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What do you think is the smartest change the MCU has made from the comics?

What do you think is the smartest change the MCU has made from the comics?

Kdilla77

Making most of the infinity stones significant to the heroes’ stories before we meet Thanos, and not some random cosmic artifacts they have no stake in.


smilbandit

simply teasing a bad guy over multiple movies was great. it's what they need for dr doom. thanos and doom are too cool to be the throw away bad guy for a single movie.


Link7369_reddit

The Fantastic Four future billionth reboot is taking notes.


Philbregas

Aging Bucky up and making him and Steve roughly the same age. Adds so much more depth to their relationship imo.


ShitpostinRuS

God. It’s so weird how he was, like, 14 in the comics. Fucking wild


Philbregas

I think Brubaker retconned Bucky to 16 when he first met Cap, but even that's still not a good look haha.


tibetan-sand-fox

Brubaker is a genius for his invention of the Winter Soldier. People thought he was insane for resurrecting Bucky but in hindsight Bucky was a totally untapped resource. In the comics following Bucky's return his age is super unclear. Steve was frozen for a while, Bucky was alive and doing assassinations in between being frozen... What's the age gap now? From what I gather comic writers just kinda have a 🤷‍♂️ view on Bucky (or Cap's ages). Though for the most part the age gap is depicted as neglible. My favourite comics are the ones that interpret Steve and Bucky's relationship as a true equal friendship instead of a mentor/ward or hero/sidekick. A lot of comics have a tendency to depict Steve as this otherwordly father figure and Bucky idolizing him. This is reminiscent of what they used to be in the old comics but it's not really an interesting dynamic today. One of the best things the MCU did was even out the playing field between Steve and Bucky. They are roughly the same age, height and weight. They're equals and this makes their fights all the more exciting. Bucky was a real threat in Winter Soldier and Civil War because he is shown as capable of defeating Steve. Comic Bucky would never be able to defeat Steve in a fight. He doesn't have the serum, he's shorter and lighter. No matter the version of comic Bucky. I think the Steve and Bucky of the MCU are the ideal consequence of what Brubaker started. Bucky wasn't able to live up to Steve as Cap in the comics, but I think he very much could in the MCU if they ever get that far.


teutorix_aleria

I think Bucky was on ice 99% of the time he was in hydra custody. Likely he's only aged a handful of years. Cap was de iced in 2010/2011. The winter soldier takes place in 2014. So assuming Bucky aged 3/4 years over his time as the winter soldier he would still be essentially the same age as Steve. If he aged more than that he's still only slightly older than Steve. My personal estimate is that Bucky is somewhere between 0 and 5 years older than Steve before endgame. 10 years absolute max. Edit: just realized you are talking about the age of comic Bucky and Steve not MCU Bucky and Steve.


ShitpostinRuS

Not great! Especially when they show flashbacks and Bucky was the infiltration specialist and just slitting enemies throats as a teenage soldier


AndChewBubblegum

If the X-men taught me anything, it's that child soldiers are both cool and rad.


BubbleDncr

Changing Thor's origin to have him always be Thor and not have the Donald Blake storyline.


Sere1

Agreed. Same to the vast majority of the MCU for ditching the "secret identity' angle. Pretty sure Spidey is the only one who retained his, every other character just introduces themselves as themselves. It cut out the "how do I balance my hero life with my personal life" plot that damn near every superhero film before the MCU beat to death already. Having the characters just be themselves is a breath of fresh air.


SpiritMountain

I think it works out well for the world saving heroes vs. street level i.e. Avengers vs. Defenders. The street level heroes want more privacy whereas the big heroes are on the world stage.


eyalhs

Yeah, and it also makes sense in a sense that small scale superheroes have friends and family they want to protect (for example spider-man when green goblin discovers his identity and kills gwen), while big scale super heroes have those, but the villains aren't going to go for them, like thanos or Ultron aren't just going to go fuck with iron man's family, they don't need to.


SirDooble

Yeah, Thanos won't come and kill aunt may, because he has bigger goals. But she is still at risk because Thanos is looking to endanger everyone, same as Loki and Ultron. But the Kingpin? Oh, he'll definitely come for your aunt may, because he's all about revenge and setting an example. It's the only way he can challenge super powered people.


KarlBarx766

“The truth is… I am iron man” was such a great scene in an already great movie.


suugakusha

I think that scene is what really launched the MCU.


WhoryGilmore

I agree. Obviously that scene wouldn't have mattered if the rest of the movie wasn't already great, but I remember that scene caused a lot of buzz when Iron Man came out.


