Kfc Australia now have paper packet and cardboard spoon, replacing the plastic.
By - MortaniousOne
This is because South Australia banned plastic cutlery and straws, it's the start of a process where more single use plastic is banned over time.
Can't ban Nestlé, though, and they do far more damage to the environment than plastic straws ever will.
Also consumer level single use plastic is nothing compared to B2B.
So it's great, but also barely makes a difference.
Pretty much zero difference and the Corps get to pretend like you and they are teaming up to fight waste!
What a crock of shit
More like they get to blame us for it.
I mean technically since at some point we're the one consuming their products, they could push the blame onto us. Since most people aren't aware how harmful many industries are though (since corps actively try to cover that stuff up), it's kinda like feeding unsuspecting people human meat and then shaming them for being cannibals.
Edit: this inspired me to make a [meme](https://redd.it/nmdj24)
there is even a term for that, it's called greenwashing
I thought green washing was when companies tried to present a facade that they were not as harmful by buying things like carbon credits, instead of actually trying to reduce their carbon footprint.
It's presenting a facade where they show themselves as more environmentally friendly than they really are, period. Carbon credit is one of the tools, ads about recycling with dubious stats and feel-good stories is another.
Edit for disambiguation : gave a definition for greenwashing
Yeah it’s like companies that use paper straws instead of plastic that say switching is helping the environment when in reality it doesn’t really help much at all. The company just gets the free advertising from saying they’re eco friendly
You also use twice as many paper straws because they get soggy and fall to shit in the middle of your movie. All my local cinemas now give out 2-3 straws per drink.
*in these trying times*
Now, more than ever...
Ugh, I never realized how much I hate that phrase
Do you hate it now, more than ever?
...together we are stronger...
During this COVID bugaboo, there are some serious cats getting down to a mean business. We thank you for your cooperation
Can I offer you an egg in these trying times?
Maybe raise prices a bit while at it because all this cardboard is, surely, oh so so expensive
... It is government mandated change. Fuck are they gonna pretend? "Oh look, your government forced us to finally change cutlery, we are in this together! Just like... Ummm, every single goddamn corporation in this country."
At least this will help cut back on all the shit you see derros throw out the car window that piles alongside the highway and never degrades.
It's not enough to solve environmental issues, but let's not just shit talk it like it's 100% useless.
Fast Food packaging often gets thrown out of a car or lands next to bins. No need to talk about why people do this, some are just too stubborn to pick it up or plain idiots.
In the end it's better to have a cardboard spoon decompose in a patch of grass after 2 months than a plastic one in 450 years.
And in the long term having more and more corporations change to environmental friendlier packaging adds up and makes a difference.
I don't get it either. You leave it in the car until you get to a gas station, and toss it out then, or where ever the hell else you're going.
My grandparents were always adamant about having a garbage bag (small) in the car for this reason, at least it’s tidy until you get to the gas station/home.
All cars should come standard with a waste bin compartment. They're so incredibly handy.
>compared to B2B
Ah yes, B2B, the thing everyone knows.
business to business. I could have said commercial. But there's a difference, as commercial is still a final product being sold to a business. B2B is really products/materials being sold to businesses to make another product (Which could end up in residential sales)
In developed countries, consumer plastic is what ends up littering the roadside, then swept into storm drains and rivers, and out into the ocean. Industrial users don't litter. In developing countries, industrial users do litter, and municipal garbage doesn't always go to proper landfills anyway.
> Industrial users don't litter.
I hate being the woke asshole but this one's too easy.
In developed counties industrial users avoid littering and polluting by lobbying to get the definitions of littering and pollution changed to allow them to dump their waste into the environment legally.
Commercial over fishing as well.
I know theres a valid hate boner for nestle but what does this have to do with the post?
Driving awareness presumably. So people don’t go “ah yes we’ve solved plastic” when the public facing single use items disappear from daily view.
