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The Title Holder of (Literal) Best Planeswalker?

The Title Holder of (Literal) Best Planeswalker?

lDecoyl

The Wanderer is so good at planeswalking she needs to try hard to NOT planeswalk.


Contentious0

There any lore at all on the books for her, or is she one of those "what-ifs" that only exists in Commander?


lDecoyl

A) I don't know what you mean by the second half of your sentence. B) She's a relatively new character with little lore, that of which does exist is contained in the WAR books. Google "MTG The Wanderer" for more. C) She probably isn't the answer you're looking for, as her rapid planeswalking is unplanned and chaotic and the real answer is that there is no planeswalker who has been indicated to planeswalk especially better than others.


ddrt

They meant “are they just a card, or is there lore about them?”


trumpetofdoom

She was in War of the Spark (and randomly showed up on one card in Ikoria). There’s not a *lot* of lore about her, but that’s where you’d go to find it.


Rikets303

"or is she one of those "what-ifs" that only exists in Commander?" not gonna have many meaningful talks about this if that's how you see canon characters inside of mtg's multiverse... To answer your question iirc how good people are at planeswalking hasn't really been explored in any lore. I'd guess any old walker Bolas, ugin, maybe even lili.


Contentious0

Yes, how dare I imply that characters who literally only exist to fill color/type niches in a competitive format aren't well fleshed-out. Mea culpa. :P


Rikets303

You mean literally every character in magic?????? By your logic 99% of the games planeswalkers don't matter.


Contentious0

The core characters have arcs, and connections, and interactions with one another. Y'know, the things that you need to do in order to characterize a *character.* A character whose entire inception consists of a type + color match and whose entire background consists of a postcard's worth of text is an outline.


LastFreeName436

Except you’re not calling them not-fleshed-out, you’re straight-up denying their canonicity. Very different things, those. You made a falsifiable statement of fact that was inevitably falsified, and now you’re trying to pretend it was a subjective statement of quality. Stop digging your hole, man. You have a right to have opinions, but stop trying to transmute them into objective statements.


Contentious0

>you’re straight-up denying their canonicity No, that's just what's being attributed to me. All I did was dip my toes in the waters of hyperbole, assuming that the cheek involved was blindingly obvious. Evidently I was being entirely too subtle.


LastFreeName436

Except what you said wasn’t an exaggeration outside the realm of feasibility. Hyperbole, as a device, relies on absolute impossibility for its impact. If what you said isn’t squarely impossible, it doesn’t hit properly and you end up just having said a thing that wasn’t true. Secondly, the statement you made wasn’t directly correlated with the quality you now insist was supposed to be exaggerated and emphasized. Bungling two of the basic mechanisms that make hyperbole work? Either you weren’t trying that or you’re a very poor writer indeed.


Bugberry

There aren’t any “what-ifs” in Commander. Unless you just mean characters with not much lore, but those are in other supplemental sets.


Contentious0

>mean characters with not much lore No, I mean characters with literally none (of which there are too many). :P


Rikets303

Almost all new characters come with lore blurbs, articles, or main parts in the new stories. It's been this way for a while now. Seems you need to read more on the lore before posting things like this as you didn't even know who the wanderer was or her lore.


Contentious0

>Seems you need to read more on the lore before posting things like this as you didn't even know who the wanderer was or her lore. Imagine my embarrassment at not having obsessively pored over every paragraph of text posted on WoTC's bloated website before asking an idle question about the lore of a game I haven't actively played in years.


Rikets303

Then why make comments about commander characters being what-ifs with no lore? you obviously know very little about the lore so anything we say wouldn't change your opinion. EDIT: from your post.... "'Cause in my regular lore musings" you obviously haven't explored lore in many years.


Contentious0

>hOw CoMe YoU dOn'T kNoW eVeRy ChAr NaMe BrO? Because I have a job. And other hobbies & interests. And this is a game that farts out 50 named characters a year. If you think anyone other than a full-on fanboy commits every snippet of text associated with each of them to memory, you are operating under a misapprehension.


