Maryland to lift COVID state of emergency July 1, end mask order, as statewide case numbers decline
By - legislative_stooge
This is the thread.
Not a troll question, genuinely asking: wasn’t the mask mandate lifted a few weeks ago? Walmart and other stores have made masks optional. Or was that just due to people being fully vaccinated?
>Not a troll question, genuinely asking: wasn’t the mask mandate lifted a few weeks ago?
The state had mostly lifted but per the article:
>Gov. Larry Hogan announced Tuesday the planned lifting of most statewide restrictions and orders related to the pandemic in just over two weeks. The state’s mask order — which requires face coverings indoors at schools, day care centers, medical settings and on mass transit — will expire the same day.
So those were the last few places where the state mandated masks.
My doctor and dental offices last week were still restricted on people in the building and kept masks on so that's definitely a chunk being targeted with these restrictions being lifted.
Private companies/offices could still choose to require masks and restrict capacity though
Oh agreed, my dentist seemed very ready to be out of the masks and basic operating room gear they were in specifically.
I've been to some places that haven't required basically but still strongly encourage them which is fine. I still don't go out and about a ton but when I do I carry a mask with me to be ready.
I think that was mostly about schools and public transportation.
I believe most schools are also closed for summer vacation at this point.
Not for us! Schools that offer special education programs have a July summer session. I’m wondering if my school will be mask free soon
Plenty of summer camps though will be open and full of unvaccinated children.
Nope my autistic daughter has summer school all July.
Walmart wants people to wear masks if they aren't vaccinated, but they have no way of knowing, so they just say it's optional and hope people wear them if they aren't vaccinated. At least that's my guess.
I’m fully vaccinated and still wear a mask because of untrustworthy people—yeah whatever I said it—who are lying about being vaccinated and go without a mask. I will say the last time I was at a wal-mart 99% of people were still masked up.
Hope you’re wearing an N-95 mask if you’re that concerned then because the little cloth masks most people wear don’t provide any real protection. You’re vaccinated and protected. Time to relax.
Unless you’re my doctor, you don’t get to tell me “ Time to relax.”
This flippant attitude is exactly why I choose to remain masked up.
Is it an N-95 you’re wearing? If it’s not then it’s pretty pointless.
Sure. I’ll take your vast medical knowledge under consideration, and will no longer reply to you.
But the mask doesn't protect you, we've known this since the beginning. I trust the vaccine to protect me, I don't care if other people aren't following the rules anymore. Me wearing a mask is just prolonging the fear and discomfort for longer than is necessary.
If I couldn't get the vaccine for some reason, then based on this I might want to wear a KN-95 mask to protect myself, since I can't trust others. But with the vaccine, that's just entirely unnecessary and anti-science honestly.
Schools most likly, now they are over so mandates can be lifted.
Over on Friday for Annie Rundle
AA still has summer school starting in July so it makes sense.
God lord the comments in this post... You sure we didn't get a rage virus alongside COVID?
~~70~~ 90 comments and only ~~2~~ 3 are visible rofl
Edit.) as a LoS and CT fan; I’m currently taking bets on when this sub gets quarantined for doing nothing while people dox the department of health.
Haha that one comment really sparked a flame war didn't it.
Yup. No one could have predicted or prevented it either.
Wow! This thread is way more intense than I expected.
Official account turning troll is funny af
It’s funny, but it’s also wildly unprofessional and childish. Trash responses don’t help the city shake the trash city reputation it has outside of its reaidents.
I just stumbled in here and will stumble back out immediately, but just want to say that whether or not that health dept. official below is authentic or not, or posting appropriately or not, I sympathize entirely. Hogan was directly asked if local jurisdictions have leeway on lifting the mandate in their own locale, and he sort of wobbled and said he didn't know, then said it would "take some heavy lifting" to enforce and then said that yeah, local jurisdictions could still do as they pleased. So he waffled but that's his stance, per the Sun. As for the rationale, we've got Delta rolling down the pike (and WHO predicting a big upsurge among the unvaccinated this summer or fall), we've got burgeoning new cases and new deaths in states that are unmasked and under-vaccinated, and we've got Baltimore, which is well behind most of the state in vaccinations and vax-related progress. Which encouraging progress is no thanks to the anti-mask anti-vax crowd. It's the health dept's thankless job to protect public health. To save lives and keep this thing from putting us back at square 1 again. If I had to spend my days dealing with the those infantile idiots I'd lose it some, too. It's a pain wearing a mask when you're vaccinated, but you can't be sorting irresponsible idiots from sensible citizens person by person out there. It's actually probably not going to be enforceable, stupid wins a lot these days, but maintaining the mandate until vaccinations are higher is a moderate and sensible plan. Don't bother to troll me, I don't bother with that stuff.