Places are banning single use plastic whereas Nestlé (Coca Cola, Pepsi, and others, Nestlé isn't alone) keeps pumping out millions of plastic water bottles, plastic wrappers, ect
Edit: with no consequences. Somehow they aren't concerned with the single use plastic ban
Same part of Australia that did also has container deposit on drink bottle so at a minimum they don't get littered everywhere and a large chunk get recycled.
Because it's easy for a government to ban plastic straws when it's a mere fraction of plastic waste and the only people it negatively affects are disabled people for whom there is no viable alternative. Banning single-use plastics runs the risk of promoting the misconception that individual choices can make an impact compared to corporate pollution, and that the environment can be saved if only we make a few more small changes at little or no inconvenience to us.
Actual, meaningful regulation on the corporations that are destroying the environment? Never gonna happen. It gets in the way of The Economy.
To be fair, The Economy is pretty damn important.
Nestle is putting chemicals in the water to turn the frickin orangutangs gay!
They moved on from frogs?
That's evolution, Baby!
But isn't the production of cardboard stuff worst for the environment than production of plastic. I think the problem is not the plastic it's what we do with it after usage.
People have a hard time seperating different enviromental issues. Getting rid of small plastics is more of a waste reduction strategy then it is a strategy for reducing CO2 output.
Neato. It's also cool that Australia KFC is seemingly ok with using the word "Kentucky" while American KFC has pretty much abolished the word.
P.S. American KFC is not great. Over priced. Under sized portions. Most grocery stores in the U.S. that have a hot deli have better chicken.
Is ‘Kentucky’ offensive or something?
I've no idea why they dropped it initially. Maybe it's because "KFC" is more marketable.
Probably the same logic as the SciFi channel changing itself to the *SyFy* channel. Don't want to be negatively associated with that nerdy crap. Now, sit back and enjoy a movie marathon featuring classics such as SS Doomtrooper and Mansquito.
SyFy Channel. For the cool kids.
I'm still scratching my head over the decision to put wrestling on that channel years ago.
I think it's because "fried" is considered unhealthy. I don't think Kentucky itself offends anyone.
Nope. It's because the state of Kentucky wanted royalties for using the state in the name.
Nope. You got trolled by Snopes.
[This article](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kfc-and-fried/) is part of their [The Repository Of Lost Legends (TROLL) section](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-authority/) created to teach us to question everything, even Snopes.
Not *that's* mildly infuriating.
I don’t think the US getting smaller portions sizes is much of a concern.
Not in general, no. American portions are generally huge, but KFC's portions are simply under sized (and pretty poor quality) for the price you pay.
Popeyes is better anyways
Haaaa yes, making useless changes to pretend they care while producing enormous amount of CO2 through coal and not doing anything about it
Fewer single use plastics is absolutely not useless at all.
Of course they should also ditch coal and get renewable energy, but don't hate on banning single use plastics.
South Australia has something like 60% of their energy coming from renewable sources. They have the goal of reaching 100% by 2030, and that goal was set by a right wing government. They’re doing way more than most places.
Labour Party (left) was in power from 2002-2018. They were the ones that started the push to renewable energy. The liberal party (right) was only elected in 2018. They had been highly critical of the renewables transition. 2016 was when south Australia suffered statewide blackouts and ScoMo bought the lump of coal into parliament (federal).
The Liberal government have ended up embracing the push into renewable energy but they were not the ones who started it.
I mean it is worse for the environment in terms of carbon foot print, chemic dumping, and water waste.
Paper needs crazy amounts of Processing, treatment, and lumber to be useful, polypropylene needs a mold at 400f heated by electricity and an injection molder powered by electricity and its good to go.
Sure single use plastic is flooding the oceans but it's mostly from the fishing industries. So if you really want to stop putting plastic in the ocean, don't eat fish
Well, SA uses very little coal, but generally yes.
South Australia uses no coal. Last coal fired plant closed in 2016. Lol at these comments saying useless changes...
Just a bunch of jaded assholes in their thread, for real.
SA has the 2nd earliest renewables target among all Australian states (2030) but sure?
