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Far-Kale1855

I think people are worried because the COVID shot isn’t fda approved and they don’t know the long term effects. No need to be a dick to people that did get it though.


Bethel1987

Pfizer just got FDA approved


Thestevenbateson

also approved Oxycodone... amongst other things, Not that it matters to anyone, but time and time again, the FDA has been known to approve things with limited testing. Im on the "wait and see" side. I've never contracted covid through this entire time, working multiple close contact jobs. I have merely worn a mask when asked and respected social distancing. Its a real disease I just dont think this thing is the size of caliber its being paraded as. I know people who are currently suffering from covid, but out of all the people i know to have gotten it, 9/10 returned to work within the 2 week period and I only can count a few people who were already experiencing pre existing medical conditions are actually suffering from covid.


RogueKatt

Anecdotal experience doesn't change the fact that over 600,000 people in the US have died from Covid. And we still don't know the full extent of long term effects in people who got it but didn't die


Thestevenbateson

Can't you literally make that same argument about the covid vaccination?


HoseDoctors

Yes.yes you could. And here we are.


Thestevenbateson

Also speaking from more experience, my wife and her sister both can't have the flu shot because they're allergic to the live cultures they use in said shot. We have called many vaccination sites across both Utah and Oregon, the two states we both live, and not one could confirm with her sister or us what live cultures they use or any ingredient, so we just aren't going to risk an adverse effect and wait.


PantsOnHead88

If by “cultures” you mean using attenuated or inactivated virus for vaccination, neither the Pfizer nor Moderna vaccines use this approach. If you mean something else I’d be curious to investigate further. I’m not aware that there are any “live cultures” in the vaccines. You also questioned whether “the same could be said about the vaccine” drawing a false equivalence with the virus itself. The vaccine has not killed 600,000. The CDC states 6,789 cases of post-vaccination death with 357,000,000 doses administered in the US. Roughly 5 billion does have been administered worldwide. While the “we don’t know what to expect” claim may have flown early on it’s really doesn’t at this point. That’s far more data than an extended testing period would have generated.


Thestevenbateson

As a matter of fact, globally, the flu takes at least 290,000 people a year. Covid is going to be around a long time. Just like the flu.


[deleted]

I know some genuine “wait and see” folks. They are hesitant, not opposed. However there are definitely bad faith actors who put out the “it’s not FDA approved argument” at the same time that they spout distrust in government agencies in general. Meaning, the moment it is FDA approved, they’re already planning on moving the goal post. And of course there are some genuine reasons to have distrust in such agencies, but the most vocal folks on these conspiracies seem against the very things that would ease or remedy those concerns: funding, regulations and accountability. That’s what makes some of these conspiracy theories so insidious. It sprinkles in half truths or existing concerns, increase false information, offer no fix—only anger and next conspiracy theory to make more people angry and fearful. And at the same time steering them into supporting policies that are entirely in the opposite direction of any solution.


Silverspeed85

Do I have some good news for you, then...


SnuSnuLover

Emergency approval is a real thing for a number of novelty drugs and people can't be happier to get something to help them. Also, vaccines in the vast majority of cases (we are talking virtually all cases) cannot have any long term effects (besides getting immunity) as the body decomposes it within days. Long term effects are seen in drugs that are being taken repeatedly over time. And anyway, the vaccines are studied for safety anyway, just as any other drug. So yeah, not being a dick but all people are scared of is lack of knowledge- and that's fine as long as they are willing to learn.


OpalRose1993

Way I see it is you do you, I'll do me. I'm the weirdo that masked from day 1 (even advocated masks for sick people before Covid surfaced) but I'm pregnant and despite all the people saying otherwise....my husband has had adverse vaccine reactions in the past, has a family history of it, and I don't trust it enough quite yet to get it. I understand why others choose otherwise. But it's a choice. And one I'll probably be downvoted for lol. I'm no antivaxxer, not an antimasker. Just someone trying to do what I feel is right for myself and my baby. Just like everyone else.


Thestevenbateson

well youre a good person, duh ;) I feel like this is a healthy mentality that alot of people should look into adopting...


sickvici0us

All the others are actual vaccines.


mcshadypants

Pfizer is getting theirs approved. Still not thrilled about getting it but at least I can have some solace knowing even though I'm injecting a hastily thrown together vaccine, it's been approved by a team without a vested interest in the sales


Sminide

Long term effects are not effects that are showing up after a long time after the vaccination. Instead they are effects that are coming up a short period after the vaccine and stay for a long time. We DO know the long term effects of the COVID vaccine.