Wow, the official Baltimore City Health Dept. Reddit account is a petulant troll.
What an awful look for Baltimore, but not the least bit surprising.
wait what? that's an official account posting so much bullshit? It reads like a fucking arm chair warrior thinking they're some kind of badass while literally everyone else knows they're a moron.
Do you know how much city officials get paid? Not much. Now take that amount and lower it even more for the pay of some probably teenage intern who's running their reddit account.
Terrible look but not surprising at all, another reason nobody should actually listen to it.
Sad part is I, and I think most people, liked what they were doing earlier on.
The problem is that the social media person is now stuck between a rock and a hard place, trying to defend an indefensible policy.
If they want to keep their job they should stick to posting updates on things like mobile vax sites, new data, etc, and stop engaging with people who are pointing out how stupid the 65% policy is
I was with you until they just responded to someone they get “paid in anti vaxxer tears”. Ya know, the same unvaxxed population they should be engaging with positively, instead of insulting.
I think this person is just young and devoid of professional social media engagement training. Or maybe drunk.
>I was with you until they just responded to someone they get “paid in anti vaxxer tears”.
And now they've deleted that comment. Sad!
Someone should probably consider alerting the health department that their intern or whoever is in charge of social media is having a meltdown. It’s totally inappropriate and embarrassing for a government entity to communicate with people this way, particularly on a public forum....
Atleast that form doesn't publicly share the respondents identifying information like the UBI survey last week.
It's reddit, no way is it legit... it just cant be can it?
>It's reddit, no way is it legit... it just cant be can it?
It is legit. They link to it from their official Facebook page....
I think the Baltimore subreddit mods verified them also
It’s definitely an official account, based on their activity in /r/Baltimore.
To be fair, Gov. Hogan has lost it on Facebook at least once.
Hogie can get stuffed for all i care. Guy admits to voting for a dead pneumonia sufferer and thinks people should be proud of him for it.
> pneumonia sufferer
What a weird insult.
Yes, fuck him too. Just saying that's not the first governmental social media meltdown, nor the last.
Oh yeah, that last "president" as well was the quintessential asshole on Twitter.
Yea, someone needs to lose their internet privilege over at the Baltimore Health Department.
You need to stop.
You are public health professionals managing the delivery of rapidly changing information that literally impacts whether or not people in your city will die or watch their loved ones die. You are not a 14 year old shitposting on 4chan.
I don’t care if you are an intern barely paid to put up with this crap or an MPH from Hopkins, you behave like a goddamned adult when you are dealing with the health and safety of the citizens you serve.
This is a horribly toxic attitude and an extremely unprofessional way to represent any organization. I really can’t believe what I’m reading. I am vaccinated and fully support mask wearing, even for myself, because I live with someone that cannot be vaccinated. I have been seeking out some solid research about what I should be doing to protect the person I live with but am finding conflicting information. The responses to legitimate questions here are keeping me, and I’m sure others, from seeking any further information and that is dangerous on multiple levels.
You should submit a complaint to the health department
Don’t know if it’s worth the effort. They are the ones that hired this fuckin joker.
What information at you looking for?
This comment makes no sense, everyone on here complaining about the mask mandate and how you run a Reddit account has been vaccinated…..
Just so everyone knows. This comment was originally “we get paid in anti vaxxer tears”
This is supposed to be the official reddit account of the Baltimore city health department
Just wear ya mask and stop complaining.
Money must be running out then, too bad
Are those the same anti-vaxxers they’re tasked with convincing to get vaccinated, you think? Jesus take the wheel.
give the smallest bit of authority to worthless bureaucrats and this is what you get.
