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Typical_Math_760

Spinningfields is a soulless corporate hole with zero charm.


Bikeboy76

And half of it is empty, yet they are building more offices on the old ITV plot.


aka_liam

I feel like this thread has turned into “post your legitimate criticisms of Manchester here”


ClassicPart

Of course it has. You sort these types of threads by controversial to find the actual relevant cobtent.


DutchOvenDistributor

Did anyone ever think it wasn’t?


WindyMiller

I don't think we do things differently here.


Wideeye101

Regional exceptionalism is always a bit cringeworthy.


AndyVale

It can definitely come off as very 'Specifically Targeted Facebook ad' "Can't tell if you're looking at an ABSOLUTE LEGEND or a JUNIOR SOFTWARE ANALYST from CLITHEROE, RIBBLE VALLEY, LANCASHIRE? That's because they're the same thing."


aka_liam

Yeah, I really don’t like [these HSBC ads](https://storage.googleapis.com/adforum-media/34589754/ad_34589754_fe0c5e0e17ad38e4_web.jpg), as an example. “You’re not just a worker bee. You’re also all these *other* lazy stereotypes that some intern at our ad agency found on a buzzfeed list!”


aenimiac

I absolutely hate that phrase


jimbajomba

Where does it come from? (I'm not a Manchester native, just lived here for a few years) (Edit: better grammar)


Jazzlike_Rabbit_3433

Tony Wilson. Probably referring to a heritage of pioneering things in technology & culture.


mnclick45

I also think it’s misattributed to him. I’m 99% sure the quote is actually from the Tony Wilson character in the film 24 Hour Party People played by Steve Coogan. So all these giant neon signs and wanky graffiti pieces are actually paying tribute to some random throwaway line from a film script (great film) as opposed to the man himself.


Magurdrac

That's just something we say to news reporters when there's a terror attack. Then the next week we go back to doing things exactly the same as every other asshole city.


BenBo92

Manchester City Centre has lost most of its identity. 99% of housing there is now rented apartments and, with the high turnover of residents, people don't stay long enough to build or maintain communities. Private landlords constantly inflating the prices of housing beyond what any local people can afford has been detrimental.


aenimiac

I get what you're saying there, and I agree about the city centre being too expensive to live in for a lot of locals, but... in 1990 there were only 500 people living in the city centre, and between 2004 and 2019 the population in the Piccadilly and Deansgate wards increased by 185% (from around 10,000 in 2004) It's not like there used to be a huge, real community that's been forced out in the recent past.


BenBo92

Fair enough, I didn't realise the expansion had been that huge. I was including areas such as Ancoats (where I live) in that too. I understand it's not traditionally been considered the city centre, but I'd class it as such in all but name. I live in a block of at least 150 flats, and I'm probably one of the longest residents here, judging by the Facebook group. We've only been here for four years.


commercialfreejazz

Didn't Ancoats used to be largely derelict, though?


HatchedLake721

This was discussed on BBC’s Manctopia. Some youngster was unhappy with gentrification of Ancoats and foreign investment pumped into it. Then a 60+ Mancunian lady argues and reminds him that Ancoats was a dangerous shit hole full of garbage. Now it’s an area where people go to walk their kids, eat, drink and live.


I_Bin_Painting

It was way more than just Ancoats. Basically everywhere that is now full of very new buildings was an absolute shithole 30 years ago, the Deansgate locks amongst the worst.


aenimiac

Like you say, I'd imagine it's mostly causes by landlords and developers. Whole blocks only available to landlords, 12 month fixed term tenancies, annual increases at the end of those tenancies. It's a never-ending cycle of finding the next 'bargain' apartment. The rental market across the whole country doesn't work. There needs to be more control. It'll never happen though, not while property is seen as an investment rather than a home.


BenBo92

Agreed. If nothing else, capping the increases would be helpful. Northern Group, who own the development, have quoted us a 17% increase if we're to renew in August. A land tax on second homes wouldn't go amiss either, but unfortunately that wouldn't artificially maintain the housing market, which seems to be the priority for this government, and all previous for that matter. Look at how they reacted when the market wobbled during lockdown; they got rid of stamp duty and the landlords gobbled it up, taking yet more supply out of the market for both first time buyers and, temporarily, for renters.


Swiss_James

>I was including areas such as Ancoats (where I live) in that too. I understand it's not traditionally been considered the city centre, but I'd class it as such in all but name. I live in a block of at least 150 flats, and I'm probably one of the longest residents here, judging by the Facebook group. We've only been here for four years. To be fair- Ancoats wasn't really a residential area until the last few years, so no-one is going to have been living here for that long. I also live in Ancoats- but I was in NQ before that, the end of Deansgate before that- have lived in the city centre since about 2012, Manchester since '96. If I leave my door I'm all but guaranteed to see a few people I know to stop and chat to. My kids go to the local school / nursery, mrs has been to a local cafe and forgotten her card before so the people she knows in there told her to pay the next time, there's a local running group, local cycling group, the woman in the ice cream shop asks my kid when his grandparents are getting back- etc. etc. If it's not a community around here, then I don't really understand what a community means.


