[MID] Smoldering Egg // Ashmouth Dragon

[MID] Smoldering Egg // Ashmouth Dragon


thing in the egg


Works better in German. [[Das Ding im Eis]] vs Das Ding im Ei


- [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Das%20Ding%20im%20Eis%20//%20Erweckter%20Schrecken) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/92/de/das-ding-im-eis-erweckter-schrecken?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b79a4bb-d482-4722-ae9d-09832dfdd479?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Can h offer you a nice egg in this trying time?


Alternately, Thing in the Skies?


Naw, because it stopped being "in the Ice" when it transforms, just like the dragon stops being "in the egg" when it transforms.


It's interesting that it cares about mana spent rather than the spell's mana value -- presumably to synergize with Flashback?


could also be a safety valve against dredge or pitch spells in older formats


You do still cast dredge spells for their full cost though, and there aren't really any expensive ones to trigger this. Also, this triggers from X spells, and kicked spells


If I cast conflagrate for flashback I pay RR and discard 4 cards, for a total mana value of nine. Hardly full cost...


Thats not a dredge spell, and its still only two counters


Maybe they meant dredge as the deck, not the mechanic. And yes, it's two counters with the current wording, but would be 9 with the other wording.


hmm you sure about that? it says amount of mana, dredge reduces the cost


You're definitely thinking of Delve, not Dredge.


Are you thinking of delve? In that case, also no. You only get counters equal to the amount of mana you actually paid for the spell


i think it would be yes, it is a safety valve against delve? since less mana is paid, you would get less counters


Others have already pointed out that you're thinking of delve, but I want to point out that delve no longer works like that, and the reminder text you're looking at that says delve reduces the cost is outdated. The current rules for delve read: >“Delve” means “For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you mayexile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana.” It's no longer a cost reduction effect, it just changes how you pay the mana cost. Spells with Delve still have their full CMC (excuse me, mana value) on the stack, although the amount of mana that you actually paid for the spell is reduced.


well this new card spell says mana spent, not the cmc/mana value. so it still interacts in a way that gives it less counters


Pitch spells definitely; flipping this with a [[Force of Will]] + [[Force of Negation]] would have been funny.


[Force of Will](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/d/dd60b291-0a88-4e8e-bef8-76cdfd6c8183.jpg?1598303900) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Force%20of%20Will) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/51/force-of-will?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd60b291-0a88-4e8e-bef8-76cdfd6c8183?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Force of Negation](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/9/e9be371c-c688-44ad-ab71-bd4c9f242d58.jpg?1562201382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Force%20of%20Negation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/52/force-of-negation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9be371c-c688-44ad-ab71-bd4c9f242d58?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


More likely it’s to slow this down if played with alternative casting cards. Force of will, force of negation, force of vigor, daze, anything either delve or affinity could have this dragon transformed at instant speed the turn it drops. You could still do some shenanigans with rituals, but that’s not as easy to hit 7 mana and if you can you’d be better off storming or charbelcher


You think it's more likely that development was worried about how a Standard-legal card might interact with Force of Will than how it will react with a main mechanic from the same set?


I don’t understand the point of your argument. You ignored the 5 other examples I listed, many of which are legacy, vintage, and modern staples. Is the problem that I didn’t list standard instants and sorcery cards that would abuse this card too? Cause rogues run [[into the story]] and [[of one mind]] that reduce cost just off the top of my head. Also adventure cards would break this easy if it cared about mana value because casting the adventure would trigger the ability but it would look to the card’s mana value to add counters so [[Beanstalk Giant]] would trigger this turn 3 and every standard deck would be running around with 4/4 flying dragons attacking turn 3. So no, I don’t think design looks to force of will when making every card. But they absolutely keep many eternal formats in mind, especially modern, when designing new cards.