Technically SoE will end on August 15th since that's when it expires.
About time! All good news!
sooooo that was something.
Wish DC would do what MD is doing… Bowser sucks.
I wish DC would either a.) Be able to establish itself as an independent state with official recognition as our country’s 51st state by EXECUTIVE ORDER so regardless of Congressional opposition, DC and its residents are given the opportunity to participate as a STATE in the 2022 midterm elections; or b.) If not a state, DC should be able to establish itself as being under the jurisdiction of the State of Maryland and give the same reciprocated rights at the State level to both DC and MD residents. DC politicians aside, most people that commute across DC state lines every day for work are going between DC and MD. As for the politicians and/or Virginians who argue against the viability of either option, when the Capitol Police called for help while the January 6th insurrection happened — the first help sent to the Capitol was the Maryland National Guard on the direct orders of Maryland’s Governor Larry Hogan. Later that same evening, after the events at the Capitol wound down, several trucks full of Capitol insurrectionists made their way to Annapolis in an attempt to attack the Governor’s Mansion in retaliation for his ‘defying Trump’s orders’ by being the first to send in help.
an executive order would be a terribly temporary solution. what happens when the next president undos it?
Until we reach 65%
I think the number of daily new cases is a better measure. Nationally, the daily new cases hovers between 12,000 and 14,000 for the past week or so. It's low enough and the vaccination rate is high enough I feel fine with going maskless.
Even if there are zero daily deaths and new cases?
It's not about either of those things at this point, clearly.
Not after August 15th, because once the state of emergency ends so does your authority to impose a mandate.
someone needs to take the keyboard away from you
This is sad. You’re not commenting from your personal account. You have made this account as the official account of the Baltimore health department. Therefore everything you say from this account is representing the city of Baltimore and its health department.
Since you apparently need to be talked to like a child:
I’m not mad. I’m disappointed
Interesting that this is your immediate inclination.
And what’s that supposed to mean? This is all piling on top of this past week to show how incompetent the entire city government and its employees are. I want the city to be better. But it’s becoming more and more clear every day that this city is unsalvageable with anyone even remotely related to the current government. From the elected officials, to appointed positions, to the employees, to (god I hope) the unpaid interns like yourself
Is there any research to back that? If vaccines don’t protect you from the virus what’s the point of getting them?
A significant portion of Baltimore City is not vaccinated yet. As we do not have a way to determine who is and who is not vaccinated in a business, we are maintaining the mask mandate until 65% of adults have gotten their first shot. [This is in line with how the state chose to remove its mask mandate.](https://twitter.com/Reporterroblang/status/1392947558645915650?s=09)
I'm surprised people are finding this so controversial, it seems perfectly reasonable to me. Yes, Baltimore numbers are much lower than the rest of the state as there are more people living there who are disadvantaged, still distrustful, and may not have proper access/transportation issues.
>I'm surprised people are finding this so controversial, it seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Because the CDC has said vaccinated people can go back to normal, no masks and no social distancing. They did not attach any vaccination rate to lifting the mandate.
So the same "follow the science" people are now saying "wait, no, not like that"
The city is at a rolling 7 day average of 15 new cases and 1 death per day....the mask mandate is absurd at this point.
Not sure why this always needs to be said, but a bureaucratic body made up of scientists is not equivalent to "the science". The CDC makes recommendations for national policy. There can be local factors that influence whether national policy makes sense locally.
So where's the 65% number coming from?
Lol these comments are a bit whiny. I don't like masks either, but I understand that this is an effort to protect people in the best way possible. And I'm sure there are many businesses, not just in Baltimore, that are going to keep requiring masks until vaccines are 100% approved for all ages.
The reasonable complaint is that the 65% number is based on nothing. I'm sure many of the people complaining wouldn't be if the metrics were attached to case rates, % pos, or something else that actually makes sense
Edit: it also seems apparent to everyone following the numbers that Baltimore isn't hitting 65% anytime in the next few months, if ever
It's not *totally* arbitrary. It seems to be the low end guess for herd immunity. Problem is that nobody really knows what that number is. Even so, picking this as a metric could be a way that they are hoping to boost the vaccination rate, which is overall a good thing.
