I don't know that they do deserve a happy ending. Gabriel is a selfish, controlling, cruel man. He was willing to destroy Paris and the world to get what he wanted, knowing that his wife wouldn't want him to do this. He constantly puts the son he claims to care about in constant danger while abusing him. I am sick of shitty parents pulling a, "I am hurt and deserve the world," card. No. The world doesn't owe anyone a thing. If you want happiness you have to make it. You get out what you put in. When you put in only misery and evil that's what you get out. It's not pure. Nothing good can come of the bad actions because they are bad. It doesn't matter what his intentions are. He is willing to burn the world to get what he wants instead of making a better world for his son because it's all about him. Real parenting, real love is planting a tree who's shade you will never know. It's about building a better world for your kids because they deserve it. Generational trauma is a thing because people feel the need to validate the pain they went through and make it count for something. That's not how life works.
Signed,
A parent who has lost one child and left my abusive family so my kids could have a better life.
Gabriel got more than he deserved in the end. Adrian was cheated out of knowing the full truth of what a selfish asshole his father is by the one person who should know better than anyone how important the truth is.
Thank you. I was very lucky to get six days with her. And she has two amazing little sisters. They got me and their dad into the show. I think we like it more than they do, lol.
What if the yin yang / balance between good and evil is actually influencing and turning Gabriel into a Villain. Since there has to be bad to balance out the good the world turned him into a villain
Gabriel had choices. Don't take away his agency just because he made the wrong ones. He wanted power. He saw what he was becoming. Even the people who worked with him seemed to stay not for him, but to protect Adrian. Look at the way Hawk Month and every version of the bad guy played to people's pain and offered them power. Gabriel knew he was hurting people for the chance to get what he wanted. There is no way he was fooled into thinking he could make it right. If he didn't understand the desire for power he wouldn't have been nearly as capable of akumatizing people. He was already messing around in dangerous circles before his wife died. He wanted power.
Before his wife died, she was sick. He was trying to find the solution when he realised the problem, not after it become critical (Emilie's death/coma)
The thing is, people usually *don't* see what they are becoming. They start small, slowly pushing their moral boundries further and further when they don't feel like what they did before is enough. You think that people who get addicted to alcohol, drugs or whatever realise that they are getting addicted and just roll with it? I guess that there might be people like that and they just don't care, but most of them don't. They think that a little bit won't hurt, but then they get a little bit more and a little bit more and finally the "little bit more" cumulatively ends up being a lot and they don't even realise that they are addicted. The same thing happens with Gabriel
I'm honestly on the fence about these two.
Had they accepted their lot in life >!assuming Felix wasn't lying!<, they might've ended up quite happy adopting a child or something (along with beneficial press reviews). No dead Emilie, Gabriel wouldn't be (or maybe be less of) a controlling jerk, no Hawk Moth and all the stuff that came with it.
On the other hand, the problems of their characters now may still have existed, which could've culminated in a different but equally bad way. They were still looking for Miraculous and the like. Maybe power was always on their radar.
I feel like either they'll die together (in his last moments Gabriel wakes her up and they run out their clocks together {this heavily leans on she's not dead just in suspended animation until Gabriel finds a cure}) or Gabriel will somehow sacrifice himself for her, realizing what he's become and that Adrien needs her more than he'll ever need Gabriel.
Not really.
Gabriel has become a cruel and twisted man that abused his son, both emotionally and physically in certain timelines.
He's not doing it for Emilie anymore, as we know by the start of Season 5. It's become obsession. And if Gabriel is like this, we don't know if Emilie is 100% a good person.
In Evolution, Gabriel said that he won't let the heroes destroy his future and he said to Emilie that he will be back. He didn't manage to return because the heores stole Bunny miraculous from him
The writers wrote themselves in the corner with giving Gabriel the Bunny miraculous, so they had to bullshit their way out of this or else Gabriel would win and the show would end and we can't have that. LB's lucky charm was the box from season2 finale, and because it's "lucky" it will always be a solution to the problem, no matter how ridiculous that solution would be. Gabriel lost because the gods of the universe "writers" said so, because otherwise the show would end. I can't take this as a legit character moment if it clearly wasn't meant to explore Gabriel's character but purely to retrieve the Bunny so the plot may continue
Nathalie's judgment of the situation isn't legit. For us, viewers it's easy to take her opinion as a follow up to events we saw in the episode, but Nathalie herself didn't see any of this. The only thing she knew was that Gabriel lost but it's not enough to properly judged what happened. From what she said, it feels like she thought that Gabriel had the Burrow all to himself and the only contact with the heroes would be the one he initiated himself, but we know it's not true, because heroes could use the Burrow as well and interfere with Gabriel's action. For all we know, Gabriel could have actually went straight to giving his past self the pendrive, but heroes could have entered the Burrow and taken the Bunny without Gabriel losing his eyes off his target
Nathalie's frustration with Gabriel losing the best chance for them to win is understandable, but her judgment on why this happened isn't reliable at all and shouldn't be taken as an unconditional truth (which is rather common because fandom tends to have a bias in favour of Nathalie and against Gabriel)
What about psychological damage, everybody must be a full blown paranoid in Paris at this point. Could you imagine walking outside with your friends with conditions like this? For all you know your old neighbor is gonna get akumatize and Become Evilwolrddestroyer3000, or maybe it could be your other neighbor, or the owner of that store that you pass by when going to school, or perhaps that guy that fed pigeon all day. Sure she may fix the damage, but no one want to experience grievous wound or death every day,even if there is a necroman…I mean a resurrection hero in the city. Not only that but he has use his power with intent to arm to acquire his goal. THAT is already worth prison time and potentially worst if you consider his « canceled crimes » which yes could be put against him since they were witness to the chaos that he spread that remembers the events.