CuginoGionata

I remember watching that at the theater, and the entire audience gasped loudly at that scene. It was really a great moment. The scene is so refreshing because what it did was subverting the secret super hero trope which was basically standard at the time.


Brilliant-Attorney50

Such a well executed and timely moment. To subvert the secret identify trope which had been beaten to death up until Ironman, beautifully set up character development, with that music cue… I was blown away when I first saw it and it still resonates with me today. Just perfect.


talkingtunataco501

I watch Iron Man probably once or twice a year. That movie still holds up very, very well. It gets better with time because of what it launched after it. It nailed the superhero landing that launched the MCU.


BenAdaephonDelat

Plus it lets them play with the real-world implications of superheroes. Like the senate making you appear for a hearing to explain why you should be allowed to keep a superweapon.


Sauce_bru

That being the last line of the movie is such a plot twist because they bait you into thinking he wouldn't reveal himself. But then you realize he is Tony Stark, and he would probably do that.


CalculatedHat

If I remember correctly this was robert downey jr idea. Just made sense to the character for him.


Disposedofhero

And he was 100% right. Tony Stark couldn't not tell everyone at that stage of the character arc.


jhairehmyah

https://screenrant.com/robert-downey-jr-mcu-iron-man-improv-line-changed/ Robert Downy Jr improvised that line, and the producers loved it so much they kept it, setting the course for the MCU ditching the secret identity trope for all the movies.


__Epimetheus__

Iron Man’s production was an absolute mess with a vast majority of it being improve so I’m not surprised in the slightest. The only reason the movie worked is the actors’ ability to play off each other.


JormungandrSerp

Can someone explain this, I haven't read the comics


BubbleDncr

In the comics, Odin actually turned Thor into a human named Donald Blake who didn't know he was Thor, but whenever he picked up his hammer he turned into Thor. Eventually he found out he actually was Thor, but until then he was just Donald Blake when he wasn't superheroing.


Rexiel44

This in itself is actually part of a retcon, one of the earliest retcons. Donald Blake MD was originally a normal guy who got the power of Thor after finding the hammer. But then they decided to expand on Thor's history and background and that conflicted with the initial origin so eventually they were like yeah he was Thor the whole time he just didn't know it for awhile. The Donald Blake thing may be frowned upon now, but if you compare how they handled say the numerous early hulk "retcons" I think it's actually pretty clever writing. Relatively speaking. They contradicted themselves early, took their time and came up with a feasible explanation for the contradiction while building up Thor's back story and hyping up the explanation that readers were already begging for, and they came up with something that actually felt like it was their intention the whole time. Hulk on the other hand they had no idea what to do with and it showed, they changed the rules of his power set every other issue.


I_Like_Quiet

It was actually an idea given to them by a reader in late '63 early '64. Early on letters were questioning how Donald Blake had grown up without realizing he was Thor. They asked for readers to try and explain it. A no-prize was given to someone who suggested that Odin sent Thor to earth to grow up as Donald Blake to learn about earth and then Odin "helped" him find the walking stick that turned him in to Thor. Also, I'm so glad they did away with the whole if I don't have my hammer for 60 seconds, I turn back in to Donald Blake thing. At the time it was probably fun for readers, but reading them now, I find the almost monthly plot very tired.


Rexiel44

>It was actually an idea given to them by a reader in late '63 early '64. Early on letters were questioning how Donald Blake had grown up without realizing he was Thor. They asked for readers to try and explain it. Oof lol That makes a lot of sense. I love me some silver age marvel but it totally checks out that one of the better constructed retcons from the early silverage was a fan submission. The quality of writing was pretty inconsistent, some of the greatest/most popular comics of all time are from that era but so are Ironmans nipples being power outlets.


Random_Heero

There is a brief mention of Blake on a fake ID Thor has


Obskuro

Janes ex, right? I always hoped one of the other Hemsworths would show up as Blake in the movies as an easter egg.


EnzoMcFly_jr

Making Jarvis an AI. Streamlining the Vision origin and making the voice of paul bettany a calming presence from the start was very smart.


anthonyg1500

Was looking for this. Making Jarvis an AI was a great decision. Adds to the super science aesthetic and removes the Alfred comparison


LilSenate

But they also had the OG Jarvis is Endgame. Which was so so cool


fakenews1999

Same actor they used for Jarvis in Agent Carter too, that made me happy.


archiminos

Paul Bettany's journey through the MCU is really cool. Every time he thinks it's over for him he gets a call. "Hey, you wanna play Vision?", "Hey, you wanna do a TV series?"


manicpossumdreamgirl

i saw an interview with him where he said he was kinda bummed when they introduced vision, because before that he could record all his lines in a single day and then go home.


fsmlogic

Yes, I think part of it is the makeup too.