Not totally(but it's worth mentioning it's just 65% of the adult pop so herd immunity arguments are kinda hard to make), and incentivizing vaccinations was definitely the intent, and a worthy one. It just seems like it hasn't done that to an extent where 65% is realistic so we're kind of in a limbo now where it's obvious that isn't going to happen and all other metrics are tanking so people are frustrated.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the health dept/Scott have some internal triggers for lifting the mandate that they aren't sharing to keep the incentive going. I'm expecting it to be lifted in the next few weeks but we'll see.
Nobody likes masks. They're frustrating and annoying. But if it will keep more people safer, we'll keep them a while longer.
What a loser
Nope, State lifted theirs as soon as CDC said it was safe to do so. It was in line with no vaccine rate whatsoever. That 65% was placed by you not by Hogan not by the state not by the CDC. You all just do not have any idea of how to run anything, and you don't want to be seen as doing what Hogan says, so you keep up with indefensible crappy policies because the alternative is you aren't seen as All knowing and all powerful.
Looks like you live in Baltimore County. If you come to a business in the city, you'll be wearing a mask until we hit 65%.
Answer the question pose to you, the state lifted theirs following CDC guidance not a vaccine metric, why does Baltimore City insist on following a vaccine metric and citing the states lifting of the mask mandate at 65%. Answer that question
The state didn't follow CDC guidance. Read the CDC guidance.
I never said they did. Following CDC guidance is not the same as following CDC guidance. Following meaning after CDC came out with new guidance, Hogan lifted state guidelines.
Not my business, I work in Baltimore City and we lifted the mask mandate in our company. I'm just tired of following it when we go to a bowling alley or go to a restaurant or go to a bank. It makes no sense whatsoever when directly probably a minutes walk up the street I don't have to follow it but then when I come when I walk one minute down the street that I have to follow some stupid ass rule that's made up by some stupid ass politician that doesn't really understand anything going on. You guys don't understand anything you haven't answered the question of why do you keep insisting 65% when Hogan lifted following the CDC guidance not the vaccine metric. And if you're going to talk to people maybe you shouldn't talk unprofessionally and trolling and like a 13-year-old brat maybe you should talk like a professional company for once. Maybe then you wouldn't have people like my company that just say f*** you people because you don't care about anybody but yourselves and it shows.
Lol u werent followin it anyways. U called covid-19 a hoax and said masks dont work months ago
First off I never called it a hoax, I said the response was overblown and I plan on holding that belief until the day I die. We're only now starting to see the problems overall by the actions of those decisions, like supply shortages and the fast rising inflation. Those consequences are only helping to further my belief that the response to the virus were overblown. I still had to follow it to an extent in many places, regardless of my opinions, but would not follow it in a place that could care less. Our business decided that recently, it was no longer worth following the leadership of Baltimore City. Our management does not understand the reasoning behind any actions of Balto. City leadership & health dept. Showing them these threads, and the numbers of vaccines to 65% in the city, led them to decide to opt out of following city guidelines. We only have to follow them now in dealing with front facing customers. Our company has been keeping a list of fully vaxxed employees, which we are proud to say that only 3 employees refused the vaccine. Two for religious reasons, 1 for reasons unknown or unable to be told for ADA compliance reasons.
As far as I go, I got my vaccine once UMMS called and said they had vaccines available near me in St. Joseph's. Most of our employees are Trump supporting republicans, or right now, republicans in general. It was never a 2nd thought for any of us to get the vaccine. Most were just not going all over the state to get a vaccine.
Rofl, ur whole history is you sayin that covid isnt dangerous u cant lie about it when its public info ya dunce
Still waiting on an answer waiting on the question posed to you by me and a lot of other people? You're quick to reply with snark but not quick to reply with an answer.
A steel company, I'm not giving you the exact company name. That would be rather stupid that would be like doing drugs and saying hey cops I'm doing drugs arrest me. You don't need to know it doesn't serve any benefit to you answer the question that was provided to you. Everyone has asked of you and you just give snark and don't provide an answer to that question. Governor Hogan lifted the mask mandate in the state of Maryland when the CDC stated it was safe for them to do so altogether, when pushed Baltimore City keeps saying Hogan lifted it at 65 therefore we're lifting ours at 65, the CDC lifted the mask mandate Hogan followed the CDC guidance not a vaccine metric. Why does Baltimore City keep insisting on following a vaccine metric instead of following Larry Hogan? It leads to more patchwork decisions by government.