I mean less plastic in the ocean is still less plastic in the ocean. Might not do anything for climate change but it's a positive change
McDonalds (France) has wooden spoons for McFlurrys .. I'm sorry to say that I miss the plastic spoons so much more now.. The wooden spoons leave a taste, and the texture isnt smooth, it's .. well, wood-like
There is nothing OP loves more than the feeling of hard wood in their mouth
Before swallowing the McFlurry
But since the ice cream machine is still broken OP will just have to settle for a mouthful of French wood.
Oh fuck yeah, gimme that saw dust, mmm yummy
I despise those spoons, the texture makes my teeth and my whole skeleton shiver!
I'm literally on the verge of gagging at the thought of those shitty ice cream cups with wood spoons I used to eat as a child. I would do everything possible to make sure my tongue didn't touch it. Dont even want to imagine a full spoon of that. 🤮
What I hate about icecreams the most are those last licks when I reach the stick. Experiencing that every single bite is like a bloody nightmare.
You're not alone.
I have found my people.
McDonalds in Australia too.
Wooden spoons for McFlurries and paper straws which disintegrate when you’re drinking. Yuck!
Hate the wood scratching in your mouth.
I leave a small set of foldable metal camping utensils in my car (along with a pocket knife). Specifically for this reason.
I don’t mind wood spoons because I used to get those cheap ice cream cups with wooden “spoons” but the paper straws are terrible. It makes drinking my soda a totally different experience for the worse
If you don’t gulp down that drink in 5 minutes, the bottom half of the straw disintegrates. If you do gulp it down in 5 minutes, the top half disintegrates. Can’t win either way
I got a large coke from hungry jacks the other day and it didn’t have a straw at all, it had a little bit you pop open and then it’s like a take away coffee cup. Much better than drinking with the shitty ass paper straws.
I got drive thru as hungry Jacks for the first time in a while and saw these cups for the first time. I couldn’t get over how clever they were. Makes so much more sense than straws in general, why didn’t everyone just do that in the first place?!
They removed straws altogether, now the cups have a paper cap, and it doesn’t stay in place. Plastic caps stayed in place perfectly, now you can’t even take your drink without making the cap fall over. Infuriating
EDIT: I’m not saying that we should use plastic. But we should find a better alternative before switching
it's incredibly frustrating that they have seriously impacted function in order to dazzle people with their nature friendly ways when the impact it has on the environment is minimal compared to just a fraction of the top five companies in the world's pollution.
NZ has the same and everytime I get one the first thing I do is replace it with a metal spoon from home
I love the steps so far for minimizing plastics, but omg, the thought of wooden or cardboard (gag) utensils is just the worst.
I'm carrying a full set of metal utensils in my bag now where ever I go (along with the metal straw that currently resides there).
Right on! What I want to bring back is the [personal eating knife](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/medieval-knives). Plastic knives are barely usable, and even steel knives at restaurants are often so dull that they've worn past the serration so you're better off cutting with the spine. It's tough to find something with all the right specs, though (sharp and pointy like a steak knife, travel case that can store the knife even while it's dirty, dishwasher safe, etc.).
And this is what we need to do as a society
Same thing in Germany. I don't think they should be allowed to call it "Flurry" anymore since it's literally ice cream with w/e topping you choose sprinkled on top. Back with the plastic, that stuff was mixed under and then the spoon, which functioned as the "mixer" was left in so you could use it.
All the new spoons do for me is force me to immediately throw them away so that shotty taste doesn't stick around and go home to get a metal one to use (luckily I live within walking distance of my McDonald's).
Perfectly good food? You obviously never eaten in KFC
Okay I'm fine with this but can we please stop with the soggy ass paper straws THEY ARE THE ABSOLUTE WORST
I agree. The straws on my favorite ice coffee got replaced by paper ones and it's absolutely horrendous. It gets soggy very quickly and then it becomes near impossible to drink the whole thing because it just can't reach it anymore. The top part also feels weirdly soft in my mouth.
It's not stopping me from buying more though, so I guess they win.