FullMetalCOS

It improved when they started using CGI to remove his ears instead of forcing him to wear the ear coverings. If you’ve not seen them, the pictures of vision with ears was WEIRD


Daniel-Dm79

…but at the same time keeping Jarvis’ character a real thing and showing him in Endgame. I genuinely was happy when they introduced the real human Jarvis


EnzoMcFly_jr

Absolutely


Ronem

Yeah that was a smart move to take the voice actor and just give him the job as vision. Smooth transition.


DRT034

Having the infinity stones damaging the person wielding them


Benjamin_Grimm

Wong. He's been a much more interesting character in the movies than the comics generally let him be.


Potaatolongster

Credit casting Benedict Wong as Wong. Legit one of my favorite actors, considering he mostly seems to play more supporting roles. Edit: alright, I'm adding Marco polo to my to watch list.


Benjamin_Grimm

Yeah, the casting in general in the MCU has been great, but that's one of the best examples, especially for elevating a previously relatively indistinct character.


Cheap_Cheap77

Woah never realized Dr Strange and Wong are both Benedicts


Blockinite

Not only that, but Benedict Wong plays Wong alongside Benedict


rigg197

this whole thing must be so funny internally


Square_Stomach

I had no idea Benedict Wong had a British accent IRL. His accent in the movies is so believable


Blockinite

When the British comedian Sean Lock died a few weeks ago, BBC put his comedy from the early 2000s into their Iplayer, which has Benedict Wong in it as a main character. If you look up "Errol from 15 Storeys High" it's insane how different he talks and acts. But that's his real accent.


lpjunior999

He was just cooking for the Avengers at one point, and that was after decades of calling Strange “master.” This is a great upgrade.


PotatoMastication

In the comics his only consistent trait is that he likes when good guys use magic properly...


FafnirEtherion

A minor one, but Vulture's character. In the comics he was a one-note bad guy, occasionally out for revenge or desperately looking for ways to be young again. The MCU changed it to something more nuanced, and a little detail I love : His gear is reversed-engeenered from what he steals. He scavenges, like an actual Vulture... Plus the costume looks awesome NGL


Odmewhirter

I think Michael Keaton helped with that a lot, the car talk scene was more terrifying than his Vulture scenes


friskyspatula

Really one of the best scenes in the franchise.


LastBaron

Good ollllle……Spider-Man


archiminos

That car ride is probably the most well executed scene in the MCU imo.


PayneTrain181999

The traffic light turning from red to green glowing in his face as he figures out Peter is Spidey is amazing


MosesKarada

Too true. With that scene, I was instantly a teenager again and Michael Keaton was threatening me. That's how good it was.


Maclimes

I too remember when I was a teenager and Michael Keaton used to threaten me. Dude’s got weird hobbies.


FafnirEtherion

I'm sure the best way he'd frighten a clingy boyfriend would be to just whisper to him "I'm Batman"


HopeAuq101

Funnt thing is is he kept saying "Im batman" to Tom Holland to frwak him out on set XD


ShadGasper

I remember when I was young, the anxiety I got from Willem Dafoe searching Peter's room and that drop of blood falling down from the ceiling. The car scene was like that x10.


Sere1

I love that in that scene he's ahead of the audience when it comes to figuring it out. In most films with a similar scene, the character notices something, we cut to what they notice, and we cut back to the character piecing it together before they figure out what the mystery is. With the Spider-Man 1 version however, we see Norman react to the blood drop, look up to where it came from, the camera pans up to him and back like you'd expect it to but when we pan back down he's already made the connection and figured out where Spider-Man had fled. This put Norman one step ahead of the audience instead of having us follow him putting it together, making him seem far more perceptive and dangerous than he already had felt.


BevsHeadonFire

This 100%. A very original and cool take on the character. One man’s trash and all that. That whole movie is so good


TheBigCosb

that costume is top tier


fascfoo

The sound design of the costume is as well. When you hear the engines rev and roar, you really get a sense of the power it generates and makes a lot of his abilities way more believable. Feels like Falcon's suit on steroids.