Oh alternative! We take our business outside the city...
So why not line up with how the state is behaving now? You just decided to cherry pick the 65% stat and roll with that?
The city gets to choose its own rules to keep its citizens safest. That's literally written in the article above.
I understand that, but at the end of the day *it is* Baltimore City making this choice then? The Health Department has been quick to deflect frustration regarding the 65% goal by saying that they're going based off of what the state has suggested. While at the time this may have been true, the state has since changed their tune. I think that is what bothers me the most about all of this is that Baltimore City is not owning up to the restrictions that *they* are setting. You're haven't been following current state guidelines for a while now (and that's okay).
We are making decisions in order to keep our citizens the safest.
Correct. These are decisions that the city is making as it doesn't fall in line with what the state is suggesting.
That’s great, but it’s missing one really important thing. It doesn’t answer my question. What data is there that fully vaccinated adults should continue to wear masks?
We do not have a way to determine who is and who is not vaccinated in a business.
The CDC said it's ok for vaccinated people to be mask-free and not social distance inside.
Try it in Baltimore and see what happens.
I saw a few people mask free at the Harris Teeter in Canton the other day.
Security guard didn't do anything, employees didn't give a shit, and customers didn't heckle them.
Why, what's supposed to happen? Is there some sort of criminal penalty in place? Is the health department gonna take me to the gulags?
I've learned you just gotta be the one to take the mask off and others will feel more comfortable doing the same. Covid cultists have been brainwashing people for so long that they are a bad person for nor wearing a mask people still feel a social anxiety by NOT wearing one even when it's completely ok.
Jesus Christ, the authoritarian attitude that some public health officials are taking are the exact reason people are not complying. "Try it in Baltimore and see what happens" is not a good slogan. it's actually very threatening.
If you feel threatened, we suggest some deep breathing exercises.
The hospitals overrun yet?
Reddit sure is.
Challenge accepted! You gonna sic the cops on me?
Ok, but you’re still not answering the question. What data is there that supports the claim that vaccinated people should wear masks? I understand from an enforcement perspective, but there’s ways around that (like the card that everyone gets when they get their shot or Biden’s vax passports)
We do not have a card system. Ergo, the mask mandate.
The vaccine clinics across the state gave out vaccine cards. And you’re still not answering the question from a scientific point of view: what data is there that vaccinated people need to wear a mask?
Are you deliberately obtuse? It's an enforcement issue! That's it. Nobody is going to check CDC cards at every 7-11 or Walmart. I see where the city is coming from. Masks are an absurdly minor inconvenience, so just stick with it a bit.
That’s what I’m getting at. This is a decision based on what’s most convenient for the government, and has zero basis in science. It’s the government saying even though you’re not a risk to others, we’re incapable of confirming that so we’re going to act like you are a risk to others
Yes, and? Considering the massive number of whiney babies who have been throwing a fit over wearing fabric on their face at the store to avoid killing others, this totally makes sense. If we could trust that unvac people would wear a mask? This wouldn't be necessary!
and you still won't after the 65% number is reached, if ever. your comment like your policy is nonsensical
Not with that attitude.
you're the perfect representation for Baltimore.
It’s not a person it’s a government agency
It’s a decision that impacts me, seeing as it’s not a private citizen making a decision for themselves but a public entity making a decision for the rest of us
You and everyone else in Baltimore. Like I said before, they’re not gonna lift their policy just because you think they should.
>It’s their decision. Who are you to question it over and over?
A citizen of the city that pays property taxes and is allowed to disagree with city policy?
Thought you were moving out.
Working on it, but for the time being I'm still a city resident and tax payer
See you at the next town hall.
Governments are supposed to listen to their constituents
I listen to the petulant whining of my kids too, but when they make no sense I don't do what they want
Stop lying to people. 65% happened to be the number the state was at when the CDC updated their guidance. 65% was never any predetermined threshold and you are using as that coincidence to push bad policy.