Rikets303

Never said you needed to know every char name in any way shape or form. You claimed in your OP to regularly view the lore.... you clearly don't. You asked several times who the wanderer was when you could of literally googled it yourself and guess what read the lore. Sorry if I came off as rude, but your whole post and comments came off as very thoughtless.


lDecoyl

I want to come back to my own answer to let you know that you are rude and overly defensive cretin. A number of people with knowledge of MTG lore (which you clearly don't have and don't have the maturity to simple admit you don't have) took time out of their day to answer your "question," if you can even call it that. Looking at your replies, it looks like you simply wanted people to agree with you that there should be some sort of "cowardly, quick-to-planeswalk planeswalker" and not have any sort of constructive discussion. You placed arbitrary restrictions to make other people's answers "wrong" (Why would "Bolas and Ugin [be] both too OP to become the best at rapidly/smoothly/accurately planeswalking" when they are some of the oldest and most experienced planeswalkers around? Why do "only cowards have cause to get good at running away"? I would argue a smart and powerful character knows exactly how and when they would need to make an exit") Furthermore, you were extremely rude to people who lightly corrected you or failed to "correctly" interpret your "question" (again, when there doesn't seem to actually be one). You reek of "I am very smart" energy and I suggest you significantly reevaluate the way you engage with people on these sort of platforms if you plan to have any sort of constructive discussions on them.


Spiritflash1717

Yeah this dude is a total prick


Contentious0

>you are rude and overly defensive cretin He said, thereby immediately ceding any high ground he imagines having. >You reek of "I am very smart" energy and I suggest you significantly reevaluate the way you engage with people (And twice in one post at that.)


Bugberry

It's not about knowing every character. The fact you think any Commander legend, especially any existing Planeswalker, has no lore, indicates you've made an assumption and done zero follow up on it.


Bugberry

Most new Legends get some incidental lore blurb at a minimum. And if you are talking Planeswalkers, every Commander product Planeswalker has SOME lore to them.


XannyMax2

I know there was a whole thing in lore about Jace planeswalking onto a moving ship (The Weatherlight) and that was impressive apparently. Otherwise, Bolas made his own plane entirely and also the Wanderer planeswalks when they stop concentrating.


lupin-san

>Bolas made his own plane entirely Oldwalkers were able to make artificial planes. Serra, Urza and Karn created planes.


Necroci

Old Phyrexia was also created by a planeswalker, although all we know about them is that they liked to take the form of a dragon and they were dead/gone long before Yawgmoth got there.


Bugberry

Jace was also able to do that by focusing on Gideon. In fact, all he sensed was that Gideon was moving unusually fast, he didn’t know exactly what was transporting him.


XannyMax2

True, but it was the only kind of “better” planeswalking i could think of.


Contentious0

Building artificial planes is a different skillset IMHO. Difference between being a racecar driver and an architect. (Also: the Wanderer?)


XannyMax2

The Wanderer is an unnamed character that pops up randomly, usually in a goodly manner. And yes, different skillset but i couldnt think of any other specifically planeswalk abilities other then those.


Lady_Morrigan

All old walkers could make planes, given sufficient time/motivation. IIRC, Bolas was actually more notable cause he didn't planeswalk in the normal sense. Normal walkers moved between planes- Bolas moved planes around him, and if he didn't have a proper anchor to where he was going he'd crack reality (hence the plot of *Champion's Trial*)


Redjellyranger

Depends on how you look at it. By your metric it's probably Jace, Garruk, or The Wanderer who's best at the specific act of moving via planeswalking. \- Jace has demonstrated great technical skill once teleporting onto a moving air ship once he locked in on the rest of the Gatewatch and using planeswalking to fast-travel teleport across Zendikar. \-Garruk has also demonstrated great technical skill in hunting other walkers across planes during his time cursed by the Chain Veil and thwarted several soon-to-be-murdered planeswalkers with his abilities. Not even Bolas wanted to deal with this guy during War of the Spark, considering his ax-crazy tendencies a wrench in his plans. \- The Wanderer may planeswalk at random if she loses focus, the flip-side of this is she expends almost no energy when she planeswalks whereas most others would be left exhausted by multiple walks in quick succession. Cards like \[\[Wanderer's Strike\]\] Depict her using this talent to pull off quick unblockable attacks like an anime samurai meets X-men's Nightcrawler. Other candidates to consider would be Tezzeret and Ral Zarek as both know a great deal about the "science" of planeswalking, Kaya as her ghost abilities let her posses someone and planeswalk with them which is an extremely rare feat, or older walkers like Karn or Ugin who know far more about this multiverse, planes, and the blind eternities than your average mortal due to their long lifespans.