[deleted]

Funny really, people told me this when I lived in the city centre a decade ago - now I find myself living elsewhere because it's too expensive.


Sister_Ray_

eh you're never going to get a communal vibe in the centre of a major city, those sorts of areas support young transient populations that bring a lot of dynamism and energy, although obviously it has it's downsides as well in terms of social isolation and lack of community. I think that's just the way of the world different places have different functions and raison d'etre's... if you want a friendly local atmosphere move to a small village...


commercialfreejazz

I don't see how this can be the case when there was barely anyone living in town before. It's not like housing was knocked down to build those flats. If anything, they've given the centre some life. As someone from GM, I reckon town is well nicer than it used to be, both in terms of energy and built environment.


Swiss_James

It definitely is- people just enjoy complaining and "soulless city centre flats" is a good current hobby horse.


macncheesee

I dont think you live in the city centre of a large/busy city for the community spirit.


badpenny1983

Moved to Salford from a council estate in Bedford last year to be with my partner. Happy to be here and generally I love it, but honestly shocked at how much rubbish there is everywhere. Can't work out if it's because of all the different recycling bins, people being lazy, bin men dropping it by mistake, or just that the streets round here are a bit of a wind tunnel. It's a bit embarrassing though, when my mum finally gets to visit I'll have to pick it up off our street lol


SirCaesar29

I say this as a leftist/liberal voter who would like to see the tories locked up in jail: the rock solid Labour majority in the Manchester City Council has done immense harm to the city. Councillors are not afraid to rise prices beyond nonsense, engage in projects that make issues worse (have you seen the City 500 thing?)... and they barely engage with their community, if at all. They could use a bit of the good old "I have to keep my people happy or they'll vote me out" dynamic.


BenBo92

I couldn't agree more. I'm a Labour voter and have been all my life, but the party in Manchester is God awful, and really needs a thumping to kick it into gear. I had door-knockers from Labour turn up just before the by-election in Ancoats and I listed a bunch of issues (sale of New Islington Green, the development of the retail park, farcical work on Great Ancoats Street, sinking millions into neverending repairs of fountains etc.) and they had nothing to contribute. They promised to then drop some literature in my letter box, but they didn't even manage that. Even Lucy Powell is a shite constituency MP. I've written to her multiple times, but I've never gotten a response. She's more interested in hosting galas and doing interviews about Strictly Come Dancing than getting her hands dirty in constituency work. I'm hoping Labour get a kick up the arse in May.


Jip_Jaap_Stam

>Even Lucy Powell is a shite constituency MP. I've written to her multiple times, but I've never gotten a response Same thing happened with me and the so-called "King of the North", Andy Burnham, when he was Leigh MP. He was all over the Hillsborough inquiry like a rash, but when it came to small stuff (to him, though not to us) that wouldn't get him in the paper or on the news, he wasn't interested. While I'm not saying Hillsborough wasn't a worthy cause - it certainly was - the old cynic in me suspects that it was mostly about publicity (as was the whole Manchester tier 3 fuss, IMO). Plus, Leigh has a disproportionate number of Liverpool FC supporters, so I'm sure his involvement didn't hurt his chances at the ballot box. TL:DR, Andy Burnham is a lego-man-headed prick, which in itself might count as an unpopular Greater Manchester opinion.


byt411

Agree. Andy Burnham is ok, but the decisions made by councils are just ridiculous. Can't believe they approved building on the patch of grass next to the Wharf in Castlefield... Absolutely ridiculous


mdmnd

No way that's gone now? Was a brilliant place to sit in the sun with a few cans.


byt411

Nope. Completely destroyed. Now a building site. I still remember right when we got that heatwave during March of 3rd lockdown, and everyone was finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel, chilling with their mates and walking their dogs on that patch of grass, watching the ducks in the canals. It's all gone now.


commercialfreejazz

Yeah this is why I keep voting green in the locals. 92/96 councillors are Labour, so there's no opposition at all.


supertrooper777

Winning comment right here 👏 Labour Party member and born and lived in Manchester for nearly 50 years but hate what has happened to our city. MCC has run rough shod over the city and ignored the thoughts and ideas of the people. Industry and growth is good, but green spaces and community is more important. Build those and people will be happy, use the city centre more, and businesses will be drawn to Manchester. It's not rocket science.


walrusphone

Completely agree with this. I moved to Trafford and its obvious the the councillors here try harder and engage more because they know they can lose


Blamethejewz

The "Labour" MCC are only Labour by name. It's basically an organized crime syndicate which has been lining the pockets of Pat Karney and Richard Lees (a multi millionaire) for decades now. Their only interest is property development, that's the number one priority by hook or by crook.


miked999b

Manchester centre is just so scruffy. If you were a visitor, walking down from Picadilly station to Piccadilly gardens what would your first impression be? It's a shame because there's lots to love about Manchester, but none of it is in that part.


shutyourgob

Extremely popular opinion.


Chronotaru

At least you didn't get lost and start walking towards the Etihad Campus. The first thousand metres or so...that's...not a good look.