[deleted]

Only thing it's even close to is original Iron Man outfit. Nothing else has seems to have that actual weight to it which makes it much more intimidating


OK_Soda

One thing I hate about the nanosuit. I know it's always been all CGI even from the start, but for some reason Iron Man's nanosuit and Peter's new nanosuit feel like they're wearing holograms. The wings felt real.


cooperred

old iron man at least had a prop breast plate and stuff. Now it’s completely mocap


Illithid_Substances

I love the size of the wings since one of my common complaints of fictional human flight is having wings too small to be even slightly useful


FafnirEtherion

He's got like a whole-ass fighter jet engine strapped to his back. That's badass


NickMoore30

This is the first time I am making the connection between a vulture and his scavenging of parts... That is so awesome and I feel like an idiot.


Carthonn

Shit, I just got that the MCU Vulture scavenges for gear like a vulture. Thank you for that.


Chaff5

The Iron Man suitcase suit be the actual suitcase.


LJSmall731

When Cap says “hail Hydra”


Most-Transition-1920

This. Not only serves the story so much in Endgame, also jabs at the the controversial twist in the comic xD


forshard

I loved watching the Russo's talk about how that's sort of the clearest indicator of Captain America's character development over time. And then juxtapose it with literally fighting himself a scene later, knowing that he can't possibly convince the younger, punch-first, more zealous version of himself.


StraY_WolF

I like how Cap's value didnt change over time, but his outlook in life did.


BlackHoleKane

Work smarter not harder. He can do this all day, he just doesn’t want to.


RikuMusic

"I know, I know"


aarswft

Oh, without a doubt, everything in the Vulture redesign. From the use of alien tech, aging him down a smidge, to making him a scavenger. It's perfect. Side note: I love Peter's infatuation with Tony. I know "Iron Man Jr." is constantly a criticism that's levied against him, but it's so in character. A Peter that young, desperate for a father figure, taken under the wing of Tony Stark would absolutely be this way. I like seeing this side of Peter.


Trashk4n

Humanising Tony and turning down his arrogance a notch.


[deleted]

Which is great, because it's still there...so high up, but not too far to hate him. Just enough to be annoyed, while balancing it out with his sacrifices.


Griffdude13

They used his PTSD to make him arrogant in a different manner, which was great storytelling.


jarosh_karthik

Connecting Mysterio's powers with BARF which was introduced in civil war. That was very clever.


JaesopPop

I also liked how they added in laughter to how Mysterio remembered the presentation


rigg197

Such a subtle thing that probably not many noticed, yet so important.


UnderlordZ

All of Mysterio's crew being callbacks to previous movies, was brilliant!


youngbingbong

was anyone in his crew featured in a previous MCU movie aside from that guy in Iron Man 1 who worked for Stark Industries on the arc reactor?


The-Gaming-Onion

You mean the guy who isn’t Tony Stark.


Sere1

That and having his support team be background characters from previous films, especially the one who wasn't Tony Stark from Iron Man 1. It felt exactly like something the comics would do, bring back these bit roles and talk about how the experiences in those adventures made them evil.


PENNEALDENTE24

How the infinity war arc ended. I was super worried they were going to introduce Death, Galactus, Adam Warlock, all the other celestials/universe omega level beings, etc. in a rushed and incoherent manner and make every normal MCU fan out there confused as all hell. They kept it grounded and still had everyone emotionally invested by the conclusion of endgame. Even if they had to nerf some people to do it....


scizormytimbers

Still, there is that GOTG2 after-credits scene.


PENNEALDENTE24

Right. That was part of my worry. I'm glad that's just setting up for GoTG3 and beyond because all these new characters need proper intros and screen time. Hopefully some of the more important characters start showing up in the Disney + series because that would be the place where you can do them all justice.


Jacktheflash

Helicarriers design


Alt1119991

Yep. In some of the comics it looks straight up awful and ridiculous but in the mcu it looks so good and cool. I could honestly see it being a real thing.


Special-Awareness-86

Just about every costume choice.


TheTurtleShepard

It’s weird because I love comic book costumes as ridiculous as they can be . But I agree that in live action the flamboyant costumes would look really out of place. The ones we see in the movies feel much more grounded in reality


modsuperstar

This is where the X-Men series struggled from the get go. They were worried about not looking corny and maybe following the success of The Matrix and Blade instead of trying to be more true to the comic source material.


TheTurtleShepard

Yeah I think there is a nice middle ground between crazy looking comic costumes and super boring costumes and I feel like the MCU has done a good job of balancing the two where most of the costumes feel still like superhero costumes without being so out of nowhere they stick out like a sore thumb.