imbolcnight

The Wanderer is also good at tracking planeswalkers across the Blind Eternities because of her unique planeswalking. She helped Ral Zarek track down Tezzeret.


Contentious0

Appreciate the thoroughness of your reply. Hadn't really considered Garruk's skills, but I suppose tracking/pathfinding qualifies as a subskill of planeswalking. In hindsight an Aetherborn would be a fantastic candidate to serve as a planeswalking savant. Already attuned to the blind eternities by dint of being made up of it.


Redjellyranger

Idk if aetherborn are attuned to the blind eternities or not. They're essentially elementals made of the condensed aether from the big swirly sky energy of Kaladesh. While we don't fully know what's up with that it certainly could be connected to them. An aetherborn walker could be interesting. Perhaps Planeswalking would be the treatment for their wasting if the Kaladesh aether is connected to the interplanar space, each trip through the blind eternities refreshing their physical forms cuz that's what's in them.


Contentious0

I had exactly the same thought. If their whole shtick is that they're unstable in a planar environment, theoretically a sabbatical between planes could "refresh" them on arrival.


MTGCardFetcher

[Wanderer's Strike](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/5/85e1d63e-9692-4988-bda2-7c2c9b42217b.jpg?1557576122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wanderer%27s%20Strike) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/38/wanderers-strike?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/85e1d63e-9692-4988-bda2-7c2c9b42217b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


TCGeneral

I'd guess either Nicol Bolas or Ugin? Probably leaning more on Nicol Bolas, considering he probably has more practice at it. No Planeswalker explicitly has "skill" at Planeswalking that I know of, but Nicol Bolas managing the plane of Amonkhet next to waging an interplanar war and gathering together the technology to transport an entire zombie army across planes to Ravnica convinces me he has the most skill at it, if that is a thing there is. Otherwise, Tezzeret merged with the portal that transported Nicol Bolas's army, because what would make somebody better at Planeswalking than becoming the interplanar taxi service themselves.


Contentious0

I would reason that Bolas and Ugin are both too OP to become the best at rapidly/smoothly/accurately planeswalking. Getting really good at making a hasty exit is the purview of low tier slippery characters. In short: only cowards have cause to get good at running away.


HotelRoom5172648B

Planeswalking can be used for more than just running away


Contentious0

Sure, but running away is the easiest, quickest & and likeliest way to get practiced doing it. That: "Damn nature, you scary." Thing goes 10x on a multiversal scale. The OP characters are always getting embroiled in big planeshaking intrigues and plots. They spend very little of their time actually planeswalking. Contrarily a chickenshit planeswalker's first instinct would be to planeswalk at virtually any occasion...


Bugberry

Why do you think only OP characters are the ones getting involved in plots? So they're OP just because they aren't cowards and have people they want to save?


Lady_Morrigan

Bolas actually did have issues with staying on planes/walking to planes, not cause a lack of skill but cause he might wreck the plane if it wasn't prepped for him cause he was so powerful. It doesn't mean he wasn't any less good at it (see his duel with Leshrac, or him turning Teferi into a toothpick), more like an elephant trying to fit an ant tunnel.


Contentious0

I mean... being unable to travel quickly without destroying your intended destination strikes me as a handicap unless you're explicitly \*trying\* to boardwipe a plane. Granted if you did have omnicidal aims it's a great low-effort way to see them through, but still.


Lady_Morrigan

Oh no, Bolas could move as fast as any other walker- he and Leshrac walked from Dominaria to Kamigawa to Ravnica(?) to Ulgrotha while fighting, but that was post resurrection and he was playing possum, so ymmv. Pre-death Bolas was described more of moving planes around him instead of moving to planes, but who knows what his partial retirement in death did.