I didn't ignore your other examples, I lumped them all together. Replace Force of Will with any other card you listed and my criticism still stands. I'm not saying they don't care about eternal formats, but how a card plays in limited and Standard almost always takes top priority. My argument was that your claim that their primary concern was eternal formats was kind of absurd when there's a very obvious mechanical interaction in the same set. As to your Standard-legal cards, none of the cards you listed will be in the same Standard environment as this spell, so they're all non-issues. Also, small correction, but while an Adventure is on the stack it uses all the alternate characteristics of the Adventure, including mana value.


Then your problem was simply not understanding my point. I never claimed that the reason the card didn’t check mana value was their priority is eternal formats, it’s that this card tracking mana value is easily too powerful and arguably broken. I used eternal cards as examples because modern and legacy are the formats I’m most knowledgeable of, but the issue is not just eternal. it would limit designs options going forward in standard as any instant or sorcery with alternative or reduced cost would be a threat to break the card. AND it would break modern and possibly other formats. Also, you argue as if cost reduction and alternative costs (like fortell) are not in standard and staying in post rotation. Does that mean their priority is eternal formats? No. But does that mean they completely disregard eternal formats to print thematic cards? No.


[into the story](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/8/c838f08e-7fb6-46e7-83bb-dce8877d6c87.jpg?1572489909) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=into%20the%20story) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/50/into-the-story?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c838f08e-7fb6-46e7-83bb-dce8877d6c87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [of one mind](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/9/c95fb136-f21d-4f3a-82b7-bcf490b7e90c.jpg?1591226411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=of%20one%20mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/60/of-one-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c95fb136-f21d-4f3a-82b7-bcf490b7e90c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Beanstalk Giant](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/f/1f4495c3-46be-4b9c-bedf-7998e313662b.jpg?1604193776)/[Fertile Footsteps](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/f/1f4495c3-46be-4b9c-bedf-7998e313662b.jpg?1604193776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=beanstalk%20giant%20//%20fertile%20footsteps) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/61/beanstalk-giant-fertile-footsteps?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f4495c3-46be-4b9c-bedf-7998e313662b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Also it allows you to cast spells with mana cost X to fill the requirement. Shatterskull smashing for instance, would otherwise only add two pips to it.


Mmm, it depends on how it would be worded. If it was "whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put X counters on ~, where X is that spell's MV." then Shatterskull Smashing would still add 5+ counters.


Veyran is going to crack so many eggs


Veyran is trans confirmed


A true legend


A trans legend.


What? I cant even find any lore outside of Veyran being a teacher at Strixhaven.


Being an egg is a petname given to trans people who have yet to accept/tell others that they are trans. By breaking an egg it implies a person now presenting their true gender.




It's the equivalent/alternative to being 'in the closet', but really it comes down to personal preference. Trying to force labels onto other people is inappropriate, but if someone wants to use it by choice then more power to them. In this instance though? While kinda funny, its also awkward.


It's a real thing, there's a very distinct phase of denial a trans person reaches when they're basically at the breaking point in coming out to themselves. Basically a point of admitting that they don't want to be their assigned gender and that they desperately want so many things about the opposite gender but, that doesn't make them trans, no not at all. It's not something you usually call someone to their face, for the most part you just stick with them and help them figure it out on their own terms. But its so ubiquitous in the process that people who have gone through it use the word with each other to talk about it. You have to have language to describe your experiences, y'know.


As /u/Zama174 said, an egg is a closeted trans person, and breaking or cracking an egg is a term used to mean "helping someone realize they're trans". (Presumably because eggs become chicks) Since /u/Leotardoo said Veyran was going to "crack so many eggs", presumably meaning "Veyran will help this dragon flip so often", I joked that Veyran is trans, because trans people being out and open helps other trans people realize they're trans.


Came here to say this. I am definitely slotting this into my Veyran deck.


I got downvoted on another thread about this card and Veyran. Somebody replied and said it wouldn’t trigger him. For example. If it’s in egg form and I cast a 1 mana spell, it would get 2 counters on it. Wouldn’t that be correct? Or is there something I’m missing about the wording?