Peechez

But they also find ways to sneak homages in like Luke Cage's


toxinwolf

My favorite homage was Wanda and Vision's Halloween costumes in WandaVision


zapharus

That was brilliant! Tbh, I didn’t care at all about Wanda and Vision’s relationship in the movies, they didn’t build up to it properly but the WV show was so good at character development that I kept wishing Wanda had her own movie in between the many Avengers movies to make that scene at the end of Infinity War more impactful. Now when I watch the movies I’m moved but it’s only because of the WV show.


RokkitSquid

and in Loki with the old loki!


Papa_Shasta

I feel like at that point, old Loki in the old Loki costume was one of the least absurd things to even look at. Alligator Loki, please come back for season 2.


archiminos

I love how they're trying to push good explanations for all the costumes, and they often give us comic-accurate costumes briefly with in-world explanations (e.g. Cap's stage outfit and Wanda's Halloween costume).


AnActofGold

It’s not technically MCU, but in season one of Luke Cage they actually contrive a situation to put him in his OG costume, bracelets and tiara included. It’s only for like one scene but it’s both amazing and shows just how hilariously bad that costume would be in live action.


Oso_Furioso

I loved that bit in Luke Cage. I laughed out loud when I saw it, and my wife, who was never a comicbook reader, looked at me like I was insane.


Astrosimi

The way they interpreted Mysterio’s costume - both false and the MoCap Rig - was so fucking good. He‘s straight up one of my favorite adapted villains in the whole MCU.


Sere1

Mocap Mysterio is a stroke of absolute genius. His whole schtick is illusions, it makes perfect sense for him to have a motion capture suit as his villain suit.


TheGreyMage

Some writer or producer somewhere was jumping for joy when they thought of that. Such a clever twist.


MumblingGhost

Couldn't agree more. MCU Mysterio is seriously slept on. I loved every single creative decision they made for the character, even if villains jilted by Tony Stark are becoming passe. **Edit:** (or at least some people think so)


Astrosimi

I will say this - that the movies about Marvel’s most perpetually broke hero have villains that represent those left behind in the wake of the superich? Really dug it. It matches with Tony’s arc of being so obsessed with protecting the world that he didn’t really care who or what got stepped on. We’re even gonna get a little bit of that in No Way Home, with his Project Insight 2.0 nonsense landing Peter in hot water.


MumblingGhost

I absolutely agree. I do hope that Peter's villains end up ultimately revolving more around him and his decisions, but I dont mind the tie ins to other characters like Ironman because they resonate thematically, like you said. Plus the whole reason we wanted Spider-man in the MCU in the first place is so that he could form meaningful connections with the rest of the marvel universe.


_________FU_________

I think even more so it's given them the ability to work in comic accurate costumes as well. The Wandavision Halloween was a great way to introduce comic style costumes.


BrokenCog2020

Wandavision was a perfect example. Wanda's "Sokovian fortune teller" costume was accurate to the comics, but the final result was a real world accuracy. Looked great btw.


Nathan_McHallam

I feel like the goal with all the shows is to show off comic accurate costumes. Wanda getting her Scarlet Witch costume, Sam getting his White Suit, Classic Loki being classic Loki.. wonder if we'll get purple Hawkeye.


Acceptable-Stick-688

I bet we will see that costume in the in-universe “Hawkeye: The Musical”


paijew

Switching up the roster of the OG Avengers. If they'd stuck to the original 5 Avengers from the comics we wouldn't have got Captain America, Black Widow, or Hawkeye until much later in the MCU (if at all). ETA: A lot of people have been telling me that Cap was added to the OG Avengers roster (comics) pretty early on. I am aware of this, but for the sake of keeping my comment short and easy to understand (for those who know nothing about the topic) I was just referring to Comic OG 5 vs Movie OG 6.


Trashk4n

I think it was the Ultimates lineup, wasn’t it?


paijew

Yep I think so, after the shadow team got transferred to the ultimate Avengers we got Clint and Nat as part of the team. Idk when Hulk joined, I don't think he was an original ultimate.


totallynotapsycho42

Hulk was a villan in the ultimate universe. He was a legit cannibal rapist.


arrowflash01

He was a what? Comics are crazy


totallynotapsycho42

It really passed me off as well. Basically the ultimate universe started with spiderman and it was great modern take on the msrvel universe. In fact it was being so well received there was tall of replacing the the universe which has been going on sine the 40s in comics with the ultimate universe. And then they had to go all out and be so edgy which really tanked the ultimate universe. They also had the blob eat the wasp as well. Magneto may or may not have eaten humans as well and quicksilver and scarlet witch were being thr marvel version and Jamie and Cersei Lannister. All in all there was a lot of goood in that universe which the mcu has adopted such as costumes and the idea that Bruce Banner was trying to recreate the super soldier serum.


rattatatouille

Didn't the Ultimate Universe also introduce black Nick Fury in homage to Samuel L. Jackson?