We provided you a direct quote. Your ignoring it is just willful at this point.
That quote doesn’t mention 65% one time. This was May 13th 2021, immediately after guidance updated. The very next day Hogan lifted the mandate because of this updated guidance not because of 65%. You’re again lying to people.
Another thoughtful, and appropriate response from the social media team of the city health department! You still have not addressed the issue at hand. The 65% metric was merely a coincidence and the governor has already weighed in that he does not believe Baltimore’s mask mandate makes any sense.
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Kind of sad you made a Reddit account specifically to antagonize this guy, isn’t it?
He’s had dozens of accounts banned
They do protect you. They 100% prevent severe illness and death. The cases of breakthrough infections in vaccinated people are a few percent of people and they’re almost always asymptotic. The vaccines are not 100% efficacious but most are 90-95%.
Exactly. So why should I wear a mask if I’m fully vaccinated if the WHO and CDC have both stated that fully vaccinated adults are not concerns for spreading the virus?
ETA: the Pfizer vaccine real world data shows closer to 97% efficacy in adults and clinical data shows 100% for children 12-18
CDC says you don’t need to wear a mask but trial data shows that 5-20% of vaccinated people had breakthrough infections and some of those could be transmissible. I see why Baltimore went the way they did with requiring masking for vaccinated people but I agree with the CDC that giving people incentives to get vaccinated like not having to wear a mask anymore is more practically useful in getting more people vaccinated.
Not even offering incentives but offering a reason. If things aren’t going to go back to normal once I’m vaccinated then why bother?
And 5-20% varies based on which vaccine you get and your age range. With pfizer for adults over 18, real world data shows it closer to 2% whereas J&J is much higher, closer to 20% (actually higher I believe but that was before the recall)
> So why should I wear a mask if I’m fully vaccinated if the WHO and CDC have both stated that fully vaccinated adults are not concerns for spreading the virus?
Two guys walk into a bar. One is vaccinated, one isn't.
How do you know which one is?
It's not 100%, there have been people vaccinated who have been hospitalized and even died. A vaccine is only as effective as the person's immune system, after all. If their immune system is not working properly, the vaccine won't work either.
But for the overwhelming majority of us, there's nothing to worry about.
I’m referring to trial data from Moderna, Pfizer , and Novavax that had no cases of death or severe illness.
Yes, but that data is old and no longer accurate.
[Per CDC data](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7021e3-H.pdf), through April there were 10,262 breakthrough infections, 995 people were hospitalized for severe disease, and 160 died.
So no, the vaccine is not 100% effective at preventing severe disease or death, and we knew it never would be.
You really are awful at your job.
No, I’m just pissed the local health department decided they know more than the CDC and is deciding to ignore the science
This can't be a real account lmao
Pretty much tells you all you need to know about how the city is run unfortunately
Lmao is this actually the public face of Baltimore’s public health response? That’s just not professional.
Glad you’re working hard to convince the last 30% of Marylanders to get their vaccine instead of flame warring with some troll on Reddit. What a valuable use of your time and taxpayer dollars.
Yes I’m very mad you are ignoring state recommendations, and CDC guidance while failing to adequately address why so many people in the city don’t want to get vaccinated
Stay classy. Fucking amateurs.
Now you're really being bad at your job
I mean, I get it, you're the social media person, you aren't calling the shots on policy, but you are stuck defending an indefensible policy. And now, instead of being professional, you're resorting to name calling.
This response right here is a microcosm of how absolutely fucked our city government is. Thank you for this.
Between this social media account and this debacle: [https://www.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/nzrjen/mayor\_scott\_community\_leaders\_take\_first\_step\_to/h1r25wp?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/nzrjen/mayor_scott_community_leaders_take_first_step_to/h1r25wp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I've pretty much lost all faith in anyone who works for the city government.
I'm not mad, I'm disappointed.
I'm also saving for a house outside of the city, and will be selling my house as soon as I move out, to stop paying property taxes that fund incompetent government workers
Good for you.
It's not trolling to point out blatantly bad public policy
You really are a dedicated troll, arent you?
And then what? Gonna raise the threshold to 70%?
Oh no no no. This is no good
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