[deleted]

No need to worry anymore. Phizer is FDA approved!


HoseDoctors

You are right and I agree. To add this particular virus for the mass percentage of the population is not a threat. Im sure there was a push back in the same way with previous vaccines. Nothing is new under the sun


Empty-Refrigerator

5 have long term testing and have proof that they dont cause cancer or Shit like Thalidomide.. the covid vaccine has no long term testing, 10 years from now you could get random cancer or lung damage or be unable to have kids... or nothing at all. im still vaccinated but i do understand


Obi_van_Knobi

and vaccines never have "long term effects", long term study of vaccines means looking for very rare side effects and find out how long immunity lasts, not "late side effects". if you don't have it in a month of getting the shoot you won't get and other side effects from it.


[deleted]

This I have never understood why they think covid has a microchip why would they invent something new instead of just putting the microchip into am already established vaccine. Like I never understood it.


Klexosinfreefall

I think the microchip is a misrepresentation and a straw man argument to make that movement look utterly ridiculous. We already have microchips and tracking devices pretty much within arm's reach 24/7... Isn't that right Siri


andrenyheim

It is only used to silence any discussion. The conspiracy is ultra far fetched, but applied to anyone who has legitimate questions or concerns.


[deleted]

To be fair I never liked the phone argument either everyone knows your phone can track you but if you needed or wanted not to be tracked you could just leave your phone at home you cant just leave a microchip at home.


OpalRose1993

Yeah..... people who get stuck on this "theory" give people with legit concerns a bad name.


Fun-Examination340

they’re already carrying a little tracking device in their pocket


horsebeater81

with all the tracking options enabled


Lukmarce

Is this some kind of boomer joke that I am too young to understand?


Jamsya_

Facebook


Futuralistic

*Tuberculosis Shot has entered the chat*


Kilocourier

Those took YEARS to develop. This one barely a year......


gmes78

There was a lot more funding. It's much easier to do when you have every resource you could want available.


Leazerlazz

I'd love a microchip in my arm that gave constant 5g


GreyJedi56

Get that political humor crap outta here


Diseased-Jackass

Yes because the vaccine can vote in general elections…


Substantial_Ad9666

We weren’t threatened to take the first 5. That’s one difference. 😎


Silverspeed85

The first 5 are required to attend any school, unless you have a legitimate medical exemption.


Substantial_Ad9666

The flu shot is NOT required. Chicken pox is, unless you can provide proof of natural immunity. What a crazy idea that is.


Silverspeed85

You are correct that flu shot is not. I retract that one. The fact remains for the others, however.


Substantial_Ad9666

What do you think of not requiring vaccines when you can prove natural immunity?


-Puddleslime-

Who threatened you?


Difficult_Advice_720

Um, the ones saying they want to keep us from being able to buy food or travel.... So, um.... 1+1=stay and die....


wtwwc

You need other vaccinations to travel sometimes. And what's this about buying food?


Substantial_Ad9666

Not between states in the U.S.


Difficult_Advice_720

No, there are zero checkpoints for an American to get in their car and drive across the country. The interstate commerce clause is foundational, and doing this is going to trigger constitutional suits... Also, no vax checks to get on a plane and travel inside the country..... Or to ride a ferry between cities..... And yeah, there are people literally trying to make it so you won't even be able to buy food....


-Puddleslime-

Travel makes sense as if you get COVID they don’t want you to mass spread it through airports or ships, but buy food, you can still go to the store, or is that what you’re saying is that they aren’t letting you go to stores if you’re not vaccinated, haven’t watched the news in a while


The_Coods

It’s expected that more and more businesses will be made to require vaccine passports in order to continue doing business. This is already happening at certain city events local to me. SLO county CA passed a county ordinance making sure no persons would be required to have a vaccine in order to travel, conduct business, etc- but there are still places requiring proof of vaccination or negative testing within 72 hours previous to entry. Things are going to continue getting.. interesting for the unvaccinated I assume


MoonMaster33

So we just site at home and play videogames like normal i guess


-Puddleslime-

Well travel makes sense for multiple reasons and I guess businesses requiring travel also are affected by it


Difficult_Advice_720

Yes, there are people literally saying you shouldn't even be allowed to buy food if unvaxxed. Also, realize the travel bans aren't just about planes and ships, Canada had roadside checkpoints and wouldn't let people leave. Echoes of the Berlin wall come to mind.....