No, that’s correct. Idk why they downvoted you. This would work somewhat similar to [[Mizzix of the Izmagnus]] and his experience counters


For people like me who read this quickly and assumed it was a Guttersnipe; no, this can shock creatures too.


Honestly, a 4/4 evasive Guttersnipe sounds perfectly good anyway, so that's just gravy.


Planeswalkers also. This thing flipped is insane.


Also, guttersnipe is situationally better against multiple opponents if you’re trying to just shock faces


Or hexproof opponents


Spellslinging dragon? Sign me up!


You know what, I am loving the number of spellslinger toys in this set.


As someone whos trying to make a “more casual” birgi deck. These spoilers have been gravy for mono red


With dragon handler thermo alchemist is standard, we got a stew going


Guttersnipe is my favourite card and I fucking love my dragons. This is the best thing I have ever seen.


Looks awesome! I thibk that Jeskai spellslinger might actually become an archetype in standard, and if it does they would be a nice addition! Can be nice un Izzet Dragons too, with the amout of spells it casts


Im already running Jeskai spellslinger in Standard 2022 on Arena, though currently only about a 60% win-rate. Definitely got my eye on this card.


Nice! Sure that [[faithful mending]] will find a place ghere huh? Care to share a decklist?


Ive been running this on Standard 2022 on Arena since AFR and the format released, and its not half bad. Havent seen anyone do anything quite like it yet but then again its not meta-dominating, and i also havent been paying attention to streamers so theres that. Nothing groundbreaking, and definitely has its weaknesses. Currently this is the deck; Sorcerer Monk 2 [[Deliberate]]. 2 [[Depart the Realm]]. 4 [[Monk Class]]. 4 [[Expressive Iteration]]. 2 [[Sorcerer Class]]. 2 [[Demon Bolt]]. 1 [[Rowan, Scholar of Sparks]]. 4 [[Doomskar]]. 4 [[Practical Research]]. 3 [[Mordenkainen]]. 2 [[Spoils of Adventure]]. 2 [[Wizard's Spellbook]]. 4 [[Ondu Inversion]]. 4 [[Hengegate Pathway]]. 1 [[Frostboil Snarl]]. 4 [[Riverglide Pathway]]. 3 [[Furycalm Snarl]]. 4 [[Needleverge Pathway]]. 1 Plains. 6 Island. 1 Mountain. Playstyle is mainly tempo control, stall using bounce and wipes until you can get Mordenkainens dog illusion tokens on the field for beatdowns which are quite punishing due to all the card draw. Opponents are over-zealous with their creature removal since the deck doesnt run any actual creatures, so you can bank on the tokens getting removed as soon as you make them, but thats fine. You can refill your hand with ease. Average opponent will exhaust their hand while you maintain your cards in hand, and therefore, your options. Eventually youll have 1 of the tokens out most of the time and itll basically kill them in 1 hit due to all the card draw. Secondary win condition is Sorcerer Class leveled up, just cast spells, with wizard's spellbook out you can cast quite a few in a single turn. Biggest weakness this deck has currently is mill, and a lack of answers for manlands. Doom Bolt is really the only one. Thankfully [[Field of Ruin]] is going to be in Standard post-rotation and you better believe ill be running it, which will change up the mana base. There's also been a few really good options to deal with manlands spoiled today and yesterday. Mill remains a bit of an issue, but you can get the opponent on the back foot pretty easily, especially since no ones really playing this they don't really know what you're trying to do and it can mess up their gameplay.