I'd appreiciate if you'd all help me look less weird by taking my own steel one
Agreed. I bought some silicone reusable straws at Target that fold into a small tin container that I can just keep in my pocket/backpack. Better for the environment than plastic straws and aren't gross like paper straws
I prefer them in iced coffee, and those seem to be a little thicker so as to not fall apart.
The grit of the paper across my teeth is what annoys me. It’s a texture that sends shivers down my damn spine lol.
I can taste this spoon by just looking at it
Paper straw are the worst. They disolve in your mouth as soon as you start to drink from them
A local bar near my workplace had those for a while because a city ordinance banned the use of plastic straws. They didn't want to switch over to metal straws in cocktails for the fact that they are a nightmare to sanitize and re-use.
The paper straws didn't go over well with the usual clientele (obviously), and they eventually switched to straws made from sugarcane. They're biodegradable, have no papery taste, and never get soggy or mushy in your drink.
Knowing that these exist, I'm not sure why anybody wants to use the crappy paper straws with anything.
Presumably paper straws are cheaper
The problem I have with paper straws is not that they get floppy, but they dry out your lips/mouth like crazy. It is so counterintuitive, getting dehydrated while you want to get hydrated...
Exactly! The feeling is so atrocious
Still filling the skip out back every day with plastic and wastage from the products that the consumer never sees.
It's hard to be impressed by actions like this after working in the back of a retail store.
The amount of plastic going straight to landfills is mind boggling. Bigger changes need to happen asap.
Yeap I used to work at a food chain and we switched to paper straws. The packaging those straws came in were all plastic
Fine with me. Knife and fork might be a little iffy, but spoons don't really require all that much in terms of structural integrity as far as utensils go.
I don't think I've ever used a utensil to eat KFC other than the spoon to eat the leftover gravy.
It's blasphemy to not use the sacred KFC spork
Scoop the potatoes with the chicken skin
I thought the extra salted chips was the only acceptable way to eat the gravy/potato and gravy.
You are supposed to mainline it into a major vein.
I hear your argument, ignore KFC, and raise you ice cream as a reason for spoon structural integrity
Paper straws in Wendys thick shakes. It’s just not working.
Fuck paper straws.
If you want me to hate your product, make me use a fucking paper straw.
My mind immediately goes to those little individually packaged ice cream cups they used to give us in school with the little cardboard figure-eight spoons. I don't remember having any trouble with those.
God those little ice cream cups you’d get on pizza day in grade school, nostalgic, though I remember our spoons being wooden but sometimes you’d get the wood flavour so maybe cardboard would be better.
I actually enjoyed the wooden flavour quite a bit
Sucking on the last ice cream drops from the wooden spoon really hits differently
They were made of wood, not cardboard
[Dixie Cups](https://www.peters.com.au/brands/dixie-cup/)! You can still buy those, although I don't know if they come with the little spoons still.
My great grandmother used to run a little corner store and my dad still has a string of little plastic packets of the original Dixie Cup wooden paddle spoons. We can't explain why it's important to keep them, but no one in the family has the heart to throw them away.
Can confirm, I have spoons with visible bend in them from trying to scoop hard frozen ice cream... If metal fails... Anything lesser won't do...
I'm using a 'knife' made of birch wood to butter my bread right now.(surfing and lunching at the office) and have a box of birch forks, too.
The forks are... not perfect when trying to eat cups of noodles, though. They get kind of floppy...
> The forks are... not perfect when trying to eat cups of noodles, though
Wooden chopsticks fam. Or if they’re in your drawer get some nice metal utensils.
Exactly that. No need to replace plastic cutlery with other disposable cutlery. Use re-usable cultery.
This is so funny, remember watching some documentations from decades ago where plastics were praised, "save the trees, use plastic", in a way nobody would today, was newer. Interesting! What a shitty situation right
Biodegradable products are good, but honestly you need to evaluate how much co2 emission comes from making a single use item out of wood, or paper vs plastic. I don't know about cutlery, but bags are surprising; our use of plastic isn't bad, it's that we use everything once! And the fast food industry is one of the biggest problems. Just use your hands or some metal cutlery
Edit: sorry, I haven't eaten fast food in a long time, I don't even understand why a spoon is needed at kfc
The main problem with plastic isn't CO2-emissions.
