODAY IS A BEAUTIFUL DAY
Yes Virginia there IS a Santa Claus!
I don't get why people feel bad for this dude. He has made almost $12 million in his career. Assuming he wasn't a total bozo and spent it all, he's set for the rest of his life. If he cares about baseball there really isn't anything stopping him from trying to get signed by another team. He can live on his career earnings and still play professionally. People that empathize with rich people not getting even more rich are weird.
It's not about the money. It's about someone doing something they love and are passionate about, but they are ultimately failing. It doesn't matter how much he is making. Mentally, we all know how much it sucks to try and fail. Who cares about how much he made? On a basic human level, you can show empathy for someone who is failing at their dream. He's put up decent enough numbers before, and the Tigers and fans had some expectations that Mazara didn't meet this season.
Remember that saying "money can't buy happiness?" What if he has all this money, but can never find his groove again? Sure he's comfortable for now, but people have mental breakdowns and blow through money really fast when they think it's an endless amount in the bank. What if baseball was the one thing that made him truly happy, and then everything else his money buys just fills up a tiny moment?
We don't really know anything about this man outside baseball. We can show empathy for someone who has tried and failed.
Man, I really wish I was as morally superior as you. Must be nice.
It's basic empathy.
Okay bud, you can commiserate with him. I'm not going to lose any sleep over a dude worth $12 million not being able to play baseball anymore.
No one else is losing sleep over it either. At most, people are saying "oh, that sucks for him. I hope he gets his groove back. I know what it's like to love something, try my best and then fail. I can understand how shitty he might feel right now".
Sorry you don't have basic human emotions.
What about a perennial all star probably worth 100s of millions of dollars? What about the billionaire owners? Must suck for them too. Oh the travesty. Will nobody think of the poor millionaires and billionaires?
It's not basic human emotions to have empathy for some fucking rich dude. You need to maybe wake up to the real world and realize that nobody gives a shit about you let alone somebody who has made $12 million dollars.
You think every time some baseball player is released or DFA'd that they go "her deh dur shame he couldn't hack it in this league try again somewhere else!!1". It happens every single day on every team. It's not a big deal, nobody cares, life goes on, they'll be okay. No need to think of them more than in that moment when you read the headline.
LOL you got really heated there, buddy. 2 posts ago you said you aren't losing sleep over this yet you still can't let this go and need the last word in the argument.
I really was rooting for him to have a successful run in Detroit and revitalize his once promising career (he was in the top 25 promising young players at one point), but he just hasn't been able to put it all together.
Some of the scouting reports put him at a .270-.280 clip for average with a little pop in his bat, but it seems he's struggled with inside pitches and chasing bad ones, as well. Early concerns were he'd be another Wily Mo Pena, which ended up being a little true.
(Obligatory here because of TDG from r/torontobluejays)
Seeing Hill, Paredes, and especially Aderlin Rodriguez and Daz Cameron rake for the Mud Hens has been great to see in-person. Paredes hasn't convinced me in the short time he's been in the bigs, but I think any of the other 3 would be good value to keep. Rodriguez isn't getting any younger, but I bet at least one of Paredes, Hill, and Cameron will be good for the Tigers for the next part of the rebuild.
YOURE NEXT URENA
Turnbull is on the 60 day IL. So unless we trade for a starter, Urena's here to stay.
Let me dream
Yes but 40 of those days have already been spent right?
Turnbull was on the 10 day IL before the All Star Game. He got moved to the 60 day IL on 7-7. Likely August when we see him again.
This is the best news.
And to all the people who down-voted me when I commented that the Tigers should have never signed him....well, bless your hearts.
Remember how many stupid morons thought signing this bum 7 months ago was good?
Yeah celebrating when a player of yours is cut is not right.
Don’t actively root against your own players.
Still wish they'd bring up Kody Clemens and Jacob Robson. I'd like to see them get a shot