##### ###### #### [Deliberate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/4/c41c0dd0-fef2-4f3c-8f3c-9c9c521b5442.jpg?1604194005) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deliberate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/56/deliberate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c41c0dd0-fef2-4f3c-8f3c-9c9c521b5442?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Depart the Realm](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/c/2ce0403d-76ed-4eb0-abdd-74ed28f96137.jpg?1631046984) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Depart%20the%20Realm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/53/depart-the-realm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ce0403d-76ed-4eb0-abdd-74ed28f96137?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Monk Class](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/2/b2edd708-46ee-4963-b7e6-b631616d78fe.jpg?1627709117) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Monk%20Class) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/228/monk-class?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2edd708-46ee-4963-b7e6-b631616d78fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Expressive Iteration](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/1/31b770cc-09e7-4c0b-b2a4-462ab4f7200d.jpg?1627428991) - 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[(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rowan%2C%20scholar%20of%20sparks%20//%20will%2C%20scholar%20of%20frost) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/156/rowan-scholar-of-sparks-will-scholar-of-frost?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/18c16872-3675-4a4d-962a-2e17ad6f3886?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Doomskar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/3/130ee895-1e5e-4f82-bb66-e1275bac75dd.jpg?1631045641) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doomskar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/9/doomskar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/130ee895-1e5e-4f82-bb66-e1275bac75dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Practical Research](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/4/74edd3e3-b2de-4ba0-a508-0418b0151d87.jpg?1627429890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Practical%20Research) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/212/practical-research?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/74edd3e3-b2de-4ba0-a508-0418b0151d87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mordenkainen](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/f/2fa5e4c7-12fa-4ec4-bd4b-752e367306c7.jpg?1627703483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mordenkainen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/64/mordenkainen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2fa5e4c7-12fa-4ec4-bd4b-752e367306c7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Spoils of Adventure](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/b/9b3b1ef0-a653-4adb-8112-82d4822446b4.jpg?1604200493) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spoils%20of%20Adventure) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/237/spoils-of-adventure?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9b3b1ef0-a653-4adb-8112-82d4822446b4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Wizard's Spellbook](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/6/b6ed0a4c-0234-4341-8dcb-5eea6a9632e7.jpg?1627704085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wizard%27s%20Spellbook) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/82/wizards-spellbook?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b6ed0a4c-0234-4341-8dcb-5eea6a9632e7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ondu Inversion](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/b/6/b6e6be8c-41c3-4348-a8dd-b40ceb24e9b4.jpg?1604243286)/[Ondu Inversion](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/6/b6e6be8c-41c3-4348-a8dd-b40ceb24e9b4.jpg?1604243286) - 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[(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Frostboil%20Snarl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/265/frostboil-snarl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c22ba565-da08-4957-93bb-8d266fe0b0d8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Riverglide Pathway](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/2/6/2668ac91-6cda-4f81-a08d-4fc5f9cb35b2.jpg?1604867502)/[Riverglide Pathway](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/6/2668ac91-6cda-4f81-a08d-4fc5f9cb35b2.jpg?1604867502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=riverglide%20pathway%20//%20lavaglide%20pathway) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/264/riverglide-pathway-lavaglide-pathway?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2668ac91-6cda-4f81-a08d-4fc5f9cb35b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Furycalm Snarl](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/3/53e33f37-7fd1-4431-a032-cd61b644401c.jpg?1624740900) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Furycalm%20Snarl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/266/furycalm-snarl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/53e33f37-7fd1-4431-a032-cd61b644401c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Needleverge Pathway](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/6/5/6559047e-6ede-4815-a3a0-389062094f9d.jpg?1604264370)/[Needleverge Pathway](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/5/6559047e-6ede-4815-a3a0-389062094f9d.jpg?1604264370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=needleverge%20pathway%20//%20pillarverge%20pathway) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/263/needleverge-pathway-pillarverge-pathway?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6559047e-6ede-4815-a3a0-389062094f9d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Field of Ruin](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/e/3e84e179-9d59-4d08-8a36-51ad2fc32ae3.jpg?1581481243) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Field%20of%20Ruin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/242/field-of-ruin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3e84e179-9d59-4d08-8a36-51ad2fc32ae3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[Faithful Mending](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/0/50752ca9-ea85-4c4b-9bf5-4f8759a7dcec.jpg?1630723674) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Faithful%20Mending) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/221/faithful-mending?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50752ca9-ea85-4c4b-9bf5-4f8759a7dcec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Absolutely, hang on a sec.


Not to mention REM, and the four mana moonveil dragon that has is a card draw machine.