Sere1

Yeah, they based Fury's new design off of Jackson. To his credit, when he learned about this, he made a deal with Marvel. They could continue to use his likeness for Fury, but he gets to play Fury the next time a movie uses that character. Next time Fury appeared in a movie? Iron Man 1, the birth of the MCU.


JamesTiberiusCrunk

They were literally just using Sam Jackson's likeness for Nick Fury. They even lampshaded it by having the characters talk about who would play them in a movie and Fury said Sam Jackson.


paijew

Jesus what? TIL! I know what rabbit hole I'm going to dive into later.


Funky0ne

Almost completely discarding secret identities. Other than Spider-Man (at least initially), and the literal secret agents operating with code names (who also generally got outed with the Shield leaks), almost everyone is basically known by their real names. They don’t bother with masks or trying to hide who they are, they just do what they do and are famous for it. Not that I have a problem with it in the comics, but it would be an unnecessary distraction in the movies. From the final line at the end of the first Iron Man (not including post credits), they set the tone that in the MCU, the characters are just going to be generally known to the public


lets-get-loud

It's also very hard to imagine realistically hiding that many heroes identities. Even Spidey is a stretch in many ways. I have trouble believing that no security cams have been used to at least narrow down the building where he lives.


Astrosimi

It reminds me of the episode of Batman TAS where he meets Superman. He figures out his identity by tracking flight patterns over Metropolis and finding their common origin. EDIT: mixed up my Batman cartoons, gang, please see the replies before adding another!


lets-get-loud

Yeah! Most of these guys are either incredible spies/detectives/sleuths/mercs/PIs themselves or have access to some of the most advanced spy tech in the world, or both. But who Captain America is, is a complete mystery somehow. ????? It makes for a fun story but it's a major plot hole. I'm all for suspending disbelief for the setting (e.g. if you say there's magic, honestly don't bother trying to explain how it works, I don't need that. I get it, there's magic. Got it. We're good, keep going with the story), but things that require smart characters to act stupid don't get blanket protected by suspending disbelief.


smcarre

TBF, most of the current rooster of the Avengers doesn't even have a public family in need of protection making secret identities kind of useless. Clint's family was already off the public so not much danger there. Peter has one but he was actually trying to hide his identity. The only ones that do seem pretty reckless in that sense are Scott and Sam who both have public and vulnerable families (even Sam's family was a target during FATWS). The Netflix shows did played a lot more into that subject, specially with Daredevil since he actually had a "family" in need of protection and was actually dealing with villains that would not even flinch about targeting innocent relatives to hurt their enemies.


FutureHook

Dodging the absolute minefield that was Shang-chi’s source material


PotatoMastication

Pym being introduced as retired Ant-Man. Folks forget but when Ant-Man came out we were still thinking of the MCU as a place where superheroics and mad science were somewhat *new*. But Hank was tossing tanks and taking down missiles in the 70s and 80s? Mind = blown, *plus* it means they can use more of Hank's character from the comics, since he's old now and most of it would be regrettable backstory. This is also why I was surprised that he had no involvement in Ultron, but that's not necessarily a smart change, just one convenient to the Infinity Saga arc.


youdontknowdan

Imagine a what if with a proto-avengers team of OG antman, OG wasp, Isiah etc. Would be awesome. Who else could be there? EDIT: king Tchaka black panther maybe too


Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson

Mar-Vell and the Ancient One.


CleverSpirit

It would be cool if they did a team up to save their timeline except that after saving it, no one would remember it happened.


HumanChicken

Maybe the Widow from “Agent Carter”?


No_Permanent_Address

I thought introducing Spidey after he got bitten and Uncle Ben's death was smart. For reasons I can't put into proper wording.


RMWL

Yep. Not every hero needs an into film. Especially one like spidey where Sony turned the intro into a running gag


Trashk4n

I love the fact that Into the Spiderverse repeats it so many times to such great effect.


NinjaMelon39

Alright, let's do this ONE LAST TIME


Karkava

"With great power comes great-" "DON'T YOU REPEAT THAT PHRASE!"


Dymarob

Yeah. The whole "What's up danger" scene was amazing. Having that scene end with Miles' comic on top of the pile was the frosting to the greatest cake in the world.