He deserve prison for LIFE
Yeah all those people who remember their own deaths, definitely not harmed, no such thing as emotional damage
**Edit** Actually I don't even need to rely on that argument. Let's do a thought experiment: I take your arm, and I break it. With really good medical care, it heals to the way it was.
I shouldn't be punished, right? The only harm has been repaired!
Even better thought experiment: I break your arm, and with really good medical care, it heals *better than before*. Should I be rewarded for making your body better?
i hope emilie gets resurrected but discovers all that gabriel has done to make it happen (ex. nathalie’s health, neglecting adrien and forcing him to stay inside) and she will no longer know how to feel ab him.
Adrien was kept inside even before Emilie "died" and Nathalie's health isn't exactly Gabriel's fault since he did everything he could to stop her from using the broken miraculous but she was too stubborn and kept on insisting
Gabriel with brown hair just hits different.
Not every love story has a happy ending.
I don't know that they do deserve a happy ending. Gabriel is a selfish, controlling, cruel man. He was willing to destroy Paris and the world to get what he wanted, knowing that his wife wouldn't want him to do this. He constantly puts the son he claims to care about in constant danger while abusing him. I am sick of shitty parents pulling a, "I am hurt and deserve the world," card. No. The world doesn't owe anyone a thing. If you want happiness you have to make it. You get out what you put in. When you put in only misery and evil that's what you get out. It's not pure. Nothing good can come of the bad actions because they are bad. It doesn't matter what his intentions are. He is willing to burn the world to get what he wants instead of making a better world for his son because it's all about him. Real parenting, real love is planting a tree who's shade you will never know. It's about building a better world for your kids because they deserve it. Generational trauma is a thing because people feel the need to validate the pain they went through and make it count for something. That's not how life works. Signed, A parent who has lost one child and left my abusive family so my kids could have a better life. Gabriel got more than he deserved in the end. Adrian was cheated out of knowing the full truth of what a selfish asshole his father is by the one person who should know better than anyone how important the truth is.
That’s an amazing way to put it, and that’s exactly how I think of Gabriel, you worded it so perfectly, congratulations to you
Im so sorry for your loss 😔
Thank you. I was very lucky to get six days with her. And she has two amazing little sisters. They got me and their dad into the show. I think we like it more than they do, lol.
What if the yin yang / balance between good and evil is actually influencing and turning Gabriel into a Villain. Since there has to be bad to balance out the good the world turned him into a villain
Gabriel had choices. Don't take away his agency just because he made the wrong ones. He wanted power. He saw what he was becoming. Even the people who worked with him seemed to stay not for him, but to protect Adrian. Look at the way Hawk Month and every version of the bad guy played to people's pain and offered them power. Gabriel knew he was hurting people for the chance to get what he wanted. There is no way he was fooled into thinking he could make it right. If he didn't understand the desire for power he wouldn't have been nearly as capable of akumatizing people. He was already messing around in dangerous circles before his wife died. He wanted power.
Before his wife died, she was sick. He was trying to find the solution when he realised the problem, not after it become critical (Emilie's death/coma) The thing is, people usually *don't* see what they are becoming. They start small, slowly pushing their moral boundries further and further when they don't feel like what they did before is enough. You think that people who get addicted to alcohol, drugs or whatever realise that they are getting addicted and just roll with it? I guess that there might be people like that and they just don't care, but most of them don't. They think that a little bit won't hurt, but then they get a little bit more and a little bit more and finally the "little bit more" cumulatively ends up being a lot and they don't even realise that they are addicted. The same thing happens with Gabriel
I'm honestly on the fence about these two. Had they accepted their lot in life >!assuming Felix wasn't lying!<, they might've ended up quite happy adopting a child or something (along with beneficial press reviews). No dead Emilie, Gabriel wouldn't be (or maybe be less of) a controlling jerk, no Hawk Moth and all the stuff that came with it. On the other hand, the problems of their characters now may still have existed, which could've culminated in a different but equally bad way. They were still looking for Miraculous and the like. Maybe power was always on their radar.