-Puddleslime-

I wouldnt compare it to the Berlin Wall but if you don’t want to get vaccinated that’s okay it your choice


Difficult_Advice_720

You do realize the Berlin wall was built to prevent people from leaving if they didn't like the rules inside?


-Puddleslime-

That and to prevent acts of “treason”


Difficult_Advice_720

Like the treasonous act of leaving.....


-Puddleslime-

And defecting to an enemy controlled area


higmy6

Bruh people traveling with covid are the reason we’re in this mess to begin with


Difficult_Advice_720

Remember when orangeman-bad imposed the travel ban at the beginning of all this any everyone said he was racist?... Congrats, you now share a position with orangeman-bad....


Substantial_Ad9666

Oof guess we should lock down the Mexico border then 🤭


AnotherRichard827379

This one will trigger people. It’s facts tho.


[deleted]

Nobody is saying you can't buy food if you don't get the shot. You just have to pick it up or order it instead of walking into the store and infecting people. Also, many countries, such as countries in Africa, require proof of vaccination before you can travel. It isn't a new thing.


Difficult_Advice_720

Me walking into the store isn't going to infect anyone. I have laboratory proven Tcell immunity, which means, according to CDC, I am perfectly capable of destroying that whole family of viruses, unlike vaxxd people who are only shown to have reduced symptoms from one specific variant (all the vaccines are for the alpha variant btw, and as we are seeing, aren't doing much against delta, which doesn't have the mechanism the vax was targeting). Literally, my blood is the cure.... (I'm also O+, so, red cross loves me right now...) Africa also isn't the US, and I don't think you understand, I'm not talking about international air travel, I'm talking about domestic travel.... The US does not require these checks (reference measles outbreaks at Disney a while back, due to unvaxxed international travelers), so yeah, it would be a new thing.....


[deleted]

Being told you can’t go into a store because you’re unvaxxed isn’t a threat lmaoooo travel, employment and shopping are all private companies that can require whatever they please. No one is holding a gun to your head


[deleted]

Vaccines that have been used and tested for decades = vaccine that has been released 1 year ago and still hasn't been tested properly for long term side effects. Same shit. Right?


Obi_van_Knobi

vaccines don't have longtime effects, and 1 billion people are more then enough testing


IndianaGeoff

But it's a 10 year old technology....that hasn't been approved as a treatment for 9 years.


[deleted]

Vaccines don't have long term side effects. If you don't have any side effects within the first few weeks to the first few months, you're fine. If you understood how they work, you would know that.


bebejeebies

If you've ever knocked back a bottle of Mad Dog in a questionable party house while passing a raggedly joint between six strangers you just met there, you can probably handle what's in the vaccine.


Local-Bath

Hhahahhahahah


SuperRexT

im just watching the chaos in the comment section rapidly spreading because of this meme.


SerpentM52

Take the vaccine if you want. I'm not doing it.


Jamiedodgerer

Why aren't you? Not to be offensive just curious.


johngaltsghost117

No long term clinical trials. What does it do to new borns whose parents were vaccinated. Im not opposed to it. Just believe in trials. Since none were done ill just have to watch you all and decide in a year or two.


-Puddleslime-

Honestly that’s probably one of the only good points I’ve seen, and it wasn’t even from an anti-vax, and I agree with you it is good to wait and see the results


OpalRose1993

This! I'm not anti vax but people lump me in with them because I want to see the trials and long term effects before I get it. Thank you for understanding the difference!


-Puddleslime-

I try to understand all sides and stay impartial, I like to hear how people process things differently, and If anything you are right it’s better to hold out and wait to see what happens


OpalRose1993

You're a rare person! Mostly I just get attacked for expressing my opinion, even though I try to word it as you do you I'll do me. Thank you ever so much!


Obi_van_Knobi

there are no vaccine long term effects, they can rarely cause effects then have a lasting effect on you, but you will notice that in a few day to weeks after getting the shoot. so nothing to worry about there


johngaltsghost117

Time will tell. Till then mask up and social distance.


-Puddleslime-

Exactly, you have a nice day.