Larsent

Yeah. That’s my experience. I love Manchester. I don’t live there but I have roots there. Last time in the city centre, it was dominated by drunks and drug users including those people who were frozen like statues with whatever that drug was. Overall impression and vibe was very negative. Unpleasant


ghostofathousand

That drug is called Spice and it literally zombifies people. Absolutely vile.


ALLST6R

I had friends visit from Leeds this weekend, and they really didn't feel it becdause of this. It looks rundown and messy, and because of that and a mass of people, it just makes the place look totally unorganised. But then the better sights are Deansgate and MediaCity, but just aren't the CityCentre.


Red-Squirrel-

Deansgate is very much in the City Centre!


QueenLunaEatingTuna

Yeh but that's the romantic grimeyness that's always captured in golden hour photos and selfies in front of the graffiti


JAD4995

thats a popular opinion haha


[deleted]

The walk from the station to the gardens isn’t a bad one at all imo. Gardens are fucked yeah but on the way ain’t bad


aka_liam

Piccadilly Gardens isn’t the war zone people make it out to be. It’s just a bit rubbish.


khaesori

i visited manchester back in feb for the first time since i'm moving there soon. we got off the airport bus @ piccadilly gardens and having seen all the warnings about the place i'd told my friends just to be a bit more cautious just in case. we were met by a busker who was performing their heart out (really well, might i add) and a bunch of people dancing and having fun. we were approached by one homeless guy and asked for change, which we gave, but he was a lovely young guy. obviously we only spent a few days there but any time we had to pass through there after we had no problems, even at night and on the weekend. i guess my question is what gives it such a bad rep? i don't think it's the nicest area or anything, definitely a little run down but not the ends like this subreddit made me believe before visiting lol.


aka_liam

Yeah, I think that’s the reality for most people. I live round the corner and walk through it all the time, at all times of day/night. I often like to sit by the fountain on my way home from a night out, stick some music on, and be alone with my thoughts. I’ve literally never had trouble there, but have got into conversation with some really good people, usually homeless. Worst experience I’ve had there was probably late last night, when a couple of loitering lads asked me for the time and didn’t say ‘thank you’ after, which was a bit rude! Conversely, I’ve been victim of three attempted mugging in the past few years, none of which were in Piccadilly Gardens. The thing is it’s not very pretty, and it’s become a communal spot for a lot of people who are struggling with money, mental health, and/or addictions of various kinds. Plus probably a fair few low-level drug dealers. But that doesn’t make a place dangerous in the way people on here make it out to be. You’d think it was the shadiest corner of Cape Town the way people talk about it on here!


dbxp

It's improved slightly in the past few years, it was worse during the peak of the spice epidemic. However there has been an increase in large groups of kids just standing around outside Mcdonalds late at night recently.


SadActAndGingerPubes

I’m from York and visited Manchester with my girlfriend a few months ago. She goes there all the time for gigs so she knows it better than York. We walked through gardens to the hotel and there was all these students kicking off in a McDonald’s. Like a hundred of them if not more. Certainly felt like a war zone that night.


CaramelPombear

My experiences generally with Piccadilly Gardens is that they are fine in the day, rough as fuck at night.


tdrules

The Greater Manchester system is let down by regions who aren’t that bothered by it. If Bolton or Stockport don’t want to benefit from a unified system they should be able to leave and let everyone else get on with it.


BigGreenTimeMachine

People of Bolton might be inclined to feel more 'Greater Mancunian' if we were actually made apart of the GM system... Other than the low emissions zone. We've no trams or dedicated bus 'corridors' like (all?) other regions and our trains are few/far between and/or fuckin heaving. To top it off, the only good part of the GM public transport system that Bolton ever had (the night bus from piccadilly Gardens after a night out) was permanently cancelled! That bus was always packed, saved people an absolute fortune and stopped a million taxis going to/from Manchester/Bolton. Literally the embodiment of public transport in the form of a single bus service. Maybe we'd be more 'bothered about it' if we actually reaped some sort of benefit from the system. I hope things change when Burnham's new bus system comes in.


tdrules

Who cancelled it? Was it the Bolton based Diamond buses?


ScabbyDan

Bolton definitely shouldn’t be considered Manchester. Stockport could be, but only just.


TakeItCheesy

Stockport is absolutely Manchester, its a 5 min train from picadilly


MJA21x

As someone from east Stockport, I consider myself a Manc well over whatever people from Stockport are called. We could definitely do with some more signs of being Manchester though. It would be great to see the trams get extended down here and not consistently have our trains into the city centre cut (specifically the Rose Hill line). The idea of separating ourselves from Greater Manchester is terrifying and I see no benefit to it. Honestly, don't remember the last time I went into Stockport town centre, maybe one or two times this year, whereas I'm in Manchester for uni 4 days a week.


JacksonTyrone

as someone who was born and raised in bolton, I would never consider it part of manchester. the drive there always felt a little too long to get to somewhere in manchester city centre and be like “yeahh i’m technically from here”


Admirable-Ad-8882

The mix of high rise and old industrial Manchester is probably a good thing, and a bit of gentrification is necessary to turn Manchester into the central northern city. Still gutted about the beer garden at The Angel, but we can't expect Manchester to stay as it was 20 years ago.