I feel like either they'll die together (in his last moments Gabriel wakes her up and they run out their clocks together {this heavily leans on she's not dead just in suspended animation until Gabriel finds a cure}) or Gabriel will somehow sacrifice himself for her, realizing what he's become and that Adrien needs her more than he'll ever need Gabriel.
I can’t wait to find out what happens at the end of season 5.
Bible Spoiler. >!Gabriel dies, Emilie returns and Lila gets the Butterfly Miraculous.!<
Oh ok, I thought that was just a rumor.
Not really. Gabriel has become a cruel and twisted man that abused his son, both emotionally and physically in certain timelines. He's not doing it for Emilie anymore, as we know by the start of Season 5. It's become obsession. And if Gabriel is like this, we don't know if Emilie is 100% a good person.
In Evolution, Gabriel said that he won't let the heroes destroy his future and he said to Emilie that he will be back. He didn't manage to return because the heores stole Bunny miraculous from him The writers wrote themselves in the corner with giving Gabriel the Bunny miraculous, so they had to bullshit their way out of this or else Gabriel would win and the show would end and we can't have that. LB's lucky charm was the box from season2 finale, and because it's "lucky" it will always be a solution to the problem, no matter how ridiculous that solution would be. Gabriel lost because the gods of the universe "writers" said so, because otherwise the show would end. I can't take this as a legit character moment if it clearly wasn't meant to explore Gabriel's character but purely to retrieve the Bunny so the plot may continue Nathalie's judgment of the situation isn't legit. For us, viewers it's easy to take her opinion as a follow up to events we saw in the episode, but Nathalie herself didn't see any of this. The only thing she knew was that Gabriel lost but it's not enough to properly judged what happened. From what she said, it feels like she thought that Gabriel had the Burrow all to himself and the only contact with the heroes would be the one he initiated himself, but we know it's not true, because heroes could use the Burrow as well and interfere with Gabriel's action. For all we know, Gabriel could have actually went straight to giving his past self the pendrive, but heroes could have entered the Burrow and taken the Bunny without Gabriel losing his eyes off his target Nathalie's frustration with Gabriel losing the best chance for them to win is understandable, but her judgment on why this happened isn't reliable at all and shouldn't be taken as an unconditional truth (which is rather common because fandom tends to have a bias in favour of Nathalie and against Gabriel)
Gabriel, no. Emilie, possibly yes (we don’t know much about what she was actually like).
Gabriel doesn't deserve a happy anything. He's literally the biggest genocidist in history.
He has not actually harmed anyone yet, only 'harm' has been repaired...
What about psychological damage, everybody must be a full blown paranoid in Paris at this point. Could you imagine walking outside with your friends with conditions like this? For all you know your old neighbor is gonna get akumatize and Become Evilwolrddestroyer3000, or maybe it could be your other neighbor, or the owner of that store that you pass by when going to school, or perhaps that guy that fed pigeon all day. Sure she may fix the damage, but no one want to experience grievous wound or death every day,even if there is a necroman…I mean a resurrection hero in the city. Not only that but he has use his power with intent to arm to acquire his goal. THAT is already worth prison time and potentially worst if you consider his « canceled crimes » which yes could be put against him since they were witness to the chaos that he spread that remembers the events. He deserve prison for LIFE
Yeah all those people who remember their own deaths, definitely not harmed, no such thing as emotional damage **Edit** Actually I don't even need to rely on that argument. Let's do a thought experiment: I take your arm, and I break it. With really good medical care, it heals to the way it was. I shouldn't be punished, right? The only harm has been repaired! Even better thought experiment: I break your arm, and with really good medical care, it heals *better than before*. Should I be rewarded for making your body better?
He emotionally abuses and neglects his son for the sake of his obsession to win, how is that not harm?
I'm talking more about physically harming people
Physical harm isn't the only form of harm.
Yes well, I am only talking about physical harm as it is easier to gauge. People take psychological harm from just about anything nowadays.
He harmed himself
That would still be Hitler.
Not even him, really
Gabriel killed all 6 billion people on earth.
I understand not liking Gabriel, but calling him the biggest genocidist in history is objectively incorrect
Did caused the extinction of the entire human race. And honestly probably all complex life.
?????
i hope emilie gets resurrected but discovers all that gabriel has done to make it happen (ex. nathalie’s health, neglecting adrien and forcing him to stay inside) and she will no longer know how to feel ab him.
Adrien was kept inside even before Emilie "died" and Nathalie's health isn't exactly Gabriel's fault since he did everything he could to stop her from using the broken miraculous but she was too stubborn and kept on insisting
They can't be together anymore.
Yes. I love them as a couple.
Gabriel deserves nothing, he had what he was after and he gave it up because he cared about power more
Yes! Thank you! <3
A happy ending would mean getting rid of the power-hungry maniac who thinks he's supposed to win all of the time.