Image transcription A double faced card First face: > Smoldering Egg 1R > > Creature- Dragon Egg [r] > > Defender > > Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a number of ember counters on Smoldering Egg equal to the amount of mana spent to cast that spell. Then if smoldering egg has seven or more ember counters on it, remove them and transform Smoldering Egg. > > 0/4 Second face: > Ashmouth Dragon > > [r] Creature- Dragon [r] > > Flying > > Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, Ashmouth Dragon deals 2 damage to any target. > > 4/4 > > *A dragon is born. A province burns.* End transcription


I'm not like this usually. But I read Assmouth Dragon at first.


Literally the same.


Yeah I’ve already decided that’s what this card is called now.


same. ass to mouth dragon always and forever.


I have the same problem when I read “Asscloud Phoenix”


"I'm not like this usually" Press X to doubt.


You get an honorary bonk


Thing in the Fire






Weird that this dragon looks like a regular mtg dragon and not like an Innistrad dragon.


Implication could be that this came from off plane. Or that the artist didn't get the memo.


You are right. Usually the dragons look a lot thinner and with sharper features. Could be an unusual angle. Could also be slush art being used, but you would think for a dragon they wouldn’t do that in such a popular setting.


It could be that there are different types of dragons here but it does seem really strange and off to me too. But honestly this would have been a good candidate for a Demon Dragon since it's a dragon from the Ashmouth.


Ty for saying this, it's the first thing I came looking for in the comments. Between this, the uncommon dragon, and the phoenix(!), I feel like they kinda missed the mark on flavour. None of them feel very Innistrad at all, and more like they're just jamming in some popular creatures for the sake of them being popular.


Agreed, but the fire breath does look really cool


Hit it with enough apples to knock it into the lava


Took me a second to realize the Snap ref, good on ya


This + Delver plus 35 instants/sorceries?


Neat card. Sort of like electrostatic field, as a defensive card in the early game that will rack up damage over time. I think this card is actually quite good in rakdos blood money style decks, simply because of all the learn-board cards.


standard thing in the ice? another toy for blue moon in modern? looks great


I was really bummed out about the bulk of my Izzet Prowess deck rotating out, I am happy that WotC did not forget about me and gave me some new cards to use. This set is my favorite set since Ikoria.


Agreed. Ikoria was fantastic.


Smash mouth dragon


Some BODY *flips card* ONCE TOLD ME


Seems pretty good ?


This feels really nice for URx control and tempo decks, much like [[Thing in the Ice]] from SoI. An early blocker that turns into a brutal finisher. Shame it dies to [[Bloodchief's Thirst]].


[Thing in the Ice](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/5/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91.jpg?1576384282)/[Awoken Horror](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/3/5/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91.jpg?1576384282) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thing%20in%20the%20ice%20//%20awoken%20horror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/92/thing-in-the-ice-awoken-horror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bloodchief's Thirst](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/5/059e8447-6b1c-4651-a734-a8fea2cbf7b2.jpg?1604195360) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bloodchief%27s%20Thirst) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/94/bloodchiefs-thirst?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/059e8447-6b1c-4651-a734-a8fea2cbf7b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


0/4 is really good base stats for this. Can’t wait to flip this from Forecast Spells.


Anyone else not see how this fits on Innistrad?


It's a homage to a previous Innistrad card.


Which one?


Thing in the Ice


Thing in the ice is thematically tied to Innistrad and has a clear Horror feeling. This is just a generic dragon that seems more like it'd fit in the last set, if you're not talking about mechanics


Another fine Egg steed for [[Kargan Dragonrider]]


[Kargan Dragonrider](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/4/34750304-c536-47d4-922d-a3654c37ffbc.jpg?1562301294) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kargan%20Dragonrider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/297/kargan-dragonrider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34750304-c536-47d4-922d-a3654c37ffbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Guttersnipe dragon is literally my two favourite things combined. Holy fuck I love it.


"You never go ash to mouth!"


Damnit. You beat me to it.