Manolo__Manolo

I mean if this was the first Spider-Man then we would need an origin story but given that we’ve already had two previous ones, we get the memo now with the Peter Parker origin so yeah I agree, I do hope we get to see more of a recognition of uncle Ben in the mcu, just so he’s not completely ignored because he’s a big part of Peter Parker’s story and character


Majestic-Marcus

Because we’ve seen the origin story so many times before. Few wanted to see it again


Rexan02

His story was done twice within the past 25 years 3x if you count spiderverse. We didn't need surgery l another 60 minutes of screen time to rehash it again.


Torterror389

Tony making Ultron and not Hank The guilt of everything that happened with Ultron started a downhill spiral of the avengers eventually splitting apart and causing Thanos to win


Gezeni

Actually this. I had not thought about it, but his creation of Ultron was 100% him still trying to fix the world in the ways he broke it. It backfiring so magnificently into Ultron, Sokovia, Civil War, and thanos is probably it.


DavramLocke

Killing off Iron Man. Hear me out - Killing off anyone would have been fine, anyone who has been around a while, but the thing that I find really frustrating about comics is their inability to do so. How many times has Cap been killed in the comics? It borders on ludicrous, and I get that these are franchise characters that they need to keep around to keep selling comics, but it gets to feeling pretty stupid after a while. Killing Tony was a big moment because it showed that it wasn't just the villains who could cease to exist in the MCU. It's a moment of vulnerability to the entire cast - they aren't infallible and can be killed (even if it might take the most powerful objects in the universe to do it).


burndtdan

I would expand that to: killing off characters, generally. In the sister thread, the worst changes, there is a complaint about how they kill off villains they could use again. But that is the main problem with the comics in my opinion, that the same characters stick around forever, even when it really doesn't make much sense. For example, I've seen people bemoaning that Flash Thompson will probably never become Agent Venom in the MCU. But to me, Flash Thompson being Agent Venom is ridiculous. The fact that Spider-Man is still interacting with a bully he went to high school with is silly. But in the comics, it seems like characters can't just fade out of the story naturally, or remain normal people who exist in the world. Flash Thompson should be a used car salesman in New Jersey, not someone still directly in the orbit of Spider-Man. Allowing characters to die (or just move on) makes the stories have weight. This obviously goes for major characters, but it also is true for minor characters. Sure, since the comics have kept this C-tier antagonist around for 50 years, he has done a lot of stuff and people would like to see some of those ideas play out on screen. But it also makes the world seem fake and stale that the same characters just keep coming back.


Sere1

Gave us a version of Civil War where we can actually agree with either side without feeling guilty. Comic Civil War had Cap very much be the good side and Tony very much the bad side, but in the movies both had incredibly valid points and neither were wrong.


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Sere1

Exactly, it isn't a case of "well these heroes are now the villains" but rather two heroes that we can get behind having a legitimate disagreement with valid points on both sides and no easy answer for how to get out of it. It makes for far more interesting drama and character development and I like that it wasn't wrapped up in a neat little bow in the end of the film. Sure, Tony isn't actively hunting Steve and Bucky after the movie, but he hasn't forgiven them either.


Moron14

This is where Homecoming ties it in so well. Tony is STILL a good person. Interested in mentoring a new hero, capable of being supportive, & making plans for the future of the remaining Avengers. Fans of Tony get to feel like he’s still the snarky badass he is. Fans of Cap get to feel OK with Cap “winning” Civil War.


Manolo__Manolo

The ten rings And not making M’Baku an actual gorilla


elhombreloco90

If I recall correctly, M'Baku wasn't an actual gorilla, but a dude in a gorilla suit (which was still good that they changed that. )


jackkieser24

No no no, he was an actual gorilla, but the gorilla was *acting*. It was incredible.


livelylexie

...first time I've witnessed pure artistry


Shiny-And-New

Thor not being a human who turns into Thor and back Generally not giving a shit about secret identites in most cases What they did with hydra in winter soldier Vision evolving from jarvis+mind stone+ultron Aunt may being a straight up hottie


GoldenKuriza

The irony about MCU Aunt May is that her actress (Marissa Tomei) is in her 50s, which is probably the most realistic age around the Aunt Mays


thefifthangel141

And not even early 50s. She’s 57!


GeorgiaOKeefinItReal

Wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...........


darthmemeios14

Marvel: do you have a milf fetish? Comic fans: no Marvel: *would you like to?*


KoalaJoness

Thanos' motivation.


lobut

No no no, it's not genocide, it's random.


albene

*snap* And I might add, efficient.


albene

This. That tease in the Avengers mid-credits was a nice nods for fans from the comics but his true motivation in the MCU was much more apt and powerful, played to perfection when he laid down the Gauntlet after he accomplished his goal. Now that I think on it... It makes MCU Thanos almost an anti-parallel of 616-Thanos. The latter is the Avatar of Death. The former sees his work as helping life to continue.