But it is with paper.
I think we should normalize having a personal dining kit that has reusable utensils, maybe a plate and lid setup for potential leftovers and then you can use moist toilettes to wipe down your utensils before storing. It would cost people a little up front, but there would be significantly less single use products involved if they were only used for people without a kit.
I got such a surprised reaction from the guy working at a salad place in NYC when I asked him not to put the plastic lid on my salad because I was only going to sit a few feet away to eat it. He said he wished more of their customers would think of that, then put the unused plastic lid into the trash.
Not gonna lie, he had us in the first half.
he probably thought that it ruins the count of lids and tray during inventory phase
I think it was more of an automatic pilot thing; if something has been touched, then it's soiled and can't be used for the next customer. Except he was wearing gloves and the lid never touched my food. I don't think he was being a jerk, he was probably just so used to throwing anything away that doesn't get used.
ah makes sense as I can totally see myself also do that
He could just say "would you like a lid for 5c"? And watch the numbers decline.
That would make total cents
At the malls in my area (in Toronto and some surrounding towns) they changed the food court so that all eat in meals have reusable plates, cutlery, cups, etc. And you bring them to a central station where someone organizes it all and sends it to the wash. This was precovid obviously, but it was really nice!
I assume it’s the business that decided it was cheaper to go plastic than wash utensils, so this would prevent cheap ass corporations from saying “they can’t afford it” and you won’t deal with the occasionally poor clean job on utensils either. Just seems to be more self accountability focused and most people don’t want that I guess. Easier to make 50 excuses on why they don’t have time to clean up after themselves when they spend an equal amount of time typing out *why* they don’t have time to do simple tasks.
People don't want to carry things.
Yip. And clean things.
Agreed. Just a reusable cup, spork and plate with maybe an onsite cleaning spot would save tonnes of rubbish
I'll start doing this. And we'll look frigging awesome doing it. Like screw your shitty plastic fork I have my fav metal spork.
Spoons for mashed potato
Reducing plastic is about minimizing our environmental impact beyond simple carbon cost. Paper may have a higher carbon cost, but it doesn’t contaminate our bodies and environment for generations/eons.
That's not true though. I would suggest not making conclusions such as "doesn’t contaminate our bodies and environment for generations/eons" when you don't know what you are talking about, no offence.
[Paper product production identified as the main source of per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) in a Norwegian lake: Source and historic emission tracking](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749120369487)
It is understudied
>The body of evidence in the present study indicates that production of paper products can be a major, largely overlooked, PFAS source to the environment.
It's been going on a long time
>PFAS concentrations in sediments that settled between 1934 and 2017
[Effects of pulp and paper mill effluents on coastal fish communities in the Gulf of Bothnia, Baltic Sea](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/29719921_Effects_of_pulp_and_paper_mill_effluents_on_coastal_fish_communities_in_the_Gulf_of_Bothnia_Baltic_Sea)
This is from 1987 and the concerns over water contamination from paper mills
> It is feared that large-scale effects on the Baltic Sea may ensue from the annual discharge of 200 000 tons of chlorinated organic substances produced in bleaching processes (4).
[Nutrient minimisation in the pulp and paper industry: An overview](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317008877_Nutrient_minimisation_in_the_pulp_and_paper_industry_An_overview)
Large scale impacts, over-enrichment and blooms so dense they reached 20 - 40 km.
>Eutrophication has been observed to impact up to 60% of streams and lakes in some countries. Effects of nutrient enrichment in pulp and paper receiving environments have been observed for many decades. Bothwell (1992) describes blooms of benthal diatoms in the
Thompson River (BC, Canada) in the 1970s that were so dense that they totally obscured the topography of the river over a 20–40 km reach.
If it's not toxic, it'll lead to decreased diversity and excess growth
>Where toxicity does not occur, increased growth in invertebrates and invertebrate biomass (Dubé and Culp, 1996; Dubé et al., 1997) is observed but usually accompanied by decreases in invertebrate diversity.