Libertation_Only

What’s happened at The Angel? I’ve not lived there for a few years now but my gf used to work there and I spent my happy evenings plastered in that yard. The place was falling down around us to be fair.


Admirable-Ad-8882

Two high rises went up and the beer garden loses a lot of afternoon sun now. Still a great pub, but was my favourite all-day-sun beer garden in Manchester for a while (even if it is a bit shit and right next to a busy crossroads).


19IXI91

Wilmslow Rd smells like oolong tea. The residents must feed the mile of trees gallons of oolong tea daily or something. It must be a culture.


4tunabrix

I’m not a fan, after living here for 2 years I’m heading back to London


PortableEyes

Rochdale counts, right? Because I keep hearing about how awful Rochdale is, filled with nothing but addicts and violent criminals, how it's a shithole and, you get the idea. And every time someone's told me this, it's someone I know who is an alcoholic, or an addict, or a violent criminal getting lifted by the police constantly. I actually like it and have no plans to leave. Reminds me of home.


wutheringwildly

As someone who grew up in Rochdale and was constantly hearing how much of a "shithole" it is from others this was really nice to read!


CatFoodBeerAndGlue

Yo! I was born and raised in Oldham and spent my life being told that Rochdale is a shithole. Moved to Rochdale nearly 2 years ago and have no complaints at all. Rochdale council are waaaay more on the ball than Oldham council too.


JAD4995

Sacha Lord (head of WHP and Parklife) is a cancer to the Manchester Nightlife scene.


zbornakingthestone

> always just remember during the height of the pandemic when he was saying how much hospitality and nightlife workers wanted to go back to work and furlough wasn’t enough.I worked in hospitality at the time and literally none of the hundreds of people I knew working in the industry wanted to go back to work. But here was this millionaire lobbying for us to get back acting like he was doing us a favour.He acts like he’s a countercultural figure when he’s on the governments payroll, works with the police and property developers ffs. He's an absolute shitter.


emmmmellll

ridiculous that he is ‘night mayor’ of manchester but only seems to care about his own ventures. Have never heard him promote anything re other clubs in mcr / salford


JAD4995

Unpopular opinion we need better suburbs in and around the city all the investment should not be concentrated in the city centre. When I visit London I barely go into the city because there's enough in the suburbs to do. I can only say that about 7/8 suburbs in the whole of greater manchester. hopefully this will improve.


I_SNIFF_FARTS_DAILY

Our outer city is dire, curry mile is full of litter and looks deprived as fuck, same with Rusholme


JAD4995

The best part of the city centre is oxford road IMO between the Whitworth art gallery and st peters square


Appropriate_Gur_2164

I imagine it's an unpopular opinion; **The Curry Mile is crap. There's much better places to have a Curry across the City.**


I_SNIFF_FARTS_DAILY

The amount of litter around there is astonishing. Why can't people just put things in the fuckin bin


mdmnd

There's hardly any curry down there any more!!


gourmetguy2000

It's morphed. Middle East mile now. Great kebabs and such


ql6wlld

So first off... defo think manchester is the second best city in the country, but also a million miles behind London. ​ 1. Transport is poor, over capacity, has zero backup plans for when things go wrong. Trams are just poor. Slow, overpriced, over capacity. Need to get underground soon as possible, street level transport isn't going to cut it. Imagine some bigwig from BBC or ITV coming into pic from London, only to have to sit on the Eccles line round media city, screeching and going slower than walking pace. Shameful tbh. 2. The weather does suck. its nice during the summer, not too hot, nice temperatures. But end of Oct to start of March, its like none stop rain and grey skies. Really does get depressing. 3. People really aren't any more friendly, and general manners (especially on public transport) is awful. Asking people to move their bag on a tram, lucky to not get threatened. Whilst people in London dont talk on the transport, they are much better at moving and getting out of the priority seats without an argument. 4. Its really not that much cheaper than South. Honestly could get drinks cheaper in the west end of london than I can in the NQ. Housing (closer to the city) is cheaper obv than london, as is car insurance. But things like food, transport, petrol etc are all the same. 5. There really isn't much to do in the city. Almost no greenspace, and very little to do outside of eating or drinking. London was always entertaining me, Manchester I need to go out of my way to find something to do. Family time in the city is pointless.


ihatepickingnames810

5 is so true. Always struggle to find things to do with family other than eat/drinking. Very open to suggestions though!


ppolo99

Completely agree! Theres a few little things to do, museums, galleries, libraries but nothing special


papa-hotel

All popular opinions, but all very true.


JokersLeft

I think a lot of Mancunians genuinely think it’s a better city than London, so I don’t think the overarching statement of OP’s comment is a popular opinion


padmasundari

I really heartily agree with #3. As a southerner who's lived in Manchester for 7 years, I can't tell you the amount of times I've had someone shout aggressively in my face "BUT EVERYONE'S MUCH FRIENDLIER UP HERE, EVERYONE'S DEAD RUDE DOWN SOUTH", going redder and redder in the face trying to insist I agree. I dunno mate, no-one down south ever felt the need to threaten me into agreeing that they were friendly.