Holy shit this seems powerful.... that two damage to any target affect is game ending on the transform side. I really hope this is playable. Tribal dragon spells deck feels awesome.


Dragon in the Egg DITE


Decearing egg!


I Dub thee, fried egg.


For Pioneer could this be played along [[Thing in the Ice]] or would something like [[Young Pyromancer]] be better? If it didn't care about the mana spent to cast a spell and just the mana involved in the spell this and delve would be pretty fun.


[Thing in the Ice](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/5/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91.jpg?1576384282)/[Awoken Horror](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/3/5/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91.jpg?1576384282) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thing%20in%20the%20ice%20//%20awoken%20horror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/92/thing-in-the-ice-awoken-horror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Young Pyromancer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/1/218af707-cc60-407e-af20-e21879a0e902.jpg?1601078849) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Young%20Pyromancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/372/young-pyromancer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/218af707-cc60-407e-af20-e21879a0e902?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Is it just me or is this super good? Maybe I'm underestimating how long it'll take to transform, but this seems super solid. Pinging anything for 2 whenever you cast an instant or sorcery on a 4/4 flying body is dope and it's not totally useless before it transforms either


LOL...those crazy mofo's did it again. How stupid is this in a Krark/Sakashima flip deck?


Thing in the Egg


Good for the UR Dragons deck in Standard? Blocks early, flips with a hardcast Alrund or a couple of removal/counterpells?


I kinda want to build a control deck around this. Seems dope!


Interestingly enough the new egg doesn’t synergize at all with [[Atla Palani]]


Would have been nice to get another egg for her. Need more eggs for Egg Mom.


Exactly! I mean if you're printing an egg in one of her colors at least make it somewhat playable for her! Still using mirror entity over here


Would certainly be nice to get a few more decent eggs, but I love me some mirror entity regardless.


[Atla Palani](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/6/f6aa473b-85cd-431d-844b-218368fe955e.jpg?1568003640) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=atla%20palani%2C%20nest%20tender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/38/atla-palani-nest-tender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6aa473b-85cd-431d-844b-218368fe955e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


So it's *possible* to flip on turn 3 outside of Legacy/Vintage (much easier with Mox's and Lotuses, obviously), but pretty unlikely. - Being on the draw, you play land and a mana dork. - Turn two you play land, egg, another mana dork. - Turn three you play another dork, and then either [[Birgi]] (or something like her) and two 1 mana spells, or something like 2 [[Burning Heart Emissary]]s and another 2 drop. It would take 10 cards lining up perfectly, but it's possible.


[Birgi](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/4/4/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821.jpg?1631048969)/[Birgi, God of Storytelling](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/4/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821.jpg?1631048969) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=birgi%2C%20god%20of%20storytelling%20//%20harnfel%2C%20horn%20of%20bounty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/123/birgi-god-of-storytelling-harnfel-horn-of-bounty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Burning Heart Emissary](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/2/22e3e874-a0ec-4459-b78d-abef6b9232b9.jpg?1602499798) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Burning-Tree%20Emissary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dds/55/burning-tree-emissary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22e3e874-a0ec-4459-b78d-abef6b9232b9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


T1: mountain, Faithless Looting discarding 2 Blazing Rootwalla, madness them in. T2: forest, Song of Freyalise, tap rootwallas for Burning-Tree Emissary> 2nd Emissary, Egg T3: land, (4 creatures other than egg in play tapping for mana), 7 mana worth of spells, flip and T4 gets the big Song payoff So yeah, doable in historic. And still crazy but *slightly* less than perfection needed since you'll have 12 cards counting the looting, or 13 cards counting looting flashback for 3 of the 7 to flip. If you got a 2nd looting that'd cover the other 4. Too bad it says "mana spent" and not "mana value" for things like Fiery Temper.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but your method runs out of gas on T3. The land is your last card in hand and even casting FL again, you can't cast the cards you draw, so you're stuck at 3 counters out of 7.