Rexan02

A love story/infatuation between Thanos and lafy death would have been a bit much for the regular movie goer to swallow


Mister_Doctor_0127

I'm guessing you're saying the Ten Rings is the best change they've made, and I completely agree. The redesign looks dope as hell, and it's a vast improvement on the OG look. Also, introducing comic-accurate Ten Rings as a MacGuffin immediately after the Infinity Stones would feel weird, for they are extremely similar. Also, the new rings' usage is another aspect of it which made the change awesome. Those collapsible whip-like things it formed look amazing.


profstenny

The way they use them in action sequences is just brilliant…you cannot fly with them, but you can use them to propel you like some kind of rocket booster? Very well thought out change.


spreerod1538

You can also use them as steps so you can walk through the air... I thought that was super cool.


Landriff

And I think he jumps and grabs one mid-air and swings off it to cover more distance in the air, if I'm not mistaken.


mbattagl

I like that the rings have so many different applications weapon wise, but still present such a great mystery for future movies. Like why do they allow someone to live forever, where are they from, and what power imbued in them allows somebody to break a seal into another dimension?


EightBiscuit01

Giving Thanos an actual motive beyond just wanting to make Death happy


ItsAmerico

Starlord and his Walkman and how much music plays a role in his film both for the film itself and Starlord as a character. I honestly think it’s like the most influential and memorable thing about the films. It’s impossible for me to hear some of the songs and not think of Guardians.


Mickeyjj27

Mysterio, the drones and his team worked perfectly. Really makes sense that it’s a team effort instead of on effects guy doing it all


tylerjb223

Basically everything about Bucky and Wanda. Their characters feel a hell of a lot more fleshed-out and personable in the MCU. Their comic counterparts pale in comparison imo


SojournerInThisVale

Changing strength levels. Super heroes who can break apart planets are just boring.


chimpyman

Removing Caps terrible helmet mask.


Gamerdude15

Phil Coulson


RevanReborn47

Making captain America a human. By that I mean making him a real character, with flaws and strengths that goes through challenges. Comic book captain America was most of the time this larger than life character who felt like a superhuman rather than a super strong human. This is also why my friends hates captain America, because he’s different than the comics


amarem14

There are different iterations of Steve in comics. Some of them had real flaws and challenges.


iCarpet

Making Wenwu an original character which solved the racist mess that Fu Manchu was and brought some closure to the Iron Man 3 controversial twist of the Mandarin. Thank god they didn’t use some stereotypical Asian long mustache look that Fu Manchu had and instead used Tony Leung and introduced a *je ne sais quoi* to the character. I also loved how the entire story did not revolve around “Western ideals are bad”, only two jokes about “America making Shang Chi soft” and how Westerners fell for a made up ploy, which I found really funny.


Ascarea

> instead used Tony Leung and introduced a *je ne sais quoi* to the character You cannot go wrong with casting Tony Leung


Horrorito

Oh, he was charismatic for sure, and charming.


Astrosimi

Super tasteful handling of all that. Wenwu roasting America for being terrified by a chicken dish was hilarious and top-tier lampshading.


Sunskimmeraroo

The MCU is so much more grounded. Every hero or villains powers/ abilities are easier to understand and relate to. For example: the Hulk in the movies being able to punch a building sized monster and bring it to a hault makes a lot more sense than the Hulk in the comics being able to punch away planets or solar systems. Even though destroying a building sized monster is still impossible for humans, our brains understand that a WHOLE lot more than planet busting. Same goes for the rest of the heroes.


CashPrizesz

Giving Thanos a rational motivation. The whole "cull the universe by half randomly" plan is definitely psychotic, but with his history/trauma it makes sense in the movie. A lot better then the comics "I am in love with a skeleton in a robe that says it is Death Incarnate, I will kill trillions for it!"


ShoelaceLicker

The Guardians of the Galaxy.


torchictoucher

They changed it from paper words to speaking people. I liked that


TheNoobMaster01

But they forgot to add scratch n sniff parts, so thats a bad part


amendmentforone

I'm pretty okay with them modifying "Demon in a Bottle" in Iron Man 2 to Tony's recklessness and other issues. Some folks were annoyed they dropped the alcoholism angle because it's a part of his comic character. But, I understand Disney and Marvel's concern as there's only so many films you're gonna have RDJ for. And the biggest financial draw is families and younger audiences who turn to this series for escapism - not having the same experience as the film "Flight".