SherdyRavers

4 is a lie. Drinks are way more expensive in London. Speaking as a London native who moved to Manchester


simlew86

As always, it depends where you go. If you’re out in Town it definitely is just as expensive as London. But then there are pubs in London that are way cheaper, that for some reason people refuse to acknowledge exist. My local for instance, a really nice pub converted from the old building society, £3.80 for a cask session IPA. Then there’s another micro brewery type place that has a pint for £4.20. This is coming from a Stockport native that moved to London.


rjb7190

I think the Deansgate Square towers look pretty smart tbh. (Not actually sure if this is unpopular)


Chonkyladd90

People that work in "the industry" (bartenders) are up their own arse.


[deleted]

That'll be the cocaine


ForeignAd2455

It’s just becoming a very ugly place, the city centre is just one giant money sucker and for the locals we see no money put into our communities and youth.


evavu84

Absolutely agree, and no genuine culture, just Instagram hype


lordsmish

I think that in 5/10 years time the city centre will need some serious change it's become complacent that it was the self-proclaimed second city. Now we have people living in the centre trying to kill off the music scene through noise complaints, we have legacy restaurants/bars being forced out through sky high rent, ridiculous costs for public transport, half the city under constant construction to build yet another 1/2 empty skyscraper for foreign investors to buy into and crime is through the roof. While this is happening we have somewhere like Trafford receiving a ton of investment. Sale, Urmston, Altrincham are all homes to amazing food, drinks and live entertainment and Stretford is on the way to joining them with the bars and restaurants currently there and the huge investment project to turn the mall area into a food drink village and modern indoor market hall they are even going to have their own version of Hatch opening in the next few years. Who's going to bother heading into town when everything is on the doorstep, cheaper, safer and cleaner.


JAD4995

Well isnt this acutally a good thing for greater manchester. We shouldn't have to only go into the city centre for a night out or for nice cafes or bars that what the London suburbs have over every other part of the UK its like multiple developed centres and areas which people can go to.


IsTim

The London boroughs are bonkers with how much they have on offer just a few miles from central London, but it’s only made possible by the sheer density of people, they provide strong local economies because they’re all so busy. GM is much more spread out and the suburbs are considerably less dense and I can’t see them ever fuelling the same levels of vibrancy. Having said that the freedom from bustle and space available is a massive bonus just in a different way.


JakeTee

Salford is Manchester's best kept secret. Atleast it was for me, I grew up in Gee Cross and Stockport and always heard about how bad Salford was, bought a house in 2019 and was told do not buy in Salford it's rough etc. 3 years later and it's the best thing I've done, town on my door step, Salford quays on my doorstep, house prises massively on the rise, loads of lovely parks, Monton high street for some nice food. Just a great place, in my opinion.


commercialfreejazz

Literally anything built in the past 20 years: \*simply exists\* Reddit: SOULLESS


TTTTTTTb

The Northern Quarter is overrated. My last few jobs have had NQ based offices, I’ve seen seagulls eating a rat on the pavement on my way into work and a homeless woman squatting for a shit in the middle of a road on my way out. There are some restaurants with great food, but outside of that the area just seems grubby and under-maintained


Camgirlbridge

Most of the bars in the NQ are owned by the same 4 people these days. I know this because I know these people lol. Rent is so expensive you can only afford it if you basically capture almost the whole market.


odinelo

NQ was great around 15 years ago. It was full of quirky little independent places. But it went rapidly downhill over the course of a couple of years as it gained popularity. One indicator was the appearance of bouncers at every bar. The prices of rent and drinks/ food increased considerably at the same time. I too have seen a woman take a shit on the street in that area. On two separate occasions.


Craazy_dave

Same woman?


odinelo

Nah, one was homeless (wiping her arse with pages torn from a book), the other some drunk girl on a night out with her friends. Wouldn't surprise me if there is more than one serial shitter in the area though. I had a very strict "no shoes" policy in the flat when I lived there.


RusticTack

We need designated shitting streets


aka_liam

This may also be unpopular, but it’s things like this that make me prefer it to Ancoats. Ancoats just feels so sterile and fake compared to grubby little NQ!


DownFromTheAttic

It's because Ancoats, well Ancoats how it is now, is a manufactured community, it's still finding its feet and its identity. It does feel very...concept art at the moment. Like people haven't really taken ownership of the area they live in. But it'll happen over time, quirky bars and shops will pop up and give Ancoats more of an individual identity


aka_liam

Oh, totally. I do actually love ancoats, and am excited to watch it develop into a place with a bit more soul, which it undoubtedly will!


beef_trousers

I honestly think Manchester is mostly a shithole – and when I hear all the 'greatest city on earth' bollocks, I can only imagine these people have never been to another city. I want it to be great, but I don't get the hype at all.


Viperise

I live in Birmingham but I'd put Manchester top 3 best cities in the UK


tea_anyone

It’s the best city I’ve lived in by a fair amount. The candidates are Birmingham Leicester and Sheffield though


[deleted]

Birmingham annoys me so much, second most populated city in the UK and there is literally nothing going on there at all. Such a wasted opportunity.


Swiss_James

This & That is the fourth rice'n'3 place, and if it didn't take card / stay open late I would never bother with it.


papa-hotel

Actual unpopular opinion, good work.