Oceanum96

The player! So powerful he or she can just call all the other planeswalkers for aid, summon eldrazi and phyrexians alike, and create infinite creature tokens!


Contentious0

Didn't read the full post for 500$ please Alex. :P


Oceanum96

D'oh!😅


imbolcnight

In addition to the answers others gave regarding [[The Wanderer]], [[Venser, the Sojourner]] was the teleportation specialist. But it's generally portrayed that planeswalking (traveling between planes) and teleportation (traveling from place to place on the same plane) are different skills.


MTGCardFetcher

[The Wanderer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/0/d0f0e463-9eed-4348-af7c-fde5f0d8188c.jpg?1557576115) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Wanderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/37/the-wanderer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0f0e463-9eed-4348-af7c-fde5f0d8188c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Venser, the Sojourner](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/f/8f61a0ea-c2e8-4571-9669-19abd8bbc874.jpg?1581708232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Venser%2C%20the%20Sojourner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddi/1/venser-the-sojourner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8f61a0ea-c2e8-4571-9669-19abd8bbc874?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Contentious0

Urza proved a long time ago that you can travel from place to place on one plane by planeswalking, thereby making the difference between short distance planeswalking & teleportation moot.


imbolcnight

Well, at the least, if that is still a theoretical possibility, it is not something planeswalkers post-Mending are able to automatically do. For example, [when Jace was walking through the desert on Amonkhet](https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/impact-2017-03-29), he considered planeswalking away then back again to get closer to the city of Naktamun but knew this would be too imprecise to guarantee he'd be closer. In general, using planeswalking to teleport from location to location on the same plane does not seem to be something any planeswalker now does or thinks of doing.


Contentious0

>In general, using planeswalking to teleport from location to location on the same plane does not seem to be something any planeswalker now does or thinks of doing. Very much my point about someone whose bailiwick was planeswalking itself. Theoretically not only could said character bounce from place to place on one plane as easy as breathing, they could theoretically "skim" the blind eternities and half-phase out of existence as desired.


imbolcnight

Well, as you may have guessed from people's responses, that doesn't really exist. The Wanderer naturally planewalks automatically, but it's also a handicap. Venser may be closest to what you're thinking of just in terms of using teleportation as part of his combat suite; he would do things like grab enemies, teleport up, let go, then teleport back down, letting the enemies fall to their deaths.


NotionalWheels

I would have to say Tezzeret, he can transport whole armies to other planes…


bleakborn

I think I read something in the Kaldheim stories that Tibalt was a quick planeswalker, not sure if he is accurate but is able to transport quickly and often


Jokey665

well [[the wanderer]] is probably last on this tier list


MTGCardFetcher

[the wanderer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/0/d0f0e463-9eed-4348-af7c-fde5f0d8188c.jpg?1557576115) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=the%20wanderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/37/the-wanderer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0f0e463-9eed-4348-af7c-fde5f0d8188c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


KarnSilverArchon

The Wanderer


Serpens77

Jace and Venser (RIP). Both of them have the ability to planeswalk with way more precision than other known PW characters. Jace is capable of doing the calculations to arrive on a moving vehicle, and Venser was able to teleport as well as planeswalk, meaning he could arrive at a precise specific location on a plane, even if he'd never been to that exact spot before.


Contentious0

If we're talking deceased OGs then Urza deserves a spot on that tier list for literally planeswalking *inside* a guy in order to instagib him.


Serpens77

I think that's probably more an Oldwalker thing, rather than specifically an Urza thing


DrCarrionCrow

Tibalt.


Contentious0

Basis for claiming so?


DrCarrionCrow

Tibalt has successfully pretended to be a god. He feeds on pain, and we all know that’s the most abundant resource in the universe. Plus he can summon devils.


Contentious0

Annnd one more for the "didn't read the content of the post" club.


DrCarrionCrow

No I read it. I just disregarded it and substituted better criteria. My criteria. You are welcome. If you want to be real, it’s probably Venser, who was a planeswalker who specialized in teleportation.