My problem at the moment is people have this view that "plastic bad" when it's much the same as anything else we use in the modern world, demonising one does not make another better, only hearing about the bad effects of one in the media does not make another better. The costs for each are different, the plastic industry can argue one side and paper the other, but overall they are both a cost.
This contamination is *everywhere* in everything, you just hear about the plastics more than anything else at the moment. CO2 emissions are greater, there are *different* forms of contamination, and we're all fucked.
Here in the Netherlands, McDonald's replaced their plastic straws with fucking paper cardboard ones or something that get all wet and spongy when you drink from them. Anyway, cardboard sucks.
Straws are definitely crap when paper,
Do these also come broken 90% of the time?
I just take my own utensils in my bag, cardboard is just terrible.
Oh yeah, taking your own utensils here is illegal. A metal fork could be used as a weapon. And let's not talk about the knife. *seriously, someone solves this problem, it's ridiculous*
> Oh yeah, taking your own utensils here is illegal. A metal fork could be used as a weapon.
Seriously? How do people go to a picnic? How do you buy cutlery?
Our fists, legs and teeth could be used as weapons too. Maybe we should get paralyzed before we are deemed safe to be allowed to go outside?
Whee the heck do you live that a fork is illegal???
It's a *metal* fork, that's what makes it illegal. In Belgium.
For source, there's that cop that asked me where I got that fork, while I was eating a cup of pasta on a bench.
I would laugh out loud and they'd have to repeat the question multiple times before I realized they were serious.
I’m just going to hope it was that one cop that was messing with you
Op is in prison? And had to hide the good cutlery in his prison wallet
Single use things still not eco-friendly.
Ugh, I can taste the cardboard spoon through the picture
So the spoon and the food taste the same now?
Have had KFC in half a dozen countries. KFC in America is by far the worst.
KFC in Singapore and Australia are equal first.
Is KFC in Australia different from the Homeland. All their sides are garbage, but are there people out there who think their chicken is bland?
KFC in Aus is pretty legit, imo its one of the better fast food outlets.
Your commentary disappoints /r/hailcorporate behind this post
If kfc don’t have spfork is it still kfc???
Ahh, I see you’ve played knifey-spoony before
It's a bamboo spoon. And eating anything with it delivers a woody flavour. Bring your own spoon, it's better for all
Climate change avoided, good job everyone.
Too bad they don't ban the chicken factory farms. Far greater impact.
this isn’t mildly interesting, this is stupid advertising
Didn't we move away from using paper for everything because we were cutting down way to many trees?
Yup. We've come full circle. They'll tell us to bring our own spoons, plates and straws next
Ahh cut trees to save Ocean
The greenwashing is intense.
Also, virtue signaling.
If only they replaced the chicken with something better as well
Australian KFC is the shit
I’ve had American KFC v Australian and agree, it is much better. Although most of the standards (McD’s, Dominos etc) are better in Aus because they keep the standard high to flush out competition. In the states if you want burgers you have 10 different chain options, with higher quality for higher price all the way down to the dollar menu.
As far as chicken goes though we don’t have Popeyes, which I wish we did as it’s totally different to KFC
I think he was talking about the environmental impact.
If only someone was saying how unsustainable meat production is at a current scale...
Kinda funny that now we can eat chicken raised in completely inhumane conditions in an ECO FRIENDLY way!
It's like people using metal spoons to save the ocean while eating fish
Throwing one wooden spoonful of water to the dumpster fire that is industrial animal agriculture!
It was organic water though.
And organic wood. Straight from the Amazon.
> If only someone was saying how unsustainable meat production is at a current scale...
Legit. Even if you ignore the ethical questions of factory farming you still have the insane water use, the carbon production, the land dying, the rivers being poisoned and on top of all that factory farms are the perfect place for pandemics to start.
If you care about the environment probably dont support factory farming because using a plastic spoon ain't gonna help.
"Oh but I'm eating my second meal with meat of the day with a wooden fork so it's okay!"
And now everything taste of cardboard....
Why are people still eating at KFC.