Eniugnas

I will fight you.


dbxp

The infrastructure can't really cope with 2 major football teams, the transport networks struggle enough when just one team is playing never mind both.


[deleted]

You know that they never play at home at the same time because of this reason, right? No transport system is designed around having 100000 extra people in it for a few hours once a fortnight to be fair.


-Nighteyes-

Totally agree. I'll add that I already wanted to put a plow on my car when I worked in Trafford and was going home when a match had finished to drive through the brain dead groups who walked in the middle of the road.


DaveManchester

I got sparked out, outside the footage years ago for saying Rochdale was part of Manchester. I should have said greater Manchester and/or ducked.


Pricey9836

It’s saddening to see but the amount of antisocial homeless people it’s bad. I’m from Birmingham which has in my opinion more homeless people about. But in Manchester what I’ve never seen in another city to this level is that they come up to you even if your in the phone or clear busy and get in your way and beg. Now this is fine but it happens too often. I got of the train in Piccadilly and walked to the bus station on charlton road, it’s not far at all, basically one road. I had around 6 homeless people come up to me in total. I am a student I look 17-18 but I’m 20. Must be worst for older people


dbxp

I think some of them target students as they're new in town, locals won't acknowledge them.


lordsmish

I never like to disparage the homeless because they have been through a lot and don't get the best treatment but you are right. The number of homeless that are happy to walk up to lone women on the street and aggressively beg. One of the worst new tactics i've seen is homeless people coming up to knock on windows of people sat in cars by themselves. You see this a lot in Salford on Chester Road. The police move them on but they are usually back in an hour. It's worse than any other city i've been to in the UK.


Fatally_Flawed

I’m a woman and when I’m out and about in town (or locally - Moss Side & Whalley Range) I am frequently approached by men begging for money and getting really aggressive and intimidating if I dare to say no. Just recently I was caught off guard outside my local shop. I’ve never seen homeless people or beggars around my immediate local area so I wasn’t expecting it. He was ranting on and on at me and getting in my path every time I tried to leave. Eventually I just thought ‘fuck it’ and grabbed a handful of change to give to him. It was only about £2 total but it was all I had. I handed it to him and started to walk away, he got angry and started after me and then pelted the whole handful of coins straight at my head! I’ve also had people come up to me and demand money because they saw me give money to a different homeless person earlier. I’m not fucking made of money, give me a break!


lordsmish

>I’ve also had people come up to me and demand money because they saw me give money to a different homeless person earlier. I’m not fucking made of money, give me a break! ​ I've literally had this happen to me. I gave money to a woman sitting outside a co-op she said she was using it to buy a coffee but end of the day none of my business. Then another homeless woman starts following me down the road asking why I'm not giving her money too. I told her i already gave the first woman some money and she told me to go to the bank and get her some and when i said no she continued to follow me and call me a ton of names under the sun. Ridiculous.


samfitnessthrowaway

* Vimto isn't all that. * Liverpool is fine. * All grey is a shit colour scheme for the inside of your house. * It matters not one jot whether you support City or United. * There's far too many people making their own gin and IPA, but no one makes a decent pint of bitter anymore. * Greggs need to start selling almond croissants up here. * A kettle is not an appropriate thing to pack in your hand luggage. * The city center doesn't need more studio flats.


Doccmonman

Bartender here, there’s always gonna be good bitter. Pamona Island, 4T’s, Millstone, Little Critters, Mobberley, and Marble Beers all do really good ones and they pop up in decent ale houses quite a bit. I guess the difference is that pales/IPAs are more popular with young people so they get priority in central Manchester. Might be worth trying some freehouses a bit outside the centre for the good stuff!


samfitnessthrowaway

Good tips!


420_5eva

>All grey is a shit colour scheme for the inside of your house. I blame Mrs Hinch for this more than I blame Manchester


iamabigfriend

The all grey inside and outside kills me. We're not in California... we're in a cloud.


Danze1984

> All grey is a shit colour scheme for the inside of your house Even worse on the outside. Someone near me has grey windows, grey door, grey slate drive, grey garage door, grey Merc, grey roof tiles, grey composite decking stuck to the house, grey gates. It all looks ridiculous. I think the only time grey doors & windows look good on a house is when the building is white. Even then I think I'd choose black. Everyone has just gone balls deep in grey and it's so fucking bland.


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notreallifeliving

Spinningfields Greggs used to sell almond croissants pre- and during lockdown but I've not seen one in any Greggs for months.


evavu84

The focus of the city area seems to be on making money rather than genuine culture. Too many art studios closing down to make way for bouji flats. For a city that's supposedly proud of its culture it doesn't put its money where it's mouth is.