T1: on the play. 7 cards including land, looting, rootwalla x2. At the end of T1 you've drawn 2 more from looting and have 3 in play. 5 cards in hand end of T1, 3 in play, 1 in gy. (9 total including 2 drawn from looting, 2 discarded are the rootwallas) T2: 6 cards in hand after draw: including Song, 2x emissary, egg, land and 1 other. 5 put into play that turn, 1 card left in hand. T3: 2 in hand, including 1 land, flashback looting go to 3 cards then 1, picking a 4-mana out of those +1 card if you're on the draw


Ah, right. I was counting the Rootwallas as cast out of hand. My bad!


Yeah, figured that, no problem. Also, Strike It Rich would help this out, and none of these are particularly bad on their own.


True. This is seeming like less of a pipe dream, even on Arena XD


thing in the guttersnipe


How is this an 0/4? 4 toughness and defender. It can't even move. You can run an elephant (3/3) against this thing and the elephant is like, Welp, can't do anything about that and then returns to your side of the board? Like, walk around it.


Say the same about literally any Wall.


Well, it was a joke, but I'll respond anyway. A wall assumes some sort of length yeah? More than an egg? You tell [[Thalia, Heretic Cathar]] to attack and she's like "sorry boss, there's a fuckin egg"


[Thalia, Heretic Cathar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/b/ab0cee38-5e24-49d0-870c-22843ed4e101.jpg?1576384009) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%2C%20Heretic%20Cathar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/46/thalia-heretic-cathar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab0cee38-5e24-49d0-870c-22843ed4e101?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Aggressive Thing in the egg


Yes, I cast [[Mascot Exhibition]] thank you.


[Mascot Exhibition](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/0/2047592c-739c-41dd-b3e8-31ae1c7688ab.jpg?1624589146) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mascot%20Exhibition) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/5/mascot-exhibition?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2047592c-739c-41dd-b3e8-31ae1c7688ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Ooooooooh that is spicy.... also alrunds epiphany for the full 7 😬


Alright gents how do we break this


Presumably by casting spells


So it's *possible* to flip on turn 3 outside of Legacy/Vintage (much easier with Mox's and Lotuses, obviously), but pretty unlikely. - Being on the draw, you play land and a mana dork. - Turn two you play land, egg, another mana dork. - Turn three you play another dork, and then either [[Birgi]] (or something like her) and two 1 mana spells, or something like 2 [[Burning Heart Emissary]]s and another 2 drop. It would take 10 cards lining up perfectly, but it's possible.


[Birgi](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/4/4/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821.jpg?1631048969)/[Birgi, God of Storytelling](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/4/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821.jpg?1631048969) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=birgi%2C%20god%20of%20storytelling%20//%20harnfel%2C%20horn%20of%20bounty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/123/birgi-god-of-storytelling-harnfel-horn-of-bounty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Burning Heart Emissary](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/2/22e3e874-a0ec-4459-b78d-abef6b9232b9.jpg?1602499798) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Burning-Tree%20Emissary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dds/55/burning-tree-emissary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22e3e874-a0ec-4459-b78d-abef6b9232b9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Doable in modern prowess. This turn 2 then turn 3 2x[[manamorphose]] and 3 mana worth of other spells.


[manamorphose](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/a/faf9070e-14be-4ce5-a19a-6addc79359c1.jpg?1599708170) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=manamorphose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/208/manamorphose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/faf9070e-14be-4ce5-a19a-6addc79359c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Yeah, manamorphose would be a good 5th-8th Emissary, and vice versa. I also found [[Open the Omenpaths]] (wasn't playing through Kaldheim) which would make it more doable even in Historic.


[Open the Omenpaths](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/e/4e4023c8-8e7f-42b9-99e5-87e80fc3d6c8.jpg?1631049480) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Open%20the%20Omenpaths) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/143/open-the-omenpaths?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e4023c8-8e7f-42b9-99e5-87e80fc3d6c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Wait a second, does Historic have a viable Thing in the Ice, now?


Does feather EDH like this?