[deleted]

People keep saying there were no clinical trails when that’s not true at all, why do people keep saying this? https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine


johngaltsghost117

You dont know what the words long term mean?


[deleted]

In case you weren’t aware society didn’t exactly have 30 years to sit on clinical trails, not to mention they largely don’t need it given it’s just a modification of existing covid vaccinations. Gotta love how people are perfectly willing to gamble with the long term effects of a virus that’s designed to kill them but won’t trust something that ironically got FDA approval today, go figure. Still not enough though I bet, always some reason why people don’t have to take responsibility as if they don’t shovel bullshit into their body daily that they don’t know the contents of.


johngaltsghost117

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Apparently thats a drug that has no long term trials but whatever works for you.


Spymonkey13

Since you mentioned newborns, I wanna share something. A friend of mine whose sister is still in college. Her lecturer was pregnant, yup 'was'. Didn't managed to get vaccinated in time. Both mother and her unborn didn't make it. What's sad about this story is that she and her partner had been trying to get a child for eleven years. Eleven years...no words left. I felt sorry for her husband. If you're still undecided, that's fine. Not gonna force you anything. Just keep the mask on, clean your hands regularly and be safe.


Substantial_Ad9666

Pregnant and nursing women were discouraged by all healthcare professionals for a long time after the vaccine rolled out. Fertility is still a concern.


RkrSteve

Here's links to the thousands of clinical trials on the covid vaccine. If you are really going to wait 2 years, I hope you don't kill someone else by transmission, or die yourself. https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/covid_view


johngaltsghost117

Long term clinical trials. Do you not know medical history. There are so many times we came out with a new drug or vaccine that worked great for whatever it was designed to do in the short term but fuck up people in the long run.


[deleted]

there are long term trials, the vaccines are altered versions of the old sars vaccines and i dont want to spoil your expectations, but i dont think you will get pregnant, john


johngaltsghost117

So when we alter drugs we dont have to do new trials?


Robotgorilla-man

They did do new trials


johngaltsghost117

Allergy pills go through on avg 3 to 5 years of trials. And this isnt mrna altering. So a altered sars vaccine that we want to give the entire population and have no idea what it does to the species on a whole over generations. What could go wrong.


Obi_van_Knobi

educate yourself on how mRNA vaccines work, they took the virus RNA for the spike protein and it can be used to make you immune. there is no gen modification. the RNA only ever is in your cell, never in the cell core where your DNA is (also it's RNA and DNA wich are not compatible). ​ There is a 0% chance for effects on the human Genom, it's virtually impossible. ​ you are just spreading a stupid conspiracy theory. ​ mRNA tech could be used to produce save vaccines MUCH faster, maybe in the future only in a few weeks. ​ mRNA is just faster lol. also by now a literal billion people where vaccinated and are fine.


[deleted]

they did do new trails + the trails had the same phases as other vaccines, but a way faster bureaucracy


johngaltsghost117

That whole point is time in these trials not bureaucracy.


[deleted]

please inform yourself and if its the video of john oliver, your fear can be helped if you want a better source look at the fda corona site


johngaltsghost117

You dont just get to speed up scientific research cause you want it bad. Time is a factor in these things and seeing what happens over said time.


[deleted]

they did not speed up the scientific part...


johngaltsghost117

So what happens to a human body two years after vaccination. And what happens to the offspring of vaccinated people. Oh wait that cant be answered yet because ya know TIME


[deleted]

for christ sake, please inform yourself i dont want to write it all down, there are enough sources accessible


Obi_van_Knobi

THAT'S NOT HOW VACCINES WORK ​ they just cause an immune response so you get an immunity. Long Term study where no to "look what happens after two years", they where so slow because there was less personal and money for it, so they worked slower. If anything long term they looked at how long immunity lasts. all of the stuff that was in the vaccines is out of your body within a few weeks. get some basic education over how vaccines work tf


Difficult_Advice_720

Oh, cool, good to know, thank you. Where is the 5 year safety data available?


Obi_van_Knobi

we made more data in a year by vaccinating many many hundreds of million of people, wich would take 5 or 10 years.


johngaltsghost117

You obv dont understand what long term clinical trials are. So good day.


[deleted]

you dont understand the procedure


Difficult_Advice_720

Maybe you don't know who John Galt is.....