SnoozyDragon

I don't think any of that is Manchester-specific, that's just life under late stage capitalism. Mind you, if my experience of trying to find somewhere to rent in this city is any indication then we really do need more housing!


rubygloommel

It would certainly be nice as a nearly 30-year-old to be able to live on my own instead of shacking up with a couple of friends because it's so unaffordable otherwise. I don't even earn a bad salary.


tuftmylifeintopieces

Completely agree with this! They're all for artists painting beautiful murals outside their boujee restaurants but kick creatives out of their business premises as soon as they see a possibility to tear a building down for a tower of £1000 a month box flats. Source: currently working in an artist studio surrounded by new fancy flats that start at £900 a month for less than a 1 bed.


voxhaulf

Im currently in Liverpool right now, usually based in Wiltshire but i used to visit friends of mine (students) they used to rent an apartment in One Park West (probably best location in city center) really nice apartment 2 good size bedrooms and one big living room for 750 pounds a month. Fast forward 5 years later have another friend who moved to liverpool to study and can barely find a one bed room small apartment for like 850 a month (the cheapest one he found). I casually see rentals going for 1100+ a month….. in liverpool??


InMyUnclesCloset

Oasis aren't that great.


Yo_Buckeroos

redrock in stockport isn’t that bad. might not be an unpopular opinion but it is where i am.


Jbutlr90

The area around Sankeys was the druggiest place ive ever been. It was great.


YouOdd

Nq is a dump, the people that love it think they are edgy when they are all the same but consider themselves unique. The bars/pubs are run by companies masquerading as independents but still charge £5 a pint.


mofomofo2020

Charlie Veitch is a cunt.


GuyAnotherLonleyGuy

the area around the prison is controlled by gangs. literally a no go zone at nighjt


mdmnd

All those dodgy shops don't even seem to hide what they're doing


Total_Indecision

I know we're getting a new park but it isn't enough. We need more greenery, but I'm worried it'll just be absolutely filled with rubbish.


aka_liam

That is the opposite of an unpopular opinion, probably one the top complaints about Manchester.


murdershaunwrote

Oasis were/are so nauseatingly boring.


TroyMcclure88

I went to Liverpool for the first time last week for an overnight stay and the difference is crazy! Liverpool felt like a European city to me, very well taken care of, very clean, people were nice (they are in town as well but just adding to the list) and all in all, the council seem to really care about the city as a whole. Manchester has some decent parts but all in all it’s very scruffy and run down


Sister_Ray_

Honestly bit confused by this one. For sure, I agree Manchester can be scruffy in places, but Liverpool is just as bad if not worse IMO? Parts of the centre feel very run down and poverty stricken.


Carlosthefrog

You are right, I guess living somewhere and visiting aren’t the same you don’t see the same picture. We have some lovely parts of Liverpool but a lot is run down and just left to rot same can be said in Manchester.


bbggf

I've just moved from Liverpool and I'm gonna say it is absolutely a very scruffy city haha


Dirtnap_9126

Ugly and overpriced.


Rare_Objective_9068

Didsbury is full of annoying people and not the idyllic family friendly suburb of dreams everyone bangs on about


mnclick45

For a “city that lives and breathes football”, it’s surprisingly hard to find a good football pub in and around Manchester. When I lived in town, there was maybe one or two places which showed games with commentary around deansgate. Getting the bar staff to have the sound on was a battle in itself. I think they finally opened a dedicated sports bar near Albert Sq recently but even that was heaving and badly set up. It’s a doddle in London and Liverpool but a mission in Manc. See also: finding a decent breakfast spot of a weekend morning. Not an NQ fancy coffee house with loads of white socks on show; just a cheap greasy spoon serving breakfasts. A rare sight in the city centre.


mdmnd

I'd go to Wetherspoons for the breakfast tbh


xsplizzle

For a major city there is very little to do


VladTheImpaler29

Salford's status as a city is bullshit. You have to get a train from Salford Central (or Cresent) to get to the (so called) city council offices and - as far as anybody can tell - it's (alleged) city centre is just a big Tesco's. A complete nonsense.


LiquidLuck18

I agree. Salford is just another area of Manchester to me. I don't take anyone who suggests it's a city seriously, even if it's *technically* defined as one.


thatonepingu

There are far too many spiteful/violent people here compared to everywhere else I have ever lived by an insane amount


LiquidLuck18

That I love Manchester and think it's a great city. That seems to be an unpopular opinion if this thread is anything to go by.


Dinoscores

Same here. I moved here when I was 18 from the south, fell in love instantly, and refused to leave. It’s been almost half my life now. Travelled all over the world, there are loads of amazing cities out there to visit, but I haven’t found a single place I’d rather actually live, and I always feel happy when I come home.


CornishLegatus

The skyline towers are the best bit and I would like to see more of them


Demongeeks8

Wigan should be handed over to Merseyside.


porspeling

You mean Lancashire


Demongeeks8

Whoever wants it really. It's a bit of an oddity in Greater Manchester


kingjafool

Out of interest what makes you think this?


Demongeeks8

It's too remote from Manchester. It's like including Warrington and Runcorn.


kingjafool

Fair point. I think all parties would be better off if wigan was a part of Lancashire really. Merseyside wouldn't be a good fit for the same reasons as greater manchester isn't.


jvlomax

I have a feeling Merseyside might have something to say about that


TinyMousePerson

And Lancashire.


supertrooper777

The Hacienda was absolutely shit; cavernous, crowded, sweaty. Yes, I did still go occasionally, but it was not on a par with other amazing clubs like The Boardwalk. You tended to go there for an hour at the end of the night but it was too big to ever have a friendly, community feel.


dShado

Its not that rainy


theotherquantumjim

Compared to where? A rainforest?


dShado

I lived in Glasgow before coming here. The weather hefe is great. Most weeks in only really rains once. Its fine.