It depends on if you can reliably hit 7 on this. You're probably taking at least a turn to be able to use it flipped, but after it flips this card is insane, I'd argue better than guttersnipe, because while guttersnipe is a better wincon, this just kills anything and everything.


Looking at a possibility now for a jund shell with this + Chain of Smog/Witherbloom Apprentice in legacy.


Modern 1/10 Poor man's thing in the ice. This can just be killed without ever really having an effect on the board. That is a lot of time to invest in something like this that is easily killed with a fatal push.


Source: https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/mtg-spoilers-magic-midnight-hunt-innistrad/


It doesn't work with delve right?


No. its equal to mana spent, not the mana value


Idk what formats fireblast is legal in but it’s the first thing I thought of here


Fireblast for its alternate cost adds zero counters, though.


Oh I see it’s amount of mana spent not converted mana cost. Sad


yeah, I'm gonna play this


Man, they keep printing all these cool spells matters dragons. I'll have to make a Commander deck with them as I can't really use them in my tribal deck.


Could the mana cost of fireblast work?


If you hard cast it, yes. This cares about _mana spent._


how does this work with [[Rift Bolt]]? thanks in advance


You add 0 counters because you cast it *without paying its mana cost*. Assuming you were talking about the suspend.


[Rift Bolt](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/3/a3459a44-0c26-4ee1-ad7f-67be7cd7d80a.jpg?1619397474) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rift%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/184/rift-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3459a44-0c26-4ee1-ad7f-67be7cd7d80a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


As a diehard dragon fan who is also a diehard horror fan and has Innistrad as my first plane back in the first set, this card may be one of my favorite cards in this set. It is going in SO many of my edh decks.


Dodges bolt maybe we can get an against the odds for modern with this bad boy.


Could curve into this with a 3 and 4 drop so it works quite cleanly


How does this work with convoke? Do the tapped creatures count as spent mana? Could you make this work with stoke the flames to cheat on mana then?


Are they trying to make standard burn a thing?


Decent butt blocker that is instantly flipped with alrund's epiphany. I like it.


Thing in the Lava


This is easily my favourite card in the set. I love spellslinging, little challenges like this and Arclight Phoenix, and shocking stuff dead. Seven counters feels like a lot, so I'm not going to make any judgments on the power level, but this card is awesome.


I don’t know if the name… How donI not call this Ash to Mouth Dragon.


I don't know where I heard this, but you're never supposed to go ash to mouth.


good but not all. dangerous af to say shocking


Very cool interaction with finale of promise, as you can easily T4 for x=2 flip it and get two triggers immediately. Def gonna try in historic!


Oh nice. This one goes ash to mouth.


Woulda thought the body would be slightly bigger but i suppose it can flip relqtively fast


This looks really busted if you can flip it.


This'll go right into my Izzet Dragons deck for sure.


ash to mouth dragon


U think its a good card for limited?


The power creep is back guys


I like this rebalance. It's less efficient in a lot of ways compared to [[Thing in the Ice]] but it is in mana ritual colors and can technically flip with less spells.


[Thing in the Ice](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/5/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91.jpg?1576384282)/[Awoken Horror](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/3/5/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91.jpg?1576384282) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thing%20in%20the%20ice%20//%20awoken%20horror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/92/thing-in-the-ice-awoken-horror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/359d1b13-6156-43b0-a9a7-6bfff36c1a91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


since when dragons are a "old horror movie" trope?


Card good


A callback to Thing In The Ice?


Now this is what I’m about in modern, I’m definitely jamming him with young pz n czpz


I just keep reading Assmouth Dragon


How tf does a big egg block something lol


Atla Palani likes this


You never go Ashmouth.


Since it has a day/night frame, is it affected by day/night?


That frame is on most transforming cards. The exceptions are the Origins planeswalkers (and M19 Bolas), the Ixalan DFCs and the eldrazi-related DFCs.


I like it i like it alot


Jeez, someone *really* wants Izzet Dragons to stick around. Feels like Sarkhan's hanging out in R&D and nobody's brave enough to ask him to leave