Obi_van_Knobi

just look at how many people where vaccinated already, and 99.9+% where fine. also pregnant women never get vaccinated during pregnancy anyways, it can kinda be dangerous. we have collected more then enough data from factual clinical trials


[deleted]

You're never going to take the COVID vaccine then because COVID will mutate into a vaccine resistant strain before there is enough time for them to do a 5-10 year trial on it. The current vaccine is already almost obsolete because of the delta and lambda variants. Vaccines dont have long term side effects. If you don't have any serious problems shortly after getting it, you aren't going to have any further down the line.


SerpentM52

I don't want to risk getting permanently crippled (like many people who took the vaccine did), when I already had COVID and I know it's harmless. It's literally a mild flu. I'm not old, so even if I get it again, nothing bad is going to happen to me.


PurplePandit

Permanently crippled by the vaccine???!? Omfg you sound like everyday of your life is a challenge. There have been thousands of people with long lasting respiratory damage post Covid recovery! Like holy fuck I cannot even anymore with you morons.


xxrambo45xx

That's what a broad spectrum of my co workers think too, that the vaccine will give them anything from allergies to diabetes to certain death... It's crazy


PurplePandit

Yet they’ll take insulin without regard for what’s in it because a doctor they don’t actually trust told them it’s the only thing going to keep them alive. Fuck we are so screwed.


SerpentM52

Take the vaccine if you think it's good for you.


PurplePandit

Yeah but half the effectiveness of vaccination is literally heard immunity. All these fucking people saying “we’re gonna have to get boosters and multiple shots” don’t fucking realize it’s because they refuse to get vaccinated and go mouth breathing everywhere and allowing the virus to mutate and create variants causing a massive feedback loop of agony and misery that they themselves create for everyone else.


Difficult_Advice_720

I guess you are getting downvoted from people that don't know the official science shows the natural immunity that you earned the old fashioned way is proven to be more effective against a wider range of coronaviruses than any of the vaccines, cause that's how it works.....


[deleted]

Literally nobody has been "permanently crippled by the vaccine." The only cases that there have been of people developing severe symptoms to the vaccine have been in extremely rare cases where their side effects couldn't be affirmatively linked to the vaccine or undiagnosed COVID.


Obi_van_Knobi

you are confusing the vaccine and the illness, for you it was a mild flu. for my mother it means never again being able to work her job from before and millions died. maybe a few hundred had heavy side reactions from the vaccine


Jamsya_

Take it bruh


Robotgorilla-man

You are stupid


SerpentM52

Love you too!


m1ntymadness

THE MEME WAS TRUE


Substantial_Ad9666

Stand strong. Bodily autonomy is important ✊


[deleted]

What's more important, my bodily autonomy to not get infected by someone who doesn't want to get the shot, or your bodily autonomy to not get the shot?


Substantial_Ad9666

By a virus with over a 99% survival rate? I’m not liable for your health should you contract the virus. Members of society has never been liable for deaths to communicable disease. I contracted the virus. And I’m not mad at who I got it from. You will not pressure me into an injection I don’t need nor want.


[deleted]

You're the reason we got a delta variant and the reason shit isn't going to go back to normal.


Brilliant-Top-56

I took it. If I die, I die.


VexRuby

My argument is, flu shot is not required, so the covid shot shouldn’t be required, let people make their own choices


itsa_me_Fahim

Then why take insulin shots, just shut up and take vaccine or die from diabetes


Holy_Knight8

Im not getting it purely to fight the tyrannical systems being imposed on people


Silverspeed85

I assume you don't have any immunizations, then. Since, they are required to attend school. Though, from the level of intelligence deducted from your comment, I suppose that's not too far off base.


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Cultural_Park

Using emojis is against the law


Avid_person

Not to mention hep B, TB, whooping cough, hpv, etc... Your dogs need vaccines too... are those fake?


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ifoundit1

and thats why they usually get kinectics and legos instead of micromachines.


asapmellow

cool!


LaughingxpainXD

*slowly puts on a tin foil hat*


eggshrekk

Wheres heroin


HuneeBajer

Probably cus hes overdosing


Starlight7213

This whole discussion shouldn't be a discussion tbh.. If you don't wanna be vaccinated, that's cool, don't get vacxinated If you wanna get vaccinated, that's cool, get vaccinated Not being mad at anyone here, I'm just sick of people arguing abt it


Nightwolfj2

♫ One of these things is not like the others ♫


Blue-Jay42

He should be cringing during the tetanus shot. Those hurt.