TinyMousePerson

Glasgow is second rainiest city in the UK, and it's only a few mm short of Cardiff. Manchester is 15th. We get plenty here but Glasgow is the actual pinnacle.


dShado

Yeah, and when I came ALL the comments I heard about Manchester was "oh it rains so much, its terrible". Its not too bad.


TinyMousePerson

It's far rainier than London or lots of the South. And people are a lot more likely to have seen the opposite ends of England than they are to have ever set foot in Scotland. All about your reference points.


miked999b

It really isn't, not even in the top 10 towns and cities in Britain (15th apparently). Such is the stereotype you'd think it was number one, without question.


dyltheflash

I agree! Growing up in the South Pennines, Manchester always seemed quite dry to me.


vSpooky_Gyoza

People act like a Manchester is the bastion of the aspirational working class and it just isn’t. The city is made up of working class people who had their industries ripped from them by Thatcher in the 80s, creating ghost towns like Eccles, Rochdale and Oldham that are infested with poverty. Now that we’ve moved to the services economic model the children of those working class people are slaving away from minimum wage in restraunts and shops to serve self aggrandising usually Southern liberals who act like they’re so much better than Londoners and Super Rich Chinese people. Manchester is literally the epitome of the neo liberal hellhole that is modern late capitalist Tory Britain.


Matty_Bee420

Rough as fxxk


LiquidLuck18

When you live in a place you're more likely to hyper focus on its problems and often blow them out of proportion, or glamorise other cities/places that you have only visited. I'm seeing a lot of that in this thread. So my unpopular opinion is that people here need more perspective.


juicy_steve

It’s not that rainy


Pumpkin-Bomb

Lived in both Manchester and Liverpool. Manchester isn't better than Liverpool. It's not worse at all, it's just different, but it's not better.


Blamethejewz

Yes I'm a manc, born and bred. But, It's totally overrated. There is nothing particular special or amazing about the city anymore, if anything it's way behind other major cites. It's certainly rougher and scruffier. The central point (Piccidily Gardens) is quite frankly a total and utter embarrassment. I tell my parents to avoid it all together. In terms of night life, I had the dreadful realization recently on a night out in Liverpool that, Liverpool is better. Why? Way less pretentious. Which is my default opinion of town now. It's very pretentious. If it's not really glammed up ("you aint wearing the right shoes mate") its equally pretentious hipster bars of extremely expensive cocktails and poker faced, clicky clientele. Plus there's just a really neggy, hostile vibe I can't put my finger on. It's just not safe. Especially for young women. I can imagine it's impressive to students but me now, I'm done with it. I'll go for drinks and that other places.


scrotimus-maximus

Despite having an amazing city with an amazing history, most Mancunians are so miserable and negative and generally unfunny. Yes I said it.


Admirable-Ad-8882

I'm not a local by birth, and agree that Mancunians are grumpier than most other cities. Kinda like it though, feels honest.


rye-ten

Having a couple of generic glass towers isn't 'what makes Manchester feel like a real city'.


Effective-Rhubarb481

Left for 15 years, bragged about it all over the world, came back and I hang my head in shame, its like a cess pit....too much civic boofing, at least Blackpool has a beach...piccadilly Gardens is an international embarrassment


JAD4995

Theres far too many food halls in the manchester city centre. Grub, Mackie Mayor, Society, Hello Oriental, Freight island & hatch + a Boxpark and another food hall by the ramona owners on the way is way too oversaturated.


vickerslewis

I agree there is a lot but there is also the market for them. Every time I have been to the above they're rammed.


dbxp

Just looked at the menu for Hello Oriental and they seem to be charging more than Pho in the Corn Exchange for the same dish but Pho has a much nicer environment


Dependent_Injury238

The clean air zone idea is fantastic.


MalfunctioningElf

The public transport is actually ok. Namely the buses and trams. I moved just outside of GM a while ago and the buses here take the absolute piss, leaving trains and an empty wallet as the only option.


Best_Needleworker530

I went to see a friend in Runcorn, had to spend a night since no buses or taxis were available due to rain. Rain. In northern England. what a surprise. No, not flooding, rain. I never complained about TfGM again. Yes it sometimes breaks or they do repairs but if they can they let you know beforehand and you can plan ahead.


Ninjaff

They should never have let them build the skyscrapers by Deansgate that loom over us like the ships of alien overlords. And yes I include the Hilton in this.


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Smol9

ancoats has been ruined southern yuppies who make it too expensive for normal people to live there, same thing is gonna happen in Collyhurst as well


Eniugnas

You asked for unpopular... We DO need a clean air zone and adding extra road capacity for private vehicles instead of improving cycling and public transport provisions is a backwards step.


jamkir

Towers are ugly and a completely unnecessary addition to the skyline.


predforall

It's definitely not a place that deserves such pride...Not sure why there are so many people here that think they're in the greatest place on earth. It's just okay!